Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the revealing convo I had with Sue Hitzmann in our last episode. If you haven’t listened to the episode, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one so that you can listen to this one and all the good things or listen to this one and then go listen to that one, you could do you. And that’s it Sue Hitzmann does. So, I think she’d be very excited for you to do it the way you want to do it.

Brad Crowell
She does, she’s amazing.

Lesley Logan
She she really is. Like she is the proof of like, your curiosity and leading it down the path and and and also like how everything happens for you even including the question she was asked. So real quick, my loves, I want to hear from you. Like I really want to hear from you. I want to hear your opinions. And so this podcast has been out for a year, over a year now. Oh my God over a year now. (Brad: Yeah) 14 months. And maybe you just found us in this your first episode. Great. You can do the survey. Maybe listen to every single episode. And this is like 100 and I don’t know. It’s a lot. Brad’s gonna pipe in and tell me what it is. But anyways, if you listen all, I really want to hear from you. So go to beitpod.com/tellme.

Brad Crowell
This will be episode 124. (Lesley: 124. Holy cow.) That’s pretty insane. But seriously, though, 124 episodes and we need your help. We are very interested in understanding how you’re enjoying the pod. And you know, what if the segments if you like the segments, if you look forward to the recaps, or if you enjoy the interviews more, or we’ve even thrown in a few solo episodes and what your experience was with those. So go to beitpod.com/tellme t e l l m e. (Lesley: Yup)

Lesley Logan
All right, we had an audience question and I really liked this one. I was like, ah, it was a nice little DM I got from someone and I can I totally could feel her, like I could feel the frustration, worry, fear, wonder all at one time. So what is that question, Brad?

Brad Crowell
So it’s just basically, I have a small home studio, and love teaching, but I feel like my clients move their sessions around all the time. Did you have this problem when you were doing that? Well, we can answer that. How can I get them to stick to the original schedule without losing them as a client or without losing my time, teaching them and rearranging them? So that’s a great question. Just to throw this out there. We never had a home studio.

Lesley Logan
Well, we do now.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. That doesn’t count. We’re not taking clients at our own studio. (Lesley: Right, right, right, right) So of course, we have a home studio. But my point is, when we were doing this process, we didn’t actually have a home studio, (Lesley: Yeah) however, you were a, you were renting from someone else as a true, independent contractor. You controlled your own schedule, you brought in your own clients, all those kinds of things. So while you didn’t have a home studio, you still had to deal with exactly this problem.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I was just gonna say that. Like, it doesn’t actually matter where if you have a home studio that small, a studio that’s big, a brick and mortar or you go to people’s houses, like when you’re when you have people who scheduled time with you, it is inevitable that people are going to want to change the time every once in a while and like, look, things come up. But what I’m hearing from this as a lack of boundaries. And also, here’s the here’s a real truth, we treat people how, we train people how to treat us. And so what it sounds like to me, and this is not offensive to you. And if you’re listening to this, and it’s what I’m about to say, hits it home for you is a lot of times we’re like, I just I just need people to say yes, so we especially in the beginning, we bend over backwards, like literally and do hoops and jumps of things to get clients because we think if we discount ourselves or if we’re really easy going and changing the time or changing their schedule whenever they want to that we get to keep clients and grow our business, but you actually don’t. So you’re gonna spending more time changing people’s schedule around. So here’s what I’m gonna say to you whether you have a small home studio brick and mortar or not. If you live in the US, you need my scheduling tool, period, end of story it and if you don’t live in the US, you need a scheduling tool. And if you’re still like, “I don’t think this is the right answer, Lesley.” Then come to this webinar that I’m doing. It’s profitablepilates.com/answers. So profitablepilates.com/answer and actually going to talk about how to pick a scheduling tool and all the reasons why you think you don’t need one but you do. And this is one of those things. If you had someone who is a barrier, or something that was a barrier to them being able to just text you whenever they want, and change the schedule around, you would actually not feel like a bad guy. So if they’re, like, out to lunch with their friends are like, “Oh, hey, can we go to the beach tomorrow?” And they’re like, “Oh, I have Pilates. Let me see if I can move that.” They’re gonna go onto your tool, and they’re gonna go, “Oh, there’s nothing available. I can’t move it.” There not gonna … (Brad: Yeah or they just have to cancel all together.) Or they cancel together. (Brad: And that’s their choice.) And they either are charged or it’s early, but it’s all them and it’s not you. And so you don’t feel like you have to be both the teacher and the bodyguard to the schedule ….

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I think that’s one of the biggest points is like it really does remove the awkward conversations. They can sign your waiver it right there in the app, they’ve agreed to your cancellation policy. And as long as, as when they go in, if you’ve got a 24 hour cancellation policy, and they’re at 23 hours and 59 minutes, and they cancel, they will be get late charged. And you don’t have to have that awkward conversation with them because the app did it for you. Right. (Lesley: Yeah) So there’s just so many benefits of having an app like this. I think another one that I love, is that allows you to take your text messages back. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) And that is again, boundaries, (Lesley: And that’s …) right? Because it allows you to go, “Oh, my text messages, what a relief. Are my friends and family. They’re not my job, and not somebody potentially canceling on me last minute.”

Lesley Logan
Yeah. (Brad: Yeah) And so just to go back to your thing about your fear of losing a client. You don’t want to keep a client who’s changing their schedule, all the freaking time. (Brad: Right) I used to have a client who would like literally, she had two, two standing appointments a week. And literally one day, every week, she texts me, “Hey, can I move it to one o’clock today? Do you have anything else available today?” And I here’s what I thought I, I had a scheduling tool. She wasn’t using it, I had to literally go, “Did you check the time? You didn’t check the time.” So sorry, or I just didn’t, I literally wouldn’t respond to her. (Brad: Right) Because you have to train them how to treat you. And I am not a like, what is it like big like, you’re like (Brad: beck and call) beck and call. I’m not your beck and call girl, I learned that from Pretty Woman. Another great thing you can learn from that movie. (Brad laughs) So don’t take less than 100. Call me when you’re through. Alright, so but seriously, like that, clears your sessions. But truthfully, I don’t care how small you think your business is. You absolutely deserve time away from your business. And you deserve people to respect your time, the only way they can respect your time is if there’s a barrier between you and that time. And that is as a tool.

Brad Crowell
But think about it like this, think about this. Could you imagine that you go to let’s just say we all had a parent who, you know, worked at a bigger company. Right? And your, your, your parent had a meeting scheduled with the President of the company. And then like, two hours before the meeting, your parent calls up, the President says, “Hey, can you just move back like in an hour? Or would that be cool, like, is that alright?” Like, “No, fuck no.” They would be mortified through it. There’s, and there’s, you know, because when we look at it, like it’s like, a job and the boss and all that stuff, we somehow have this different perception that you being the boss, you being (Lesley: And you’re the President of the company.) you are the President of your company, and your your clients are like, “You know, is it cool if like, we just kind of shifted around, I just needed to be like, 12 minutes after the hour instead of like,” I mean, it’s so crazy that we allow people to do that.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And so and also, by the way, I know you’re like “but I need referrals.” You want this person’s friend? Do you really want this person’s friend? Like no seriously like, do you want their friends because they are … (Brad: They are all the same.) They’re all the same. They’re (Brad: Yeah) all like them. They’re all like them, bouncing around like, oh, everybody does whatever they, I want. No, you don’t like you don’t and like maybe their friends are different. Are they? Have you ever seen that in real life? Like, are your friends different than you? Okay, so maybe like I had this one friend. Yeah. And I bet you have boundaries with them. (Brad: Yeah. Right.) And if you don’t put them on your scheduling tool. Okay, go to profitablepilates.com/answer to sign up for this free webinar. It’s going to be a lot of fun. Okay,

Brad Crowell
Yeah, we’re actually going to do it live on August 10. And then there will be, it will be available for the replay for those of you who may not have been able to join us live. So

Lesley Logan
If you’re hearing this on August 17th, 20th, it’s a whole different year. You’re just binging out, hi, hello, you can still watch it.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Awesome.

Okay, now let’s talk about Sue Hintzmann. As a fitness professional, who was told there was no cure for her plantar fasciitis, she decided to discover her own way to heal her pain. She is the founder and creator of The MELT Method, which is now internationally known and has thousands of teachers teaching a method by the way, which is a simple self discovery, self-care technique that addresses the missing link to back pai… to pain free living. Sue is on a mission to help share her knowledge and empower people to learn how to care for themselves better, so that they too can lead active pain free lives as long as possible.

Lesley Logan
I love it. She’s super passionate about it. And, and like whether or not you even have heard The MELT Method, whether or not you’re like this even like resonates with you. Here’s the deal, your you her passion and like persistence, is what’s gotten her where she is. And she just followed that. And I think a lot of times we get stuck on an obstacle, which is going to lead into my talking point. And like I hear her talking point that she brought up, it’s like, we have to stop thinking an obstacle is a sign that you’re not supposed to do, the thing that you’re gonna do. The obstacle is, uh, is just there to see if you’re gonna fight for it. Are you gonna keep going? Like if we gamify this, right, you get up to a some sort of like, evil thing on your game and you like, “Ah, you know what, too hard. I’m not meant to play this.” No way. People who played they just like they just keep buying it, like, “I’m gonna find a different way. I’m gonna get, I have a level of stuff. I gotta go learn this thing. I go learn this tool.” But for whatever reason, we’re willing to do that on a game, whether it’s a board game, whether it’s a card game, or like, “Oh, I’m gonna collect some more cards.” I don’t care if you play video games, or like actual physical games, every type of game requires you to skill, like up level of skill and move forward. They all have obstacles that you have to learn how to get over. But somehow in life, we see a failure as some sort of obstacle. And we’re like, that’s a sign I’m not supposed to do it. I don’t like that makes zero sense to me. I don’t have the brains and like to listen, live in dissonance. And somehow we’ve managed to find a loophole. So when she talks about how you are not going to you’re not getting ahead if you don’t fail. (Brad: Right) I love that because every single one of you is going to fail. In fact, the more things you try, it’s a numbers game, you’re gonna fail more times and you succeed, period. Like people who like Olympic athlete track runners, they lose more races and they win. Basketball players lose more games, and they win like it is on average. And …

Brad Crowell
Also too, I think if you look at another another statistic that is like, hilarious is baseball, hitting …

Lesley Logan
Oh my God, it frustrates me so much, (Brad: Right) It can be the crappiest baseball player …

Brad Crowell
… He has a point for hit a batting average. And you’re like, “That’s four out of 10 times he hit the ball. Four out of 10.” (Lesley: And that’s good.) And that’s a great one.

Lesley Logan
I gave feedback to this one company. And I’m like, “All these matches are like 63%. Do you have anything that’s better than a D plus.” Like, “Oh, no, that’s actually really good. That’s like a high percentage point.” So basically, you’re not getting you move forward in your business and your life and the things you want unless you fail. And Brené Brown says in her dare to lead book she’s talking about like vulnerability in the workplace. And also like, being more inclusive and in in your efforts. You’re going to fuck it up. In fact, the more you try to be better as a leader, the more changes you make to be more inclusive, you’re going to fuck it up. And that’s okay. It’s about acknowledging, wow, that was a mistake. Okay, understand what, I learned from it. (Brad: Yeah) Make the apologies and move to the next thing. And so anyways, if you want to get ahead of where you are today, if you’re like, “Yeah, I don’t want to live at this level of my life for the rest,” like, like, make sure the (Brad: I mean …) rest of your life (Brad: Yeah) you are going to have to fail. So just get used to it.

Brad Crowell
That’s where the analysis paralysis comes into. Because you are so worried about failing that you are just thinking through it every time and you never do any action. And like, really, I’m not saying that you just blunder your way through things. (Lesley laughs) I’m not recommending that. That’s not what I’m saying here. But you by just the nature of life, you are going to you’re going to run into a speed bump and it’s going to derail something and then you know, whatever metaphor you want to mix here, you’re gonna drop a plate you’re gonna. The way that If you learn is, oops, something went wrong, or something almost went wrong. Well, I better be conscious of that as we’re moving forward.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And like, I don’t remember where we heard this, but nothing is going to be as great in your mind as you think it’s like, “Oh, my God can be like this, and nothing is going to be as bad.” So even if you fail, (Brad: Oh right.) it’s rarely going to be the worst case scenario.

Brad Crowell
Right. So like, you know, in our minds, we imagine ourselves, walking on stage and being this beautiful, perfect thing, and we get there and like, it didn’t quite go the way we wanted it in our mind. (Lesley: It could still be amazing.) And, but, and probably it was amazing. And conversely, if you trip falling at one, you’re exiting that stage, in your mind, you’re like, I just embarrass myself in front of seven and a half billion people on this planet, and no one’s ever gonna want to talk to me again. And now I can’t go get a job and no one’s gonna marry me. And I, life might as well be over. And we take it to this incredible extreme on both ends. And in reality, probably everyone, “Oh, they just tripped.” Okay, you know like …

Lesley Logan
… we’re going off on a tangent, but I was just having coffee with someone who like talked about someone else doing something that was like a total like, would have been considered a total blunder. And she goes, “I am more inspired now than ever, because that person is to this level of me and they did this. And that gives me permission.” (Brad: Yeah) So basically, knock it up, as many times as you can see, learn the lesson and you get to the next level.

Brad Crowell
Don’t intentionally, but (Lesley: Well, don’t intentionally, but don’t don’t …) But don’t let that stop you from moving forward. Don’t let this …

Lesley Logan
Don’t let fear of the fuck up, keep you from going to the next thing. And if you fail, dust yourself off, do a little reflection, set like time and then go to the next thing. (Brad: Yeah) You know, unless you die, you’re you got options.

Brad Crowell
You know, we do this (Lesley: so dark) We do this in our business every single time we hold an event, even events that we’re great at, like things that we know we did well, at the end of the event, we have this reflection time where we say …

Lesley Logan
I call it an autopsy probably you don’t like that so much. Or post mortem. I’m …

Brad Crowell
Post mortem. That was really funny. But …

Lesley Logan
Let’s do post mortem.

Brad Crowell
Yeah (Lesley: and their like well Lesley…)The end of it. You know, we look back and we say what went amazingly well, and we celebrate our wins. And then what could have gone better? And we take notes and we leave ourselves notes for the next time. So you know, it’s just part of moving forward in life in general. So, anyway I love that. That’s a great talking point.

Lesley Logan
What did you love?

Brad Crowell
Yeah. She kind of casually threw this in there. She said she began to believe the myth that if she was eating right and exercising, right, then she would be healthy and have a pain free life. And I just turned 40.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. How’s that going for you?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, fucking hurt myself already. (Lesley and Brad laughs) And I was like, really, really? Sorry for that really loud F bomb right there. But seriously, I like I hurt my back on the day after I turned 40, you know … I’m laughing about it. But …

Lesley Logan
… in your 40s defense, you actually hurt your back in your 30s. But you have (Brad: I did.) been able to kind of like blow like, no I think about it. Now think about your thing. And you know, you do live a very healthy life. But (Brad: Yeah) healthy, but but I think you know, this goes back to Jenny Schatzle’s episode where she’s like, stop doing things in the name of health. Like you’re just like, it’s like, like, health is out there. Just like, we’ve got all these things like this is health and it’s not healthy. You move intentionally often and, and you’ve been doing it for a long time. But that doesn’t mean it’s it’s like you have like a like an armor suit around you where you’ll never feel pain or have injuries like …

Brad Crowell
Right. Yeah, and I think but I think that, you know, you you the myth about that eating right and exercising right leads to a healthy life. It’s not necessarily the case. And you know, I’m I feel I’m counting my blessings that I’m starting to realize this in my late 30s, early 40s. With with regard to Sue Hitzmann. She was like at her prime. She was 28 she said when she had she’s already been speaking around the world. She’s got a like, a hugely popular DVD series. She’s teaching people all the fitness stuff and she’s telling all the stuff and at 28 she woke up one day and her feet hurt so much that it impacted her entire body, not just her not just walking and dancing and stuff. She started to feel, she it really affected all of her ..

She started to seek medical help, she started to go to the doctor and the doctor was was telling her, you know, “Oh, it must be this. Oh, it must be there. Oh, it must be this.” And then she finally had a doctor say, “Oh, well, I think you’re just depressed.” Right. And she’s like, “Yeah, no shit, I’m depressed. I can’t do what I’ve been doing my whole life that I’m really amazing at. And now I’m like, out of my own game.” And I’m feeling that so that it doesn’t surprise me. Right. And then she started to learn about fascia, right? And she started to really dig into how does it work? And she said, she actually spent she just disappeared from the fitness world for four years. So imagine that being like, you know, in the limelight, on TV, doing, you know, travel around the world, all the stuff. And then poof, four years she disappeared. Right. And when she came back, it was armed with this all this knowledge and understanding of how she had begun to feel better. And and how her how changing the way she treated her fascia changed the way her body responded. And she is, I mean, way more knowledgeable about than me, but she doesn’t look like she’s in her 50s. (Lesley: No) And that’s for darn sure. So she’s like, convinced it has everything to do with that as well.

Lesley Logan
And also just another another example of like, your rock bottom is happening for you. Like, like, took her out at the top of her game. (Brad: Yeah) But what top in air quotes, because look where she’s at now that (Brad: Right) she wouldn’t be there if she had had, like, if she had, what if this had happened to her at 45? And then she’s like, “Got it.” Like, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like we I feel like it happened exactly what I was supposed to that so she can actually have another level. So anyways, I’m into it.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I mean, and if you didn’t listen to her, her pod, or her episode, she created The MELT Method based on this experience. And then she began, one thing that really impressed me too. And I thought this was an incredible perspective was she said, “People would come into my studio, and I kept thinking, like, how how they keep coming back the next week? (Lesley: Yeah) How can I get them so that they don’t have to come back next week.” And that’s what she started to create this, like systematic approach, which turned into The MELT Method. And she said, it, if I “My goal was to empower my clients, so that they didn’t need me that they could go do this on their own, with maintenance at home. And they didn’t need any crazy, like, you know, huge, like, pieces of equipment or gear or any of that stuff, just a couple of small things, and some understanding of what to do.” And she said her clients started to have her feet stop hurting. And then her hus… she called and said, “My husband has back pain. Can you help me, help him?” And so it became this thing. And, and you two talked about, you know, that fear of losing a client, like, “Oh, they’re not coming in anymore. Like, I don’t know what’s going to happen?” And she said, “Well, yeah, okay. Instead of me managing 50 clients a year, that continued to come back, suddenly, I was managing 500 clients a year because I didn’t need to see them quite as often.”

Lesley Logan
Making a much more massive impact …

Brad Crowell
Yeah, she’s having a bigger foot.

Lesley Logan
And also like, “Are you helping me people maintain the status quo? Are we helping them actually, like, level up and move forward?” I’ve that’s what I mean, like, you know, it’s, it’s one of the reasons why we similarly to why we created OPC is, I actually want you to be your own teacher. I do. I want you to be able to like, tell yourself, “This is there, so I’m choosing for myself right now.” And that’s what we’re empowering you to do every single week in those classes. And so I think it is so is like, like, just, like the perfect example of like an abundance mindset. Like if you’re struggling with, “What it’s an abundance mindset?” It’s called ‘Helping people so much, they don’t need you anymore’. (Brad: Yeah) And then they send you or their friends, because guess what, everybody’s going to be in pain at some point in their lives. Unfortunately, that’s just the nature of how it works because we don’t take care of ourselves until it’s too late. You know, so (Brad: We’re not taught too ..) well, not here I think that other places in the world do. (Brad: Yeah) And if you know those places, let me know maybe I’m relocating.

Brad Crowell
But anyway, I will continue to relay my 40’s to for the next 10 years. So

Lesley Logan
Yeah. He will. (Brad: Buckel up.) Yeah. And he’s gonna do it all on his own for at least more six months. But still, I’m there with him. But we’re gonna work on this back thing. Okay, BE IT action items.

Brad Crowell
What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Sue Hitzmann? I am going to read a little bit from what she said towards the end, she said, “Do you call somebody every once in a while and just just to call them out of the blue and say, ‘I love you’? You know, and here’s why I love you.” She said, “Bring positivity into your life and to try and try to find those things that elevate you. And you will start to realize that you need to take specific actions to get you to that next place.” But …

Lesley Logan
It’s such a BE IT moment.

Brad Crowell
It’s such a BE IT moment. And she said, but well actually, I’m gonna leave the but to to to it ties perfectly in with what you’re going (Lesley: Yeah) to talk about. So …

Lesley Logan
Before we get into what I’m talking about, there’s there’s a woman whose name is escaping me but she’s amazing. Anyways, she talks about how if you need positivity, go give positivity. If you need love, go give love. If you need to be seen, go see people. And it is that ‘be it till you see it’ kind of a thing and that what what her, BE IT action item in there is it’s like, you just said it like it’s like if you if you want to be elevated want to realize you have these things, you gotta go take specific actions. And if you’re unsure what action to take, take an action that’s when you make you flippin good. Because then it’s going to, “Oh, I go through this.” Like you it’s called data, the more actions you take that give you like that make you feel good, the more confident you are in taking action. So it’s a simple way to do it. That’s all I’m saying.

She said, right out, “Am I living in the present moment or not? And what am I presently doing for my health?” And I just want to go back to like that, like, you know, eating and working out doesn’t exactly mean healthy. So just be really mindful of how you define health. If you’re talking like, “I’m going on a juice cleanse.” I’m gonna say, “No.” I want you to like, get really specific, but I want you to, I like this so much, because it made me think of like Norda Kaiser, we’ve had in our Agency program talks about like, “Are you a super fan? Or are you a, or are you a star athlete?” And it’s like, are you judging yourself negatively and harshly around the things that you do? Or are you actually being curious? And like taking a 30,000 foot view of like, “What am I doing right now? And how is this affecting the life that I want to have?” Becasue star athletes they, they don’t go, like, “Oh, the catcher missed the whole thing.” It’s like, “Oh, how did I throw it so that the catcher didn’t get the ball?” Right? Like, “What is what what am I able to do?” So it’s like, “Are you living in the present moment or not?”

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I think I think also the, you know, the reason I wanted you to jump in and talk about your action item, is because the idea of texting someone that I love you, in the present, it makes you be in the present moment for you to reflect on that kind of thing. She said, so bring positivity into your life and find those things that elevate you. And you’ll start to realize that you need to take specific actions to get you to the next place. But you’ve got to be as present as possible to make it happen. And don’t let the past be the thing that limits you on what you can really do in the future.

Lesley Logan
I also, you know, I want to add another question to that. Am I living in the present moment or not? And if it’s no, are you living in the past, or you live in the future? (Brad: Right) Because if you’re living in the past, it was holding yourself back. If you’re living in the future, you’re just causing anxiety.

Brad Crowell
I think you should say that, again.

Lesley Logan
If you’re living in the past, you’re just going to like your your gonna be stuck and in a worry, like you’re being held back. And if you’re living in the future, you’re just causing yourself anxiety. Anxiety is actually like, your is this feeling you have over the what could happen. So it’s like, what, when we when we are anxious, it’s because we’re thinking about what could happen in a negative light and or even a positive light, but it’s causing anxiety in the present moment, but you’re not being present in the moment that you’re in. So anyway, that’s just my, I just added a second question to that BE IT action item. I’m just over here, like …

Brad Crowell
Just over here, you know.

Lesley Logan
Just giving you a little bit more, (Brad: Do a little thing.) do a little more journaling for you, just a little bit more specific journaling for you.

Brad Crowell
I love that.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Well, I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know, tag us at the @be_it_pod and tag Sue Hitzmann of MELT Method. I know it will make her day to see what of her interview stuck out to you and like helped you ponder and maybe get in the present moment. Who did you text to, “I love you, too.?” (Brad: Yeah) I want to know that’s so fun. You should tell us.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, tag Sue and tell her that you heard her pod or her episode here and and let her know, you know your biggest takeaway from this. I think she would love that.

Lesley Logan
Yeah and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell
Bye for now.

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Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

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Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.

Lesley Logan
Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.