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In this episode you will learn about:
• Making transitions are scary AF
• Limiting beliefs
• Personal development
• Intentional manifestation
• Being open to receive
• How life transitions are so key – Learning from the Journey
• Changing neural pathways

References/Links:
• Katie Miller-Kerner on IG: https://www.instagram.com/ktmillerkerner/

Transcript

Lesley Logan
Hey you, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for letting me have a moment of your time in your very busy life. I know that there’s so much you could be doing, so much agree and listening to when you chose to listen to this. And I really am so grateful. I’m so grateful. And if you have any questions, you want to continue on a conversation, you want to share a takeaway, please check me out on be_it_pod on Instagram. So it’s b e, and then there’s a fancy little underscore i t a little fancy underscore pod, p o d. But if you decide to be it pod, it will come up. You know, tag me and your takeaway from a podcast. And also it’s we can, it’ll end up in the DMs and I can chat with you or you can just hit me up in the DMs and chat with me. Tell me what you’re working on what, what’s causing you to not be able to be it because that’s going to help me figure out our next guest to help you Be It Till You See It. And this week’s guest is Katie Kerner Miller. And she and I met a couple years ago, y’all she, I remember meeting her and we are both in a very similar place in our life, but different. She is like literally helped train women to do like physique championships. And she was one in like, just gorgeous, blonde, such soft spokenness, but she really believed that there was more that she wanted to do, because she really wanted to stop women basically not having self-love, she wanted them to have self–love. So she went on this journey to really figure out and deep dove into self development and and in doing that, she found a way that she could help more women truly love themselves. And she also is a hypnotist which is like freaking awesome. So we talked a lot about that and how it helped her make a move to Denver and so there’s a manifestation in here. There’s some mantra talking here. And then there’s also just the power of what it can happen sooner than you think when you have a clarity around what it is that you want to be in this world. So dive in, check out Katie there’s some information where you can find her in the show notes. She is an amazing human. You will love checking out her posts on Instagram. They are inspiring and thoughtful. And yeah, so here we go after this brief message.

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Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and business fitness coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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EPISODE

Lesley Logan
All right, everyone. We’ve got Katie here, Katie Miller-Kerner. I’m so excited to see, well you’re all not seeing her unless you’re watching on YouTube. I’m seeing her face. We met a couple years ago, almost a couple years ago now in a mastermind and I was so drawn to her. Because you, you were definitely in a transition like you were really successful doing what you’re doing. But you really felt called to change that. And you and I had a very similar issue that we were so busy doing the thing that we were doing that we couldn’t really do the other thing and so I’m excited to chat with you about what you’re doing now. How you got there and and all the things that Katie Miller-Kerner tell everyone a little about yourself.

Katie Miller-Kerner
Yeah, thank you, Lesley. I’m so excited to be here. I was getting ready today. And I was like thinking about that. Those pictures were taking on the rooftop, the master mind. And I was just like, I’m so excited to just like kind of see her face again and talk with her but… Hello, everybody, I’m obviously, I’m Katie. Lesley introduced me and I am a, I like to call myself a self-love coach. But it’s basically what most people know it as is kind of like a life coach. I blend, a little bit of business, but it’s more about the energies behind business. Because if you’re constantly going through these patterns, and you don’t know what’s holding you back and your subconscious mind, it’s going to keep repeating itself. And so I blend that with business strategy. If people you know, want that help, sometimes it just helped people who have anxiety. I’m also a clinical hypnotist, which I am obsessed with because it changed my whole life. And I’m sure we’ll get a little bit more into that as well. Yeah, that’s basically what I’m doing in a nutshell.

Lesley Logan
I love this because I mean, we can talk about it because it’s if people go through your Instagram, they’re gonna see you are a fitness instructor, like totally fitness health person. And, and I and you’ve transitioned to this hypnosis and I couldn’t suit you better, like, absolutely love the journey that you went on. I think so many people are see themselves in a role. And they’re probably they could they could be very successful in this role. But they’re feeling called to change. And it’s that it’s a little daunting, like, I mean, I’m sure you can look back at that time when you’re transitioning and that daunting time to go from fitness instructor super successful to, “Okay, I’m a self-love coach. I use hypno… hypnotism.” What was going through your mind when you were making, trying to make that transition? And, and what what made it easier for you to do that?

Katie Miller-Kerner
Yeah, oh, my gosh, thank you for bringing this up. Because I think it’s, it’s you don’t see this on social media, you know, and these are the conversations that people need to hear. Because it’s making a transition is scary. Can I swear on here, by the way?

Lesley Logan
You can, you can swear. Yeah.

Katie Miller-Kerner
All right. It’s scary as fuck to make a transition. And it’s, like, you don’t know, like, it’s not predictable. And, you know, I, when I started working through my own limiting beliefs, and I discovered personal development, I’m like, there’s so much more here. And basically, it became an addiction, this personal development. And that’s why eventually I became a life coach. And I’m like, I want to help people make, like, make them feel how I felt, you know, just up-leveling. But I had a limiting belief that I couldn’t be successful out of fitness. And that was like, rooted deeply rooted from my childhood, like, I got lucky, I had a beautiful childhood, my parents are amazing. But I got love and attention through athletics, I was a star athlete, my whole life, anything I did, I could pick it up super easy. And I was praised for that. And so that kind of led me into a career path down that. And so once I did the subconscious work, you know, the limiting beliefs, and really getting rid of this on a subconscious level through hypnosis and time techniques, I was able to release that and fully just make that pivot. So what was going through my head, I was scared as hell. But I was just putting one foot in front of the other one thing led to another, you know, I, I make a friendship, they recommend this book, this book leads me down a rabbit hole. And then I find a podcast through… you know, it’s just one foot in front of the other.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I think, um, I think that curiosity is like one of the best things. And also, I can totally relate, you know, I still do teach Pilates. But I remember, I remember, like, even transitioning, it took me a long time to transition to just being fully online. And it didn’t need to, because I was holding on to, “Well, there’s so much other competition out there.” You know, like with the stories we tell ourselves, and the pandemic, when the pandemic happened is 50% virtual, 50% in person. And when the pandemic hit I was like, “Well, this is what you wanted!” And it’s so funny, because, like, in one in like, one hour, I transitioned everything and what didn’t transition, I was like, well, that wasn’t gonna transition anyways. And it’s just really funny how we can like, build something up to be a little bit bigger than it is because in our head, it is, and it is so scary. But most of us listening to this are not brain surgeons. We’re not. It’s not… the decisions we make are not actually life and death. And I think by going through that self development rabbit hole, you know, you start to realize you hear these things, and you start to say them to yourself, and you’re like, “Oh, yeah, no, I can do, I can do that.” And, you know, I love that you brought up your childhood, I think, I think a lot of people probably, you know, if they look back at their childhood, now that they’re a little older, and maybe not like in those teenage 20 year old years, like my parents did this, to me, it’s like, on average, most people’s parents are the best they could. And you know, now we’re doing this on parenting thing. And I too, like, got so much, like, so much of what I got was like affirmation in when I was successful. And when I like got a new role, or I got promoted to first base like, and I was first chair and like, all these things, and in the band, which is kind of crazy that I ever did that. And so you know, if I’m not first, then is it like is anyone going to notice is anyone going to care? So I totally understand that. I want to chat, like… So, you recently moved. We both have moved, you’ve moved a little sooner than I did. What what what did that move represent? Because I feel like you, you did a lot to make that move really powerful for yourself.

Katie Miller-Kerner
Yeah. And I was gonna say something about, oh, yeah… So before I, I touch on that, I just want to, I think it’s so cool because we are both in that space of transition when we met each other. (Lesley: Yeah.) And so I’ve seen it raw with you. And like, now you’re, it’s just super cool. But, um, and I’m, I’m just so happy for you. But, um, with this move, and it so… before I moved, it’s when I discovered intentional manifestation, like, we are all like, like, master manifesters. We’ve been manifesting everything, our life, but when you learn how to intentionally manifest, I was like, like, mind blown, like, I can have whatever I want. And so that represented my first intentional big manifestation. And it was crazy, like my husband and I always wanted to move to Denver or Colorado, and we didn’t know how, cuz he’s in corporate. And so, and I was half, a half in-person, half online as well. And so I mean, that was obviously a little bit easier. But he was like, I’m just gonna, he was starting his job. And he’s like, I’m just gonna get so good, where they allow me to work remote. But he wasn’t quite there in his career yet. And we did so many different things. Like, I changed all my passwords to like Colorado and like the age I wanted to, like, be here by I, I like would say, every morning in my journal, I’m so grateful for waking up to the mountains every morning. And like my husband, and I would talk like it was a certain thing, not like… we’d be like, “Oh, when we moved to Colorado, like, let’s get a new couch,” like, we didn’t know. And then he comes home one day, and he was like, “This is the craziest thing…” He was like, “This Denver company wants to buy a portion of my company.” And, and he was new. So like, if that was the crazy part, but he was new. So like, they were going to send someone out there, but it wasn’t going to be him. But he kept pushing and pushing and pushing, and ended up being him. So we moved here. And it really was like a joint effort between my husband and I, it was cool.

Lesley Logan
Okay, this is amazing. I love this so much because it’s so true. Like I do think I think people don’t think their manifesters, but they don’t realize it’s because sometimes they’re manifesting the things they don’t want, because that’s where they’re putting their energy and focus, like, “I don’t want this to happen,” or, “I don’t want to end up alone,” right? Don’t I don’t want to do this. Like, like, that’s where they’re manifesting, but they’re not manifesting what they actually want to happen. And I love, I love that you went to the effort of changing your passwords, like that is like commitment, but also just think about every time you have to put a password in like, that means like, you’re always… it’s like you’re always thinking about it, right? Instead of just having like a post it by your desk or something that you get, like ignore, it’s like, no, I gotta type my password in. So it’s got to be this right? I think that’s so cool. Also, you know, for people who are in relationship who think like, oh, can’t do that, because like, my partners in corporate or he’s got this really good job. It’s like, well, if both of you want something together, then like you nev… like you can’t, you have to let the universe surprise you a little bit with your… but you have to let them know what you want. You know, and so I’m not to get super woo. But like, Brad and I both wanted to move to Las Vegas, we wanted to have space, we wanted to this, we sat down and we like literally dreamt up what each room in our house would would represent what we would do in it. And we put down we were like we want to move this summer, that was the goal. And I said I want to move by June 1st, I was like I cannot, I cannot live here anymore. And like, you can’t just – anyone knows who bought a house – you actually can’t buy a house in nine days. There’s like steps to go through. But um, but in our in our unique, unique situation. And we saw the house and nine days later, we’re moving in, and this is our house. And, um, and so I really, I really do believe like anything is possible by dates, if you like are fully all in and you’re not letting anything hold you back. And I remember, we drove out here on Memorial Day in May. And we looked at houses and we cried in the Whole Foods because we’re like, this is supposed to be the dream. And none of these houses represent like, like we had, like we have to have the music slash podcast room. There has to be a room for the Pilates studio. There’s a guest room and there’s office and then there’s our room. And we’ve got to look at these houses and yeah, they had all the rooms, but like, none of them would fit what we needed, right? And, and… but we refused to believe that, that like was it. We drove to the part of Vegas that actually made us want to move here. And we were sitting there and this girl looks at us and she’s like we’re talking about how we’re looking at a house and she’s like, “Ah, okay, I’m too young to buy this house. But this is my dream house. If you buy it, you have to let me be your assistant. So that I can come visit this house,” right? This is a random girl, probably on drugs, but like sent from the universe for sure. And she, she comes. And she shows us this house and it looks like Palm Springs, it looks like exactly the kind of houses we wanted. But we didn’t want to live in California anymore. And so we actually, we didn’t buy her house. But we did look in the neighborhood that her house was in. And that’s how we found this house. And three days later, we were like, like getting a virtual tour of this house. And then we moved in.

Katie Miller-Kerner
Yeah, oh my gosh, that’s amazing. That just reminds me of like, being open to receive, like, you could have just said like, screw it, like, you know, and you’re like being open to like, receive, like, meeting that girl. Her telling you about this neighborhood. So that’s super cool.

Lesley Logan
I think that’s, I think that’s a really an interesting thing that you bring up. And I think a lot of people have trouble receiving. I don’t know, maybe you’re in the self-love business, like do you think, um, where do you think that comes from? Or do you think that’s a common thing that people feel like they have to do it themselves, so they can’t receive help from others?

Katie Miller-Kerner
I think like, people just get so caught up like, like being open to receive as part of just like relaxing into it and like looking for different opportunities. And they just get so caught up in their goal, that they’re not being… I don’t know if this is really answering… Like being open to receive money is like a good, is a good example. Like, maybe you’re expecting money to come in this way. But maybe it comes in with five of your current current clients resigning. You know what I mean? But you were looking for five new clients, but actually, you know, you receive the money that way instead, and that’s just being open receiving, like, “Hey, do you want to continue coaching?” You know, kind of thing. So, and you can apply that to any point of your life like, I just see that so like, visible with you. It’s like you guys could have like said quits, like, while you were crying and Whole Foods or wherever you said you were.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, no, I mean, we went to Whole Foods to get some food. And, and because we’re like, “Okay, we know Whole Foods. This would be our neighborhood Whole Foods.” And we were just like, “This is not even like our neighborhood Whole Foods,” and, “What is this and what’s happening here?” And, um… but, it’s true. Like, we we didn’t call it quits, and we kept going. And, and I think that’s, um, that’s true for a lot of people is that like, sometimes they hit the obstacle, and they take it as the sign that this isn’t the thing. Like, you know, your your husband could have been like, “Oh, I’m still new.” And they said, “No, I can’t have it.” He could have just stopped but instead he like, kept going and kept looking for a way. I think that’s, that’s, you know, I think we sometimes we just quit too soon or we close our mind off to other ideas because we get so set on the one way like you said. When it came… like, now that you’re fully, you know, self-love coaching and him it’s like doing your hypnotism. What was like, what was… Can you describe it a little bit like what it was like to… did you quit fitness, altogether? Did you transition slowly? What did you do? And are you glad you did it that way? Or like looking back would you have changed anything?

Katie Miller-Kerner
Yeah, so I did a transition and for my personal journey, it was everything. Because I needed to become the person that could be like a really good self-love coach. So I was like bodybuilding coaching because I’m a retired professional, like, bikini competitor. So I was like, that’s how I started my business. And that’s where like the booming like success came from originally. And then I was like, “This is so dumb,” like, “I’m so over bodybuilding.” Like, “Let’s do something, like, lifestyle.” And so that was called the Fit And Free Lifestyle Method. It blended personal development with like, more lifestyle fitness. And that was like, that was my income, like my business for like, two years and like, literally like, and then I started, people started reaching out and asking me, like, I had always felt like, I was jealous of my friends who were doing self-love coaching or like life coaching. And I was like, why am I so jealous? I’m like, it’s because I knew I could do it. And so people started reaching out and asking for just mindset coaching. And I was like, it was just like, kind of overwhelming response. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I guess this is my sign. And it was weird. It was kind of like I know Like, this is gonna sound super like woowoo. But like, I know, I was some sort of life coach or speaker in a past life because it was just like a knowing. And I started offering it. It was called mindset coaching before I officially got like my five certifications. And it’s like just crazy the amount of stuff I knew, before I officially got certified, I look back, I’m like, how did I know all of this? But yeah, that was kind of the transition. And I needed to learn all the lessons to have those lessons to give to my clients, kind of thing.

Lesley Logan
I love that. I think oftentimes, we want we want so badly to get there faster, you know, and like, I’m all I’m all about Being It Till You See It, for sure. But I think sometimes we’re like trying to get there so fast, that we miss out on the life that actually is going to lead you to being the version of yourself that’s supposed to be there. You know, so I think thank you for highlighting that, because, it’s, it’s really true. I remember, when I was in, I think it was like the sixth grade. And I like I so badly wanted to get out of like, I just was in as a child, I was like, I am an adult and I need out of this. This is not this is not where I’m supposed to be. I grew up in a really small town, I’m like, I don’t fit here. I don’t belong here. Like this is something about this is really wrong. Obviously, all of that was to help me realize like, what who I am now which is like making sure people feel like they belong. And and I read the story and it was about a little boy who got this like lucky string. And if you pulled on the string, it would like skip ahead. So he like pulled on and he skipped a couple grades and then he pulled on any skip a couple more years and he pulled up. And all of a sudden he like anytime we got he was like oh, I really want to be there. I want to be that and he kept pulling out he got to where he wanted to be. He got ahead like so many years. And but he didn’t experience any of the life that led them there and like so I think it’s I think it’s really cool of you to highlight that, like the transition was so key. Because it made you learn the lessons you needed to be the best version of what you’re doing right now. Okay, I’m sure everyone is wanting to know about hypnotism because I know that any hypnotism I saw, I have a friend who does hypnotism so I do now know that it’s not about like making people quack and bark like a dog and do funny things on a stage. But can you can you kind of go into like why someone would do hypnotism and like, what did that is because I’m sure curiosity is really peaking for people.

Katie Miller-Kerner
Yeah, I love it. So hypnosis, like it like, it blew my mind. Like I had been trying to hit this income goal for so many years. In my business, I’d be like $50 away, literally, like it was a subconscious thing. $200 away, $500 away, whatever, super close. But I could just never hit it. So that was a limiting belief. And within, I think I was using my custom hypnosis for 15 days, and I hit the goal. So that’s bizarre to me. I was like, I’ve been like, since I was running my business in like way, many years before. But basically, it’s… So to change a neural pathway there’s a few things that have to happen. So, repetition is one thing. So like when people use gratitude and affirmations, that’s great. That’s a great way to supplement your journey. But you need to repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat for a long time to actually change that neural pathway. With hypnosis, you can get there much faster. So our brainwaves right now are probably in beta, maybe gamma, which is like a heightened perception, probably beta. But in hypnosis, it takes the brainwaves down to theta. So that is right when you wake up. And right before you fall asleep, your brainwaves are in there. So your brain is more suggestible. That’s why all these like personal development gurus, they want to tell you to, first thing in the morning, meditate, because your brain is more suggestible. It just kind of strips the logical mind a little bit, we can implant some suggestions, and you will act on them because the subconscious mind as you probably know, is approximately 95% of our actions. And so that’s the value in hypnosis. Like, why wouldn’t you want to implant suggestions, like, direct? It’s, it’s a, it’s a direct conversation with your subconscious mind. You can’t do that right now. I can’t have a direct conversation with your subconscious mind right now unless I put you through a, you know the phase where I take you down into hypnosis. I talk a lot with myself anyway.

Lesley Logan
I love it. Anyone listening, her hands are wild and crazy. But don’t worry, the YouTubers will be able to see it because I, I’m a hand-talker and I have to be really careful because I have rings and like, I hit things. So this is, I love this so much because we, I’ve talked about this on the podcast before with people like it, our subconscious mind is also really maleable. But it does take so much repetition, because it doesn’t also forget those other things that you have to do this and, and so there’s a lot of studies on hypnosis, and then I have a friend who’s a doctor, and there’s like a bunch of things on ketamine, and like micro dosing, which is a whole other thing. And both I feels like hypnosis, like the ketamine can, can speed up that process of changing the pathways, the way we think things through so that it’s not this like constant mantra, saying thing, that is hard to do when, like, you are in it, and you’re in that limiting belief. So, how, so when you do something when you put someone in hypnosis, is it like an hour, like half hour like? And then how are they are they hypnotizing themselves afterwards? Like, what’s the… what’s the thing?

Katie Miller-Kerner
Yeah, so first, I want to say you’re in, you’re complete… 100% awake, in hypnosis, even though your body will be like, the cool thing about it is when I take someone through hypnosis, and when I’ve been through hypnosis, you don’t feel any different than a deep meditation. But when I pull you out of it, you’re going to be like, “Wow, my body is more relaxed than it’s ever been in an awake state.” You’re in full control, there’s no, it’s not entertainment, it’s nothing like you see on stage. And so it depends. So I’ve developed like my own practice within my certification. So I use my certification plus my knowledge, um to kind of create a custom hypnosis experience. And one is yes, getting suggestions. But like, the other one is using something called time techniques to release and it’s crazy. When you strip the logical mind, you can get to the root of the problem. So I can ask my client, when they’re not in hypnosis, what are your limiting beliefs that are coming to the surface, they can tell me some. And then the next session, I’ll take them through hypnosis and ask them what their limiting beliefs are. And they’re completely different. And they know exactly where it came from. So it’s just, it’s super cool.

Lesley Logan
That is something that’s so cool, because I, like, my therapist is like a somatic leadership coach as well. And so a lot of my therapy is because it’s my limiting beliefs, my own leadership skills. And then but we always do some stuff, we drop into something, it’s like, more relaxing, because she’ll go, she’s like, “Okay, well, you know, where do you think this is coming from?” And I’m like, “I don’t know. That’s why I’m here. That’s why I’m paying you a lot of money.” Like, “You tell me where it’s coming from…” Well, that’s my response. I’m like, “Girl, that’s not gonna work.” But um, but now you knows since that first time I’m like, “Look, I don’t know, I don’t want to… I need to… I don’t… Honestly, in not like I don’t care. I just need to get to the root of the problem so I can start solving it, cuz holding me back.” And she does a lot of work, not hypnotism specifically, but really trying to figure out like, where in the body do I feel it? Where is that? And like, Where’s the time? And I feel like, that’s really helpful. But I feel like hypnotism in a way could really… I mean, like you said, you did it – in two weeks you hit your money goal. So like, it’s like, you’re still going about figuring out what the problem is. You’re not covering up your to solve it much faster, and getting over it much faster, which I think like, it’s, I mean, who doesn’t want to expand time? And that way?

Katie Miller-Kerner
Yeah. So I never answered your question. But like, the induction phase that I do is probably about 15 minutes, and then whatever I decide to facilitate after, could range from 10 to like, maybe 40 minutes. So it’s, it’s just a custom thing. I’m gonna say, like, just like, forgot my train of thought, before…

Lesley Logan
Like, while it comes back to you so so when people when people work with you, or when they work with it, and it is, and it does what you do? Is it like, they come regularly or they do it once and then they like do it on their own. Can you hypnotize yourself? Like I don’t know.

Katie Miller-Kerner
Yeah, so I’m actually creating a custom hypnosis track for my next goal. I’ve been like (Lesley: Cool) kind of figuring it out. It’s different. So I have one client who’s really trying to release these limiting beliefs and get to the root of them. And we’re like, she’s getting like her… The things that we’re pulling this surface are very abstract. So I’m just kind of recording them and trying to like link things together. So that is like a series like, every other week, she comes like, and I kind of like take her through that. But most people they want an achievable outcome. So we’ll do two: release and then suggest suggestions implanted.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I think this is really so… because, I believe that you know, like you’ve done it, like you changed your passwords, you journaled that you were waking up to the mountains. Like, that is believing, Being It Till You See It, like 100%. But I think a lot of people can go, “Yeah, Les, I like totally hear you. You keep saying it. But what about this?” Or, “I’ve got this.” Or, “You, don’t…” You know, “You don’t… this is happening.” And that’s like all these limiting beliefs. And so I do think that like hypnotism could be this awesome way for people to get the limiting beliefs out of the way so that they can Be It Till They See It which is super, super cool. I love this so much. Okay. So Katie, before I ask you, um, how people can… like, some steps that you have for people to Be It Till They See It, where can people follow you? You know, find you, dm you all that stuff?

Katie Miller-Kerner
Yeah, so I am the most active on Instagram of course, probably like everybody. My Instagram name is a K. The letter K, the letter T, Miller Kerner after so ktmillerkerner.

Lesley Logan
Perfect. Everyone, please check her out, follow her. I love her posts, you learn so much in a post from her and you’ll be definitely inspired. Alright, so I, I truly believe that. You know, people can be inspired. And they can be like, Okay, cool. She went from fitness and like thriving to now she’s a self-love coach, and a hypnotist. And you did it in like a couple of years. So it’s that’s actually not a long time. But you know, the inspiration is enough. But like transformation is why I’m really about. So what’s a tip that you would a tip or two that you’d suggest that people could do right now?

Katie Miller-Kerner
Yeah, so something I’m really leaning into lately is writing down a goal that you have, this could be a short term goal, or a long term goal. So let’s say I don’t, I don’t even know. So let’s say your goal is to pivot and your career. Kind of like, you know, making it relevant to this podcast, I’d say your your goal is to pivot in your career. And then you’d write that down. And then ask yourself, or do I believe I can have this, your logical mind says, Yes, keep digging, does your body tense up anywhere, as you say, yes. And then take note of that, where did it tense up, and then write down the thoughts, the beliefs that came up. “But I can’t be successful in a different industry.” And then I want you to invalidate that belief. Katie, made a pivot, you could you could use me to invalidate that belief that you don’t think you can be successful in a different industry. Katie made a pivot from this podcast, made a pivot, and she was, you know, just as successful as she was in fitness, and use other people. Or maybe you made a pivot in something that had nothing to do with your career. But maybe you were like a lacross player, and you switch to swimming, and you were just as good. So you use that to invalidate or invalidate your beliefs that are coming up, and then continue to work through them.

Lesley Logan
Oh, I love this. Oh, I love this because so many people are like, “Okay, put your goals down where you can see them,” you know, and even like the next thing could be like, ok, what are the next first, like, the first three steps towards this, but Ooh, like, asking yourself if you believe it, and then noticing where you hesitated or tensed up or took a pause or maybe what, like what part of you isn’t… and then invalidate that negative, that negative thought, so that and you can just keep doing that. And, and you’ll probably.. And that will be a one way to get to the root of it, because I’m sure there’s some repetitive thoughts that come through. So cool. Katie, thank you so much. It’s so good to catch up with you. That’s what’s so fun about the podcast and like I can just talk to friends that I haven’t seen in a while, and also get to know them, get to know what they’re doing so well. I get to be in Colorado really soon. So hopefully, I can see you when I’m there. And we can do teasers on a rooftop again, everyone please do as a humongous favor make sure that you let me know what your takeaways were screenshot this podcast share it tag us both tag @be_it_pod and @ktmillerkerner, right? And, and let us know share it with your friends who need to hear it because that is how other people can Be It Till They See It. Thank you everyone for being here and I’ll see you soon.

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Lesley Logan
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