Am I Living in a

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Ep. 26 with Lesley & Brad

“I don’t even think I heard the word “mindset” until I was in my 30s. You were either “fine” or “a crazy person,” and that’s not reality.”

Brad Crowell

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Show Notes

Today Brad and Lesley review the last episode’s interview with nutritionist, Uma Naralkar. You’ll hear about how to make new habits, a bit more about the optimal tripod of health, morning routines, and a challenge to be more conscious of the choices we make.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Habits, how to make them
  • Tequila sommeliers, hard kombucha, and jazz clubs
  • The optimal tripod of health
  • Morning walks & vitamin D
  • Being conscious about why you’re choosing what you’re choosing

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Transcript

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Hello, welcome back to the Be It Till You See It podcast interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the thought provoking convo I have with Uma Naralkar. In our last episode, if you haven’t yet listened to that one, pause this now, figure out how you get to that one on iTunes, Spotify and Google Play might be easier. Some of you are on Pandora. There’s also Audible and whatever, wherever you are listening if you’re on YouTube…

Brad Crowell
I mean, I’m pretty sure Facebook and You… and Amazon are gonna have pods now too. (Lesley: Yeah) Amazon definitely does, I’m sure.

Lesley Logan
And on YouTube, you know what, it’s an algorithm maybe just go to the channel. So

Brad Crowell
Anyway. We’re wherever you listen to podcasts.

Lesley Logan
Where wherever you listen, and you are allowed to listen in whatever order you want, you wanna start with number one, my mom got to seven, and we’ll find out if she’s listening still, when she hears this episode. You get to do you, binge out or listen as they come out. That’s me, “I’m an as they come out kind of girl”, because my app doesn’t ever go back to the old ones I missed. (Brad laughs) So anyways, enough about podcasts. (Brad laughs) Brad…

Brad Crowell
Tell me!

Lesley Logan
Okay, so first of all, I’m so excited because in less than two weeks, I get to nerd out with people on all the things that I’ve been studying that they’re doing wrong, and they don’t even know it about their habits and routines. I’m excited.

Brad Crowell
Well, I’m happy that you’re excited. (Lesley and Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan
Thank you. I’m sure you all heard the sound of a husband wonderfully congratulating his wife and validating her feelings right there. (Lesley and Brad laughs) Okay, but seriously, so obviously, Brad and I have been together a long time and so he knows…

Brad Crowell
… I was a little distracted. I got I got a foot, I got kicked under the table. So… (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan
… to kick the table. Cause I’m not allowed to kick the table.

Brad Crowell
I’m so grateful that you didn’t kick the table.

Lesley Logan
Y’all, so just so you know, we get notes from our producers and peeps, and it’s constantly like, please don’t tap or kick the table or touch the table and for sure, they’re all for me. Every single one of them because I can’t sit still. And I I I just I really want to sit on a couch that would be amazing. In my dream life, we’re recording on a couch.

Brad Crowell
That’s interesting.

Lesley Logan
In next next (Brad: Okay) season but…

Brad Crowell
Habits webinar! (Lesley: Yeah) Awesome. So here’s the deal, peeps. Everything that we know about forming habits, it’s a lie. (Lesley: Ha! Totally lies) Yeah. I totally said it – you better watch out. (Lesley: Yeah) But what’s really cool is Lesley now knows that it’s a lie and she’s explaining the truth.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I am. And if you’re listening to this, you couldn’t see me like do a little dance

Brad Crowell
She did she like wiggle her shoulders like tootootoot

Lesley Logan
Make a little noise, we’re gonna get down with our habits in a real way, y’all because you don’t need 21 days. You don’t. And there’s a lot of examples have had that to prove that that theory incorrect. And you don’t you can’t rely on motivation. I’m sure you all have like said you want to do something. And you then don’t feel motivated and you’re like, “Oh, well, it must be assigned”. (Brad: I mean) That you wanna do it…

Brad Crowell
You know, New Year’s coming. So I’m definitely going to make changes with the new me.

Lesley Logan
Oh my Lord, do not even new resolutions. BS-ness. Anyways, y’all so this webinar is free because I can’t not share this information. I am so excited…

Brad Crowell
I’m so proud of your double negative.

Lesley Logan
I knew he would talk about it. (Brad laughs) You want how I get in when I wanna get Brods attention I just say double negative and boom, he is present. Not that he wasn’t already but here’s the deal if you want in on this free webinar, it’s only gonna have a replay for three days. So if you’re someone who’s listening to this, not today or two weeks from now, it’s gone. But if you’re listening to this as it comes out, hey, (Brad: As it comes out) … for those of you who do, this free webinar, you can snag your spot at https://OnlinePilatesClasses.com/habits. That’s https://OnlinePilatesClasses.com/habits (Brad: slash habits) slash habits. And that’s one s not and the others. And, (Lesley laughs) what else can we say about habit? So OnlinePilatesClasses.com/habits free webinar, it’s gonna happen on September 7, (Brad: Septiembre) at 12pm PST, if you don’t know what that time is for you, there are things to Google out there that will tell you but there is a three day replay for those of you who can’t watch it live because it might be 3am your time, I hear you, I see you…

Brad Crowell
Kai pram boowan.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, way to go. That has Khmer y’all, for those wondering. I don’t think we’re tracking there yet. (Brad laughs) But for our Cambodians friends, I hope you love that. So anyways, make sure that you sign up. It’ll be on September 7. It’s a one hour webinar, I keep it short, quick and get you ready to go. There’ll be a special offer situation going on if you watch that live, so you want to if you’re watching on the replay, there’s still something good for you. So just (Brad: true). Sign up, snag your spot https://OnlinePilatesClasses.com/habits, because I can’t wait to share this with you.

Brad Crowell
Awesome!

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So babe, what’s our question this week? We got one.

Brad Crowell
Okay, we totally got one. And the question was, “If you were not teaching Pilates or doing what you’re doing now, what would you be doing instead?” And I kind of thought this was fun. I thought this was a nice like, like, (Lesley: keep on…) what what if, dream kind of situation here? But why don’t you, why don’t you tell us what you would be doing instead if Pilates wasn’t your jam. And I think I’m gonna go with like, not what not what would you be stuck doing, you know, in like, if you didn’t take the life path that you took… I’m gonna go with like, if you could just like swap lives with anybody else. What would you want to be doing?

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I mean, I took this as like, what would I be doing and my next life. (Brad: Yeah) So y’all… (Brad: There’s that) Tequila sommelier and a hard kombucha bar.

Brad Crowell
Oh, that’s so fun.

Lesley Logan
Yeah both. I already know where I need to go to school. I know how much time I need to have, you can better believe I’ve already tried to figure out how to hack my work schedule so I can spend some time in Oaxaca for (Brad: Oaxaca) I… minimum one month, but I would love to go for two because I want a special certification. That will be my tequila sommelier situation. And then, one day in our backyard we will have a whole patio by this beautiful mural that we already have because Be It Till You See It, y’all. And I’m going to put in a bar and it will have hard kombucha on draft that I will brew myself and a whole thing of tequilas, my favorite ones. And I will be able to literally be the person who talks people goes, “Oh, this is the tequila for you.” Like that’s the dream. That’s the dream. That’s what I’d be doing if I like in my next life after my Pilates life. And that doesn’t mean I won’t be teaching Pilates. It’s just that that’s my next life. So I just changed the question.

Brad Crowell
I love it. (Lesley laughs) Okay, we’re gonna… (Lesley: What would you be doing?) So I find that really interesting. So I always imagined when I was younger, that I would open up a jazz bar, (Lesley: Oh) and so… slash restaurant. Uhm…

Lesley Logan
Well, can I be your tequila sommelier? Does… do people who listen to jazz drink tequila? (Brad laughs)

Brad Crowell
Sure, we’ll go with that. (Lesley laughs) I’m sure they do, why would they not? So, so basically, that’s kind of that’s kind of where my head, my heart is at. And I’ve always, I’ve always thought that that would be a fun thing to do. Maybe when I’m older and I’m like, not trying to galavant around the world. And I’m looking forward to to kind of chillin’.

Lesley Logan
I, I can see it! Babe, we live in Vegas. This is not, this is not a hard thing. We could actually probably open up, you know, in the arts district.

Brad Crowell
I would love that. I think that’d be really amazing.

Lesley Logan
And we’ll just ride our bikes down there. And I mean, there isn’t one down there right now. So you, you may just be able to be the first.

Brad Crowell
All right. Well, thank you very much for that question. That’s a great question. Definitely fun to dream to think and to to kind of visualize all that.

Lesley Logan
Agreed! I can’t wait. I’m excited to go to school. (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
I want to go live in Mexico for a couple months. (Lesley: Oh wow) And do a sommelier course…

Lesley Logan
Wasn’t going by myself. (Brad laughs) So y’all can send your questions in DM to @be_it_ pod on Instagram. Whatever the question is, just send it in. We’ll answer on the next recap.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, curious about anything? DM us.

Lesley Logan
Yeah!

Brad Crowell
Please do it.

Lesley Logan
I’m into it.

Brad Crowell
Alright. Now let’s talk about Uma Naralkar. Uma is an integra… integrative. That’s so funny. I didn’t butcher her name, but I’m butchered integrative.

Lesley Logan
I think it’s integrative.

Brad Crowell
Integrative, integrative (Lesley laughs) integrati… integrative (Lesley: Leave it in!) integraton. Uma is in integrative nutritionist (Brad and Lesley laughs… I love you so much!) with a thriving practice in Los Angeles, California. She works as a… at home and abroad helping her clients optimize their health, with small shifts in their diet and lifestyle. Most of her clients are women in their in the age group of 25 to 55. And she specializes in hormonal health, digestive health, and optimal fat loss. And her mission is to help others change the way they are eating, moving and thinking to reverse their symptoms, and live a happier and healthier life. That’s pretty amazing, actually.

Lesley Logan
Well, you know, I’m all about this. I mean, after spending 10 years with stomach issues, when I meet anyone who is helping people reverse the problems that they have in their life and live a healthier life… I thought I was living a really healthy life and my stomach wasn’t digesting stuff, so I really was absolutely drawn to her when I met her. (Brad: Yeah) And anyone helping people solve problems like that I’m all about bringing to you. Because the truth is, is that so much of what we want to do in this life is affected by how we feel, and how we feel is affected by how we eat. So…

Brad Crowell
Yeah, stress. Yay, it’s a party.

Lesley Logan
It’s a party. Okay, so here’s the deal. There was so many things I loved. I mean, it’s Uma and she’s amazing. And there was what we talked about a lot. I have to say, I’m so proud of myself, because I asked her a question no one’s ever asked her. So pat myself on the back as a new podcast host when I interviewed her. Anyways, I’m super humble. Don’t worry, my husband will tell you. (Lesley laughs) So I was, I was looking back on this conversation and something that I really, you know, like that she was talking about was like her experience with food when she came to the US in her 20s. And she, you know, like, we don’t think about it, we think about the way we eat with our family is like, that’s the way people eat, and then you go somewhere else. And she came here and she had these like super sized meals and like, how that affected her. So interesting because when I was studying with my Pilates mentor, for a year, it’s 12 people and we are together. Every few months, we meet, like people fly in to work with this guy. And, and, and I lived down the street. So it was just like, “All right, I’m walking down to go study with my mentor”. And these, the all these people came in from around the world. And we went to this restaurant and it seemed like a healthy restaurant. It was not an American based restaurant, it was definitely like more of an Asian leaning restaurant, and they order their food and the food comes out. And they all were like, “Um, can I get it to go box?” (Brad: Yeah) I think I should split a meal next time. And I’m looking at this bowl of food and I’m like, “That’s too much?” I was like, really and and I had traveled a lot, but I had not… I guess I just you just keep when you’re traveling, you’re like, “Oh, let me taste all this stuff.” So I didn’t realize that this portion sizes were so big. And seeing our food from people visiting the our areas … eyes. I was like, “Oh, wow, yeah, that’s… they’re big. They’re big meals.”

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Well, it’s, I mean, so Uma actually moved here from India. And she said that, mostly food was cooked at home. It was it was healthy and that was on purpose. They ate very little meat and meat was like a treat for them. And they would get it on the weekends, kind of thing. And then she moved here and as a college student, and you know, she’s doesn’t have that much money and, what’s the cheapest option? (Lesley: Yeah) Is a supersize meal and she was like, “What is… this is an insane amount of food! How is this the cheapest option? What is happening here?” And I think I think that that was a mind blowing experience for her. And so anyway, yeah, that’s pretty funny. I definitely, I definitely remember when we were traveling a lot, noticing the difference when we go elsewhere. (Lesley: Yeah) When we’re not in the United States, and we ordered dinner, and I’m like should I order… should I order more? I think the reality is we just eat too much.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I know. I’m been working on that. I’m just making, I think even recently, we are both ordered one last roll of sushi and I was like, “Look at us (Brad: Yeah) having just the right amount of food.” (Brad: Yeah yeah yeah) and not being stuffed.

Brad Crowell
I mean, that’s a hard thing. You know, I I was definitely taught, like, clean your plate, you should have no food, all that stuff. And so and also, I still have this like mentality of… I remember being so proud that I was able to eat more when I was a teenager, right? And my mom being like, “He’s a growing boy,” you know and like, I was like, “Yes, I am.” And I was like, “I’ll have another piece of chicken or whatever it was.” And I and I always I have this became a badge of honor where I was like, “I eat more than everyone else here at dinner”. And I’ve done that now for you know, most of my life. And you know, now that I’m in my late 30s I don’t actually feel good when I eat like that. I just kind of feel like, waaa…

Lesley Logan
Yeah, it’s true. Like, I think you were the one of the few people who said, you know, “It’s okay if you don’t finish all the food,” And I was like, “But there’s people starving out there”. (Brad: Right) Apparently, I eat for them. So I…

Brad Crowell
So what… that’s the story we tell ourselves, right?

Lesley Logan
And it’s not like, you know, whatever you want to do, y’all, I don’t want to I don’t want to tell anyone what they should… I’m not a nutritionist like Uma is, but, it’s really about how you feel and I don’t feel good when I overeat. And so I’m not necessarily like, the, the trophy, like the the model of a healthy eating, but I’m definitely trying to just not feel like I over ate. (Brad: Yeah.) Because then I want to go for the dog walk and I love the dog walk. (Brad: Sure, totally) Anyways, what did you love that she said?

Brad Crowell
Okay, this was, this was really she’s kind of slipped this in there and I thought it was really incredible. She talks about the tripod of optimal health. And I love this visual and her tripod, how she describes it is, leg number one is what you’re eating. Leg number two is your movement and then leg number three is your mindset and mental health. And basically, when it comes to overall optimal health, she said, obviously, you need to be working in all three of those spaces or you’re unhealthy, you can be the fittest, you know, most jacked, you know, gym-rat person who’s like intense about your, your food. And if you’re, you know, beating yourself up mentally, then overall health, isn’t there. (Lesley: Right) Right? Or any two of the three or one of the three or none of the three? I mean, I thought this was a really, really great way to just think about, you know, am I am I being healthy? Am I living in a healthy manner?

Lesley Logan
Well, as same as the people who like eat super, super healthy, they even work out and they beat themselves up. They judge themselves, (Brad: sure) they’re trying to be perfectionist. (Brad: Yeah) Like it tha… like, you just can’t do that. And so actually, this is really interesting. If you are listening to this tripod of health and going “Wow, I think I’m, I think I’ve got my movement down. I think I’ve got my eating down, but I want that health, mental health or mindset down”. My habits webinar, it will be really good for you or vice for on any one of those things, because it’s um, it’s that’s a hard tripod … I feel like to attain, but then once you’re there, I think you could keep it with good habits and routine.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I mean, I think I think that that’s a that’s a valid point and habits would you know, and routine across all three legs of the tripod. I mean, for example, working out, obviously, you got to be consistent. And it’s the same with eating, you can still, you know, put in splurge days, but you know, as long as you’re being conscious and consistent of it, you know, so…

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I think it’s like it’s really just about eating. It’s like fueling, you know, and just being conscious about why you’re, why you’re choosing what you’re choosing, you know,

Brad Crowell
Yeah, and I like the mental health and mindset side of things, because I feel like it’s the easiest one. First off, I don’t think that it’s something that we’re ever taught, you know, as growing up, right? You know, we all go to gym class, and then we, you know, we’re taught about the food pyramid, which is a crock of shit. (Lesley: Lie…) (Lesley laughs) But but but the but nobody ever talks about like, Hey, how you think about yourself, treat yourself until later on in life.

Lesley Logan
I agree. No one was like, “Hey, Lesley, stop being so hard on yourself” when you’re like, I feel like they’re like, “Oh, she’s just try so hard”. She’s such a hard worker and you get… I got so much affirmation for being a hard worker. And being a perfectionist that like (Brad: yeah) like, you know, no one was just like, “It’s okay for you to get that wrong”. It was like you got to B? I got marched back to the teachers. You know, I think I might have had to see in there but still, like, there was no if it wasn’t straight days, that it was not so and…

Brad Crowell
I don’t even think I heard the word “mindset” until I was in my 30s. (Lesley: Right) Like, never, I don’t know, like I heard about mental health, but it was always like, “Oh, that person is crazy. They don’t have good mental health.” (Lesley: Right) You know, (Lesley: It wasn’t…Yeah you…) you’re either like fine, or you’re a crazy person and that’s not reality. That’s (Lesley: No) like mental health. Like, yeah

Lesley Logan
Y’all, please no one, no one for the mental health of the apps sponsors the show, but please, please, please, I’m such a big fan of therapy. I think everyone should have it and I think that please find either one of the apps that you know you can do, or get an actual therapist or…

Brad Crowell
You can connect with someone and chat with them.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, yeah, please because it’s, it’s it’s a key thing that we… we’re not, at least in the States. No one’s been like, no one talked to my 10 year old self and was like, “Hey, chill out.” (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
This is part of your tripod of optimal health.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Anyways, I think that’s such a good one. I am, you know, what this made me think of is if you think back to um Amy Ledin’s episode she has, she has this really interesting thing that she does with people which is behavior habit. You want to like work on a activity habit and a nutrition habit and a growth habit.

Brad Crowell
That’s episode five. (Lesley: Episode five) If you’re trying to look that up everyone.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, she she has these things where she helps people pick one out of each of those things. So behavior, activity, nutrition, growth. And that is a great way to think about your day. Like, what’s one thing you want to do for activity? “Hello movement”. One thing you want to do for nutrition? “Hello eating”. What’s one thing you want to do for growth of behavior? That’s mental health and mindset. Boom! So

Brad Crowell
That’s the tripod right there.

Lesley Logan
It’s your tripod. (Brad: Oh Yeah) Okay. Well, we love that. All right.

Brad Crowell
Amazing. Well, finally, Babe. Let’s talk about the BE IT action items that you covered with Uma.

Lesley Logan
There are so many good ones.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, actually, she she had a full list. (Lesley: She did) And so I feel like we’re not going to cover all of them. So it’s definitely go back and listen, she she’s lovely and she has a lot to say on these things. And also what I loved was the things that she said were all of them were free. (Lesley: Yeah, free.) You could literally do them you don’t need you don’t need to buy anything, do it. Like it’s just a step a series of steps. So anyway, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items did we take away from your convo with Uma? The thing that I gravitated to was cooking at home, or at least at the very least getting involved in the in the cooking process. And I I actually really enjoy cooking, it’s something for me that is relaxing, and creative. And, you know, I get to I kind of get to nerd out in the kitchen and put my music on and you know, I think it is more creative than anything else. But there’s also that of course the science behind it making sure that it’s cooked properly, right? So but what she was talking about was getting involved in what it is that you’re eating is going to help you with your health, your your food part of your optimal tripod, your health tripod.

Lesley Logan
I love that and I it makes me want to figure out how we can get it so you can cook more because I love I love your meals, especially when it gets colder. I’m just putting it out there. I would like more carrot soup. (Brad and Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
That’s a good soup.

Lesley Logan
It’s a good soup. Um, okay, well, yeah, I agree her I really did love that all of her be it action items were free because sometimes, you know, we I never know people are gonna say for the be it the things and sometimes like, “Hire a coach”. And it’s like, well, (Brad: right) You know… Yes. And I remember when I was first starting out that was hard or like, “Have a therapist.” Yeah, but if you don’t have health insurance that covers it. I understand those are expensive. So all of her things were free and one of my favorites, which should not surprise anyone who knows me is get sunlight on your face in the early hours. Y’all…

Brad Crowell
Vitamin D, baby.

Lesley Logan
I even woke up late the other day because I didn’t set my alarm, my sunrise emulation alarm. I never set it the night before I just fell asleep. And luckily, I’ve changed my life so that that happens. I’m still gonna be okay. But I woke up at an hour later than I normally don’t I was like, “Oh my God, did August have to get walked!” And my dad who’s still living with us, he is like, “I already walked them” and I was like, “Well, I need to go for a walk.” So I took a dog cuz I just… it’s really important to me that in the morning I get a walk outside and not just because it gets hot here in Vegas, but also like I just think that that morning air, that morning sunlight is so important to have and it really does change like I woke up a little bit stressed out and on that dogwalk not stressed. (Brad: Yeah) It wasn’t like “Oh my God, I’m running late. I started the day” like nope, I got this vitamin D which is like a total positivity drug. It’s amazing what our bodies can take out in us and and it reset my day. So even if you’re someone who wakes up on the wrong side of the bed, you know, like you you get that that vitamin D that sunlight on your face in the early hours and something I’m really committed to before the end of this year is getting us like outdoor furniture. So that I can go and enjoy our outside (Brad: Yeah) in early hours before it does get hot here, but also before the workday starts just so that you can like, really e… be present in your day, so big on that one.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I’m gonna I’m gonna chime in with some vitamin coffee, vitamin C.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, we are we we actually, you know, what’s really funny is that we did a, there was an interesting … there that we’re not editing out, that’s everyone. Are you drinking coffee right now?

Brad Crowell
Yeah. (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan
It’s 7pm.

Brad Crowell
It’s good.

Lesley Logan
Oh, my God. Okay. Well, one thing I’m committed to doing is I really on the other day, we went for a walk in the middle of the day. (Brad: Yes.) And while we real… truly cannot do that, June, July, and most of August, on the days that we can’t I think it’s really good for us to go do that together so that you sir can get some sunlight on your face.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Yeah. (Lesley laughs) I’ve been I’ve been breaking up my my day a little bit and putting a walk in there. It’s been nice.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. It’s so nice and you know, I love 10,000 steps a day. That’s me! Well, all right, everyone. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so incredibly grateful for you. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending us a DM to the pod on IG. All you have to do is screenshot this episode, type on the episode what your takeaway was, (Brad: Do it!) tag @be_it_pod and it will automatically show up in my DMs. I love seeing them, it truly makes me so happy because it shows me that what we’re doing here is helping you Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell
Bye now.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week so you can.

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And to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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