Show Up as the Identity

You Want to Be

Ep. 611 with Lesley & Brad

“The way that you say things to your brain really matters”

Brad Crowell

Bio

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell break down the powerful conversation with keynote speaker and coach John Mollura, exploring how perfectionism, procrastination, and overthinking quietly chip away at your self-trust. They unpack why these three all stem from fear, how they derail the small promises you make to yourself, and why that matters more than you think. This recap is your reminder that confidence isn’t a mystery; it’s built through honest awareness and daily follow-through.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The shift from self-judgment to a seeker mindset that opens new direction.
• How changing lanes later in life reflects growth rather than starting over.
• The Big Three that derail meaningful actions by operating from fear.
• Breaking your own commitments as the root cause behind loss of self-trust.
• Why honoring tiny choices today makes you a hero to your future self.

Episode References/Links:

• Black Friday Cyber Monday Sale – https://opc.me/bfcm
• OPC Winter Tour – https://opc.me/tour
• Pilates Journal Expo – https://xxll.co/pilatesjournal
• Cambodia Retreat Waitlist – https://crowsnestretreats.com
• Agency Mini – https://prfit.biz/mini
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Poland – https://xxll.co/poland
• Contrology Pilates Conference in Brussels – https://xxll.co/brussels
• Pilates on Tour – https://www.pilates.com
• Submit your wins or questions – https://beitpod.com/questions
• John Mollura’s Website – https://www.johnmollura.com
• John Mollura’s Free Resources – https://www.johnmollura.com/free-stuff
• Episode 119: John Mollura – https://beitpod.com/ep119
• Episode 592: Dr. Jill Allen – https://beitpod.com/ep592

Transcript

Lesley Logan 0:00
There’s so many different reasons to have things that help you show up as the identity that you want to be so you can actually do the thing that you want to do.

Introduction
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

Lesley Logan 0:52
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the unfaltering convo I had with Amy Ledin in our last episode.

Brad Crowell 0:59
The what convo?

Lesley Logan 1:00
Unfaltering.

Brad Crowell 1:01
Unfaltering. Love that.

Lesley Logan 1:02
Yeah. If you haven’t yet listened to that interview, you are definitely going in and out of order. But that’s fine. It’s totally fine. We’re actually.

Brad Crowell 1:11
We don’t do perfection here.

Lesley Logan 1:12
We don’t and but also, this kicks off our Habits series.

Brad Crowell 1:19
This one?

Lesley Logan 1:20
Yes.

Lesley Logan 1:20
Oh, I didn’t know that.

Lesley Logan 1:21
We are in the Habits series. You don’t even know.

Brad Crowell 1:23
I know that’s amazing. Well, I was gonna comment that it was coming up because the two of you talked a lot about habits.

Lesley Logan 1:28
Yeah, yeah. So she kicked us off in this interview, in case, the way I talk about habits doesn’t exactly work for you. Amy is a great person at habits. And then several episodes, they’re like 15, 20, minutes of me actually, just like breaking down how habits work. And so you can, you’ll have episodes you can actually come back to anytime you need to go back through a habit.

Brad Crowell 1:53
Love that.

Lesley Logan 1:54
I know.

Brad Crowell 1:55
So this is 611 so just remember episode 611 kicks off the Habits series.

Brad Crowell 1:59
Well, 610. Oh, the interview with her, 610 so, yeah, the last episode. So you really should go back and listen to it, if you haven’t already, it’s worth it.

Lesley Logan 2:08
You should. So, but before that, you’ll listen to us talk about how today is December 4th 2025, and it’s World Wildlife Conservation Day day. According to Brad’s notes, day day.

Brad Crowell 2:19
Day, day.

Lesley Logan 2:20
Day day, all right, World Wildlife Conservation Day is on December 4th and we’re so excited to spread awareness about preserving Earth’s endangered flora and fauna. What do you think the most invasive species on the earth is? Monkeys, catfish, locusts? Well, I’m just gonna pause before I say what I’m about to say the second to the last sentence does make me feel like these people do care about the animals, and I’m gonna get it, bring it back to the animals, but we do have to talk about how it’s us humans, and it’s not because you’re not having enough babies, ladies, that’s not it at all. Actually, it’s because nature’s most magnificent, are we really, nature’s most magnificent creatures, world, wildlife, people, I don’t think so, are becoming endangers and being pushed the brink of extinction by the greed of some humans. Okay, so really, animals.

Brad Crowell 3:09
No, they’re saying that animals and plants are being pushed to extinction because of humans.

Lesley Logan 3:13
Because of humans. Okay, all right, so, so, oh, I see we’re the most invasive species.

Brad Crowell 3:20
That’s right. We are the most invasive species.

Lesley Logan 3:21
We are the most, I read that as endangered. So okay, so I’ll take it all the, well, first of all, we don’t need to have any more babies because we are the most invasive species. There it is. But it’s true. I just get so tired of people thinking like we’re gonna run out of people. We’re not gonna run out of people, because the Earth is gonna get too hot for people, because we are being assholes, so this is causing irreparable harm to the wildlife ecosystem. So, just so you know, here are the animals that are in danger right now. One of the most rarest cats in the world is the Amur leopard. There’s only about 100 of them left. The vaquita is a small porpoise from the Gulf of California with only eight to 13 estimated to be left. And the rhino. Multiple species are actually critically endangered, largely due to poaching for their horns. And it’s really sad about the rhino, because have you seen a baby rhino? They’re so cute. The orangutan, all species of orangutans are critically endangered because of the habitat loss from deforestation, and they’re being hunted or captured as infants. I watch this incredible thing about how they’re trying to create habitats for orangutans, but then they have to take the orangutans that are used to being around people and like, teach them to be orangutans again, it’s really quite cute. The saola, saola, an elusive forest dwelling animal in the Annamite Mountain, sometimes called the Asian unicorn, saola, an Asian unicorn? Well, we got to see this. Sunda pangolin, over-exploited for their meat and scales with illegal trade and a major threat. And then the bugs we got to be worried about, the salt Creek tiger beetle, the butterflies, the McCarthy’s plant-louse and a giant torrent midge. And, I mean, do we need the midges? I don’t know if that’s the same as a midge in Scotland.

Brad Crowell 5:10
What is it?

Lesley Logan 5:11
Giant torrent midge.

Brad Crowell 5:14
All right, images, oh, I don’t actually know what I’m looking at here.

Lesley Logan 5:20
It’s giving me, AI is giving me 75 different kinds of animals, none of which, I think are the midge.

Brad Crowell 5:25
It feels like it’s, it’s kind of in the antlered world. But a bunch of bugs came up.

Lesley Logan 5:31
Yeah, a bunch. But did you find the Asian unicorn?

Brad Crowell 5:34
I did. And it actually is like the spindly, horned like.

Lesley Logan 5:38
Okay, you know what it looks like, everyone? It looks like, it looks like the Target dog on a deer with horns. It does. Not white, but like the snout.

Brad Crowell 5:47
It’s got, it’s the bull terrier face, but it has antlers that are spinning like spindling. They spin.

Lesley Logan 5:55
All these to say, the we are endangering a.

Brad Crowell 5:57
Twist, they twist.

Lesley Logan 5:58
And, oh, and we’re endangering a lot of animals. And when one animal goes it actually affects a whole chain. And as humans, I think that we are really getting into we’re too self-absorbed, even when we think we’re doing the right thing. So just be mindful of what you’re doing. And you know, we’re we’re making the earth too hot, and it’s going to be a problem for everybody. So that’s World Wildlife, you know, conservation day, humans are an invasive species, not endangered one. Okay, I read that totally wrong. Sorry about that. Anyways. Also, today is the day we have left for the tour.

Brad Crowell 6:30
Yeah, we hit the road, and that’s exciting. We are heading to Colorado.

Lesley Logan 6:36
Yeah, we’re going to Colorado Springs. That event sold out. Both things sold out in like a week, so yeah, and then we’ll be in Fayetteville, and then we’re gonna keep on going, opc.me/tour, is where you can get your tickets and.

Brad Crowell 6:48
There are still a few tickets left, y’all, but I don’t know which cities, so just hop over to opc.me/tour, and come join us. Come hang out. It’ll be so fun to meet you in person.

Lesley Logan 6:58
We really want to. It’s one of the best ways for us to hang out, and there’s lots of prizes. Balanced Body is our sponsor of this tour, and that means we’re bringing our Controlology equipment with us. We’re bringing Bayon with us. This is the biggest one. This one has 23 cities, so we’ve outdone ourselves, truly have and we will see how we are on the other side. So, but also while we’re on tour. You know, we talked about this last month, but we did not do a sale for Profitable Pilates this past week. I guess it would have been for the Thanksgiving holiday, because we’re doing something really special December 26th to the 31st and so you’re gonna want, if you’ve ever wanted to try out Agency, if you’ve ever wanted to experience what’s like, to be coached with us, and you want to get it on a discount, you are going to want to make sure that you are paying attention to our emails. And so the best thing you can do is go to prfit.biz/events, because that’ll get you on the waitlist. Actually, just wrote a waitlist email for those people, yes, and that way you will not miss out on this amazing opportunity, and it will in the come back around, okay. And then after the new year, we come home, we literally unpack the van. I’m getting my roots and my nails done. I literally told the team, there’s zero things that can happen on that day. There’s only two things that can happen on that day, because my roots will be five weeks out, and so will my nails. And we have never tested that before in life.

Brad Crowell 8:17
So I’m gonna basically unpack the van and repack the van while she’s getting her nails done.

Lesley Logan 8:21
I know I and we haven’t even decided for taking I guess we’re taking the van. So we’re I’m gonna be teaching at the Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach. Brad’s gonna be at the booth. We’ve got some fun fireside chats. It depends on if those rugs that we are picking up fit in the other car. So you guys, oh my God, do you want to know this? We have six rugs that are waiting for us to pick them up, six and they’re huge, and the last thing I needed in this house was a rug. But I couldn’t say no to six rugs. So I have to now maybe get rid of some rugs, or we’re gonna layer some rugs, unclear, but this is, this is the things that Brad and I on our ADHD have to figure out. However, we are going to somehow, some car is going to take us to L.A. and that car will pick up some rugs before we’re at the Expo. And then Brad will be at the booth. I’ll be running around. I’m doing a fun chat with Ken Edelman. I’m doing a fireside chat that I think Erika Quest is hosting. I got a couple workshops in a class so go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal. And then, also, in January, besides being at my birthday, we are going to let the wait list people in on an amazing deal on the retreat to Cambodia next October. So it happens in January. Why? Because we want to kick off the new year. Help you plan your massive travel for the end of the year and have some fun with us. You can plan the, you get to think about it all year long how cool is that, You’ll want to go to crowsnestretreats.com to get on that waitlist, because, again, only the waitlist people get the discount.

Brad Crowell 9:52
Yeah, and we’re gonna have a call in January, middle of January, basically, to we’re just gonna hang out and talk about it all. And answer questions for you. So if you were like, you know, it’s interesting, but I’m unsure. Come join us for the call. We’re going to email the wait list about the call. So go on the waitlist. Go to crowsnestretreats.com, you’ll just see it on the homepage. Scroll down a little bit towards the bottom, and you’ll see, you know, find out about the upcoming events and whatever. So we’ll be able to email you the Zoom link. And yeah, we’re just going to hang out and talk about it, and we’ll probably invite a couple of our past retreaters to join us, so you can ask them questions and all the things. But I next year is going to be it’s gonna be a big, a big trip. I’m excited. It’s gonna be awesome. And we have, we’ve already had, we’ve literally already had people start getting tickets. Okay, I know they got a secret sale, and a bunch of people were like, yes, please. So just saying.

Lesley Logan 10:44
They’re like, people like, how do I get the secret sale? Apparently they just asked you guys. I’m pretty sure that’s how it went. Then in February, we will have our Agency Mini, but it’s happening in February. I don’t have the dates in front of us, so pfit.biz/mini will make sure that you do not miss out on when that is happening but.

Brad Crowell 11:01
Profit without the O slash mini.

Lesley Logan 11:04
If you paid attention to what’s happening on December 26th to the 31st you will not miss out on that Mini. So I’m just hinting, hinting.

Brad Crowell 11:12
Hinting.

Lesley Logan 11:12
I think I’m hinting on the right thing. The team will let me know. In March, I will be in Poland, and we will also be in Brussels. So if you and with Karen Frischmann, so if you want to learn in an intimate setting and for like, long days of amazingness with Karen and I, then you’re gonna want to go to xxll.co/poland or xxll.co/brussels to snag your spot. And then at the time we’re recording this, we have, they have not announced POT London, but we will be there. And so if you go to xxl.co/pot, you’ll see all the POTs that are happening next year.

Brad Crowell 11:48
That’s right.

Lesley Logan 11:48
So when London is there, you will see it there. And if it’s not there, you can see all the other things. And just because we’re sitting in there doesn’t mean we’re going to be at all those things.

Brad Crowell 11:56
No, that’s true.

Lesley Logan 11:56
So don’t get mad.

Brad Crowell 11:57
We’ll be at the London one.

Lesley Logan 11:58
We’ll be at the London one for sure. Well, I’ll be teaching at the London one for sure.

Brad Crowell 12:01
Oh yeah.

Lesley Logan 12:02
Okay, now we have to answer an audience question, and then we can get into the amazingness of Ame Ledin.

Brad Crowell 12:08
Yes. So okay, we had a great question. This is from SamCrecco. Samantha asks from IG, hi, I came across your page, and it has really motivated me to make a change. I am an elementary school teacher, and I’ve been teaching Pilates on the side for about two years now. As a former dancer, I’ve always had a passion for health and wellness. I’m looking to teach Pilates abroad for a short amount of time, maybe three months, but I’m open to longer. I was wondering if you have any suggestions on how to get started. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Sam.

Lesley Logan 12:40
Yeah, so, Sam, you it’s so here’s what is amazing about being a Pilates instructor. You can kind of go anywhere and get a job, like most studios need people. But on profitablepilates.com we actually had a great blog written by Roxy Menzies about being a traveling Pilates instructor, and it’s like, I think that we published it like eight years ago and or maybe seven years ago, and it is still the top red blog, one of the top red blogs on the website, because it’s such a hot topic. And so I absolutely recommend reading that book, reading that book, reading that blog, because she did that for years. She was a traveling Pilates instructor. She did it for years, until she settled down and had a family. So I would check out that blog post. There’s also, and I think it’s linked in that blog post, there’s also, there, at least was a Facebook group for traveling Pilates instructors. Like, I’m not a I’m not hugely active on Facebook, so I understand, like, I don’t know how that will work, but you can go in there and see what that is. And then there’s a couple other apps where, like, studios will put job postings. I think, Planke does it P-L-A-N-K-E, the PMA has a job board. Essentially, though, like you would just be surprised what like, because here’s the thing you’re gonna need to know what your kind of style of teaching is called, because obviously that’s for some students that’s going to matter, or for you to enjoy yourself that might matter. And then sometimes they just post things in in groups, or they tell a friend, or you can, you can let people know. One of the girls who did eLevate, she actually ran someone’s studio for six weeks in Hawaii. So she got to live in the woman’s house and live in Hawaii on an island by the beach, and run her studio. So the woman could take six weeks off like, what a dream. I think it’s amazing.

Brad Crowell 14:22
I’m all about that. I mean, maybe not at this point in my life, because I do have a family and a house. But you know, if I was 20 years younger and in this position, it sounds so fun.

Lesley Logan 14:32
Oh, if we still had the apartment in L.A. when we when we didn’t have the studio, this would have been like, like, upper alley, but now I’m, like, just not gonna pay me enough. But, well, you’re, you have to, but, but Sam is in the perfect place. Like, she’s like that, and she should take advantage of it. I think, like so many people, like, oh, this is what I should do. No, if you are not like, like you, if you don’t have like, a lease that you’re like, dedicated to, like, if it’s easy for you to be mobile., well, you should do that while you can, because you haven’t you will meet and learn. Meet so many people, learn so many things. You’ll learn about yourself. It’s like, the same reason why you should come to Cambodia, like, there’s just things you have to do in your life so that you can truly level up and figure out what you really want to do. Like, that’s the cool thing about being a Pilates instructor. Maybe some people will do this for their whole lifetime, and some people will do it seasonally as a as like a thing that they do until they figure out what they want to do. I love that. So anyways.

Brad Crowell 15:27
I’m in. Well, thanks for asking that question. If you have a question, you can ask us, go to beitpod.com/questions where you can leave a win or a question, beitpod.com/questions and last week, we got to read out one, and we’d love to hear one from you. So stick around. We’ll be right back. We’re going to dig into this great conversation that Lesley had with Amy Ledin, and we’ll be right back.

Brad Crowell 15:50
All right. Now, let’s talk about Amy Ledin. Amy Ledin is a fat loss and mindset coach. She’s the cofounder of Lean Bodies Consulting and the host of the F* It Podcast. She helps women in midlife create lasting transformation through training, nutrition and identity-based habit change. Great.

Lesley Logan 16:11
What? Great.

Brad Crowell 16:13
Great. Yeah, it’s so great. Actually, you know what I really appreciated was I’ve been around you for so long now with your habits training with BJ Fogg, and just listening to you talk about the process and how it all works. And it was, it was really fun to listen to somebody else talk about habits and habit forming and building with her clients. But it’s, I thought it was cool because it was identity-based habit change and not just like habit change. So that’s pretty awesome. She uses tools like the DAC, which are her daily agreement cards, which we talked about all the way back in episode two, I think, or three.

Lesley Logan 16:52
She was episode five.

Brad Crowell 16:53
Just kidding, way back in the beginning, five, her DACs. She still uses those. She helps clients reprogram the mental loops that keep them stuck and build a body that reflects their discipline, a stage four nonsmall cell lung cancer fighter, Amy continues to lead and inspire through resilience, integrity and action. And yeah, I know.

Lesley Logan 17:13
This was a big episode.

Brad Crowell 17:14
This is a pretty big episode. It was also like.

Lesley Logan 17:16
We’re gonna spoil some things as we talk about it, so if you didn’t listen, it won’t be a surprise when you’re listening. But like it was, she has cancer right now.

Brad Crowell 17:24
Recurring, for the fourth time recurring, and this time it’s, it’s attacked her brain.

Lesley Logan 17:29
I know I’m really upset. I’m like, I’m I’m frustrated for her. And we have another friend who’s going through something similar. It’s like, the second time, and you’re just like, you know, like, it’s just so frustrating because, like, of course, they’re also the people, like, doing the work and caring for other people, and they’re so generous and all that they do, and you’re just like, like, why can’t it be the fucking asshole over there? You know? Why? You know, but that doesn’t get to be that person. So we can, we can get into that in a little bit. But I actually want to talk some other things. I did love that she said.

Brad Crowell 17:58
Yeah, before that, I just wanted to say, you know, thanks for the update, Amy. And I just wanted to say that I appreciated her honesty. You know, I’m glad you asked the question the way you asked, which was like, how’s it going with cancer? Do you still have cancer? What’s what’s going on? And she said, yes. And instead of being like, Oh, I’m so sorry. You said I’m sorry, but you know, like, how does that make you feel? Like, do you feel like? I can’t remember exactly what you asked, but it was something about like, do you, are you sad, are you tired of being sorry? Are you tired of people saying that? And she said, I’m actually tired of it, and I’m tired of also being the strong one, because people always tell her wow, you might, you’re so strong, you know. And she’s like, I don’t want to be that anymore. I’ve been doing that for a long time, fighting this, and it’s, you know, she doesn’t want to do that. So I just thought it was a really candid conversation about somebody who’s going through something that, you know, the first times were probably like, debilitating and crushing, and this time it’s almost, it’s got to be, like, some kind of a routine at this point.

Lesley Logan 19:08
I mean, I think we just talked about, like, how she didn’t even tell them right away, because it’s like, you just don’t like, you just don’t even want to, like, go through the things that people are going to say.

Brad Crowell 19:17
We all know what they’re going to say. I mean, we’ve, we’ve done it with our pets, you know and, you know. And I’m not, I’m not carrying them in that way. But the the recurring trauma of something that’s tragic happening a second time, you know, I can only imagine what, yeah, you know, a fourth time, you know, so I just wanted to say thank you for asking it the way you did. And Amy, thanks for being candid and being willing to share. And you know.

Lesley Logan 19:44
Also, like, I don’t we were like, we would talk before the episode started and it didn’t come up. No. And so I was like, oh, Jesus fuck. Like, you know shouldn’t tell. And also, and here’s the other thing, that it’s really important for us to hear, at no point did I go. She never told me, like, as, if you know what I mean, like, like, it’s an affront. You should have told me, how come you didn’t tell me. It’s like, I think it’s, you know.

Brad Crowell 20:08
That’s like, narcissism.

Lesley Logan 20:09
I, I don’t even, it’s, it might not mean you might not be a narcissist who does, who says that, and you still say, but like, it’s, well, it’s never, by the way, it’s never about you. In fact, if, like, just okay, if you’re someone in my life who I’m not calling it’s probably not about you. It’s probably me, most likely, 99.9% of the time, it’s me. So you know, and so I if any of your friends are like me at all, it’s also them, it’s not you. So if it is you, you can just say, Hey, I’m actually a little surprised. And if it is me, I just want to know if it’s not me. No, no need to say anything, but, like, it’s probably not you, but so at no point did I think that, but I was just like, geez, this fucking sucks. She because she is so strong, but she’s gonna be so tired, because people will always say to me, they’re like, you’re so resilient. It’s like, I’m fucking tired of being resilient. So anyways, she’s a badass. Let’s get into some of the reasons why she is she said on body and identity, and this is another reason why I like the way that she talks about habits, because, like, she talks about it as embodying it. And I think I should have spot one of my clients the other day or the other another episode where she’s like, I’m a healthy person, like, it’s an identity that she wants to be, and a healthy person won’t, like, cancel their Pilates session so I’m here even though I would prefer to be laying in bed, right? Like, so I was so proud of her. I was like, I’m so proud of you. Because, like, that’s how you can that’s how you can make changes in your life. It doesn’t have to be habits. I make changes. And so she said on embodied identity, you have got to show up as the person you want to be. And so for Amy, she talked about how she puts on her makeup and she does her hair, and she consciously avoids verbalizing her pain or fatigue with what she’s going through, managing her stage four cancer, because she’s really focusing on your body goes in the direction you speak to it. Your body goes in the direction you speak to it. We’ve all heard like, where your energy goes. That’s where it flows, right like, so you can focus on all the negative things that are happening in your life. And guess what you’re gonna see all the negative things. And guess what you’re watering all the you’re literally watering the negative things. But if you’re focusing on, and it’s not a toxic positivity type of focus, but if you’re focusing on showing up as the person you want to be, and putting your focus in that direction, it is going to get you there. And she said, she said she emphasized the power of maintaining her appearance as a tool to influence her self-perception. So I love this. I do this too, because whenever I feel a little tired, we’ll run down if I look in the room like, oh, I didn’t get dressed today, of course, like, but maybe it’s I also I didn’t sleep. But, like.

Brad Crowell 22:49
I know what you mean, you just kind of, you know, roll out of bed and keep going and (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 22:53
Some days it happens and you’re like, oh, no wonder I’m feeling like, not myself. You put everything on. And even if that doesn’t solve the world’s problems, it kind of you look at yourself in the mirror, you go, I look good, right? Like, I look great. So she said, not many people realize that it’s a big superpower. You want to see reflection of who you’re wanting to be feeling like, like in the mirror, you know? So I think some people can get a little weird about, like, oh, putting on makeup and doing my hair. Like, that’s so superficial. It’s not, guys. Yes, there are people that are superficial who do that, but like, for most of us, it is kind of the thing that helps us show up more as the person we want to be because we’re fighting on the outside.

Brad Crowell 23:33
You know, it’s like, I think corporate usually it’s weird about it, because every you know, it can become like, a competition and stuff. But like, you know, there is a reason that people wear a suit and tie in a corporate environment, right. It changes the way you you it’s supposed to change the way you act.

Lesley Logan 23:53
Yeah, yeah. There’s a reason why there’s uniforms at schools. It’s like, kind of so that everyone is, like, not in pajamas at school. But also, like, you know, supposedly supposed to help people, like, not be wanting to be each other. But like, kind of also like this, if it’s your job to go to school, like, then you have to wear uniform, you know. So I get it.

Brad Crowell 24:10
I definitely have found myself changing my shirt before I get on Zoom calls now where I’m like, you know, like, my old T shirts aren’t really my vibe anymore, and as much as I enjoy them for, you know, running around or, you know, weekend, yard work, they’re, they’re the wrong vibe for when I’m coaching or I’m on a call or whatever. And, yeah, it definitely gives you a different perception of yourself.

Lesley Logan 24:35
Yeah. And I think, like, I just think that, you know, a lot of a lot of us are taking notes from people who maybe what they’re saying means well. Like, especially if you’re like, oh my God, I have to spend so much time getting ready every day. Yeah, you don’t need that stuff. But like, if you are trying to feel like a more positive person who feels strong and as a leader, like these things can help. You know, Dr Celeste Holbrook calls that she calls them harm reduction acts, like she would love to not wear makeup, and she would love to not have to put on a clothes that match, but for her to get her message out, she understands that there is a way that she needs to show up, and if she shows up that way, she reduces the harm she could get in the comments. And so she also, like, does this thing in the morning, so that she can put these things on, so can show up in the way that she wants to be received, so that she can give her message out there. So there’s so many different reasons to have things that help you show up as the identity that you want to be. So you can actually do the thing that you want to do.

Brad Crowell 25:42
Yeah, well, that, that leads pretty straight into what I enjoyed, what she was talking about. She was talking about, how we, how do we create change in ourselves, and how do we, you know, habit forming, and all that kind of stuff, the self-talk, the way that we we what we’re thinking. It’s really interesting, because I’m like, super analytical and a little bit sarcastic is the wrong word, but cynical is the right word, right? So I’m a little bit cynical. So, you know, I feel like there can be this dissidence of like, oh, when I say these happy things, I’m still lying to myself, because it’s not reality. But what, what she’s talking about were, was basically the way that you say the things to your brain really matters, and it really needs to be identity shifting, the things that you say to yourself. So like, for example, what I’ve noticed this is just very basic, but if I wake up and I go, I feel tired. I probably feel tired all day. But if I wake up and I and I say, I’m ready to go, then I’m going to be ready to go all day. You know, especially if you’re like, I feel good, I feel good. I’m ready. Let’s do this right? And so in that same vein, she advocates for scripting or writing out your day as if you were already your future self. So this is like future casting, right? And this is also like, you know, you call it manifesting, or whatever, but the idea is that you’re who is it that you want it to be? Who do you want to be? Who do you how do you want to operate? You know, how do you want to think if you create a script for that, you know? And she talks about, you know, I am someone who is good at making decisions, and I make decisions that benefit my myself, my future, my family, and, you know, every decision that I make is helps lead us towards the path that we’re going down. This kind of a thing where it doesn’t, it’s, you know, it certainly can be right? And she said, script this, because what happens is you’re rewiring your brain, right? She said, your brain doesn’t actually see the difference between your future self being a scripted version of yourself and the current self, right? And what you’re doing. She said, since 91% of your thoughts are repetitive, which is crazy, because I thought it was only 80s, she said, 91.

Lesley Logan 28:07
I think it’s probably 91.

Brad Crowell 28:09
She said, consciously scripting is a new you know, your new reality is essential for breaking away from old patterns. And you’re trying to show that you can change. You know you’re you’re changing who you are and when you as you’re scripting this, whatever it is going to be for the future, this mantra that you’re going to create for yourself, there will come a point that you’re you start to adopt it in the way that you think. So it might sound cheesy and weird, but give it a try. You know, I think this is actually really interesting.

Lesley Logan 28:40
Yeah. I actually really like this. And I think, like, for the people who are like, I’m so busy, you can do this on a commute, because you can just talk to text. You can just talk to text.

Brad Crowell 28:48
Yeah, well, I but I think the idea is that if you’re scripting it, you want to read it.

Lesley Logan 28:53
Well, you know, but talk to text, then you can read it. Like, if you don’t have if you’re like, my morning is so busy, It’s so chaotic, I got to get everybody out of the door, you could then, on your way to work, talk to text and a note on your phone. Here’s how my days here’s how my day went to it’s the end of the day. Here’s how my day went. Like you’re scripting the day, right? And then when you get to your desk, you can just read it. You already wrote it.

Brad Crowell 29:18
I don’t quite think that’s what she means. I think she’s saying.

Lesley Logan 29:20
You have to handwrite it.

Brad Crowell 29:21
No, she’s saying, map it out. It’s your thing that you do as your it’s the same thing. You repeat it every day. It’s the same one.

Lesley Logan 29:28
Oh, you’re doing the same one every single day.

Brad Crowell 29:30
You’re creating a script, and you’re retraining your brain and the way that you think. So, how is it that you want to think, let’s write these things down?

Lesley Logan 29:39
If you’re already your future self.

Brad Crowell 29:41
Right. As if you were already your future self? Oh, okay, I like what you’re talking about. Because what you’re talking about is, is more like the brain dump kind of a thing of like, almost like the morning, morning pages slash notes.

Lesley Logan 29:52
How this amazing day is going to be, well, you could still do this part. You could still do it voice to text. You just have to the same one every time.

Brad Crowell 29:59
Right. But then you have to remember it. So.

Lesley Logan 30:01
I think you will, I think you’ll even get more (inaudible) you probably can get better at it. I think you probably even get more details and more nuances, and the smells and the sounds will be there. Yeah, I’m just trying to help the people out who are like, look, I know what they’re gonna say, Brad, they’re gonna say, I don’t have time to do this every morning. No time. So I’m trying to give them the permission to find a way.

Brad Crowell 30:20
Let’s change that. The I don’t have time thing, I don’t, I don’t. I think that we’re making it lot bigger than it needs to be. Like, okay, maybe the first time you have to spend some time thinking about who you want to be yourself. But you need to do that anyway. Yeah, right. So one, you know, but I think your mantra could literally be two sentences or five sentence. It doesn’t have to be paragraphs. We’re talking about, you know, something that you can build into your morning routine as a habit, and it becomes a habit, you know. And maybe it’s when you’re brushing your teeth you see, you know, the note on the mirror that says daily mantra, or daily you know, you know, identity shifting, or whatever it is that you, you know.

Lesley Logan 31:02
Yeah, you could put it somewhere where you could read it every morning and every night. I like that.

Brad Crowell 31:05
Yeah. I mean, I don’t even think you need to write it out and stick it on the mirror. You could, but even on your phone. You just need something like, You need to like Lesley says, tie it to something that you do daily so that you’re gonna see it like, for example, the making coffee and doing push ups while I’m waiting for the coffee to brew.

Lesley Logan 31:23
I like it while you’re brushing your teeth, because you do probably do that twice a day. I like it being on the mirror and not on your phone so you don’t get distracted. My ADHD, as soon as they open their phone, they’re getting fucking lost and they’re somewhere else.

Brad Crowell 31:35
I think that’s wise.

Lesley Logan 31:36
And if they don’t update that note every day, then the note gets buried. So like, let’s just put it on paper on your mirror, and you can read it twice a day while you’re brushing your teeth, because while you’re brushing your teeth, you’re like, man, two minutes is a long time. It’s a long time. So what if you read it for the whole two minutes?

Lesley Logan 31:51
What if, I mean again, it doesn’t have to be two minutes long. It could just be a few sentences.

Lesley Logan 31:55
No, it could be a few sentences that you read over and over again for two minutes.

Brad Crowell 31:58
Yeah, that’s cool. Stick around. We’ll be right back. We’re gonna dig into some really great Be It Action Items that Amy shared with us like she’s a powerhouse, y’all, I’m very continuously impressed by her.

Lesley Logan 32:10
I know.

Brad Crowell 32:11
Yeah, well, we’ll be right back. All right. So finally, let’s talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Amy Ledin? So funny enough, I’m going to let you say what she got excited about. But she she also said she’s got this interesting framework that she created about habit building, and she calls it five for 50, okay? And, yeah, I thought this was clever. I know there, you know there’s you talk a little bit differently about the length of time it takes to build a habit.

Lesley Logan 32:45
Yeah. I actually this idea. Cares thing (inaduible)

Brad Crowell 32:49
Wait, wait, let me tell the idea. Okay, so 5 for 50, what is it? 5 for 50, you’re picking five specific things that you want to turn into habits, and you’re going to perform these habits for 50 consecutive days in a row, right? So little redundant there consecutive means in a row. So 50 consecutive days you’re going to perform these five specific habits that you want to change. And there’s one caveat, four out of five of those must be things you genuinely intend to continue to do long term. So you’re not picking five things that you might want to try out. That’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about four of the things you definitely want to build into your life. And the fifth thing, maybe that’s the thing you want to try out, right? And the examples that she gave were, she has a 26 year old son who was like, I really want to learn to draw. And he he said, I’m going to do it for 30 minutes every day. And and after a few days, he was like, whoa, this is overkill. I I’m not an amazing (inaudible) I reduced it to 10 minutes a day, but he still did it 10 minutes a day for 50 days.

Lesley Logan 33:52
Yeah, and that. And so she does give there’s a you have the first week to adjust the habit so I.

Brad Crowell 33:59
Increased his time because he got really into drawing. And by the end of 50 days, she said he was like, Michael Jordan of drawing, yeah, yeah, yeah. She said it’s amazing what you can do. You know, you know how you know whether it’s playing the guitar or whatever it is, you know, the but the so the fifth habit is reserved for personal growth area that the person wants to explore. This will allow you to dabble in it, to see if it’s something you’d like to continue to, you know, without the pressure of a forever commitment. So for her, it was getting back into journaling. She’s like, you know, I used to do it. I was really intentional about it before I got out of the habit of it. And like, I kind of want to do it, but I’m not really sure if I want to do it again. So she was like, I’m going to add that in as my fifth thing. So, you know, and, yeah, that seven day window gives you time to redefine, redefine those agreements. There’s 50 those five things over the 50 days, you know, if the initial commitment proves too much. And I thought, I thought this was kind of clever and and so that said, I wanted to check in with you, Lesley, because you said, oh, I started learning Tarot.

Lesley Logan 35:04
Yeah, tarot.

Brad Crowell 35:04
Tarot, I said, tarot.

Lesley Logan 35:06
I know, like I’m rowing a boat, like I’m learning to row, yeah, tarot, yeah. I’m still learning it. I’m still learning it. I have missed a few days on the return of our, of our coming here, but I actually, except for, according to the app, I missed a couple times. I think that’s because of the plane. Like, I, you know, I actually do believe I did it on the days that I did it, but, like, it was like, you missed it, but I actually did almost 50 days in a row on that and I am not a little hiatus, because we have to get back to life. And it just was like, Okay, this is actually filling a job and not like a hobby and so, but I love it. I’m really into it. And I just, I’m really excited, because I just got a notification that this 2026 journal is coming, and it’s like a daily Tarot journal, so it will help me with my because with Tarot, you have to, like, immerse yourself in it, to learn it. You know, like, you got to learn the cards, but then you got to draw the cards. And so I’m trying to find these different ways to make sure it’s around me. So it’s easy to do sure, but I am loving this. This is really fun for me, and it’s also really interesting when I tell people I’m learning it, because they’re like, oh, are you new readings? And it’s like, no, no, no, not everything that I do is going to become something I get paid to do. This is for me, doing it for myself, but I but I actually like, I really like, here’s the thing. We can all talk about the same thing in different ways, and some people are going to love it, and some really love other things. I actually really like the way that B.J. does habits, which is what I’m going to go into the rest of the of the month. That being said, this might be exactly what you want to do. Or you can actually go, Hmm, I wonder what my five habits would be. You can actually use what I am doing the next the for the next month to come up with your 5 for 50. And then starting on day one of the year, you could go through the first 50 days of the year using Amy’s, so you can actually do both.

Brad Crowell 37:05
Sure, I dig it. Well. Anyway, I thought that. I thought it was a good like, I love it. It’s a good challenge. You know, it’s a challenge, but it’s a good one.

Lesley Logan 37:13
And I think it, I think it is a challenge, and you’re not. It’s not like, they do this every 50 days where they start new things, like they, they do this and then like they, I think if she said it was a couple times a year, it’s like, not like, every 50 days, like, Okay, it’s time for our new 5 for 50. Like, you’ve run out of things to do. So my Be It Action Items, she is so clever, she actually used her DACs and the Be It acronym. So.

Brad Crowell 37:36
DACs are the daily action commitments, which for her were cards that she was writing on.

Lesley Logan 37:41
Yeah, like, those cute little like, recipe cards, yeah. So B is bold, pick one agreement that matters. So your bold action, and that she is saying is, pick an agreement that matters, and then you’re gonna do E, which is executable, write it in real words, not vague words, be specific on what you’re shooting for. And then I the intrinsic is link it to how you want it to feel, not how much you want to weigh or how much you want to make. So like, not anything like external, but how you want, how that one thing is going to make you feel on the inside. And then T targeted, start today, not someday, be very specific of when you’re going to start doing the thing. So I thought that was, like, a really fun way for her to use her DACs with the Be It. I was like, oh, look at that, be it till you see it right there.

Brad Crowell 38:29
Yeah, it’s I thought it was quite clever.

Lesley Logan 38:32
Yeah, I know. I love when people give me my acronym back. I don’t want to make it a rule, but, like, it does make me smile. I’m not saying anything guests who are listening to this that maybe you should do it, but, but it’s really good. I can’t believe it’s been 555 episodes.

Brad Crowell 38:52
Wait.

Lesley Logan 38:53
She was on Episode five.

Brad Crowell 38:54
Yeah, this is episode 611.

Lesley Logan 38:56
I know, but she was on episode she was on episode 610 so she, it’s been 555 from her.

Brad Crowell 39:04
605 baby.

Lesley Logan 39:06
Oh, nailing it. Nailing it on these episodes (inaudible) wow. I, like, don’t even have my brain doubled down on that, like, I doubled down on that, and I really was like, oh, that’s 555, that equals 610, five, five plus five. That’s 10. Really, this is why I actually write down math when I do it and not do it in my head. Anyways.

Brad Crowell 39:37
We listen to a pod where he says, I don’t do live math so but yeah, maybe we should adopt that.

Lesley Logan 39:43
Clearly I don’t do live math. All right, I am Lesley Logan, and I, I am imperfect. Clearly from this episode,

Brad Crowell 39:51
I’m Brad Crowell. Thanks for being here.

Lesley Logan 39:53
Yeah, make sure you share this with a friend who needs to hear it. It’s really, really great. And also we want to hear, Amy’s gonna want to hear, especially like, did you do 5 and 50? Did you pick an agreement? Did you do anything like share it with her. I know she’ll love to hear it, and it will inspire her and empower you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 40:11
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 40:13
That’s all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 40:55
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Lesley Logan 41:00
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Brad Crowell 41:05
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Lesley Logan 41:12
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Brad Crowell 41:15
Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Brad Crowell 0:00
These three behaviors constantly derail us from doing the things that we want to do or the things that we say are so important for us. And he said, all three of them share the same root. Okay, what is the root of perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking?

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Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan 1:03
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the encouraging convo I have with John Mollura in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one, and then listen to this one, or listen to this one and then listen to that one. They’re fun, back-to-back, to be completely honest, in whatever order you want to do. And John Mollura, he said this is his second time on the pod.

Brad Crowell 1:28
Yeah, the first one he was in the hundos.

Lesley Logan 1:27
Yeah. I know. Is that crazy? It’s insane.

Brad Crowell 1:28
Yeah, yeah. Like this probably puts him almost 500 episodes ago.

Lesley Logan 1:34
I know. Who else should we bring back? Send it in, guys.

Brad Crowell 1:38
Let us know.

Lesley Logan 1:38
Today is Thursday, November 27th 2025 and for Americans, it is Turkey Day.

Brad Crowell 1:46
It’s Thanksgiving Day.

Lesley Logan 1:47
Yes, but it’s also for Americans and anyone else wants to celebrate, Un-Thanksgiving Day.

Brad Crowell 1:54
That’s right.

Lesley Logan 1:54
Let’s, before people get upset, this is what Un-Thanksgiving Day is. It’s also known as National Day of Mourning, or Indigenous People’s Sunrise Ceremony, is commemorated on the fourth Thursday in November. That is on purpose, because, well, I’ll tell you more in a second, this place, it takes a place on November 27th but it just happens on to be on the same Thursday as Thanksgiving, because it’s always the fourth Thursday. And it actually there’s a big thing over on Alcatraz Island in San Francisco Bay to honor the indigenous peoples of America and promote their rights. And the reason why we do this is because, well, there’s also, naturally a mourning is what they do in Boston, but what they do in happened in at Alcatraz is when it was no longer being used as a prison, the indigenous people went and took over the island, and they lived in it and inhabited and controlled it for 19 months. And it’s kind of amazing. It’s basically them taking their land back, which is very beautiful on we didn’t do this because we’ll have episodes come on Monday, but I really love that on Columbus Day, the day formerly known as Columbus Day in this household, but known as Indigenous People’s Day, somebody, somebody posted a meme that said a reminder that on this day in 1492 indigenous people discovered Columbus lost at sea, or whatever day it was. I don’t know if I heard the year correctly, but I love it. It’s like, yeah, you fucking discovered this place. You so. So anyways, if you’re like me and Brad, sometimes these holidays are kind of hard to celebrate, because, like, of course, I want to spend time with family. Of course I’ll spend time with friends. Of course, we need days off, and we do need some joy, but I think finding new ways to educate ourselves and then celebrate those people is wise.

Brad Crowell 3:48
Yeah, or just to have some clarity around the history of a holiday, you know, like, like, like, historically, the Romans would take the conquered people’s holidays, and, you know, morph them so that the people could still celebrate, and then over time, things would change, you know. And now, all of a sudden, we have, you know, things like Christmas or Halloween or whatever, you know. And they’ve been, they’ve been basically taken over, and Thanksgiving is, is, I don’t think Thanksgiving was taken over, but Thanksgiving has a different premise.

Lesley Logan 4:22
There’s a folkloric story about, like, what happened I’m like this, but (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 4:25
But it’s, well, it’s, yeah, it’s well, it’s, it’s that, you know, we came, we saw, we conquered, kind of thing and we did that. But it’s a day of thanks, right? Thanks for this new land that we took from people. So, you know, thank you for that.

Lesley Logan 4:41
It’s like a bully kicking a kid taking a lunch, going, thanks, man.

Brad Crowell 4:43
You know, so so I still think that we can have a day where we we are thankful for the things that we have and family and those things. But I think it’s also fair to to to recognize that, you know, like that, like for the native people of this continent. They they want to remember their history too, and the genocide of indigenous people that happened when we came over here, so.

Lesley Logan 5:12
Yeah, and I just think, like, Hallmark washing, and no offense to that company, but like, just making everything, like this beautiful day to like, you know, go out and buy decorations and all this different stuff. It’s like, I think you can have a day of thanks, I think. But I also think, like, it is, it is important that we’re educating ourselves about the people that have been hurt by this kind of stuff, and also, like, have a day of thanks and be thankful for them and what they did on, you know, for this land before we got here.

Brad Crowell 5:39
Yeah, Thanks for Thanks for going down that journey with us.

Lesley Logan 5:42
Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving Day.

Brad Crowell 5:44
Yeah, it’s intentionally on Thanksgiving every year. It’s the fourth, same as the fourth, fourth Thursday of November.

Lesley Logan 5:50
So and you know what? Here’s the deal, if you’re like guys, thanks, totally understand. You know, honor them every day. And I love Thanksgiving. That is very, very cool. But for some people who are having a hard time right now with this holiday, we just gave you one. You’re welcome.

Brad Crowell 6:04
Yeah, all right. Coming up it is. We are in the middle of our Black Friday Cyber Monday sale right now for OPC, onlinepilatesclasses.com. Just go to, actually check your emails. But I want to say it’s opc.me/bfcm, Black Friday Cyber Monday, for the short link for that. In December, in literally a week, we leave and we hit the road. We are driving to Colorado. We’re gonna be in Colorado Springs. We’re not gonna review all the days and the locations and all the things.

Lesley Logan 6:32
There’s 23 of them.

Brad Crowell 6:33
There are 23 cities, public stops there. And we have, you know, definitely more than 50% sold out. We are more than that already as we’re recording this, and you know.

Lesley Logan 6:44
Powered by Balanced Body, so we’re gonna be bringing our Controlology line with us. We’ll have some prizes from them. You don’t have to be a Pilates instructor to come. You don’t even have to have done Pilates for you to come. (inaudible) my fucking friends have come, and they don’t, have never done it before. So you are welcome to bring a family member or ditch them and say that you have something to do for work. It’s important. Everyone understands. So go to opc.me/tour for tickets in the remaining stops. And then what’s also happening later in December, because we’re not doing a Black Friday, Cyber Monday sale for Profitable Pilates this year, we are doing something special December 26th through the 31st so, but you’ll need to have the be on the email list for Profitable Pilates. So if you’re not on that list, you need to get on that list, yeah, and go do that. And then after our tour is over, we come home. I fix my roots, I change my nails, I launch a mentorship program, and then we drive out to Huntington Beach.

Brad Crowell 7:40
I think I’ll shave while you’re doing all those things.

Lesley Logan 7:40
I mean, you’ll have your shave going on, but you’ll probably need a trim. So we’re gonna go, we’ll be at the Pilates Journal Expo in Huntington Beach. It’s the first time the Pilates Journal is doing an event in the States. It’s a humongous lineup of teachers, some that I, who I used to take from when I was a baby Pilates person, and some that I’ve taught how to teach. So it’s kind of crazy. So you’ll want to go to the Pilates Journal Expo to join us on that party, xxll.co/pilatesjournal. Then we’re home for a little bit, thank goodness, because, like everybody and their mom is wanting to visit in February, and, oh, there’s more in January.

Brad Crowell 8:05
Yeah, there’s more in Jan. So we’re gonna be.

Lesley Logan 8:12
It’s also my birthday. I don’t see that on the events list.

Brad Crowell 8:17
For those of you who’ve been interested in joining us on a Pilates retreat where we hang out, we decompress from all the insanity that this life has for us. Each and every one of us is different. Go to crowsnestretreats.com. Get yourself on the waitlist. In January, we’re going to be doing our pre sale, our early bird for our retreat for next year, which will be in October at our home in Cambodia. We’re actually going to be doing a call at the middle end of January. It’s not yet on the calendar exactly, but we’re going to have a call, and we’re going to interview a couple of our past attendees. We’re going to hang out, we’re going to talk about the trip and all the things that everybody’s ever wanted to know. It’s going to be great. So come join us for that, but you got to be on the waitlist for that. Go to crowsnestretreats.com to get on the waitlist. And then in February, something that is really I’m passionate about as well, is Agency Mini. Okay, so as you know, we coach Pilates business owners, and we have a coaching program and all those fun things. But people ask, you know, often look at it and go, I don’t know if I’m ready for a six month commitment. No problem. That’s why we created Agency Mini, and it’s a three-day program. Okay? Used to be seven. We’ve shrunk it down to three, because we all know how crazy life actually is. It is a really powerful three days, and you should join us for that. Go to prfit.biz/mini prfit.biz/mini. That’s profit without the O.

Lesley Logan 9:35
And then we get on our plane for the first time in almost six months.

Brad Crowell 9:39
Which is insane.

Lesley Logan 9:40
Insane but so delicious. I’m sitting here knowing we have six months not.

Brad Crowell 9:45
Of no flying.

Lesley Logan 9:46
So it’s the really ridiculous thing. But I saw it on the day we were at the airport some reel which is like, Have you ever been to the airport and you realize, like, every time I go to the airport, it is everybody’s first time on this earth. And so I was just like looking at people, and honestly, I had more empathy for them. I’m like, well, it’s their first time here. And then we pull a move where we like, just stop in the middle of the airport, like you did, like, like people do, and then we’re just like, turn and like, I’m like, so sorry.

Brad Crowell 10:11
Cutting people off. Oops.

Lesley Logan 10:11
Like, I was like, oops, I’m so sorry. It’s our first time on this planet. They didn’t understand what I was saying. But I laugh my heart out. But anyways, we’re home for six months, and then when we get on a plane, it’s a big deal because we are going to be in three different countries, teaching in the content, continent of Europe, because I can’t say the EU anymore, since the Brexit. So school year, we’re starting to right, I have to like London and England is its own thing.

Brad Crowell 10:37
Almost positive.

Lesley Logan 10:38
I have to say, like the European continent, so annoying, but we’ll just say,

Brad Crowell 10:44
Yeah, it’s considered part of Europe geographically.

Lesley Logan 10:46
But not the EU.

Brad Crowell 10:47
Although technically it’s the European continental shelf. Anyway, no, it’s not the EU but it is part of Europe.

Lesley Logan 10:54
It’s like when we were in John o’Groats, and we had to be so specific, we couldn’t say we were at the top of the UK. We had to say we’re at the top of the mainland UK.

Brad Crowell 10:58
Right. Because there are islands north of the mainland.

Lesley Logan 11:01
Or top of mainland Scotland. So okay, so in March, we’re going to be in Poland at the Controlology Pilates Conference, xxll.co/poland Karen Frischmann is doing that with me, and it’s really fun. We haven’t been back there in a couple of years. Really, really great time. Really cool people there. So I can’t wait to see you guys. And then the next weekend we’ll be in Brussels. Els Studio tells and you want to go to xxll.co/brussels same, two teachers, very different workshops, also private sessions. So choose the adventure you want to go on, check out both lineups, and pick the one you want to go to or come to both and hang out with us in two different countries, why not? And then in April, Brad and I will be at the POT in London. We’re very excited about it, it’s my first POT in London, (inaudible) I know it’s, it’s gonna be a great time. It’s gonna be a really fun to see all those people. So pick the one you want, my European fabulous people, because that’s it for 2026. That’s all there is.

Brad Crowell 11:59
So xxll.co/poland or slash Brussels. Eventually we might have slash London, but they’re not. They don’t even have a landing page up yet to buy tickets for that.

Lesley Logan 12:08
From the time that we’re recording this.

Brad Crowell 12:08
Yeah, we’re just, we’re putting it on your radar. So go to pilates.com and go see their continuing education. That’s where they have all that information about future POTs Pilates On Tour.

Brad Crowell 12:19
All right, so this week, we had a question for you from Natalie.

Lesley Logan 12:25
Hit me with it.

Brad Crowell 12:27
@nathalieds9011 asks on YouTube about the video, How to Take Your Pilates Practice Outdoors. She said, hey, how about doing Pilates outdoors during winter in Madrid, which is where I am, winter is not extreme. I have a big terrace, which is where I do Pilates. Since inside my apartment, there’s just not that much space for me to move.

Lesley Logan 12:43
I mean, if you live somewhere where it’s beautiful in the winter, fuck yeah. Do it outside. Tag me in a video. Take one of my classes on OPC, or Pilates Anytime or on YouTube. And I want to see your, I want to live vicariously through you, because, let me tell you, I would love being in Madrid in the winter. Instead, I am in the winter places.

Brad Crowell 13:04
I’m in the winter places.

Lesley Logan 13:04
I’m in the places where winter happens. But I would, love that’s great. I mean, like, when I did that video, I was being conscious of, like, if I say, you do it outdoors, I’m gonna get someone say I can’t. It’s negative 21 degrees here, and it’s gonna be 115 here. So I have to, like, you know, be considerate, because some people just don’t feel seen. So you, my dear, are in the blessed space. We actually have a couple OPC members who also live in Spain, and they do their Pilates outside all year long. So please, rock on. Do it, but, but basically, when you’re doing Pilates outside, there’s just things to consider. You can check out that video we did on YouTube, because I’m not gonna list the exhaust, exhaustive list that I gave on there, but we just did Pilates in Cambodia, and something we have to consider is, like bugs, you know, rain. We can do it in the rain there, because we have a covered patio, but as long as the rain isn’t going sideways, which can happen, then we have these things that we bring down to make the walls. So it’s not so much water on the patio, but the mosquitoes don’t care, so we have to we have extra fans that like make it harder for them to land, you know. So there’s just things you want to think about when you’re doing Pilates outside, and I have blue eyes, it is really difficult for me to do outside Pilates when there’s no cover. I was doing, early in the spring, I was doing yoga outside in the morning, and it was fine, as long as I was in down dog, but the moment I came up, the sun was in my face, and I was like, well, this isn’t this is terrible. I need sunglasses, but you can’t do sunglasses. You can’t work out with sunglasses. So like you just it looks stunning. Just make sure you have things set up so that you’re not constantly distracted from your workout, about being outside. You know that’s all.

Brad Crowell 13:06
Love it.

Lesley Logan 13:06
If you have a question, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534, or submit them at beitpod.com/questions, where I would like you to send a win as well. I’m being demanding here. Come on. You have a win in your life. You do. You wanna know something, one of our retreaters would.

Brad Crowell 13:06
You wanna know something.

Lesley Logan 13:06
You wanna know something. One of our, one of our retreaters shared a win one day after our retreat. She said, I only said, I’m sorry two times. It was amazing. Like, if you walk around like, that’s a fucking win. Huge win. Instead of walking around, I’m sorry, I’m sorry, I’m sorry. Like, she just said, excuse me, and then when she needed to, she said, I’m sorry, and she’s like, oh, two times it was such a win. So those are the wins I want to hear. I don’t need to hear, like, I have my biggest launch ever. Okay, great. That’s wonderful. I’m super excited for you, and you can send that in, but like, there were little wins along the way. And if you don’t celebrate those you are, you’re unlikely to feel fulfilled for a long period of time. So send them in.

Brad Crowell 13:37
Yeah, I just looked up on our board we have a win.

Lesley Logan 13:37
Great.

Brad Crowell 13:37
I’m gonna read it.

Lesley Logan 13:37
Oh, okay, okay great.

Brad Crowell 13:37
Big win this week. This is from Jordan BB, I’ve neglected using my Wunda Chair for quite a while now. So I decided it was time to break out my Chair Flashcards. I started working through the order and whatever bits of time I had available each day, starting from the top of the deck each day to get to the to get the repetition. By the time I got to my second week, I started feeling connections in my body that the week previous, I couldn’t have even dreamed of. Exercises that felt impossible to move were actually moving. But even better, I felt more connected to myself. Super excited to add my Chair back into my regular rotation. Thank you, Lesley for the amazing flashcards.

Lesley Logan 16:32
I mean, I’m so grateful for you. And don’t click that off, Brad, because I’m going to say it on FYF so she can hear it on one of those episodes. But thank you like that is so freaking cool.

Brad Crowell 16:42
Great job, Jordan.

Lesley Logan 16:43
I just want another shout out to Jordan. She is also a listener who, when she discovered this podcast, went back to the beginning and listened to every single one.

Brad Crowell 16:51
Wow.

Lesley Logan 16:51
I know. So pretty big deal. Pretty amazing win. All right, Jordan, you’re amazing. I’ll put that in FYF so you’re gonna hear it twice, because what if she misses this episode? All right, let’s talk about John Mollura.

Brad Crowell 17:05
John Mollura. Okay, so stick around. We’ll be right back. We’re going to talk about John.

Brad Crowell 17:11
Welcome back. All right, let’s dig into this convo you have with John Mollura. John is a personal coach and keynote speaker who helps people move from fear and hesitation into confidence and action, which I love that. For 15 years he had he led test operations on NASA missions before stepping into a new chapter as an award winning photographer, with work featured in National Geographic. Today, he shares those experiences through coaching and his signature talk, Elite Level Confidence, giving people simple tools to build trust in themselves and take consistent action in their lives. Look, we, Lesley and I have, man, we connected with John three or four years ago now, and.

Lesley Logan 17:52
At least, he was in the hundreds. So.

Brad Crowell 17:54
Yeah, look, if you like to read newsletters, John’s newsletters are great. He really takes time to write enjoyable newsletters, and I read them.

Lesley Logan 18:05
You don’t read anything.

Brad Crowell 18:07
I don’t really read anything. So John’s newsletters are really fun. So I really like that. I feel like I’ve been along his journey with him, as he’s shifted from engineer to photographer to now being a speaker and a coach, so we’re really fired up for him. It’s been awesome to have him. He’s coming to speak to Agency, our coaching group multiple times, and his content is available for those who are members of Agency. And then we were like, hey, man, would you like to be back on the pod? And we got this epic episode. It’s like this episode felt like a mic drop moment on every chapter of the conversation that y’all, y’all were having, you know, talking about confidence, talking about perfectionism, talking about all these great things that, I, I literally listened to it twice. So.

Lesley Logan 18:58
I love that, that’s so good. Well, thanks for doing that. I mean, it’s so fun to have guests back and see where they’ve gone. Some people have gone further in the same lane. Some people have switched lanes. Some people have reversed and then rewound and, you know, like it’s and so he has switched lanes. But really it seems like it all aligns, because he, basically what I like that he said, which goes with what I’m just saying, is that he talked about, it’s being really important to be aware. Like, the more aware you are, it’s actually a really powerful thing and and it’s because when you have a seeker mindset, right? Like, that’s going to help you, when you have that curiosity, it’s going to help you in what you want to be and what you want to do. So clearly, he was in that seeking mode, that being aware mode, and that’s where he’s like, Oh, I’m a, I’m an award winning photographer, I’m a NASA engineer, but I actually really want, I’m feeling called, to do this thing over here and it lights me up, and that, you, just going to Gay Hendricks like, that’s his genius zone. Like, it would be so easy for him to it’s, it’s a what does Gay call it, like, your whatever. Like, there’s a zone of excellence, which is his photography, but his own genius is this. And I just really loved it. He also said, like, when you are being aware, it’s important that you don’t judge yourself with your awareness. Like, that’s where the critic lives. You like things you’ll say is like, well, that’s not gonna happen. Or, like, this is never gonna work. But instead, shifting into that seeker mindset and having awareness and curiosity.

Brad Crowell 20:23
Yeah, that, so, okay, this part, I thought, was really heartfelt, because he already in his adult life with kids and a wife changed from being a, I’m guessing, stable, high paying government job, where he’s an engineer for NASA, to an unstable, potentially high paying, but who knows, job of being a photographer. Now he happens to kick ass at being a photographer, you know, but he said, the engineering job, he quit. He started something else. He got another engineering job, then realized that still wasn’t the right answer. Then he started doing something that he found fulfilling. And then after a while, was like, this isn’t doing it either. And then decided to make us another change in his adult life. And he’s like, I honestly didn’t even want to tell my wife, because she’d already been on the journey with me getting out of being an engineer. And now I’m like, thought I was doing the thing I wanted to do, but I’m not feeling it, you know, it’s not actually the right thing for me. And and then, you know, and so he has, what I thought was really great, is you threw in there. Well, look, it was maybe we end up thinking that we need to do this thing for because we made the decision, right? For me, this really resonated with my decision to go to college for music, right? And I left. And then my whole time in Los Angeles, for the for the first decade I was there, I was like, I am a musician. That’s how I defined myself. It’s how I saw myself. I am in a band. I do perform. This is what I do. This is who I am. And when you started, when that started to shift and change and not be that anymore. I was like, well, what do I do now? You know, that I’m not, you know, can I do something else? Like, am I allowed? Because I felt (inaudible), I had literally spent $80,000 or whatever was going to college. I don’t even know. A lot of money, you know, going to college to be a musician, you know, am I, am I like, is it okay to not be a musician anymore? You know, while I still can think of myself as a musician today, that’s not my primary thing that I’m doing, but it was just one step along the way and and I think it’s okay for us to be making these changes in our lives. You know, my I never talked with my friend about this, but my high school buddy went to school to be an engineer, right? He went to Germany, he came back, he was doing all this really fancy engineering stuff, and then somewhere along the way, was like, I this isn’t it. And then he went back to school to be a doctor. Like, I was like, wait, you signed up for like, four more years of school after already going to, like four or five years of school. And, you know, now he’s a doctor, and I have to imagine he really likes it, or he wouldn’t keep doing it. But that is quite a path to jump from one to another, especially when the foundation to become a doctor again, you’re, you’re starting over, in a way, you know, so.

Lesley Logan 20:25
Yeah, I think that’s and I think that clearly in that instance, like, he must have had to be a seeker and not a judger in his like, well, this is gonna work. Oh my God, it’s four more years of school.

Brad Crowell 23:33
Judging himself.

Lesley Logan 23:39
Like, using himself, you know, or what like, and this is like, this is the hard part, right? Because when you share some things, it’s really, really important who you share stuff with. Like, I think sometimes some of you who are listening, you so badly want someone in your life’s love that you’re telling them the thing that you’re wanting to do, and they are not your cheerleader. It’s not because they are an asshole or trying to be an asshole, it’s that they are in the critic zone. And so you have to be mindful, like, who you’re sharing your dreams with, until you feel the muscle is very strong. And I don’t think that that was, like, why he didn’t want to share it with his wife, but we were very clear, like he was just was just like, now we’re starting all over again. But like, I do think that, like, there are, like, when we told my grandfather we’re in Cambodia, he’s like, it’s not safe there, right? And we’re like.

Brad Crowell 24:32
What’s he, like, all he’s doing is projecting his own fear.

Lesley Logan 24:34
His own fear, you know, and so, so just be mindful those of you who are listening, who are like, in the curious space, in the awareness space, and you’re feeling called, yes, you have excellent investments and other things you’ve done in your life, but you’re being called to do something else. Be mindful that you tell the friends who are like, fuck yeah, you should do that. The other people in your life, you’ll tell them when the muscle is a bit stronger, because I would just be afraid that their critic will come out and bring your critic to the party, and we don’t need that.

Brad Crowell 25:05
Well, I think, I think the high level here, you know, the conclusion of this thought is awareness plus curiosity is a win, right? Awareness plus curiosity, it enables progress, right? So no matter where you are in your life, no matter what projects you’re working on, if you have both awareness and curiosity, you will be able to move that ball forward. So love that. And speaking of your grandfather, that leads into what I really loved in a roundabout way, you’ll get, we’ll get there.

Lesley Logan 25:36
I can’t wait. I’m excited. I’m looking at these notes. Did you know, my grandfather?

Brad Crowell 25:41
I did. So the big three that John talked about, this was a whole nother chapter of the conversation, and this is where I kept saying, these are mic drop moments, you know? He said, hey, look, you know, it’s not even about perfection. It’s not even about procrastination. He said, in fact, there are the, these are the big three things that I talk about all the time, perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking. He said these three behaviors constantly derail us from doing the things that we want to do, or the things that we say are so important for us. And he said the thing that they’re like they don’t, all three of them share the same root. Okay, what are, what is the root of perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking?

Lesley Logan 26:22
Drum roll, please.

Brad Crowell 26:26
Fear. Right? And this is what your grandfather was, was applying. He was, he was projecting his fear on us. And that’s when, when you share something with someone, be cautious of that in the sense that they are, they know you really well. They love you. They want the best for you. And they are going to immediately, like, look at it and see what is the problem that that could happen here. And they’re going to push that out there and right? And that could be really deflating for you, especially if you aren’t yet, like you don’t yet have surety in the place you’re going, you’re feeling it out right, because that, like they don’t want you to be hurt or fail, or any of those things and fear is that that root, and it’s easy for that to blossom into these things, perfectionism, procrastination and overthinking. And he said, by understanding that fear is the root of these three people, can now get honest with ourselves and begin asking, what is it actually that I’m so scared of? What is it actually? I can’t remember who it was, but a couple weeks ago, we had another episode. She was a business coach.

Lesley Logan 27:37
Oh, Jill.

Brad Crowell 27:39
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was, I think it was her. She said, what am I afraid of? What’s the worst could happen. I could go bankrupt, right? And I was like, well, that’s a pretty big deal, you know? But for her, she was like, okay.

Lesley Logan 27:52
Jill Allen. Dr. Jill Allen.

Brad Crowell 27:52
Dr. Jill Allen, yeah she said, okay, I could go bankrupt. And it’s like, well, okay, but she acknowledged that, like, what am I so afraid of, if that’s the worst that could happen can that be overcome? Like, is that like, it doesn’t it’s not something to laugh at. But what if it do? What if it does happen?

Lesley Logan 28:10
I don’t know. Do I share this, like, my, I remember my trainer when I was, like, thinking of breaking up with my ex, and I was like, just like, not. He’s like, what are you afraid of? Like, I don’t. He’s like, you’re not gonna die. Like, he’s like, to me, the scariest thing, the thing that, like, the ultimate fear, is death. And you breaking up with him, you’re not gonna die. Like, in my situation, I’m sure that that’s not the same for other people, but in my I could, he would just let me walk away. And I was like, oh, I’m not gonna die. That is, that is I can do like, I love this question. I think it’s really important to reflect on and journal about

Brad Crowell 28:40
What am I so scared of? I remember being my first I just moved to L.A. and I had no money, and I got a job at this restaurant. It took me a week to get a job at a restaurant of where I walked around to, I don’t know, a dozen more, I don’t even know. I would evaluate the restaurant, see how busy they were at dinner, decide, could I make enough money here, and then, do I want to work here? Does this seem cool? And I would put in an application, and I went to all these different places, and I finally got this job, because I went back a second a third time, I really wanted to work at this restaurant. And I then I met these guys, and they offered me a job. And I called my best friend at the time and I said, hey, man, I’m thinking of doing this. And he I said, but I’m worried. I’m worried about, you know, like, they’re gonna pay me a salary, but I’ve, I’ve, I would be, I would have to give up my restaurant job. And he’s like, you can get another restaurant job. And I was like, oh, you’re right. Like, that’s so true.

Lesley Logan 29:37
Yes, yes, even in a shitty economy, there’s always an opportunity for something. It might not be, you know, it might not be the the restaurant job, but it would be a restaurant job like, you know, like, there’s just, there’s, there’s options.

Brad Crowell 29:52
Yeah, so I just thought that was really astute of John to take these three things, which we all have dealt with, struggled with in our lives, perfectionism, procrastination, overthinking, connect the dots that there’s fear is the root of these three things, and then how do we how do we lean into that? What are we so afraid of? What are we so afraid of?

Lesley Logan 30:18
Yeah, and your fears are allowed to be like, they could be legitimate fears. And then at least the power is removed when it has air, you know, like the power of fear is really removed when you just, like, put it out on the table. And at least then you can figure out, like, well, what would I do if that happened? You know, so I loved it. I loved, you know, John’s, we posted the tour, and we’ll be at Rehoboth Beach Delaware.

Brad Crowell 30:42
Yeah, it’s, it’s really close to where he lives.

Lesley Logan 30:45
I think it’s really close. I think we should finally fucking see him.

Brad Crowell 30:53
Yeah, yeah, it’s gonna be good.

Lesley Logan 30:57
John.

Brad Crowell 30:57
We’re calling you out, John, we’re calling you.

Lesley Logan 30:57
We’re gonna, we gotta talk.

Brad Crowell 30:57
We’re gonna call you.

Lesley Logan 30:53
We gotta talk about food. How about coffee. How about a happy hour?

Brad Crowell 30:57
Love it. All right. Well, stick around. We’ll be right back, because we’ve got some great Be It Action Items from John as well.

Lesley Logan 31:04
John, you can also text us. That’s fine too.

Brad Crowell 31:06
Yeah. All right, we’ll be right back.

Brad Crowell 31:10
Finally, let’s talk about those Be It Action Items. What are the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items that we could take away from your convo with John Mollura. He said, confidence is the ability to trust yourself. Confidence is the ability to trust yourself. Most of us are showing up for the person we’ve made a commitment to. Okay, I’ll pick you up at six. Okay, I’ll do the dishes. Okay, I’ll take the trash out, right? You’re committing to someone else. I’ll do my homework. I’ll do this thing, whatever. But we constantly let our own selves down. And it doesn’t seem like a big deal.

Lesley Logan 31:48
It is a humongous deal. You say you’re gonna go to bed at 9 pm and you don’t go to bed till 10, you are literally taking a drop out of the confidence bucket.

Brad Crowell 31:57
Yeah, and it’s subconscious. You might not be like, oh, can’t believe it. Oh, I didn’t go to bed at nine o’clock.

Lesley Logan 32:03
Please, please listen to the habits podcast, and don’t do that.

Brad Crowell 32:05
In your in in your belief you’re chipping away at the foundation of confidence that you have in yourself when you don’t uphold your own decisions to yourself, right? And you might not realize that that’s happening. But he explained the actual root cause of people’s lack of confidence is that they’re not showing up for themselves, and meaning that loss of self-trust because we consistently and continually break commitments we made to ourselves time and time again, that will it’s it’s fascinating, because John is an engineer first, so he still thinks and talks like an engineer, even though he’s very creative with photography and now working with his clients and coaching. But he started talking about data, you know, or the data, sorry, and so he said, he said, you why, why don’t we uphold these things to ourselves? Because we never have upheld these things to ourselves. But we can change that. We can rectify that by starting to keep these promises to ourselves. When you start to give your brain a new set of data to work with, instead of the old data of broken self-promises, right? So how do we do that? Small, consistent actions that aren’t a big thing, but over time, they add up to I am consistent. I do this thing. I do wake up, you know, earlier. I do go all the things that we say we want to go do, but we don’t uphold we don’t do them. Why don’t we follow through? It’s because we never have. Well, we can change that by making these small decisions, day by day.

Lesley Logan 33:38
Agreed. I loved these, he gave us some questions, and this is really fun thing for you to journal upon. It said, when making conscious decisions on honor one’s future self, one must ask, is what I’m going to do or not do going to cause me to be a hero to the future me? I love this like I love this. I look back at the the me in 2013 who made that big decision, go, I’m a fucking hero to myself, like, I thank God I fucking did that when I did it, because my whole life was like the domino effect of like, everything that I wanted. So yes, right? The goal is to ensure that when you meet your future self, you are not staying there tired and disappointed because you failed to go after it. Like if you ever said, oh, by this date, I want to have X thing. And then you didn’t do anything, and then you got to that day like, I wanted to be over here by now. Well, the effort thing, it’s not like I have missed dates on goals that I was working towards. And there’s a difference between actually working towards something and the deadline is further than you thought, than not doing anything at all, and getting to the deadline,

Brad Crowell 34:47
I think, I mean, I was thinking about goal setting and all that kind of stuff. Like, okay, this, this quarter in business, we’re gonna do $100,000 and you, you know, work, work, work, and you make only $60,000 but it was more than you’ve ever made before. It doesn’t mean that you like didn’t make that you didn’t keep a promise to yourself.

Lesley Logan 35:09
Right. Well, were you, were you the person who could like, did the effort you put towards it, could it have been $100,000 if the stars had aligned? Then, then you should, whatever you land with you should celebrate, because the person that you made yourself be to do those things is the goal, is the journey, right? Is the hero. So the action should result in you high fiving yourself and saying, thank you for honoring me. Thank you for doing that, that the thing in that moment. He also said, you can call him. You guys, I have not like, that’s insane, free calls. And he also gave some free resources over on his site, on johnnmollura.com, that’s John with an H-N-N.

Brad Crowell 35:10
Yeah, J-O-H-N-M-O-L-L-U-R-A dot com, johnmollura.com.

Lesley Logan 35:49
Yeah. So check those out. I love it. John, you’re such an inspiration. Thank you for sharing your journey with us and the Be It Till You See It babes. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 36:06
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 36:07
Thanks for joining us. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Tag John. Tell us. Send this to a friend who needs to hear who needs to be a hero in their life, and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 36:17
Bye for now.

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Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music and our branding by designer and artist Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell
Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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