Mastering Brand Identity

Ep. 256 with Rory Vaden

“Everyone’s so worried about the width of their reach, they forget about the depth of their impact.”

Rory Vaden

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Rory Vaden, a renowned expert on the psychology of influence, is a New York Times bestselling author, Hall of Fame Speaker, and an 8-Figure Entrepreneur. With an MBA and the real-world expertise from founding five multi-million dollar ventures, he stands as a trusted voice in both media and business circles. As the Co-Founder of Brand Builders Group, Rory and his wife, AJ Vaden, lead the global forefront in Personal Brand Strategy. They assist mission-driven messengers in magnifying their impact and monetizing their personal brand. With a diverse clientele, they’ve guided names like Lewis Howes, Amy Porterfield, and Tom and Lisa Bilyeu, equipping both seasoned experts and budding entrepreneurs to convert their reputation into revenue.
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Dive deep with Rory Vaden, renowned speaker and entrepreneur, as he reveals the pivotal role of service in shaping his success journey. Discover the transformative power of purposeful service and the secrets to finding your unique brand DNA.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • How service can be the key to driving success.
  • Steps to create a successful framework for personal branding.
  • How focused effort can help you break free from obscurity.
  • Discovering the real reasons behind most failures.
  • How to offer service that surpasses mere self-interest.
  • Learning to see money as a secondary outcome of genuine service.

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Rory Vaden: The only way you get wealthy is helping other people. Money is a direct, a direct result, and a direct byproduct of how many people you have helped. Like, how many people have bought a computer and used Microsoft Office? Right? That’s why Bill Gates is super duper rich. How many people use Amazon? And how many times have they use it? And how? How convenient has that made your life? That’s why Jeff Bezos is super rich, like the your wealth. And what I would say is you should look at it the opposite of going I shouldn’t feel bad for charging, it’s going, if I’m not making enough money, it means I’m not helping enough people. Or I’m not helping enough people in a deep enough way.



Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.


Lesley Logan
All right, Be It Babe. Oh, okay. It’s not very often that I get to share one of the important people in my life who helped me do the things that I do with all of you. And it’s not, it’s not for any other. There’s not any reason. But I have been wanting this person on the pod since it started. And and then I was able to make some magic happen and their teammates and magic happen. And we got this amazing interview for you to hear and y’all are going to want to slow down so you can listen to every word of our guest today, Rory Vaden, co founder of Brand Builders Group, dear friend to Brad and I, and someone who’s the mission he has been on has definitely allowed us to continue our mission and impact as many lives as we can. And we want to, and that’s why this podcast exists. So thank you for being here and listening because you, you’re who we do this for and you’re about to listen to the person who helped me do this. So Rory Vaden is here and again, slow down so you can listen all the words, he says, you’re gonna write some things down, you’re gonna hit some rewinds you’re probably gonna want those quote cards that our team’s gonna do, because there’s so many great questions for you to ponder. So many great thoughts for you to think about. When you get stuck. These are going to get you unstuck so hit today on this episode, and now here’s Rory Vaden.

All right, Be It babe. I’m so excited. This man has been in my life longer than he probably knows. I’ve been following him for a while. I listened to many of his talks before I got to actually formally work with him, Rory Vaden from Brandbuilders Group. Thank you so much for being here. Can you tell everyone who you are and why you rock?

Rory Vaden 14:23
Oh, thank you, Lesley. Well, it’s such an honor to be here. I am the co founder of Brandbuilders Group. So we are a personal brand strategy firm. And so we help mission driven messengers to become more well known. So we specifically work with experts and entrepreneurs, all the way from some of our clients are people like Lewis Howes and Amy Porterfield and Ed Mylett and Jasmine Star and Peter Diamandis and Eric Thomas, ET the hip hop preacher, which is a small percentage of our audience, but they’re pretty well known folks. All the way to someone who would just say as an aspiring mission driven messenger, they, they have a calling, they feel like they have a message they want to get out to the world or a product they want to create. But they don’t really know how to get people to find them. And they sometimes feel nervous about, how do I get people to find me? And how do we get people to buy? So we’re going to help you become wealthy and well known and make a huge impact along the way.

Lesley Logan 15:25
Yeah, well, you know, I’m all about that. I love that. I think it’s, I think making making the impact is obviously what everybody wants, but also getting paid to make that impact is important. Because then you can do a lot more with that money, you can take care of the people you love, you can take care of people, you can always want to help. So I think it’s amazing. Rory, this is not the first thing you’ve been doing in your life. You did a lot before. Before this, what was your journey to getting into where you are now? Like, was it? Did you? Did you kind of fall into this? Like, how did you kind of get to where you’re like, Oh, we’re gonna help people spread their message?

Rory Vaden 15:59
Well, yeah. So I was raised by a single mom, who sold Mary Kay. And which means that I know more about makeup than I do about cars, and all things, I’m all things feminine, anything outside is outside my comfort zone. Anything inside makes me happy. And so we didn’t grow up with a lot. And I’ve always been fascinated with success. From the time that I was very, very young. And I, when I was in sixth grade, I was attending a you know, I was at Platt Middle School, PMS, this is a true story. I went to PMS. That is, that was my middle school. And they brought this this speaker into the gymnasium one day. And this guy was so inspiring and so funny. But he told this awful story about like, how his brother got murdered, and he went to jail, and all of his friends were getting shot, because they were in drugs and doing all these awful things. And, you know, the point was, like, make good choices. And I thought, you know, there were two things I thought to myself, I thought, one, man, what if someone actually made good choices their whole life? Where would they end up? And the second was, I thought, What a cool job. I wonder how you get to be that guy. And so then lastly, when I was in high school, I was like on Student Council, and we had the budget, we control the budget for like the student programming, and we hired somebody to come and we paid this guy $1,000 to come speak, like three times in the gymnasium. And it blew my mind that somebody would get paid $1,000 to speak for an hour. And pretty much right there. I was like, This is it. This is what I’m going to do with the rest of my life. I’m going to be a speaker, I’m going to go places, I’m going to make people laugh, I’m going to inspire them, and they’re going to pay me to do it. But I had no idea how I had I had no idea. You know, where do you learn how to do this? What does it take?

Lesley Logan 18:00
Yeah, I mean, like back then not to like, like our ages, but like an elder millennial, couldn’t look these things up on the internet.

Rory Vaden 18:08
No, it wasn’t like your guidance. There’s not like there’s not like a career for professional speaker or messenger or like author, you know, that came. So you know, I joined a direct sales company when I was in college. And the only reason I wanted to become a top producer was so that I could speak at their annual event. And so I did that. And then I heard about this contest called the World Championship of public speaking. And it was put on by this organization called Toastmasters, which is still very alive and well. And they every year they have a contest where 25,000 people from 90 countries compete for a chance to be called the world champion. And I thought, maybe if I won the world championship of public speaking that would like launch my career. And so for two years, I went all in on it. I spoke 304 times for free. I watched over 1100 hours of film, I received 2200 written evaluations, I spent 10s of $1,000 of dollars on coaching and training, read dozens of books. And in 2006, I made it to the top 10 speakers in the world. And I was the youngest person in history to do that. And I lost but then in 2007 I studied harder, I went back again I was stronger, I was smarter, and I made it all the way back to the World Championship. And that was the year that I will I lost again actually and I lost better I lost higher, I technically was the World Champion of Public Speaking first runner up. So I was second place in the world. I was 23. Shortly after that, I had this friend that I had met in college, we decided to start a company that would put on motivational sales training conferences, because I had been going door to door that direct sales company I had been going door to door learning about sales and we grew that company from four people to 200 employees. We were an eight figure sales, training and coaching business. Over the course of that time, my first book take the stairs came out when I was 29. It became a New York Times bestseller. A few years…(Lesley: did you sleep?) I did sleep I’ve always been, I’ve actually always been very strict about sleeping. You know, I sleep like seven hours, but every night like I don’t, I don’t, you know, I don’t sleep 12 hours and I don’t I don’t sleep three, like I sleep, I sleep. And so and then I had a TED Talk go viral. A few years later, my second book was based on that it was called Procrastinate on Purpose – Five Permissions to Multiply Time, I got inducted into the professional speaking Hall of Fame when I was 37. And then in 2018, my wife and I, so I had met my wife in this other company, we were business partners, we grew it. And in 2018, we unexpectedly sold our former company, was very sudden, very unexpected. We sold the company and then all of a sudden, we had zero platforms, zero social media, zero podcast, zero employees, zero revenue. But I had met a guy named Lewis Howes along the way, and I become friends with him because I was a guest on his show. And he called me one day and said, Hey, man, I know we haven’t talked in a while, but I feel like I could really use your help with the strategy for my business. And so Lewis became our very first client. And he spent two days with us. And he said, This is the most powerful business experience I’ve ever had. I’m going to bring you on my show, we’re going to tell the whole world. And so Brandbuilders Group was born because of Luis, he said, This is what we needed to do. And now, you know, we have about 600 active clients. We have about three dozen people on our team. We’ll do we’ll be back at about eight figures this year, which will be our sixth business, multi multi million. And, and we’re, you know, we were working with Lesley Logan, which has been the dream.

Lesley Logan 22:05
I knew. I knew it. This whole podcast is here because of it. I don’t think I could put it together without like the way that you helped people put together a podcast because I think, well, I know proudly, like, No, we’re not doing it because we had a whole thing in 2019. He’s like, no new things in 2019. We’re not doing anything new. And then 2020 was like, we just have to finish what we’ve started. We have to wrap up when we started, we have to get everything going. And then 2021 I was like, you have to let me now. I waited a long time, you have to let me know. I have BBD I have the whole setup. I know I listened to the whole thing. I know exactly what I have to do. So I want to go back though, because I want to highlight something. The amount of speeches you did for free sounds like almost every other day in a year.

Rory Vaden 22:49
Two years, two was many days there were multiple in the same day. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 22:53
So how like, did you ever just want to give up? Like, did you ever go like, because I’m thinking about the people who are like trying to get started. And it’s like, what I find is that they don’t I’ve talked to five people and nothing happened. It’s like, people are like, I did 300 speech. So like, how did you get to yourself when that this is one more thing leading me towards where I’m gonna go and not feeling like it’s one more sign that it’s not working.

Rory Vaden 23:19
So here’s why I think people fail. Willpower eventually fails. I think ambition eventually fails. But there is one force that I have found that never extinguishes and never runs dry never goes on empty, which is service. The way that you succeed, and this is the single greatest piece of personal brand strategy advice I’ve ever received came from a gentleman named Larry Winget. And this is not a Rory Vaden. Quote, although I wish it was. Larry said the goal is to find your uniqueness and exploit it in the service of others. And that’s what we do at Brandbuilders Group, we help people find their uniqueness, their uncopyable difference, the one thing that they can do different and better than anyone else in the world, because it’s who they were created to be. And when you’re operating in service, all of a sudden everything else goes away. Like there, there is no fear when the mission to serve is clear. We only feel fear when we’re being self centered. Right? When we go, Is anyone going to like me? Is this going to work out? Is this worth my time? Am I doing a good job? Is anyone paying attention? Is my platform gonna grow? It’s all me, me, me, me, me, me. But you never feel fear when the mission to serve is clear. If there’s a car accident, on the side of the road, there’s a car turned over and it’s on fire and you run over to pull someone out of the car. Notice how you’re not thinking about how does my hair look? You’re not thinking about as my outfit cute. You’re not worried about does my breath stink, you’re going to save someone. That is what we have realized it takes to break through the wall. There’s something we call she hands wall, which is breaking through and becoming mainstream, which we have helped, now, several clients of ours have done. Some of them, we’ve helped more than others. But but it’s, it’s going, the moment that you dedicate your life in the service of others, then you never run out of energy. But when you’re serving yourself, you do, you eventually, because the road to success is so much rejection and so much failure and so much setback. But the secret is to not be thinking about yourself, but to be thinking about the person out there who needs you. And what we believe, Lesley is that the calling that you feel on your heart, to start a business, to get a message out there in the world, we believe that the calling that you’re feeling is the result of a signal that is being sent out by someone else. And that person actually needs you much more than you need them. And that when you listen to that signal, and we try to just, you know, our job is to sort of cultivate that, and to help that relationship come together. That you never get tired, and you never run low. And so I think for me, I’ve always listened to that calling, even though I didn’t make money for a really long time. And nobody would pay attention. For the longest time I was just this kid who was like in the industry, and people are like, why would anyone listen to you? You’re so young. And then before that people were just saying like, Oh, you’re the wonder child, like, where did you come from? You know, when my first book hit the New York Times when our book hit, I was 29 years old. And people are like, where did you come from? And it’s like, Dude, I’ve been doing this for 12 freakin years already. Like, I know, you know. And so we say a lot of times, it’s like, I’m even today, I’m still pretty young in age time. I’m only 40. Right? But I’m old in stage time. And, and, and that’s, you know, that’s what matters. So it’s just leaning into the calling and listening to that.

Lesley Logan 27:08
I love that. You said that. Because as we’re talking about, like, how to become self centered, we have fear. And when it’s for other people, we don’t because I had this like, like this vulnerability hangover. I did a podcast interview and I was the next day I woke up going, did I say too much? And I like started to make the whole podcast in my head about me. Yeah. And then I was (…) like, do you think I said too much? Like, Do do you think, too, or do you think it was helpful? She’s like, No, what you said was very explained the whole thing. It’s very helpful, like took a lot of imposters (…) like, oh, okay, and I tend to check myself and like, Oh, we got our dial turn, we started thinking about us and not about like, who we were there. What that whole point of that whole podcast that message was for. And so whenever I whenever I get a little bit like I’m scared things I’ll be working with the goin on. I noticed it’s always because I’m thinking I’m being rejected, or it’s about me. But everything we’ve done has, has always been with the mission of like more bodies doing Pilates. So it doesn’t really matter if I teach you or somebody teaches you just the fact that you find it because I know it’s gonna make you a better person. And when I can keep that in my mind, it’s almost like there’s not an obstacle. There’s not a failure. It all is like in it’s all helping like putting more people into that bucket that I’ve been wanting to do. You also said something else, though. And it’s that you’ve been doing this for 12 years already. And I think that so many people, they maybe have heard the story of when other people but like so many people forget that every person you see who’s like this new star, this new thing person that just came on the scene, they’ve been busting their butt for a decade.

Rory Vaden 28:44
Every one of them

Lesley Logan 28:46
I was listening to this woman who like is the owner of hint water, and the podcast host was like, oh, yeah, just discover your water. How long have you been doing this? She’s like, Oh, we’ve been around for like 12 years we’ve been around. And so it’s just so funny because I funny not haha, but just interesting is that, like, we put all these people on a pedestal like it happens so fast for them. And so it’s not happening fast for us, or something’s wrong with us. But really, it’s not happening that fast for anybody. It’s just, it’s just that people kept going.

Rory Vaden 29:14
Right. And I think, yeah, totally. And sometimes it’s like we see the best in others. And we see the worst in ourselves. And we we don’t realize that what they went through, you know, you don’t see everything that they went through. And I think social media has made it worse because you just see that you just see the picture perfect story along the way. And you see the the curated highlight reel. But none of that matters, right? It’s going, forget about what other people are doing, and even forget about the own success you’re having. And when we help someone find their uniqueness, right, because Larry said, that’s what you should do, but he never developed a process for how to do that. And so we did, and that’s what Brandbuilders Group is, I mean, Brandbuilders Group, as you know, is 14 different two day experiences. That’s what Brandbuilders Group, our full curriculum is 14 different two day experiences. But the first one is called Finding Your Brand DNA. It’s just finding your uniqueness. And so if you go what’s the first step? In the first course on the first day? And the genesis of building a personal brand all starts by answering this one simple question with one word, which most people cannot do. It is what problem do you solve? What problem do you solve for the world? And most of us cannot answer that question. And you need to be able to answer that question, clearly. Because first of all, if you can’t answer that question, if you can’t tell people what problem you solve, if you don’t know there’s no way your customers your prospects are ever going to know. But when we look at what problem you solve, and we reconcile that with another question, which is what are you passionate about? What lights you up? What pisses you off? What makes you mad? Like what makes you so angry? And also what breaks your heart? What makes you cry? What what is the problem where you look at it in the world and you say, I’m not okay with that. I’m not comfortable with that. I won’t accept that this problem exists in the world. Not on my watch. I won’t let somebody else go through that. I’m going to dedicate my life to solving that problem for people. Mother Teresa dedicated her life to ridding the world of poverty. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. dedicated his life to ridding the world of inequality. Brene Brown is dedicating her life to ridding the world of shame. Dave Ramsey, rids the world of debt. What is the problem that you solve? That you go, it’s not about making money, it’s not about me, it’s about going, I want to make this world a better place. Literally. I want to take my time and talents and help somebody get past something. And that’s how you break through what we call she hands wall. It’s, it’s this focus, because, so basically, Lesley, you know, there’s two groups of people. In any given market, there’s two groups of people, there are those who are unknown, they’re dealing with obscurity. And then there are those who are known or they have notoriety, right? And that’s what what’s what we do at Brandbuilders Group, we help people overcome obscurity, and we help them develop notoriety or become well known. That’s what we’re doing. Now. What most people in obscurity do is they look at the people in notoriety, and they do they want to do all the different things they do, right? And so they look at, oh, well, the rock is like an actor, and a wrestler, and an athlete. And he has a tequila line. And, you know, in all these, all these things, and then you go, well, Oprah has all these different things. And Tony Robbins talks about money and relationships and business and health and spirituality. And so we go, well, I want to talk about lots of topics like they do. And so we have too many topics. And then every time we go to another mastermind, or watch and see a new Facebook ad, there’s like a new business model, and we go, oh, we need to do coaching. Because everyone, that’s where it’s at. No, I heard that courses are like passive income. But really, membership sites give you recurring revenue. retreats could be like high dollar offer. But you know, if I had a mastermind, and people like came to me was like this really high end mastermind I could, but I really want to speak but consulting can make millions of dollars doing consulting, and like (…) No, I know. And it’s like, well, brand deals. And, and, and, you know, we could do day planners. And so they have all of these messages, all of these business models, they’re serving all of these audiences on all of these different problems or on all of these different platforms. And they are bouncing off the wall. And the reason they’re most people are bouncing off the wall, is because when you have diluted focus, you get diluted results. And the only thing we do is help people find their uniqueness. Figure out what is the one audience you can serve in the deepest way? What is the one problem you can solve for them? What is the one business model, the one revenue stream above all others that matters? And we know that even if we don’t teach you anything, or if you don’t do anything else we teach, if we can just help you focus, you put more of your assets and more of your resources towards those things, the likelihood of them succeeding goes up exponentially. And so that’s what happens is people break through the wall, on one thing, one problem, one audience, one revenue stream. And then once you break through the wall on that one thing, once you’re on the other side, then you can expand into other stuff because you have more money, you have more tension, you have more resources, you have more team members, but if not, you’re just going to bounce off the wall. Because diluted focus equals diluted results.

Lesley Logan 29:14
Well and bouncing off the wall ends up just tearing out your confidence levels and like your ability to think that you can get back up and do it again. So it’s it’s kind of, you’re kind of setting yourself up just to like, hit the wall and fall down and go, Oh, that’s another thing that didn’t work. Because you’re not actually like allowing yourself to drill all the way through. I love the visual of students. While I also just want to go back to those questions, you were saying, like, what do you love?

Rory Vaden 35:13
One thing on the confidence because you bring up a good point, right? When people bounce off the wall, they think they’re failing because they’re not good. Or they’re not smart enough, or they don’t have enough money or enough resources or their audience isn’t big enough. Yeah, none of those things are true. The reason they’re failing is because they’re distracted. They’re diluted, what they lack is clarity. They lack clarity of who they are helping, what they’re providing for that person, and how they can solve that problem for that person. It’s, it’s the people who succeed are not, I mean, we had four clients last year that were billionaires with a B, like a billion dollars. They’re very smart people. But they’re not, it’s not their intelligence that separates them. And it’s not even their confidence. Most of their stories are rooted with deep insecurity and trauma and pain. But what happens is somewhere along the line, they get a crazy idea. And all they think about is that one idea, and they go all in on that one thing, and they do nothing else until that one thing succeeds. And that’s how they break through the wall. And then everything and then everything changes. And so you’re not missing something. There’s nothing that other people have, that you don’t have, besides clarity.

Lesley Logan 36:41
That is the best. That is the best thing I’ve ever heard about confidence ever, like that is like that I love that so much. Because it’s not the confidence. It is the clarity like it’s and and it doesn’t mean you’re not good enough, right? Like because you it’s all the enough, anything enough, I’m not this enough, it’s that you just don’t have the clarity. And I, you would set a series of questions like what you love, what makes you cry? Like what what do you want to get rid of? Those those are such, those are such great questions, because I do think that people get hung up on like, What is my purpose? Like they want they like, what is my purpose? And like I that is a really heavy question to ask yourself.

Rory Vaden 37:20
But here’s a, here’s a better question to then what’s my purpose, right? So you go, Okay, I’m trying to find my purpose. But listen to the question that listen to the nature of that question. My purpose. It’s self centered in its nature. Our lives have purpose, not inside of our individual autonomy and self centeredness. What creates purpose, our lives have purpose in the context of how we interact in exchange and encounter other people. So if you want to find purpose, don’t ask, What’s my purpose? ask, Who can I serve? And how can I help? Nobody is irrelevant when they are serving another person. When we exist, inside of ourselves, in this autonomous, you know, world of self centeredness, we lack purpose because we are by ourselves. But when we add value to the lives of others, now we have purpose. And so the purpose comes from service. And that is available to all of us, right? It’s like don’t go searching for happiness, go searching for someone who can help. If you help the person, I promise you will find happiness. And we are fortunate to live in a world today where there’s more tools available to us and audiences are more accessible than ever before that we can actually make our full time focus and entire living, not just a survival living, but an abundant, rich, extraordinarily wealthy, living, dedicating our lives to be 100% in the service of others, helping them solve one small problem. It’s mind blowing, right? The world that we live in, is just, it is mind blowing. And so that’s how you find purpose.

Lesley Logan 39:14
Okay, homework for everyone listening and my next question that you just kind of brought up is, so, I grew up with a mom who was Mary Kay so I grew up with…(Rory: Oh, really? That’s right. That’s right) Mary Kay. Yes, she has a car, she got to meet Mary Kay, did the whole thing, I know. But I also grew up in a household where like, you didn’t answer the phone (…) make sure it wasn’t a bill collector. So I grew up like that kind of lifestyle. And so I to this day, it says I have 75 on like missed phone calls today. So I don’t answer the phone. I’m like, let me screen that. Who was that? However, my point to all this is, you mentioned like you can have this abundant, wealthy life and I think a lot of people feel very guilty, getting paid helping other people. And how have you like did you have that or like, that was not a problem for you? Or have you seen that with other people you work with that? BBG? How do you get them past like charging for this service that they are able to provide to other people?

Rory Vaden 40:09
Yeah, well, I would say the only way you get wealthy is helping other people. Money is a direct, a direct result, and a direct byproduct of how many people you have helped. Like, how many people have bought a computer and used Microsoft Office? Right? That’s why Bill Gates is super duper rich. How many people use Amazon? And how many times have they use it? And how? How convenient has that made your life? That’s why Jeff Bezos is super rich, like the your wealth. And what I would say is you should look at it the opposite of going I shouldn’t feel bad for charging, it’s going, if I’m not making enough money, it means I’m not helping enough people. Or I’m not helping enough people in a deep enough way. And here’s another thing that I will say too, is like everyone’s so worried about the width of their reach, they forget about the depth of their impact, right? Impact is not just a lot of people, it’s to what extent do you help people. Brandbuilders Group is a good example of this, we’re gonna hit eight figures, probably this year, we have a bigger business by revenue than most of the biggest personal brands in the world, right? several of which could be our clients even. But we never had millions of followers, right? I have no have millions of followers, you don’t need millions of followers to make millions of dollars, it’s who you can serve a few people in a deep, deep, deep way, right? Like our whole mission as a company is what we call 1000 Messengers, we want one that, we’re going to cap it, like we’re at 632 right now, once we hit 1000, we’re closing it off, like because we can’t serve more than that many in a really, really deep way. And so, money is a byproduct of adding value to people’s lives. And so number one, I wouldn’t equate, I would switch the way that I am thinking about that. The second thing is to say, look, just because you make a lot of money, doesn’t mean you have to keep it all yourself. Every nonprofit in the world, it takes money to run it, every messenger, every message takes money behind it to get the message out to more people. Every person who’s in need, it sure helps to have a lot of money to help them with housing and food and shelter. Like you know, obviously shelter, education, transportation, these are the core fundamental issues of humanity largely could be solved by money. And by money in the hands of the right people, money in the hands. So when we say we serve mission driven messengers, it doesn’t mean we don’t care about money, we do care about money. We like money, we’re good at making money. It’s just that money is subservient to the mission. Money is subservient to the message. Revenue is subservient to reputation, and an income is subservient to impact. But we need money to be in the hands of good people. That’s called stewardship. And the other thing is right now you know me, I’m a hardcore Bible thumping Jesus freak. And Jesus, people sometimes struggle with money. Because of this, you know, all the stuff that Jesus said about, you know, it’s harder for a rich man to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven. And you know, the love of money is the root of all evil. But here’s the thing. You don’t have to love money, in order to have it, you can have a lot of money, just like you can have a lot of hammers and nails. Money is just a tool, right? It’s a tool to do stuff, no different than, you know, house cleaning tools, or you know, something that builds houses or ingredients that you cook with. It’s a tool that you use to make things. The question is, are you making things only for yourself? Or are you making them in the service of others, money also makes you more of what you already are. If you are a jerk, money is going to make you more of a jerk. But if you are a generous, humble person, money is going to make you an even more generous, humble person. Money in and of itself is not evil. It’s neutral, right? It has no emotion. It’s, it’s who it’s in the hands of, and what’s the character of that person? And what is the heart of that person. So you’ve got to break free of some of those limiting beliefs about money. And again, what I would say and what we tell people is, don’t worry about money. Either way. Just focus on service. Just focus on helping a bunch of people. If you do that, you can’t stop money from showing up. I mean, it’s ridiculous, like, it will come to you just as a byproduct. So let it be that.

Lesley Logan 44:48
Yes. Okay. I feel like I just went to a great church. Thank you for (…). I couldn’t agree more cause on all of that I have, was mentoring one of one of the girls in my group, and she has been teaching differently, thanks for the mentorship. Of course, that would be the goal of the mentorship. So she’s doing that, she mentioned it in a win, she’s like, so my clients have noticed a difference, and they’re just paying me more. They’re just like, actually, like, I haven’t raised my rates, they’re just giving me more money and like, Yeah, cuz you’re, you’re, you’re serving the person, you’re making the impact on them, that’s so important that they’re like this should be she should be charging me for this, because the life you’re giving them on the other side of the session is so priceless. They have, they’re like wanting to do that. So I think you’ve highlighted some amazing things that when you make it about them, like it’s just gonna come to you, and you’re gonna, you’re gonna do whatever you want with that.

Rory Vaden 45:40
So this is a fun story. I don’t think I’ve ever shared this publicly. This is how Tom and Lisa Bilyeu became clients of ours. So they’re also clients of ours, right? So our content mark, it’s not just money, it’s abundance in general. So for example, our entire content marketing strategy that we teach clients is teach everything you know, for free, give away everything, you know, for free, but do it in small bite sized chunks, and in all random miscellaneous order. And the reason why you can do that is because today, people don’t pay for information. People pay for organization, and application. People don’t pay for information they pay for organization and application. That’s why it’s like, I give away so much for free one, just because we have so much so so much content, but people still need help applying it. And so that’s what they’re going to pay you for is help applying it. Well, we were just, you know, I was helping Tom and Lisa with a project that they had. And I was just like offering to help and help and help just like, hey, what don’t have you thought about this? And did you know about this? and dah dah dah, they literally said they said, you’ve given us so much value, we have to pay you something, we feel guilty, that you’ve given us so much that we you must let us pay you we don’t feel good. Like we actually don’t feel good about how this has worked. And that’s the other thing that I would say about this is you go, here’s a few brandbuilders mantras, we say save the best for first, save the best for first, give it away, and people will pay you for help applying it. And there’s another rule that we talked about called the rule of 10. So the rule of 10 says, whatever you’re charging, make what you’re charging for 10 times as valuable as what you’re charging for it. Right? So so a Brandbuilders Group, right? Let’s, it doesn’t matter who the client is, let’s say you have something that’s $1,000. If you’re going to charge $1,000, our advice is make it really worth $10,000. Because, number one, you’ll have more conviction and confidence when you’re selling it. And you’ll be like, gosh, like you would be crazy not to do this, where people get upside down is where they go, man, I didn’t really put that much effort into this, this thing is really kind of a piece of junk, it’s really should be $300. But because my coach said it should be 1000 or someone else said it should be I’m just going to charge 1000. And it’s like really deep down, you know, this is it’s more like the rule, that’s the rule of a third, it needs to be the rule of 10 to where you go, you would be insane not to buy this like this, if you buy this, it’s going to transform your life in such a massive way that I feel bad not selling it to you. And this is the other part about service. Right? Okay, this is an extreme example. But I mean this literally, imagine if you had the cure for cancer, and you never told anyone about it. Imagine what a dis service, it would be to the world if there is somebody out there right now who has the cure for cancer, but they’re afraid to tell people about it because they don’t, they don’t want to be seen as vain. Or they’re afraid of making money for it. And so because they don’t have money, they can’t tell anyone about it, because they can’t hire any marketing people or they can’t, you know, whatever, whatever. They can’t pay a staff to help them get the word out or etc. It’s a disservice to not offer something to someone when you it can actually change their life. Now, I’m not talking about the smoke and mirrors crap that you see online where it’s like, throw up some crappy course and try to sell it for $3,000. I’m saying build something that is so valuable that you would feel guilty not selling it like that you would go, I have this secret, and I’m going to help you and so that it all ties back to your uniqueness. Because when you’re operating in your uniqueness and you go what audience can I serve in the deepest way? Whose life can I totally transform? If you’re doing that, then you won’t feel guilty about it because you’re just serving and the money just shows up as a byproduct.

Yeah, I remember hearing years ago an author say like, if you have if you do something that helps someone solve someone’s problem, you have a moral obligation to sell it to them. You just like you’re actually stealing from them if you’re not, if you’re not, so it’s the same thing. Right? You, you’re obviously, you know, you’re so amazing, and you know that but like, I feel like you’ve almost even taken our listeners and like, kind of calm to the crazy mind. It’s like, I gotta do this, and I gotta do this. And like, really given us something we could just like, sit down, start with what your uniqueness is everyone, we’re going to take a brief break, we could keep going, because you’re so amazing, but we were out of time. So take a brief break, and we’re gonna find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you, and your Be It action items.

Lesley Logan 50:18
Alright, Rory, where do you hang out? Where can they get more of you?

Rory Vaden 50:45
Yeah, so there’s only one place I would go, go to forward slash Lesley Logan. Okay, forward slash Lesley Logan. You know, Lesley is a client of ours. And so, you know, she’s graciously invited us here. And one of the things we do for our clients is we offer all of their friends, a free call, the first call is free. And this is, you know, what we do is one on one coaching, even our big events are like small tables with five people and one of our strategists, it’s all very much human based. So we’d love to get to meet you. And so anyways, we do that first, we do that first call for free,, that’s the place where I would go, of course, I’m on Instagram, and you know, we have a podcast and all the stuff, but I would go to that URL. And I would start there.

Lesley Logan 51:34
Awesome. We’ll put that in the show notes below y’all. And real quick before we let you go bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?

Rory Vaden 51:45
Okay, so I mentioned that finding your brand DNA, finding your uniqueness is a two day experience with us. Right? So hopefully some of you, you know, we’ll do a free call and maybe we’ll meet with you and we’ll see you there. Whether you do or not, though, I’m gonna I’m gonna give you the shortcut right now. I’m gonna give you the secret, like, everyone goes, Okay, Rory, like what’s the secret? We didn’t know this when we started the company five years ago. But now that we’ve taken hundreds of people through this, we have realized that there is a consistent pattern. And it’s a shortcut that we taught our strategists to help them identify uniqueness in the clients. And here’s what we realized. You are always most powerfully positioned to serve the person, you once were. You’re most powerfully positioned to serve the person you once were. That for all of us, every bit of pain that we have gone through, is a part of preparing us and shaping us into becoming the person that we needed to be today, so that you can now reach back and help somebody else. So when you say what are your action items? This is what I would say, answer these questions. What challenge have you conquered? What obstacles have you overcome? What setbacks have you survived? What tragedies have you triumphed over? What problems have you pushed past? Whatever the answer is to those questions, therein your uniqueness lies. Therein lies the thing that you can do that nobody else can do. We believe that that is God’s divine design of your humanity that you’re most powerfully positioned to serve the person you once were. So answer those questions, explore those arenas, and I promise you will find in that not only great purpose, but great potential for great profits. And for sure, the promise of massive, massive impact.

Lesley Logan 53:46
I want to know everyone’s answers. I want to know, I want to know, you guys, you have to let me know, you’ve to tag the Be It pod, you have to tag BBG, you have to let us know how this whole podcast has impacted you what your takeaways are. Rory, thank you for being here. Thank you for like letting me listen to you all by myself. Even I feel very selfish and also very, very grateful. And y’all thank you so much for being here. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of the ‘Bloom Podcast Network’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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Lesley Logan
Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velasquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell
Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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