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In this episode you will learn about:
• when to put yourself first
• choosing your own beliefs
• jumping from one thing to the next
• asking the question “Is there another way?”

References/Links:
Podcast – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pointe-to-rise/id1538387021
IG – https://www.instagram.com/susannepuerschel/
IG – https://www.instagram.com/pointe_to_rise/
Website- https://pointetorise.com/

Transcript

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Lesley Logan  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the incredibly thoughtful conversation I had with Susanne Puerschel in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us, or do whatever you want to do. You want to listen to this one first and then go back? 

Brad Crowell  

You do you!

Brad Crowell  

You do you! And then let me know which order you listen to these episodes in. Do you go recap and then the interview, or interview then recap? Inquiring minds want to know. (Brad: Inquiring minds.) I always wanted to say that. Anyways, here’s the deal, y’all. Okay, I’m super freaking stoked. As of right now, as of, as of this moment, the reformer flashcard deck is out. And… (Brad: Yeah, it is.) Babe. If you don’t… okay, if you’re like what is a reformer deck of flashcards… First of all, if you don’t know what a reformer is, it’s totally fine. But this is our second deck in a series of decks of flashcards and the mat deck was the first one we released. (Brad: Yes.) It took us, y’all It took us a year to get that one into people – like more than a year – to get that into people’s hands. And there was a lot of reasons for that. And then the reformer deck, we had a turnaround time of like three weeks, I couldn’t believe we did it. (Brad: It was pretty bananas.) And we did – it was bananas. But I’m really… 

Brad Crowell  

Also too, what was quite lovely, is this time we actually had a team. On the mat deck it was just Lesley and me, and this time it was… we were able to distribute the workload so we were finally able to make it – that’s why we’ll make go really fast. 

Lesley Logan  

I do want to give credit to the person who made sure the Oxford commas made it into the mat deck. Thank you, girl. We hope you’re listening. But we have – so now we have the reformer deck of flashcards…

Brad Crowell  

That will be Pilates bound. (Lesley: Yes.) PilatesBound and her Oxford commas. 

Lesley Logan  

Yes, she made us do that. So anyways, we’ve had the mat deck out it is awesome. And you can get that but the reformer deck for those of you who love the reformer, want to know more about the reformer. It is now available so get yours by going to OnlinePilatesClasses.com – you will see it… don’t worry, you can’t miss these flashcards. We are very much making sure you can find them.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, they’re on the, they’re on the site, the website for sure. But if they don’t know what these even are, what are they?

Lesley Logan  

Well, I’m gonna, I’m gonna… I just happen to have a deck of them at once. And if you’re watching this on YouTube, I just showed them if you’re listening, I just showed them the people on the YouTube 

Brad Crowell  

On the You… the Tube of Yous? So, so what this actually looks like is, you have a deck of a deck of cards here…

Lesley Logan  

Kind of think of like, for my, for my girls out there who know Tarot, this is like a box… (Brad: right.) It’s a fancy box like an apple, but…

Brad Crowell  

Nothing in any way shape or form to do with Tarot, except for there are cards. And that’s the only similarity. So the flashcards you get to actually look at the front of them, guess what the exercise is on the back. And as a whole description and all the things, there’s a really fancy QR code on the front, like, you know, all these restaurants, we get to go to now and pull up those digital menus. Same exact thing. And and then the point of it was, is to be able to a) learn how to do Pilates from these cards, b) take it with you and be able to actually do you know, pull five cards and do five exercises, if you’re somewhere, whatever it is. And so the mat deck has been really excited or exciting. We’ve had a lot of people taking these amazing book photos or videos and posting them to Instagram. And now the reformer deck is out.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I actually just got pictures from someone who went on a vacation and she said I was tech free. But I took my Mat deck of cards. (Brad: So cool.) And she did them on her trip. And so anyways, you can get the mat deck and the reformer deck now on OnlinePilatesClasses.com where we do life better. Okay, that was I’m just so excited about that.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, but first, before we jump into this interview, Lesley, we had an audience question to respond to, yeah?

Lesley Logan  

We did. And I don’t know who wanted to know this… because I think the answer is probably obvious… Who does the cooking? 

Brad Crowell  

Who does the cooking? Well, on rare occasions when the workload is maxed to the absolute, I will ask Lesley to do the cooking.

Lesley Logan  

Yes. And when he says when he says… when he says, when he says the workload is to a max, it also means that Postmates is also out of the question. We’ve, we’ve, know we’ve we’ve missed the window to get a Postmates to deliver to us. And so, I am very good at cooking in one pan. I have a I have a couple of good dishes, I will say. And he’s always really impressed.

Brad Crowell  

I’m always super shocked when she’s like, “And I did all this in one pan,” because I used to work in food. So I, for 13 years I worked in restaurants. I was always front-of-house. But I was always around the cooks and the chefs and all the other people that were like doing the prep, meal prep and plannings and all this stuff, right? When you cook for 200 people, you prepare everything hours before the dinner shift starts. You have your pile of peppers you already cut, you got your onions already cut, you got this, this, this, everything is ready. They’re in their beautiful, nice little fancy little dishes and boxes and like you’re ready to go right. And then when the rush comes, you can just grab your ingredients because you got them all available, right? So when I cook, I literally do that I literally cut everything, prep everything. I’ve got all these nice little bowls. And then when I go to throw it in the pan, I can grab the bowl. Toss my ingredients in, it looks like I’m doing a cooking show, because I like it.

Lesley Logan  

Okay, and you know what? Here’s, I’m sure there’s people nodding their heads going, “Yeah, LL, of course that’s how you do it.” Let me just explain something… there are two of us. Prior to moving to Las Vegas, we did not have a dish washer. And… 

Brad Crowell  

That’s true.

Lesley Logan  

We had a sink that was barely big enough for the dishes from the day to go into. And, you know, whoever does the cooking doesn’t do the cleaning. I don’t know whose household me that rule up. But it felt like it became the rule in our house. And it was just like, like, there’s two of us. And there’s 17 bowls, and I don’t know what to do with all these bowls. So anyways, I would I would have to cook our old apartment, I would, I knew how he made the vegetables and I would just chop them all up. And I would do… this as I did. So brussel sprouts take a little longer than carrots and broccoli then mushrooms, right. So I would chop the brussel sprouts up first toss them into the pan then I would chop the carrots, toss them into the pan and the pans cooking. And so I’m just tossing everything in and by the time that mushrooms got in everything’s pretty much ready. 

Brad Crowell  

It’s a good strategy. 

Lesley Logan  

It’s a great strategy and guess what one pan no bowls and I got really resentful to be honest because his dishes workload was third what mine was. Anyways, now that we’re in Vegas, I will be honest, we have actually gotten off the bandwagon of the cooking.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I cook I cook relatively infrequently now just things have have definitely been busier. Which I which I do find ironic. You know, since we work like 10 feet from where we sleep like 10 feet from where we cook. So… 

Lesley Logan  

Instead of one foot so y’all that’s bigger.

Brad Crowell  

Yes, but anyway, the yes now it’s been we’re only cooking a few nights a week at best. Just because life is busy and crazy.

Lesley Logan  

But he makes a mean carrot soup y’all so good.

Brad Crowell  

Yeah! Takes couple hours to do.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, that’s a bit much… his air fried wings… Oh, so good. And then we always have sweet potato fries, because they’re my favorite. Anyways, thank you for that question. 

Brad Crowell  

Great question.

Lesley Logan  

And I hope we basically it’s mostly Brad, but sometimes it’s me and most of the time it is the sushi guy down the street. So if you would like to know more about us, just DM me a question you’d like us to answer you can DM me @Be_It_Pod on Instagram.

Brad Crowell  

I think there are underscores in there somewhere

Lesley Logan  

there are but if you just type in Be it pod

Brad Crowell  

what we do come up 

Lesley Logan  

Don’t worry. Don’t worry. It’s not complicated. Okay, so here’s the deal. You I am so into you making yourself a priority. It’s really important to me that you know that when you do Pilates like it applies every day. It is the way that you can make yourself a priority. I know it sounds crazy. It’s like how does that possible? That seems like it’s my workout it is but it is also a mind body connection and so to convince you a little bit that Pilates can be the way that you prioritize yourself. The way I prioritize myself I want you to go get a free class for me at online plus classes comm slash be it. That’s online Pilates classes.com slash b e i t

Brad Crowell  

Okay, now let’s talk about Susanne Puerschel.

Lesley Logan  

I mean, I just feel like we should just replay the whole interview. 

Brad Crowell  

I mean, it was it was an incredibly powerful interview. She is a force to be reckoned with. And so soft spoken, but like really profound. Really, if you have not listened to that episode, you have to go do that. A little bit about Suzanne, she grew up in the ballet in Germany in a really young age, I think she was like living with our coaches and stuff. And, and by the time she was 18, she was a professional ballet dancer, which is, you know, I mean, obviously, she is incredible. She moved the states after that. She started her own dance company, after working at another company in – I’m sure it was in New York. And then she started a family, she then got out, she, they stopped their dance company, and she started working in corporate, she climbed the corporate ladder. And together, she and her husband started a seven figure business. And then they shut down that seven figure business. And that was obviously really challenging. And then along the way, she has continuously been rediscovering herself and figuring out more about her to the point where she is now, today, doing what she was meant to be doing the whole time. So interesting to know that she did all those amazing things. And now today, she’s really doing what she wanted, which is she’s building, she’s building a program that inspires young ballet dancers, who have her experience. And she’s coaching them. And it’s really great. It’s so needed in the industry, so needed in the space. And I have no doubt that what she’s doing is going to change that entire industry.

Lesley Logan  

I follow her Instagram, her Pointe To Rise, Instagram and

Brad Crowell  

Say it again?

Lesley Logan  

Pointe To Rise, it’s point with an E… Pointe To Rise. It’s, every time I see a post, first of all, every one of her posts somehow exudes the same space and grace and like, I feel like a bull in a china shop, to her like, ease. But her her posts are very thought provoking. But also, she’s taking a look at her industry, like you said, and really changing it because there’s no reason why these dancers have to punish their bodies the way that they had in the past, to have the success they want to have. And I feel… 

Brad Crowell  

Not just their bodies, but they’re also their minds. Like they beat themselves up.

Lesley Logan  

100% and I think and to all my dancers listening, I know you’re out there. I love you. I want you to check her out. But I think even if you’re not a dancer, that would be me. We, it’s depending on how you were raised and where you grew up some of those things, even if you weren’t in the dancing world, you were told to and it’s your so your everyone will benefit from checking that out. But you’re right. I honestly when we did this recap. I’m like, should we just like replay because there’s so many good things to say!

Brad Crowell  

Like I listened back to it. And I had I literally pulled out like ten like 30 to 40 second… Like, one-liners. That was like, wow, this is worth talking about. Wow, that’s worth talking about me. It was just really awesome. So did you have to go back and listen,

Lesley Logan  

I feel like I should just do the process. I interview everyone. And then Brad listens to everything. And he like takes a note and da-da-da and it should be like, you know, the length of the interview plus or minus a few more minutes, right? Because it’s like, whatever. It’s a recap and he’s like taking notes. He, two hours later he comes out and I was like, “Oh, how are they? How are the recaps going? Like are you ready to do a couple?” and he’s like, “I’m still on Susanne’s. Everything. It’s all so good.” So I have, I like Brad I agree it’s all so good. And I had a really hard time picking out one thing but I feel like I had to pick out this one which is: I love that she said you have to make yourself a priority. And I also I… the reason is is because I think a lot of people feel guilty when they make themselves a priority. Especially people with children. I feel like they all of my friends with kids like they’re their priority is their children and I’m not saying that that’s a bad thing but i do i do think that like there is it’s I can’t imagine that you you don’t get a little resentful of how much you pour into someone else. Because when they’re not going to reciprocate that when they’re young, maybe when you’re older and you like need them to reciprocate they take care of you so I just really I really loved how much she talked about making yourself a priority. That I mean she she couldn’t have like made the Be It Till You See It podcast more explanatory like this. When she’s talking about like, “You have to be what you want to be,” and I’m like, “Yes, you do!” And I’m like, “You should just come on every week.”

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, she talked a lot about the beauty, you know, that that that we individually have. Yeah. And just the way that she said it was like, like, wow, you know, really revelatory, and I really appreciated how she sees other people, because I thought, you know, here’s someone who is an incredible, incredibly observant person, obviously, and, you know, the fact that she, it took her that long to observe herself. Yeah. is, you know, I feel like it’s normal. I feel like, unfortunately, it’s just the way that we are as people. We have hearts of servitude. And so we end up putting ourselves last. And, and I’m not saying that you shouldn’t be serving people. That’s not my point. My point is, we never make time for ourselves. And so when we never make time for ourselves, at the end of the day, it you know, we’re just exhausted or builds resentment, or, you know, you feel like people don’t appreciate you or whatever. And, and I think that the way that Suzanne was talking about it, finally, now, she said, I’m in my 40s, it took me to be in my 40s to go do the thing that I really wanted to go do.

Lesley Logan  

And I. So I say this a lot. When I coach people in their business, I say you’re the only person who can do what you do that you do it. You’re it right. And even if you’re not a business person and business owner, you don’t have to be, you are the only you. And the reality is is like what you’re here on this planet to do who you are as a person. It’s so freakin awesome. And she said that she says, when you realize how much of a beautiful and worthy soul you are, you will put out what is important to you before pleasing someone else. And that’s the thing, right? If you don’t realize that if you don’t show up as your, yourself 100% then the people that you’re here… the people around you in your life, they’re not, they’re, they’re not going to get all of you. And then it’s a trickle down effect, right? Everyone’s getting half the energy of something they’re getting, and, and so it’s just that if you make yourself a priority, you have more energy, you have more time the people around you are transformed and affected the people that you, you that you’re raising, or the people that you’re partners with – all of that – it affects everyone. And so I just wish we all would just go on below selfish. And be first and then. So anyways, couldn’t love that more. I do you love that? She said,

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I think so. You know, I was thinking about this a lot. Because like I said, there were so many things, I actually think that what blew my mind was how vulnerable she was across the board. So you know, I’m not kidding, I almost cried listening to her interview, because she is just so like, what’s the right way to describe it? She’s very soft, right? But when she speaks, you listen to what she has to say. Like she’s, she’s clearly not the person who has to raise her voice to get across her what she needs to say. But through the interview, you know, she shared some incredibly dark moments that she has experienced. And I just I hurt for her thinking like, wow, you know, because she’s obviously a sensitive being. And, you know, the, she said that she had to hit rock bottom three times before finally being willing to put herself first and go do the thing that she wanted to do.

Lesley Logan  

So, if you’re not watching this, Brad is getting a little teary eyed on that. I have the i i think what I love that she said about that is many people wouldn’t share that they hit rock bottom three times. Sure.

Brad Crowell  

No, I mean, who wants to look bad?

Lesley Logan  

Like, oh my god, she like, you had to do it again? Like, you know what I mean? And like, I think there’s a lot of people who are like, why can’t I learn this lesson? Why does this keep happening?

Brad Crowell  

Look, one of those things was losing a seven figure business. Yeah, that is that is devastating.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah. And I think like, the question isn’t, why is this happening to me? It’s like, what is this teaching me and she discovered that on her journey, and, and you’re right, when she, when she, she makes me think – I had this yoga teacher in LA that… he would start the classes by sitting there and not talking. And then everyone would get quiet. Yeah. And then he would start talking. And I remember going, “Gosh, what what an epic presence, that is because I would go into my class, I’m like, “Let’s go. Let’s go.” Yeah. And like you’re like yelling, like, “Why isn’t anyone listening to me?” 

Brad Crowell  

Waving your hands, throwing things…

Lesley Logan  

And like, the, the peace and confidence. And (Brad: Yeah,) I don’t know this confidence, but just the like, this is this is she is where she’s at, like she’s so present. And I think that that it is powerful. So yeah, her vulnerability was awe inspiring.

Brad Crowell  

All right, well, why don’t we talk about some of the Be It action items that that were in there? I mean, like, like I said, there were so many. But what bold, executable intrinsic, or targeted action items, can we take away from the conversation that you had with her? I’m gonna jump in first here, mine was taking a moment. So she talked about in the flow in her life, in her journey of life, right, she, she went into being a ballet dancer, and in a really young age, and was following, following, what people told her to do for her whole, you know, like, early years, and then she got out of it and didn’t know what to do. And so she was really frustrated, but she knew she wanted to leave Germany and come to the United States. And she made this big leap, and she moves to United States. And then she gets right back into another troop in the United States. And so she’s again, following, following, following, right? And then she’s, and then she, she leaves that and she starts her own. And then she leaves that, and she joins this corporate ladder situation. She does that for 10, solid years, you know, and then finally, she starts to start asking the question, you know, are looking at it and going, like, “Am I just repeating everything that I’ve already been doing over and over again?” You know, like, like, all the same mistakes, all the same successes, like is this the same story? It’s just four different ways that it’s the same story. And I really feel like it was after leaving the corporate world, that she and her husband, when they started their entrepreneurial venture, that’s, that’s like the beginning of when you go, like, “What am I doing? What am I doing here?” Like actually taking a moment and be like, “Is there a better way?” Like, “How do I do this?” Like, you know, like, asking questions.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I agree. I’m glad you pointed that out as a great action step, because I think a lot of people wouldn’t see a pause as an action step. They will, (BRAD: Yeah.) Right? And it really is. And I know myself, like I went from my retail job, right into managing studios, I didn’t even take the beat. And so I didn’t, even… if I’d taken the beat, I might have discovered that I don’t like managing people…

Brad Crowell  

Right.

Lesley Logan  

I mean, then we wouldn’t be here. So obviously, everything happens the way it’s supposed to. But since that lesson, when, when different things have happened, I have really tried to do a lot of reflection, like, what did I like about that? What didn’t I like about that before I start something new. And you and I do this a lot. And so I really, I think if you’re going through anything, when you transition, take a pause. Just a moment. (BRAD: Yeah.) and reflect on that. 

Brad Crowell  

I think the most obvious one is, like, dating. (LESLEY: Oh, yeah.) You know, where you, you have a relationship and the, it doesn’t work – go the way you hope. And then you know what, what happens generally? You jump into another relationship, and it doesn’t go the way you hope. And then you jump into another relationship, right. So it’s consistent. If you took a step back, if you took a moment, took a step back and you look at those relationships, you know, aside from the fact that you’re the common denominator – sorry, hard truth… The other thing is, I bet you there are similarities in a) the type of person you’re dating, b) the fights that you had, c) the reasons that it ended, I would imagine that there are consistencies there. And if you actually take a step back, and you look at that, maybe you’ll see “Oh, what if we did things differently?”

Lesley Logan  

We’re not speaking from experience or anything…

Brad Crowell  

No, no, no, of course not.

Lesley Logan  

I just want to say side note, if you want to know about the conversation, Brad and I had when we decided when he broke up with me the first time before we dated?

Brad Crowell  

Somebody better ask the question. Yeah, just to ask us in a DM.

Lesley Logan  

Just ask you to DM if you want to know how, what, what I said to Brad after he dumped me the first time, before we started dating. (BRAD: Ok, ok, yeah.) All right. Sorry. 

Brad Crowell  

What about you?

Lesley Logan  

Well, okay, of course, I can’t have one. I have to have to. I mean, I think we’ve discovered that these recaps are another interview. So I loved… my biggest takeaway from her actions is ask yourself if there’s another way and choosing your own beliefs. And here’s why I love this. So, um, there’s a lot of things that people say, “This is how it has to be.” And just by asking yourself as there’s another way, when we, when I wanted to move to Vegas, everyone’s like, oh, it takes 30 days, at least it does this, it does this. I was like, I’m moving on June 1, we’re moving June 1, what are the other ways 

Brad Crowell  

She literally announced June 1. And I was like, that’s in nine days.

Lesley Logan  

And I said, we’re doing it. And it was a little tricky, because we had not actually found the house yet. But I was like, “No, we’re moving June 1, there has to be another way.” And so contrary to everyone telling me, it’s you probably looked at in July, I was like, let’s just see if there’s another possibility and dreamhouse, everything landed on us because I was open to another way, another possibility of doing things the way people expected. So of course, I love that. And so whatever you’re doing in your life, if you’re coming up against roadblocks, just like ask yourself, if there’s like a left turn you can make to get to the same place, right?

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, I think also too, in her in her context, what she was talking about really was, really was about the the way that you were raised. (LESLEY: Yeah.) And the belief system that was instilled in you by your community, your family, your parents, your, you know, whatever, you know, and, and I think that we, we, we approach situations with assumptions. And, you know, that’s normal. You know, there’s nothing wrong with that. But by being completely locked in to those, that set of beliefs, it can really change the way you experience life. And I think that really was a, what she what she said was, when, when she realized that she was stuck on, in her own mind, that was when… And then she decided to shed that, those beliefs, that was when things really started to change in her own life.

Lesley Logan  

Yeah, I mean, cuz I, you’re right, I think, when people like, we feel that, “I’m just so busy,” or, “I can’t do that, because I have this,” or, “I can’t do this, I have this,” or… I was raised with a different kind of money mindset than Brad. And so we all came into different things. And when she talked about how she could choose who she wants to be, and she can choose that she can choose all the things… in that… freedom is like, I also think ease, and it’s a little uncertain, because now that’s not the loop you know. Like, that’s not the story you know, because you’ve just told yourself a new one.

Brad Crowell  

Sure. 

Lesley Logan  

But if you can actually go, “Is there another way to this thing?” And then believing that that is possible, without the evidence or without going to the people around you who are going to repeat the old story are going to repeat the way that you should be doing it… Oh, you’re gonna find so much possibility in that! And, and it does, it means boundaries. Probably a lot of people have a hard time with that. Or maybe not sharing some things with some family members who want you to do things the way that it’s always been done. (BRAD: Sure.) But that doesn’t mean it’s forever, just so you know. Like, so I think it’s really… I hope that, if you’re listening to this and that takeaway really spoke to you, give it a try and let us know how it goes. Let Susanne know how it went because what I have seen her do and choosing another way and choosing her a new belief system for herself? I mean, it’s, it’s… (BRAD: It’s really exciting.) It’s awe inspiring. (BRAD: Yeah.) Awe, inspiring.

Brad Crowell  

So well, before we, we’re gonna wrap this up here, but before we go, I just wanted to give you a little bit more on what Susanne is doing right now. Her podcast and her company are Point To Rise, that’s P.O.I.N.T.E. You can find her on Instagram at that handle. They’re specifically dedicated to other dancers whose entire identity is wrapped up in ballet. She coaches these dancers through the extreme anxiety, health, health, sorry, healthy competition, body imagery, identity crises, all of that stuff that happens when you are, like, as a child ballet dancer, and, like, your childhood gets taken away from you, and you’re, you’re thrust on the stage in front of tons of people. She’s literally been through it and she is so passionate helping others skip the the rock bottoms that she experienced after the fact. So to find out more you can go to PointeToRise.com P.O.I.N.T.E. To Rise R.I.S.E.com. And… 

Lesley Logan  

Also for you athletes out there I think it’s very similar. I think it’s..

Brad Crowell  

Yeah, it’s not just ballet.

Lesley Logan  

I mean, I guess she’s going to like she’s going to use words about dancers but like if you’ve dedicated your life to learning something…

Brad Crowell  

Gymnastics, I’m sure is the same story.

Lesley Logan  

You know, at some point you age out of that, or you injure out of that. All the stuff that she talks about as so many so many helpful tips for you. So please check it out. (BRAD: Yeah.)

Lesley Logan  

All right. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell  

And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan  

Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful you’re here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? We’re very curious and I’m just actually quite quite nosy… So here’s what I want you to do. You’re going to screenshot your favorite episode tips you’re going to post it on your Instagram you can post it in stories on your feed. Tag us @Be_It_Pod (of course there are some underscores in there) Instagram will tell you… and tag Susanne Purschel @PointToRise and let us know what your favorite takeaways were, which ones you’re going to use. We love it. We’ll share it on ours. And until then, we’ll catch you on the next episode and Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell  

Bye.

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Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Kevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.