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Ep. 114 with Lesley & Brad

“You only need to be one step ahead.”

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Show Notes

Where are our basketball players out there? Maybe not just basketball, but any of my sport fans that know the lessons learned on the court or field. Recapping an amazing episode with WNBA player, Amy Denson, LL and Brad discuss the lessons of determination, acknowledging what your body is telling you, and being brave enough to begin without being the expert.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Cambodia Retreat doors are open!
  • A WNBA player’s journey to her next step
  • A hiring tip for employers
  • Optimal health shouldn’t be a dream
  • Your body is communicating to you
  • What it means to identify and get over fear

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Lesley Logan 0:01
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.


Lesley Logan 0:46
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the empathetic convo I had with Amy Denson in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened to that episode, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one. You will definitely laugh, we definitely talked about a colon sitting on a couch watching Netflix.

Brad Crowell 1:03
Pretty sure poop came into the conversation like three times. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 1:06
Everybody poops. (Lesley and Brad laughs) Well, anyways, this is a really important topic for me. And I think more and more people should talk about it. (Brad: Not the topic of poop.) No, but digestion. (Brad: Oh) Thanks for being more specific. (Brad: clarifying) Thanks for, that’s why you’re here. (Brad: Got you covered.) So, but I do think if especially for women, the more we talk about different things going on our health, the the more easily accessible results and support are for that. So, so I think when we keep it to ourselves, we end up suffering in silence for a really long time. And you don’t realize that people around you suffer from the same thing or something similar and can have connections and support for you. So anyways, go back and listen to that one. And then come back here and join us and listen to, how we want to talk about it. (Brad: Yeah) (Brad and Lesley laughs) So because that’s what this …

Brad Crowell 1:58
So, it really matters. (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah, you know.

Lesley Logan 2:00
… hear our opinion of our own podcast. (Brad: That’s so funny.) Anyway, so we announced this last week if you are on the waitlist, and or on our email list at all, and that is that the Cambodia Retreat is up for sign up.

Brad Crowell 2:17
Yes, it is. I am really, really fired up. We only have 20 spots and …

Lesley Logan 2:23
Well at the time we open it up, at the time you’re listening to this, we could have no spots. (Brad: Oh, yeah that’s true.) … you could have 5 spots.

Brad Crowell 2:28
It could be sold out. I don’t think so. (Lesley: Yeah.) But but just hit us up, go to lesleylogan.co/retreat. And, you know, you’ll you’ll be able to check the whole thing out. I know you all heard us talk about Cambodia 100 times. So …

Lesley Logan 2:43
But maybe this is your first episode and welcome.

Brad Crowell 2:45
Oh, okay, then really, really briefly. We have been going to Cambodia for many years, taking groups there for many years, we actually have our own place there. And if you were listening earlier this year, I just spent a month in Cambodia with Lesley’s Dad. Basically, had been two years since we’ve been there because of COVID. And I got together with our team there. And we did some major construction stuff, which was super, super amazing. And now the place looks even cooler. And I can’t wait to come back with you as a guest (Lesley: Yeah) to join us. We’re going to take you through the Temples of Angkor, we’re going to take you through some workouts, some meditation, some breathwork, you’re going to eat some cuisine, is going to be an incredible experience. (Lesley: Yeah) Trust me if you’ve ever wanted to go to the jungles and see the Temples of Angkor and if that was on your bucket list, you need to join us.

Lesley Logan 3:40
Come with us. Come with us. So get all the details at lesleylogan.co/retreat. Oh my God, I can’t I cannot even wait. We we are literally going to be leaving a conference early here in Vegas so that I can go early because I’m super jealous that Brad got to be there for as long as he did. And I just want to see all of our friends and and also like there’s just some things that you can like massage and …

Brad Crowell 4:03
And meet the girl that we’re sponsoring.

Lesley Logan 4:05
I know. Well, I’ve met her. But I also …

Brad Crowell 4:07
Oh, you have met her in person. Twice, three times. (Lesley: Yeah. So …) But like get to know her.

Lesley Logan 4:13
I make it to know her more, which is really fun. Because we’ll we’ll get to that in. But also, there’s some things that we do with retreaters that I will partake in the week before as well which is daily massages. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) And they wash your hair like, like better than like the head massaging that happens when you get your hair washed there is just phenomenal.

Brad Crowell 4:35
Pretty amazing.

Lesley Logan 4:35
So I really, I can’t wait. And then …

Brad Crowell 4:39
I can vouch for that because I’ve also taken, a partaken.

Lesley Logan 4:42
And then the coffee and then the coffee. (Brad: Yeah) Our friends at the Little Red Fox. I’m so excited to see them. So anyways,

Brad Crowell 4:49
It’s like that one time I showed up on on Saturday morning to get some coffee. And you were hanging with everybody, (Lesley: Oh yeah, you caught me.) drinking. (Lesley laughs) (Lesley: Well …) Drinking a Gimlet. (Brad laughs) (Lesley: It was, it was …) I was like, “What coffee is this?”

Lesley Logan 5:05
It was like Gamlet with coffee. Anyways, he was supposed to be doing other things. And I was entertaining retreaters, who arrived way early. So it was part of, it was part of the concierge service that I was providing.

Brad Crowell 5:20
Well, all right, so this week, we had a great question. The technical, technical question. (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) And the question is, “What microphone do you use when you’re filming your OPC classes?”

Lesley Logan 5:37
Yeah, I get this question a lot. And I’ll just tell you, neither Brad, or I actually remember the exact name of the microphone, but we are so freakin organized and amazing. (Brad: Oh you know what?) No, no, where’s so, we’ll think we’re so organized and amazing. We have it in a PDF for you.

Brad Crowell 5:52
Okay. We’ll just came through my head. I’m not gonna say it now.

Lesley Logan 5:55
Yeah, no, not just and not and so it’s better than this because the mic we use is great for me, but it might not be great for you and what you’re doing and so in this PDF guide that we made, because we get this question so much including our lighting, including, like there’s like I don’t know a bunch of other things in there. If you go to profitablepilates.com/livestream, so profitablepilates.com/livestream it has all of our tips on filming and recording for videos. And it also has the connection to our our audio guy who got us that mic and that is not the first mic that I’ve used as the third or fourth like that I’ve used. I kind of go through mics because well unfortunately, mics are built to be perfectly great if you are dancing around or sitting still but not if you’re rolling around on the wire which I do like 15 hours at least a month and (Brad: Yeah) then times by 12 so I pretty much wear them out but um but they’re great quality and the audio is amazing so profitablepilates.com/livestream will get you the answer to that question and all your recording questions that you’ve ever had for me on that. So …

Brad Crowell 7:04
Yeah, that we cover all this stuff. Like basically it’s a snapshot of all of the equipment that we (Lesley: Yeah) use all around her when she’s working out.

Lesley Logan 7:13
Yeah, it’s super, super thorough. So thanks for the question. You can send your questions and honestly, they can be anything. Like literally you can ask anything, personal, business, Pilates, just tag a, DM the @be_it_pod or ask it in a comment for the next podcast so we can get to it. And we’ll answer your question here. Okay, I think it’s time that we talked about Amy.

Brad Crowell 7:35
Yeah, like hello.

Lesley Logan 7:36
Hello! She is waiting to hear we have to say about her.

Brad Crowell 7:40
Let’s talk about Amy Denson.

Lesley Logan 7:42
Can you image if every single guest is just like, “Are these people ever gonna talk about me?” (Brad: Yeah) (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell 7:47
Amy Denson is a professional basketball player who went from battling professional fatigue and to autoimmune diseases to now being certified as a Nutritional Therapy Practitioner, specializing in thyroid health. Amy Denson is on a mission to help other women not feel alone and is and to instill empathy into the medical care system. (Lesley: Yeah) And that is quite a, quite a mission. It was really inspiring to first off, how cool that she played for eight years (Lesley: Oh, my God.) internationally. You know professional basketball player.

Lesley Logan 8:26
Okay. I’m just gonna say, as we hit unrecorded, hit the non record button. I asked her all of the WNBA questions I have. (Lesley laughs) I was like, “Okay, let’s talk about, what about this?” Because, you know, the episode was not about the WNBA. But I was like I have someone who’s an insider, I need my questions answered. (Brad and Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell 8:47
It was a lot of fun to listen to her talk about that. And Poland and I think she said Spain, now I’m drawing a blank. But she she basically got a chance to bop around doing basketball. And then I thought, “What the hell when she came back home and nobody would hire her?” (Lesley: I know.) That blows my mind. Like …

Lesley Logan 9:10
Can you imagine if we had, watch now someone is gonna apply, but like if somebody told me professional athlete who has been a leader on teams, whose done all the stuff and they want to be on like my team and be like, (Brad: Sign her up.) Yeah, you can you know what, I’m not doing really good job. You can be the team…

Brad Crowell 9:26
Well, I find it so unimaginative (Lesley: Yeah) for people to look at a resume of someone saying, “I’ve been a professional basketball player” and be like, “You’re not qualified.” You know, like, and I know that there’s contexts of course, but like the amount of tenacity determination, like, like you have to, you are the ultimate fighting machine to be able to make it to a level like that.

Lesley Logan 9:35
Well and also clearly dedicated because (Brad: Yeah) you have to, like you have to show up every day and do the workouts whether or not there’s a game. Like it just this happened to me when I was, when I was in corporate and I and I ran stores like I would see something a skill set someone had from something else and they go, “Oh, but they’ve never actually sold before.” I’m like, “Ah, this right here tells me that they’ve been selling themselves (Brad: the whole time) the whole time.” (Brad: Yeah) Like people if you are bosses, hire for the personality, you can train the skill, hire for attitude, (Brad: Yeah) you can train the skill …

Brad Crowell 10:24
Well, and I’m not I’m not to diminish the the achievements of a professional basketball player. But when comparably in a in a small way, running a retail store like you did and then transitioning into fitness. (Lesley: Yeah) You were using all the skills you learned in retail to sell your fitness like slots. (Lesley: Yeah) “Okay, I’ve got open room for a private session. Who wants it?” Right. And so like those se… like that, that’s where I feel like it’s unimaginative. (Lesley: Right) Like look at like, everything they had to go through to get to where they did, you don’t think that they can apply any of that stuff to like, I don’t know anything else, like insane to me.

Lesley Logan 11:07
It is, yeah. It’s Amy’s like …

Brad Crowell 11:11
She’s like preaching to the choir, bro. (Lesley: Yeah) Preaching to the choir.

Lesley Logan 11:13
We are, we are. But, but if you are listening to this, and you are all in the power of hiring anybody for anything, can I just give you a little? You did not ask for this advice, and I’m giving it to you anyway. (Brad laughs) And we charge a lot for this shit. But the reality like, you have to hire for the attitude you want on your team. Not that they’re like typing some extra words a minute, and they’ve done the job. You’re hiring them for 1000 times. In fact, I often think those are the worst people because they’re like, “This is how I always do it. This is how it’s always done.” (Brad: Yeah) Like, (Brad: Yeah) anyways, okay, well, I’m so glad she like went through this journey, because she wouldn’t be who she is today if that didn’t happen to her. So one thing that I loved, let’s just get to like her actual words. Should we talked a little bit about she brought up like start teaching sharing before you become an expert. And I, you know, I think this is really I mean, like, hello, it’s be it till you see it. But it’s, I think a lot of people get they, there, they can, first of all, you’re comparing yourself to like the experts you follow. And the experts you follow are often probably someone you’ve heard on Oprah. (Brad: Yeah) Or like, some are Good Morning America, or whatever your Today show version is in your country. And so you’re like, well, they’ve been doing this for 30 years, and I just did this one training. So I’m just gonna sit here and be quiet about it. And it’s like, the people that are around you that you could be helping. They don’t even often. I met people who don’t know who Tony Robbins is.

Brad Crowell 12:34
I was literally just thinking about him. He’s kind of the pinnacle example of this, like, try to compare your, you know, baby career to somebody like Tony Robbins is is like overwhelming.

Lesley Logan 12:45
Yeah. But you know, a lot of people don’t know who he is, and or a second, they couldn’t afford to hire him. (Brad: No) Or maybe they don’t feel deserving of it, whatever. (Brad: Sure) He’s not to knock you and say that, like they deserve a lower level, but like to say, a lot of people would prefer …

Brad Crowell 12:59
Oh, it is a mindset thing.

Lesley Logan 13:01
Yeah. And they would prefer to hire or work with someone who is someone that they can relate to, someone that feels attainable, (Brad: Sure) and you’re they can’t even hire you or work with you. Because you’re busy went, “Oh, I don’t have 30 years.” How do you think you’re gonna get 30 years? You think? Where do you think that 30 years comes from? So I just I really love this and you can hear our conversation about like, we talk about comparison, things like that.

Brad Crowell 13:24
Well, I I really, I thought it was really helpful when you were talking about having received advice from someone who’s done a thousand podcast episodes. Right? We’re at we’re at a little over 100 here. And you you were like, Yeah, I got this advice for someone who has thousand and it was like, that’s insane, a thousand episodes, that’s if that’s even only one per day. That’s still two and a half years of doing one a day or yeah, (Lesley: Yeah) almost three years… (Lesley: And that’s no breaks.) Yeah. And, and and that that is like a mountain to climb. Right.

Lesley Logan 14:00
I think that’s like more than three years. That like 300 or something days in a year, it might be closer to three years.

Brad Crowell 14:04
Yeah, it’s three years. Okay. So but basically, that’s like a mountain to climb. Right? That seems like, insurmountable. And, and then you said, which the advice is probably still perfectly sound and really helpful and obviously inspiring, but it comes to someone where you’re like, “Whoa, when, am I ever gonna make it to that point?” As opposed to you said, “I just got off the call with someone who has about 300 episodes.” And somehow probably similar advice. That seemed a lot more attainable. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah.) That’s when you two started to talk about, you only need to be one step ahead of the people that you’re teaching, training, coaching, you know, (Lesley: Yeah) really.

Lesley Logan 14:45
Well and you want to know something? I just told this story to someone the other day, I don’t know who I was talking to. But I was sharing that my first clients, I was already teaching Mat Pilates for over a year and then and then this teacher at the studio, she I just started my teacher training on the, the equipment. And so I was like two months in, and she was like, “Hey, I can’t teach these people anymore. Can you teach them?” And I like asked the studio owner, if that’d be okay. She’s like, “You’re, they’re beginners, you’re just gonna teach them what you just learned.” (Brad: Right) And I’m (Brad: the foundation) I have been doing they’re beginners, they’ve been doing Pilates for years, like, trust me, they’re beginners. And sure enough, because just what they weren’t given permission to understand. They were, they were two, three steps behind me. And so I brought them along my journey. There, oh, I was coaching someone Agency. That’s where I came up. And I brought them along my journey. And so eventually, I was learning more than their body could go, because, you know, it takes time for those connections to happen. But if I had waited, I wouldn’t first of all, I wouldn’t have had them as clients. And I had them for 12 years until the pandemic happened. And I wouldn’t have had any of the referrals they sent me. So my entire business would have stalled over a year. If I was like, “Oh, I have to wait till I’m an expert.” (Brad: Right) Like come on, no (Brad : Right) one is going to, no one is coming around. And like knighting you an expert, it’s not happening.

Brad Crowell 15:29
No, it is it is funny. I do understand that. You know, I don’t think that anybody, I don’t think that anybody dubbed me an expert to run a team inside of a company. (Lesley: No) It wasn’t like, like, “Congratulations, here’s your, you know, certificate, you pass them the mile marker line, you know, now you get to go do it.” It just kind of happened innately. And, and, you know, organically because I don’t know, because I had already, I guess really it did come down to like the vision. And then the understanding of like putting the puzzle pieces together so that people could do step one through whatever, and directing traffic, but (Lesley: And you …) had I had I waited? I never would have become anybody in in the company, I just would have been behind my desk the whole time.

Lesley Logan 16:04
Right. Because how do you think like, how are you supposed to learn that you don’t go to college to learn that they that’s not happening. (Brad: No, no) So anyways, I to all of you, whatever it is that you’re dreaming of doing? You are start now, start don’t wait until you’re an expert. I’m not saying like go perform surgery if you haven’t gone to medical school yet, but like you know, (Brad: Well, don’t do that.) see yourself in the story. See yourself in the story. And without being doing anything illegal. (Brad: Yeah) Get out there and start helping people.

Brad Crowell 17:29
Yeah. Well, one thing I really loved about your conversation was that she talked about your optimal health shouldn’t be a dream. Right. And one thing is particularly poignant that I thought she said was, “Oh, well, you know, my mom always had a really hard cycle. So the first couple days were like, super painful for her. So I must also have a really hard cycle. And this must just be normal for me.” (Lesley: Yeah.) Right. And it’s like this. It’s a strange story that I not only, you know, women dealing with their cycle, tell themselves but me, Brad, like, I’ve also told myself the same exact story, “Oh, my mom always had gut issues. So I must have gut issues.” It’s just in the family. “My mom’s really bendy. So I must be really bendy.” It just in the family, it’s genetic. I don’t know, we make this up. Like I just think, I don’t actually know. Right?

Lesley Logan 18:26
I’m just because that’s true. Just because maybe it is but that doesn’t mean that you can’t have optimal health. Like …

Brad Crowell 18:31
It also doesn’t mean that there isn’t a solution. (Lesley: Correct) Maybe your parents literally didn’t know how to figure out the solution. Or maybe medicine wasn’t approaching it or being approachable. Who knows? Like we all have heard a lot about your story of 10 years figuring out gut health and it wasn’t until you found the right doctor. (Lesley: Yeah) That things actually began to change. And you know, maybe when my my mom was growing up, there wasn’t a you know, (Lesley: Yeah) gastro doctor that put the pieces together. (Lesley: Yeah) I don’t know.

Lesley Logan 19:01
Well, so what’s really, what this is like serendipitous. It’s very interesting. But one of my, one of our dear friends, she has been complaining of some aches and pains in our body for a while. And, and like, honestly, they don’t make sense together. But like, it started with her hip and this or with her lower back, and she’s like, “Well, maybe it’s because I fell.” But she’s really strong person. And so I fall all the time, it doesn’t mean I’m like, have this like lingering thing going on. Anyways, she got to the point where it’s like, unbearable. And she did some research. She did the thing. She was able to get a surgery, the surgery date was not optimal. And she was like, “Maybe I should wait on this.” And I was like, “I wouldn’t, but it’s, you know, it’s your journey.” And we’re, like, at the time that we’re recording this. She has two weeks out, and she’s like, “Lesley, she’s like, they told me it would take six months to feel all of the differences.” She’s like, “But I feel like I feel healed already.” Like, I feel. (Brad: Wow) She’s like, “I had no idea.” She’s like, how (Brad: How she could feel.) she could feel could feel like this? And she’s like, “I can’t believe I went as long as I did.” (Brad: Yeah) Because I was just like, “Oh, well, maybe, maybe it’s nothing. Maybe it’s nothing.” Y’all, if you’ve got something on your body stop trying to excuse it away. (Brad: Yes) Really truly like, yes, of course, like, we don’t need you to be a hypochondriac to your doctor. But it also, you need to be an advocate for yourself. (Brad: Yeah) You’re not meant to just like, “Oh, I guess I’m getting older.”

Brad Crowell 20:29
But I think that’s the hard part, right? Because I think, you know, your conversations centered around the idea that your body is communicating to you in a in a, in a manner, which I find really funny because your body clearly can’t, you know, talk to you. But it’s, you know, like, an, it’s not talking but it’s giving you hints all the time. You know, like I know, and I’ve mentioned this before, I know when I’m past the point of I need to go to bed, because my nose starts running. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, and it’s crazy. It’s like when I’m exhausted, tired, like, my body’s like, “Bro, you’re done.” Literally, nose starts running. And that’s, you know, it took me years of abusing my sleep cycle to put those pieces together. But it’s amazing that that happens. And I’m like, “Oh, God, yeah, okay. It’s time.” You know, and, but that’s an extreme case, really, probably when I started yawning and getting bleary eyed is also signs from my body saying, “We’re ready, dude.” But I just kept pushing through, you know, and the same thing happens with, you know, your, your Amy, she she talks a lot about discomfort, even the idea of discomfort, which, like, you know, okay, we just got to brush those things aside, that is your body communicating to you. Burping, you know, gastrointestinal, anything, all that stuff, your body’s talking to you. And she’s she said, every day, your body’s talking to you every single day. And being a professional athlete, she was particularly in tune with her body because she had to be for her job. But, you know, she talks about how most people just, you know, excuse (Lesley: Yeah) those things. And, oh this just must be how it is? And she’s she would argue, no, that’s not how it has to be.

Lesley Logan 22:16
Yeah. So um, you know, we have, we actually have a course on Profitable Pilates about being an advocate. It’s also to help other people be an advocate. But like, if you struggle with standing up for yourself at the doctor, I highly recommend it. (Brad: Yeah) If you have someone in your life that’s going through something and you’re helping them, I highly recommend it because there was our old assistant who created it. And that’s what she does now. (Brad: Yeah.) In her little baby and her are like little lobbyist. It’s really, really their frickin amazing.

Brad Crowell 22:42
We’ll, we’ll put the link to that course in the show notes. (Lesley: Yeah) It is a really helpful course by someone who’s very passionate on the subject. And,

Lesley Logan 22:51
And she said to be on both sides of advocacies. So …

Brad Crowell 22:54
Yeah, she’s gone through the experience.

Lesley Logan 22:55
Yeah. So but you know, I’m just y’all please do not just go, “Oh, you know, I’ll deal with that later.” Like, it’s really important. You would be sup… you’ll be surprised my I can. My friend is like, she’s like, Lesley. She’s like, “I can’t believe” like, her body looks different. And she likes she’s like, “These are things that I’ve been.” Like, even though I’m not suggesting everyone needs to lose any weight, but she’s like, “Lesley, I lost six pounds of inflammation (Brad: Oh wow) in two weeks.” She’s like, “I was carrying that around.” So this is not about like, losing weight. But like, that isn’t weight, you should be carrying. Weight of inflammation is very different than like, the weight of your genetic body. (Brad: Right) And so like, and that stuff, is stuff that inflammation is not good on the rest of your organs. It does not, it’s not supposed to be there. So anyways. (Brad: Wow.) Yeah. (Brad: Yeah, that’s amazing.) Yeah, I’m excited for her. Okay. BE IT action items.

Brad Crowell 23:46
Yeah. Let’s talk about those bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items we could take away from your convo with Amy Denson.

Lesley Logan 23:54
Well, she said, one amazing statement that we can get like and then there’s a bunch of bullet points. So I’m gonna jump in because it’s my show. (Lesley laughs) Identify and get over the fear of failure. Oh, okay, first of all, like right there that’s like a friggin sign on our office wall.

Brad Crowell 24:13
Okay, it is a sign in an office wall. It’s also like, not exactly helpful. (Lesley: Right. So she …) Right? Because I read that and I was like, “Okay.” (Lesley: Yeah) But then she got super specific. (Lesley: Yeah. So …) That was amazing.

Lesley Logan 24:28
So get to know yourself. Pursue with intention and there is no failure. So pursue with intention and there is no failure. (Brad: Right) Open more doors in your life and creates momentum. Want to keep going?

Brad Crowell 24:41
Yeah. Well, I was just want to talk about that pursue with intention and there is no failure. I really think she, her argument here is it’s mindset. (Lesley: Right) Right. And because if you’re pursuing with intention, even if you do come across literal failure, the fact that you’re pursuing, means that you’re, you’re embracing growth, change, you know, finding the solution to whatever it is. And even when you fail, it’s not true actual failure. Right? It’s the pursuit.

Lesley Logan 25:13
Yeah. And so I think like, you know, we talked about this a lot in other things. But so if you’ve heard me say it before, you need to hear it again, nothing ends up being the worst case scenario or the bet… like it’s kind of in the middle. So like your failure that you’re afraid of, probably won’t be what ends up happening.

Brad Crowell 25:33
Oh. The the tragedy that goes through our mind. (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah, it’s rarely that extreme.

Lesley Logan 25:38
Yeah, it’s, it’s really rare. And you always end up learning something from it. And so you won’t let that happen again, so you may as well just go through it. And she kept going. There’s some other good ones, but like,

Brad Crowell 25:48
Yeah, well, she, she said that pursuit opens more doors in your life, it creates momentum. (Lesley: Yeah) Right. And as you’re being it till you see it, which is literally what she’s talking about here. You’re eventually going to get to that point where you are it. (Lesley: Yeah) Right. She said, look through, oh, look through the lens of pursuit instead of failure. That’s the mindset thing. And then she said something, which I thought is so funny, because it’s classic. She said, “It’s about the journey. It’s not about the outcome.” (Lesley: Yeah) Right. And …

Lesley Logan 26:18
I know I need to glue that to my head, cuz I’m …

Brad Crowell 26:21
Yeah, let go of that failure and frame each of these steps as an opportunity.

Lesley Logan 26:26
Yes, I know, these are all things that I’m like I cosign 100%. And then my own life currently, I’m like … (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell 26:33
Yeah. It’s not easy when you’re in it. (Lesley: Yeah, it’s not… So …) You know, like, I was thinking about her journey as a professional athlete, a basketball player, when, you know, imagine the coach being like, “Alright, team, I know, we totally lost. It got our asses handed to us, but it’s about the journey, not the outcome.” I’m sure everyone’s like, “ahhh whatever.”

Lesley Logan 26:53
Actually, actually, speaking of basketball. UCLA famous coach, John Wooden, John Wooden. His …

Brad Crowell 27:01
Yeah, the Wizard of Westwood. It must be UCLA.

Lesley Logan 27:04
Yeah. So John Wooden, he was notorious, if I understand correctly for not focusing on winning. He was focusing on how like … how they practice and how they played always. (Brad: Yeah.) Oh, it was listening to this guy that he is my, that he is on my dream list. I’ll get him on for you. But But basically, like, the best coach in like, our like, he was a coach, y’all for UCLA from 1940 to 75. Okay. (Brad: Yeah. That’s crazy.) So he, and he has like 12, I think there’s like National, 10 National Association, like 10 championships. 10. So just amazing person, but he he’s notorious for not actually focusing on the winning and the scores. (Brad: Yeah) It was really focusing on how they played, how they played as a team. (Brad: Yeah) And so, of course, the basketball player would have to remind us that it is about going through the pursuit, as opposed to the outcome. So thank you, Amy, for reminding us (Brad: Yeah) that everything we need to know we could have learned a basketball.

Brad Crowell 28:05
All right. Well,

Lesley Logan 28:06
Thank you so much for being here. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 28:08
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 28:09
How are you going to use these tips in your life? What are you going to do? What is your favorite takeaway? Tag us at the @be_it_pod, tag @coachamyrae and let us know. We cannot wait to hear from you. And remember, until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 28:21
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.

Lesley Logan
Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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