What Actions Are

You Teaching?

Ep. 92 with Lesley & Brad

“Actions are caught not taught.”

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Show Notes

How you treat yourself matters and your actions teach others. Dig into this cheerful convo with Brad and LL today as they jump from kindness to the Time Cube, to goal setting.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • OPC’s new team members!
  • The difference of Occupational Therapy
  • Determining realistic goals based on your situation
  • Working your way back up
  • Celebrating the things you have already done
  • The importance of a time cube
  • Actions are caught not taught

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Lesley Logan 0:01
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.


Lesley Logan 0:47
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to talk, we’re gonna dig into the cheerful conversation I had with Natasha Caleel in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and get cheered up over on the other episode. And then come back and listen to how we decide this episode. Super cheerful. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. (Brad: Awesome) Okay, so it’s been a couple weeks, but we are excited to announce that we actually hired a few people for our team.

Brad Crowell 1:14
Yeah, we did. (Lesley: So …) And which is like, amazing, terrifying, exciting, all the things all rolled into one.

Lesley Logan 1:21
Yeah, it’s all those things rolled into one. And I think that’s like, everything, like, everything is exciting. And then there’s also like, the other side of it. So um, we, Lindsay, my Executive Assistant of four years, she’s having a baby or had a baby at this point. (Brad: Yup) And she and her husband decided that she was going to be able to stay at home. Just be a mom, (Brad: Yeah) indefinitely. And so that was so exciting for her.

Brad Crowell 1:47
Yeah. (Lesley: I’m so excited for her.) And super sad for us.

Lesley Logan 1:49
I was like, “I’m so excited for you” with tears going down my face. And she had tears going down her face, which just means, you know, anyways, that’s how life goes. So we’re so happy for her. And it allowed us to put out a job posting. And honestly, I feel like this is the first time we’ve ever like, done anything like this. (Brad: Yeah) And we, one of the girls, I ended up talking to for a different reason, for OPC membership, and I was like, “This girl be a great assistant for Brad.” And he wa… and he was like, “What am I gonna have an assistant do?” And my assistant was like, “Read your email. That’s a year and a half to start with.” Anyways, because of this big change in our business. It actually made us interview several people. And we’re like, “We love all these people for different reasons.” (Brad: Yup) So, Sam Hall is our is my new Executive Assistant. And I really love her and she’s local. I’ve never had an assistant on the same timezone as me.

Brad Crowell 2:44
Yeah, or the same anything (Lesley: I know) like she’s in the same city.

Lesley Logan 2:47
She’s in the same city. Should we go to the same people? (Brad: Yeah) And all the same things. So that’s fun. And Brad has an assistant.

Brad Crowell 2:55
Yeah, Tika joined the team. And she doesn’t live in Las Vegas but that’s okay. We are the same timezone at least. She’s in Southern California. And that it’s it’s actually, it’s exciting. It’s exciting to have someone that I can kind of pow-wow priorities with and just talk through different situations, and then also ask her to handle some of the things that you know, normally I’ve tried to get to, but I might not actually get to. So that’s been really, it’s, it’s new, it’s new, so it’s good.

Lesley Logan 3:32
I’m excited for you. And then we brought on this amazing woman named Kamilah, and she’s in Texas, and she has actually been following our videos for a really long time. And she is super awesome. And loves Pilates and loves what we do. And she is helping us with our flashcard sales, which is really exciting because those cards need to be in every shelf. (Brad: Every… they need to be in everywhere) I want to go to every shelf, I want to see them in every bookstore, I want to see them in every shop because especially those mat ones, everybody needs these cards … If you, if you’re listeners and you’re heard on my cards, you need my cards.

Brad Crowell 4:04
But yeah, so basically this this rolls right into the qu… the listener question and that’s kind of why we started talking about the new team. Someone asked, “I heard that those cards are available for wholesale, how does that work?” And … (Lesley: How does that work?) How does that work? So actually, we we brought on Kamilah to focus on exactly that. And if if you are interested, if it’s interesting to you to have these cards in your whether you have a studio or like a shop (Lesley: a shop) or any of that kind of stuff.

Lesley Logan 4:40
So your friend has a shop, (dog noise) (and thank you Gaia) and also like hello UK, Europe. I have so many clients (Brad: Right) for you. (Brad: Yeah) So basically when you’re a wholesaler you get to buy them at a different price than we sell them retail. Then you sell them retail and you make the profit which is really fun for you. And the truth is because these cards can be shipped all over the world. The shipping isn’t is sometimes more than the cards, but if somebody buys them wholesale, the shipping is actually much cheaper when you buy in bulk, and then you get to resell them to your people or we’ll send your people because I send our Australian, Canadian dealers, clients all the time.

Brad Crowell 5:17
Yep, in New Zealand, same same story. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) So, you know, anyway, we there will be a link in the show notes if you are interested in connecting with Kamilah and you can actually just fill out your information and then the two of you can hop on a call and figure out how does all this work? You know, to actually wholesale the flashcards and when this, well, we will have while the Mat and the Reformer flashcards are out and then we are very close for the Cadillac …

Lesley Logan 5:46
Yeah, you can preorder the Cadillac if (Brad: Yeah) you were wholesaling. We have, we yeah, so those are, those are all happening and they should be in a store that you have or near you. So if you know someone also send them to Kamilah. (Brad: Yes) Anyways (Brad: I love it) Yeah, it’s (Brad: Cool) a great question. Thanks for asking that. And welcome to the team, y’all. I, it is like so crazy. It is so crazy. (Brad laughs) Like, I was going through, Brad’s going, I was training Sam. And I was like, “Here, let’s go to the people on the team. So you know, like, who does what?” And then I was going through and there’s like five names like, I actually don’t know who these people are. (Brad laughs) That’s a little embarrassing on your first call with your new boss. I’m gonna assume we just, they must do our taxes, all the taxes, taxes, taxes. (Lesley laughs) I just gave everyone the tax job. I mean …

Brad Crowell 6:33
We have 35 accountants. What? (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan 6:35
Yeah, yeah. But at any rate, like we have some incredible people that have joined this family. And people stay a really long time. And I’m really proud of us for that. I’m proud of the family that we build, (Brad: Yeah) the team we build and like the mission we’re all working towards. And it is really cool to have people want to be part and support that mission. And (Brad: Yeah) I’m ex… excited for you. You might be in inbox only 3000 instead of 37,000. Giving me a heart attack.

Brad Crowell 7:01
Yeah. Good things, it’s already begun to change. So that’s, that’s kind of actually amazing as well. Okay, let’s talk about Natasha Caleel. (Lesley: Yeah) A mother, Occupational Therapist and self starter who combined her expertise to specialize in prenatal and postpartum health. Natasha is now the owner of Fit Mama Santa Barbara, helping women embrace their strength and feel strong, confident, feel confident in their own skin.

Lesley Logan 7:31
You know what? I just realized we’re gonna have two Santa Barbara ladies on around the same time. So (Brad: Oh) yeah, we have (Brad: so cool) another Santa Barbara lady coming up. It was amazing. So …

Brad Crowell 7:40
I love that. (Lesley: Yeah) Well, one thing right out of the gate that I thought was really cool was her brief, I’m just inserting my own talking point here. I’m off (Lesley: That’s fine) script, everybody. (Brad laughs) (Lesley: We rarely stick to the script.) Yeah, I know, it’s a, it’s just a guideline, you know, life, life lifes. (Lesley: We’re having a good time.) You know we are having a good time. (Brad and Lesley laughs) (Lesley: Get out of my brain.) So she said, “An occupational therapist, as opposed to a physical therapist.” And I thought, I thought, wow, I didn’t even know. (Lesley: There’s a difference.) I heard of them. I heard of them. But I don’t think I ever really thought like, “Oh, what, what is the difference until it was pointed out?”

Lesley Logan 8:14
I really thought it was like a therapist who went to your work like … (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell 8:18
Yeah. And I think I, so the way she described it was that an Occupational Therapist considers your environment that you’re in. (Lesley: Yeah) Right. So it’s not just like, what’s wrong with the muscle that’s in your shoulder or whatever. But, you know, do you have to, you know, lift your plates down from the top shelf and use that shoulder? Like, they help you in a, in reshape the environment that you’re in, in addition to or focusing on your body.

Lesley Logan 8:44
Yeah. And so like, you know, you you could maybe, maybe there’s your lower back hurts because you keep reaching up on this one shelf. And so, you know, they you would be if you were just going to a ther… like a Physical Therapist, they would just work on your back. (Brad: Right) They would keep reaching up that top shelf, and then the Occupational Therapy like, “Oh, why are your plates there? Maybe we should put your plates over here.” (Brad: Yeah) You know, or, “Let’s get you a stepladder or let’s strengthen this connection so that you can reach those plates (Brad: Yeah) because maybe you …”

Brad Crowell 9:11
Or call your, your your growing 14 year old and be like, “Get the plates instead of me.” (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan 9:16
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think it’s, I think it’s so cool. We keep learning about different people. Like there’s so many jobs out there. So many things you can be in this planet. But um, I think it’s really cool. I think there should be more people thinking holistically about everything that you’re doing, because it’s (Brad: Yeah) really difficult. And I mean, like, just that leads into what I love, which is like determining realistic goals based on your situation. You know, I just did a talk, the time we recording this, where about habits and I was in Boulder City, I was about habits and I was like, “Who here has like a like a thing that they’re wanting to do?” And everyone raise their hand and I’m like, “Okay, so on a scale of one to 10 raise your hand if your ability to do that is above a seven.” Ba ba ba ba ba down.

Brad Crowell 9:59
No one raise their hand?

Lesley Logan 10:00
No, because I said, “Yeah, because everybody wants to do something that’s bigger than they can do. But your goal actually has to be something that you actually have a chance of doing. It should be a little bit of a stretch.” And so this one girl, she said, “I want to be a morning person.” And I said, “Wow, that’s amazing. What does a morning person do in your opinion?” And she said, “Oh, okay, I’m going to get up, and I’m going to go for a walk. And I’m going to sit and meditate. And I’m going to read a book, and I’m going to, like, taken like, the morning, I was gonna, like, ease into it.” And I’m like, “Wow, how much time do you think that is?” She just like, “I think two to three hours.” I said, “Okay. (Brad: Wow) So co.. if I, if I said, set your alarm three hours early tomorrow, could you do it?” And she was like, “Oh, no.” And I’m like, “That can’t so the goal of being a morning person is not realistic. But the goal of maybe getting up and going for a walk. (Brad: Right) It how much time do you want to go for a walk?” She’s like, “20 minutes.” I said, “Okay, so if I ask you to get a …” (Brad: So it was 20 minutes realistic.) 20 minutes. Yeah. So like, really, it’s really important. I think a lot of us set ourselves up for failure from the get go with our goals, and then we are, and then we are, then we, because we do that, then it’s like one more thing we didn’t do. But it’s like, if we actually set a realistic goal, we can achieve that. Oh, that means you’ll get excited. You’ll celebrate I’ve sensing a theme here this month. And then you can set the next goal. And you’ll be you’ll feel stronger and more confident going into it.

Brad Crowell 11:22
Right. Wow. That’s yeah, I think that the the, the three hour thing could still be a goal, but a long term goal, right? (Lesley: Mm-hmm) That’s like something you can do in six months to a year. But what smaller, you know, bites, can you take out of that goal to get there. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? So the 20 minutes now that that seems achievable and actually it’s it’s it is achievable, and you can then celebrate that, and that can be a win, and then you maintain that win for a while. And then maybe you get up 40 minutes earlier, you know, instead of only 20 minutes earlier. Right. So that you can add the meditation in as well.

Lesley Logan 12:01
Yeah, so and also you just get a, you get used to it. You’re there’s less like grogginess, you get mentally… it’s just easier to set more realistic goals based on the situation you’re in right now. (Brad: Hmm) You know, when I had a broken leg, I couldn’t go, okay, when my leg is like, I can’t go, “Okay, I’m going to start running.” That’s not realistic goal I could want to run, I could, you know, but I have to understand that like, my leg was a lot of weight on it. (Brad: Sure) What were some fitness goals I could do at that time. So just being honest with yourself. And so you’re, you’re not resentful of the situation you’re in instead, you’re actually seeing what is possible.

Brad Crowell 12:35
Well, you definitely have just strayed into my territory of (Lesley: Okay) what I really loved.

Lesley Logan 12:41
I like to dabble. (Brad: Yeah) (Brad laughs)

Brad Crowell 12:43
She, Natasha said that there was major changes that she didn’t expect when after she had her baby. I mean, she knew obviously, there will be changes, right? But she said, menta… mentally and physically, she had made the assumption that she would just like, “Get back on the horse afterwards, and like be good to go.” And then realize that’s not feasible to just like jump back to 100%. She had to work her way back up now is pretty funny, because we just had a really great conversation about running in … (Lesley: two episode to go) Yeah, couple pods back and the idea of changes and postpartum I’m going to make the parallel to starting a new or having an injury just like you were talking about with your knee. And you know, when you she actually mentioned an injury as well. So like, if you were playing football all the time, and then, you know, you hurt your back really bad. You know, you’re not going to be able to get back out there and just go full steam again, just like you used to, you got to work your way back up to it. And when you were talking about running you you mentioned that every because it’s Vegas, and it gets like insanely hot here. You’ve actually stopped running for months (Lesley: Yeah) every year. (Lesley: Yeah) Right. And then when you start again, you can’t just like run for miles, it doesn’t happen. Right? (Lesley: No) So you got to actually, you said you are picking an incremental point, just like we were just talking about realistic goals. Okay, so that incremental point is, is like, only maybe six blocks, maybe that’s like a half a mile or something, you know, so “Okay, so I’m going to run half mile, and then I’m gonna walk the remaining path,” (Lesley: Yeah) you know, and then maybe a month later, you can add another half mile to it. (Lesley: Yeah) And now you’re running a mile and then you’re walking, you know, two or three miles after that, and then slowly, you’re increasing your amount so that you can get back to (Lesley: Yeah) full steam.

Lesley Logan 14:37
And then just you know, the increase is compounding because typically, you would only should increase your distance in your cardio about 10% a week. So 10% does not go on a lot that first week if you’re only doing six bucks. (Brad: Right) But then the second week now that 10% is compounded, right? So and by the way, we’re not saying (Brad: Mat) that if you’re (Brad: Yeah) postpartum that that is like the same as an injury it’s not but like it is a transition in your life and in your body. And I do like that she brought up mentally and physically because I think whether or not you will ever be postpartum that’s not you know, in my cards, but I would, I think we assume that when something happens that either happens physically to us or mentally to us, but the two are very interconnected.

Brad Crowell 15:23
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right.

Lesley Logan 15:26
So cool. We love you Natasha. Okay, BE IT action item.

Brad Crowell 15:31
Finally. You just steal my … yeah (Lesley: I, you don’t have script …) Finally, let’s talk about the BE IT action items that you have… Alright. Alright. So finally, let’s talk about those BE IT action items that you have wiht Natasha Caleel. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with her?

Lesley Logan 15:47
Are you going to jump in or you want me to jump in?

Brad Crowell 15:51
I’m gonna jump in. (Lesley: Okay) So I’m gonna I’m jumping in because I picked two. (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan 15:56
I see that. I can see, I was like, “Um, what?” You started off script today. You just were like, “I’m just like … (Brad: I’m taking over.) If anyone knows the four tendencies, such a rebel here, such a rebel.

Brad Crowell 16:07
Brad’s cactus show. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) Oh, we’re not talking about that. I know. (Lesley: No, no.) Okay, okay. So first off, I thought this was hilarious because apparently, this is something you do too. Natasha said, you know, when she sits down to do her to do list, she actually writes down all the things she already did, that were like floating around in her head. And then she writes them down and immediately checks them all off. And she’s (Lesley: Yeah) like, “Look at all these wins, I just have.”

Lesley Logan 16:31
… I mean, oh, my God, hello, I’m recovering overachiever over here. So like, I do it, especially on the days where like, (Brad laughs) I didn’t check off. And I’m like, “You know what I also did, though, I did all of these. I drank my green juice. I made the coffee. I I fed the dogs.” I like things that like I just put them on there. They’re not on a to do list because I just do them. But if I if I’m needing a little extra, and my celebration …

Brad Crowell 16:53
A liitle boost. (Lesley: Yeah) Yeah. So I thought that was really funny. And I mean, why not? You know, because it allows you to kind of evaluate what you did this morning or that day or that week or whatever. And, and again, celebration is key. Right? So checking those things off is like a micro dose of I don’t know what is happening in your brain exactly. But you’re micro dosing. (Lesley: Yeah) So, (Lesley: micro dosing dopamine, that’s what you’re doing) Yeah, all those things. And and it’s, it’s a, it’s very valuable. So the the actual thing I picked was setting a timer. (Lesley: Yeah) And, you know, you definitely mentioned, “Oh, Brad’s gonna love this one.” Because you’re right, I actually love the idea of, I’m like, semi competitive, competitive when I when when it counts, but my, my …

Lesley Logan 17:43
He is not competitive at the gym.

Brad Crowell 17:45
I’ve given, I’ve given that up like a long, long time ago, because I was so competitive, that it would shut me down and I would literally burst into tears as like a 10 year old, 15 year old, I would, I would like if we lost it was like, crushing for me. And then I it was really hard to get back on the horse. So took me a long time to let go of that intensity of competition. However, what I’ve, what I’ve found with this timer, is that it becomes a little mini race for me, you know, of like, “Okay, I’ve got 30 minutes and I got 75 emails. How many can I get through in 30 minutes? Go.” Right And it keeps me focused because I have ADD of ADD, ADHD, I have all the Ds, all of them. And the… if I know I have a timer, I got all the Ds. If I know I have a timer, I actually unconscious of that. It keeps me coming back to my emails because what would normally happen… Yeah, is I go down this like crazy rabbit trail, you know, where I’m like a startup like, “Oh, an email comes in. Alright, makes me think of this thing. I got to do the thing.” And then I’ll just like, “Hoop. I’m no longer my email.” I am like, down the path. Right? And having that timer in front of me, counting down is like, how quickly can I get like maybe I, maybe that’s the thing I need to put on my list to do tomorrow. And I’m just gonna stay in my email and stay focused.

Lesley Logan 19:04
Yeah, I you can set a timer for everything. I remember being a kid and my mom was like, “Okay, five minute pick up” and she’d set a timer and we would all be in the living room. And in five minutes, we’d see how much we could clean. And all if you have five people cleaning the living room in five minutes. It’s clean. (Brad: Yeah) It’s over. It’s done and everyone’s racing. And then it’s like, “Okay, let’s go into the kitchen five minutes.” And it’s such a like, it is a little mini. I mean, my whole family is competitive. So there’s that but I and also this should be a timer, you can see. (Brad: Yeah) Because it does keep your focus if it is on your phone, it is likely that you will see another notification while (Brad: Right) you set your timer. So but …

Brad Crowell 19:41
Yeah, we are proponents of the time cube and we’ll (Lesley: time cube) put a link in the show notes for the time cube and we we just love like, I love it because it’s it’s like it’s substantial. It’s actually like a cube that sits on my desk and it you know, like boop and blinks and beeps at me. (Lesley: And the beep is like …) Wait, how’s it like? (Lesley: …) Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan 20:05
It’s really loud. (Brad: It sounded like a dog.) You know what it sounds like? I know. I ca… Well, I’m not like a, I’m not that guy from like cop show. What was that cop show from the 80s? (Brad: I don’t know) Police Academy. (Brad: Oh.) There’s this guy who could like make sound with his voice and it can make it sound a police siren. Anyways, it sounds like the chirping that your fire alarm, your smoke detector does at three in the morning when you’re …

Brad Crowell 20:27
You’re making it sound so appealing. Yeah, yeah. (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan 20:30
Right. It makes you move. (Brad: It makes you move.) You’re like, you like go click and you move on to the next thing. It’s like it’s like pulls you out of the flow. It’s great. It’s like a pop out. Okay, my biggest takeaway is “be a little kinder to yourself.” Y’all, (Brad: Love that) you have to be kind yourself. If you’re not kind yourself, especially my mom and pops out there. I promise you your kids … (Brad: mamas and the papas) Yeah, I promise you, your kids are noticing that you’re not. (Brad: Hmm) I know this, because …

Brad Crowell 20:58
They might not even realize that they’re noticing it, but they are.

Lesley Logan 21:01
So um, so I mentioned in another episode that I spoke at, in Boulder City about habits. And so there’s like all these small business owners there. It was a very, it was really cool. It was a really cool thing. And way to go the studio BC because you guys rocked that it was you know, events like that are hard. But anyways, one of the moms there came up to me afterwards. And she’s like, “Thank you for your talk. My daughter was like, Are you taking notes, you should be taking notes, or you listen to what she’s saying, you should be doing this. You need to be taking care of yourself … (Brad: Wow) things.” And she said, I said, “Yeah, your daughter needs to see you do that because she needs to know that she should do it too when she’s older. When she’s a mom, or she’s taking care of people.” (Brad: Yeah) So if you are not kind to yourself, I promise you actions are caught not taught, you’re literally talk… you’re literally showing people how they should treat you, and how they should treat themselves. And so, you know, if I just if everybody was like a little kinder themselves, you would act like you, you might even think you’re a very kind person. But if I actually printed out like your transcript of your brain, I bet you is not so nice. But if you’re kinder to you, it’s so much easier to be kinder to other people, because you’re not resenting how much kindness you’re spreading. (Brad: Yeah) Because you gave some to you first. So …

Brad Crowell 22:16
Yeah, I think also goes back to the changes from postpartum mentally and physically, like, as you’re getting back on the horse, be kind to yourself.

Lesley Logan 22:23
Yeah, especial… Oh, my goodness, I, you know, I hope that all the women having babies right now are living in a different time where like, we have demystified that like you have a baby. And then a week later, you have your pre baby body back. I hope that we live in that time … (Brad: That’s not how it works.) No. But I think you know, whether you’re like whether it’s during your pregnancy or after, like, goes back to have realistic goals, be kind to yourself, set goals that are realistic, that doesn’t mean like it’s not a goal, just because you can actually achieve it is like that’s a good thing. Go work on that. And be kind to yourself and just with your expectations on on your body and what you can do, like, don’t put 50 things in a day, if you know, you can only do 25.

Brad Crowell 23:14
So guilty of that.

Lesley Logan 23:15
You really are. So Brad, be a little kinder to yourself. (Brad: Okay) Okay. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 23:22
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 23:23
Thank you so much for joining us today. And I’m just so grateful for Natasha and women like her and what they’re doing in this world. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by screenshotting this, putting the takeaway on that and tagging Natasha, and the @be_it_pod so that we can also celebrate you and cheer you on.

We actually will celebrate (Lesley: Oh) with you by the way. (Lesley: I love celebrating with people.) Like PS. (Lesley: I frickin love celebrate with people.) Like you can tag us and we are humans. We are here.

All of our retreaters are tagging me and like they’re like wins, like they’re doing, “I’m like doing a rock right now. I’m doing my gemstones. I like did this. I got seven new clients.” And I’m like, like, “This is so amazing.” So I promise you, whether you’re a stranger or someone I know, if you tag this podcast with your takeaways. I will encourage you, I will celebrate with you because I know how, I know that an extra step. (Brad: Yeah) I know that is putting out into the ethers like this is what I’m going to do, which makes you be a little bit more accountable to it. But also I want to, I want to help you, I want to celebrate you being kind yourself. So let us know. Tag the pod and we’ll catch you on the next episode. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 24:27
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan
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Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.

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And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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