Shownotes

Lesley Logan calls out the performance review bias that measures women by their “likability” instead of their impact—and why that needs to end. This week’s episode is a fiery reminder that your work deserves recognition, not personality notes. Lesley unpacks how bias shows up in feedback, how leaders can fix it, and why celebrating your wins out loud is a powerful self-advocacy.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Data showing high-performing women get more personality critiques than men.
• Why unconscious bias impacts women’s growth and confidence in their roles.
• How leaders can create fair and constructive performance review systems.
• Why sharing your personal wins helps shift culture and visibility.
• How Lesley reframed “bragging” as a radical act of self-respect.

Episode References/Links:

• Submit your wins or questions – https://beitpod.com/questions
• The Female Quotient® – https://www.instagram.com/p/DGvdCr2NVoL

Transcript

Lesley Logan: It’s Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell: Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan: Get ready for some wins.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan 0:44
Hi, Be It babe. How are you? We’re almost there. We’re almost to the holiday and then the chaos, and I’m gonna go on winter tour. We’re almost there. We’re not there yet. We got an extra week before that one holiday comes up, and I think that’s great. And if you don’t live in the States then you are just doing great.

Lesley Logan 1:07
All right, it’s the FYF episode. So this is where it’s short, sweet. Get you thinking about ways you could be it till you see it. I get to riff on some things. We get to know each other better. Send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. Send in a question as well, we answer those on the recap. Those happen on Thursdays. Interviews happen on Tuesdays. I’m fucking loving the interviews that are coming up, and we have a really great one coming up that’s gonna lead into our habit series. So hope you’re subscribed to the channel so you never miss an episode from us.

Lesley Logan 1:29
Okay, this was an interesting thing. I don’t know if it inspired me or pissed me off, so we’re gonna remind ourselves together. So it says around 76% of high performing women reported, reportedly received negative feedback from their managers, compared to just 2% of high performing men. Oh yeah, this one pissed me off. This comes from data collected from 23,000 employees across 250 organizations, by the way, so not a small, not a small thing. Why is this happening? Unconscious bias leads managers, male or female, to typically evaluate women during performance reviews on their personality rather than the work they contribute. Are they easy to work with? Do they get along with everyone? Are they likable or collaborative? Doesn’t it, I just want to, I just want to be fucking pissed. I’m pissed off, right? So like no one’s asking if a guy is likable, which, by the way, like often they smell, or things like that, like no one’s asking. They’re valued on the work that they do, but it’s always been this way, and we have to figure out how to change this. I think it comes from like, raising girls to be quiet, stop doing that. We need to raise them to brag, you know, and like, we need to raise like we need to raise them not to be like, oh, you know, make sure, no, tell people how you feel. You know, it’s important. So I think this is an interesting thing. I don’t know how we solve this problem, but if you are a leader who gives reviews, maybe make sure that, if you’re telling women that their person, like their personality, has some issues, make sure you do with men too, or don’t do with either of them, right? These areas of feedback don’t necessarily touch on women’s performance, which hurts both the employee and the employer. That’s right. The employee, remember, is a high performer, she’s going to be looking for concrete ways to grow and progress in her career. If she’s receiving feedback on how nice she is. Well, she might not, she might start looking for work elsewhere. Managers, keep it constructive and hold on to top talent. This is so true. If you’ve got these high achieving women working for you, but you’re busy working on things that they need to change about themselves. They’re going to go somewhere else who wants them, right? And you’re also not helping them better themselves for the work that they’re doing for you. So I love it. I agree. We need to consider how we are, the expectations on women, because they are doing so much. I’m not I’m not trying to shit on the men, because, like, there are some really great men out there, but I do think that we are missing out on some good stuff, and we’re not treating people in a way that allows everybody to win. And there is a way, like, there’s no pie, right? So if, if you’re going to do performance reviews around likeability. You got to do it for everybody. If you’re just going to do it on performance, you got to do it for everybody like you can’t have that bias, and if you do have that bias, it’s probably a good time to get that checked out. And maybe you need to change your review process. And if it’s happening to you, at your review process, get inspired by these other ladies and find work somewhere else where you can be challenged because you’re fucking amazing, right? And start celebrating your wins in front of them, right? That might help them. I think sometimes it’s really easy to go, oh, you know, like to downplay the things that you did.

Lesley Logan 4:33
So okay, let’s start bragging about you guys. We have Charlotte Coker. She said, I finally launched my website after several months of working on it. Little by little, I’m very proud of myself for doing something so outside my comfort zone, my home studio, feels like it’s really rocking and rolling. Yay, yay, Charlotte. It is really rocking and rolling. You are doing a lot, I know, like it’s really easy to go, Oh my gosh, I expect to be done by now. But like, little by little. I mean, the thing is, is you actually, nothing happens overnight, like websites, especially, they take time. So I’m super proud of you. I think you’re doing great work, and I am so excited that you are kicking off your home studio before it is even ready. That is being it till you see it full and on. And so way to go. Thank you for sharing that with us. You guys need to share your wins at beitpod.com/questions.

Lesley Logan 5:23
Okay, my win. Okay. I think if you’ve been listening to podcast for a long time, you know, I’ve been on a hobby hunt. I think I have found my hobby, and it’s not getting my nails done. I am so excited. We had guests come on to talk about tarot, and I was so obsessed with her, and she sent me a deck, and I’m not really sure if her episodes out yet or not, so we’ll save more information on that later. But ever since then, then I, like, found this book that helps me study tarot, and I can do it with writing. But then I found another book that’s a little bit different, the same they all have, they all say the same things, but in a different way, which helps me, like, repeat what I’m learning. And then I found an app. It’s like the Duolingo. They call the Duolingo for tarot, and I’m gonna reach out and see if they want to do ads, because I’m kind of obsessed with it. Every single day I I do this, and it’s not easy, right? Like, it’s definitely something I feel like I’m gonna have a better grasp on the more I practice out loud. This is kind of the ones I like, I have to, like, read out loud and do it out loud. But at any rate, I’m super excited because I was a I was a little like, should I call it a hobby? I’ve only been, like, playing it, but now we’re like, four months, and I do it daily, and I really love it, and it is a great way for me as a person who’s like, I want a journal. I want to have some more self-reflection time. It helps me helps have some self-reflection. So I can’t wait for you to hear the episode, because you’re gonna hear someone who’s never delved into tarot, like interview this person, and now you’ll know I’m, like, a hobbyist right now, and (inaudible) to do readings for people, just maybe for myself. But I am just like feeling really excited that I think I have a hobby that I like, want to stick with, and I have been trying to find a hobby for years, and I’m feeling joy around it, and that’s my win. Okay, what’s yours? Send it into the Be It Pod.

Lesley Logan 7:09
Here is your affirmation for the weekend. I deserve information and I deserve moments of silence, too. I deserve information and I deserve moments of silence, too. I deserve information and I deserve moments of silence, too. You guys, as an introvert who likes people, I love my moments of silence as much as I love seeing you and getting your information. So that affirmation really feels like it’s very representative. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.

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Lesley Logan
That’s all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

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Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
It’s written, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell
Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.