Your Toolkit for Taming Self-Imposed Limitations

Ep. 286 Ryan Lindner

“You have no control over what outcomes or what other people think of you. You have to love you.”

Ryan Lindner

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Ryan Lindner is a personal development specialist who has worked as a behavioral coach for clients and top organizations all over the world. After two sudden, unexplained cardiac arrests at a young age, he began to explore different perspectives with clients that come with any profound, life-changing event. If you aren’t living, you’re dying. It wasn’t uncommon for Ryan to teeter on unconsciousness even, at times, while working with a client, requiring him to prioritize his own energy and time masterfully, and assist clients to do the same.

Show Notes

In this podcast episode, Lesley Logan engages in a thoughtful discussion about anxiety, introversion, and imposter syndrome with Ryan Lindner. Detailing a pivotal life-changing event, Ryan shares how he transformed his outlook, the inspiration for his book, ‘The Half-Known Life’, and how he overcame self-doubt.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Ryan’s journey as personal development coach
  • The misconceptions about fixing introversion and anxiety.
  • Why people with anxiety seek approval and please others.
  • The importance of defining relationships from the start.
  • How to manage pre-talk anxiety and foster self-trust

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Ryan Lindner 0:00
And I learned through working with executives is that you know we a lot of people in the working force especially in corporate America think you know all these big executives have it all figured out all the time. They’re the scary executives but no, they don’t have it figured out a whole lot. They just they’re confident they’re confident and they’re not knowing they’re confident. And they can do one thing that I really struggled with anxiety and that’s be okay in uncertainty.



Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.


Lesley Logan 1:12
Okay, where are my introverts at? Where are my peeps who feel like impostor syndrome has got them down? I have a great, this guest is for you. He’s actually also just an incredible journey of his career and what he’s gotten to but we mostly discussed discussed like, impostor syndrome and getting over yourself and living in uncertainty. And people on pedestals like this is like the thing. And so if you are someone who is like just really having a hard time, not worrying about being an introvert or having impostor syndrome, or even just like letting people intimidate you, or my people, pleasers at, we’ve got something there for you as well. So Ryan Linder is our guest today, he is the author of The Half-Known Life. And so we don’t get too much into his book, but I am very intrigued to read it. I’m actually really excited about it, because he’s had this incredible journey. And, and it was, he said, That was a 10-year journey for this book. So you know, that’s going to be a good one. I am incredibly overjoyed with what we talked about. And I really think it is a nice pep talk that you need on this day. So here is Ryan Linder.

Lesley Logan 2:20
All right, Be It babes. I’m really excited because I know how much you guys like to talk about impostor syndrome. I know how many DMs I get about oh my gosh, oh, we should do this. But like, I just have so much impostor syndrome. And so when I actually found today’s guest, I found that like, he’s actually someone who knows impostor syndrome really well, and has managed to make an amazing life for himself getting over it and has an incredible book for us all to read. So, Ryan Lindner is our guest today. And I’m just so excited. Can you tell everyone who you are? And how you got here? What made you get into this whole role and go through this journey that you’ve been on?

Ryan Lindner 2:53
Yeah, thanks for having me. Super excited to chat about this. You know, growing up, introvert, super introvert, had just awful, awful anxiety growing up. And I was drawn to, you know, personal development, but pretty much anything I could sink my teeth, and that would help me sort of move beyond that. It was just such a struggle for so many years. I mean, I would I remember giving talks when I was really young, and I’d be it would be so bad. I would like sweat through my shirt. It was like that bad. It looked like I took a shower. It was terrible.

Lesley Logan 3:26
I feel like I feel like a lot of people can go yep, I know that.

Ryan Lindner 3:31
And chronic worrier, chronic worrier. And really struggled to find kind of where I where I fit in, never didn’t know what I wanted to do with my life, and tried to find somewhere where I might fit. And after about a million jobs, not too much of an exaggeration, but pretty close. I fell in to coaching. And I didn’t know that was actually a career option. Never, I never knew that was a possibility. But I found out that I just I could empathize and sort of relate to people really well who were going through that. And that felt like well, you know, I can embrace this. Maybe I can turn that into something. I got an amazing contract and did coaching sessions for people all over the world even work for a federal contract the military. And then I started working with organizations really developing training content, leading trainings for major major companies, building out their training departments helping with their culture transformation, helping train managers so that they, you know, most companies treat people like roles and not people. Yeah. And I would track things like turnover, you know, how do you reduce turnover? How do you so it grew and sort of progressed over the years into things that I would have never ever guessed.

Lesley Logan 4:57
What I what an incredible journey like like to go from like, all these different like, Oh, I’m coaching now I’m coaching corporations now I’m coaching the military now I mean, like, also, like exciting and I imagine like, there were there are probably some moments like oh my gosh, I’m I’m doing this now you know what I mean? Like so how did like how did you? How did you get over? Like? Did you just outgrow the anxiety? Like what was the journey there?

Ryan Lindner 5:25
A lot of people think of anxiety and this is just, you know my approach and you know a lot of my clients when I tell them, hey, I’m really anxious, introvert, a lot of them would be very surprised, because it doesn’t seem like that, you know, I’ve done speeches in front of executives in front of, you know, all kinds of people, generals and you know, all kinds of, and a lot of people think that anxiety, introversion is something that has to be overcome or fixed. That was what I was, I always thought was, I read all the books, I need to do these things to overcome it. You know, we always hear the advice like picture people, in their underwear or some kind of crazy advice. And none of that really worked for me, it was always still there still had the physical symptoms, you know, the sweaty palms, felt lightheaded at times just is terrible. Eventually, I started to think about it differently. I started to think about, you know, what if it was something that didn’t have to fix, like, what, what if I just, it took me quite a while but it was a different mindset with it. In other words, like, I think of it right now as I am truly truly okay with however I show up. Yeah, however, I show up. I love that person. You know, most of us treat ourselves way worse than we would treat people.

Lesley Logan 6:55
Oh, it’s when I mean 100%. You know, I think I tend to highlight what you just said, because so many people that I work with, they’re like, Oh, I can’t go up and just talk to a stranger because I’m an introvert. And I’m like, Well, no, you are a shy person. You’re an introvert because you like you actually gain energy being alone. And, and when they see it like that. It’s like something that is hindering them, like being an introvert is holding them back. But being an introvert doesn’t actually have to be something overcome or has to hold you back. It’s just like how you are as a person in this world who gains energy to show up in this world. And so I love that you’re like, I don’t have to get over being an introvert. I can just be an introvert who also can do these things. Like it doesn’t have to be an either or.

Ryan Lindner 7:39
You’re exactly right. You know, introverts aren’t necessarily all shy, they just kind of recharge, we recharge our batteries a little bit differently. And you know what might be exhilarating or energizing for an extrovert it’s draining for me. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I’ve got to have those boundaries in place.

Lesley Logan 7:59
Oh, yeah. I mean, that’s what you really have to learn is not how to like overcome your introverted Ness. It’s like how to like, say, No, I mean, people don’t believe that I’m an introvert. When I say it, I’m like, Well, I’m a very gregarious, that’s what Brad calls me I say, high functioning. It’s a world that we have to be an extrovert in, like, you have to go out and network you have to put yourself out there. Like, that’s the way the world is. So how do I be that till I see it without changing who I am, or thinking that my way of recharging is wrong, there’s nothing wrong with that. So the other night, we were at a networking event, I went to dinner with this other person, and he’s like, Okay, I’m gonna do something with him, and I’ll meet you at the party. I’m like, oh, we’ll probably arrive at the same time because I’m gonna sit here and order another drink and be by myself.

Ryan Lindner 8:40
That’s what I would totally do as well.

Lesley Logan 8:42
And I just like the whole restaurant, this look because they just got up and I’m like, I’ll have another drink here. And I sat there. I played a video game. I didn’t I enjoyed myself. And then I was like, Okay, I’m excited to go to this party now.

Lesley Logan 8:54
I also enjoy naps. I’m a big fan of naps.

Lesley Logan 9:00
Yeah, so like I actually so it’s like, I think I think introvert is an anxiety and even like the imposter syndrome thing, people think I have to overcome that. But what if it like what you said earlier? I don’t want to put words in my mouth. But I this is what I came to my mind. Like, what if we just it just existed? Like, it’s like, that’s what I have right now. And I’m, you know, how do I like instead of overcoming it, it’s more of like, this is a sign of who I am or that I care about something or that something’s important to me. Like that’s why we have feelings of impostor syndrome or maybe even some feelings of anxiety. So we actually care about the things that we’re doing.

Ryan Lindner 9:34
I think the imposter you know, we feel like we’re somehow diminished because I’m an introvert and I should be an extrovert and then but you know, once I love that person now and I was truly okay truly feeling like I was okay, however I show up. Then some of the anxiety does dissipate on its own. So like even if I would be sweating or you know, be read as a tomato I would just, you know, make a joke of it or like, kind of laugh at it almost like you know. You know, I decided to take a shower right before this and, you know, I just left my clothes on but you know, I think it humanizes you and people can and the audience can relate to that. Yes. And it disarms them and it makes them laugh. It’s an icebreaker.

Lesley Logan 10:24
Well, it’s also like, there’s when I was taking a class on like doing a keynote speech, they said, like, start your speech with something self deprecating. It makes people like you.

Ryan Lindner 10:34
I love it. Actually.

Lesley Logan 10:35
And like, and I’m like, am I self-deprecating, but basically, like by you saying, I decided to get started my clothes on before I walked in here. Like what? Like, when it actually makes people stop looking at that and going, what is oh, you know, actually just like, and everyone laughs and then you’ve caught their attention. So now they’re all listening to it anyway. So it’s actually like, it’s actually like your superpower is that you sweat through your sharp voice?

Ryan Lindner 10:58

Lesley Logan 10:59
So okay, you got into this coaching thing. And then it just kept growing and growing. How? Like, what kind of what was that like for you? How did you put yourself out there to get more clients? Was it income was after you got what you after this, like realization that you can just be an introvert with anxiety and like, it’s going to be okay. And then and then how did that lead you to like writing a book? Like, what was that journey? Like?

Ryan Lindner 11:23
Well, the journey for the book was about 10 years. So I guess better late than never, but it really, I had some things that occurred health wise, when I first started that contract, I actually had a couple of cardiac arrests. And so you know, that’s not too good for someone with anxiety because that kind of

Lesley Logan 11:46
Takes it to the next level, it’s like a vicious cycle.

Ryan Lindner 11:48
Yeah, yeah. But it, I, so I just started that, what I would call my dream job at the time, you know, I had this amazing contract, I had clients from all over the place you know I have psychologists as clients, and I was there for about a month. And I suddenly just dropped dead one day, like I had this, like, cardiac arrest, no family history, nothing like that. And I was back at work five days later, you know, working with clients, because, you know, I had a financial need.

Lesley Logan 12:22
Yeah, I understand that.

Ryan Lindner 12:24
No paid time off, I was one month there. And I’m hooked all these wires, and I’m doing these virtual sessions. Most of them were on the phone, so they couldn’t see it. I was, you know, hooked all these wires and stuff. And, and it really transformed my sessions, though, having gone through that. It just totally made me rethink what I’m actually worried about. And it helped in a very weird way.

Lesley Logan 12:54
That’s so fascinating. And I hate that you had to go back. But I understand the world we live in, like, sometimes you just don’t have, you don’t have the luxury of actually recovering from your cardiac arrest. You have to be back in action. And so, but also like to go through that, and it helps you rethink, I think, I don’t think we have to go through cardiac arrest y’all to rethink like, what are we actually worried about? Like, I think we can actually, we can actually learn how to learn from Ryan’s life. That one we can, we can, you know, live vicariously through.

Ryan Lindner 13:32
Yeah, and, you know, I had one and then the next day had another, you know, just to oh, it just totally, totally

Lesley Logan 13:40
Like an aftershock.

Ryan Lindner 13:42
Absolutely, absolutely, you know, I had the paddles and everything. And to this day, you know, it’s over a decade later, I have, you know, I was young collegiate athlete, no family history, and again, just a random event. And, you know, I got a pacemaker and but one thing that I have to do, which is interesting for someone who’s had anxiety for many years is I the boundaries, you know, I have to have boundaries if I don’t I, I I’m busy. 24/7 so if I don’t have my boundaries in place, or manage my energy, well, then, you know, then I get really sick.

Lesley Logan 14:25
Yeah. So can we talk about that because I I’m, like, obsessed with my boundaries, and like, my whole team, their whole job is just to like, protect the boundaries that I have in place. And at least that’s my assistant’s job. And then when people inquire like, you did not go through the channels, now you’re breaking but like, not every, boundaries are a muscle. And I’m sure one that was really hard for you to even put in place to even think about what boundaries you need to not feel guilty doing it. Like there’s a whole host of emotions like am I like, and we also train people how to treat us so if we never had boundaries? And then we asked to start putting them in place, then people are like, Wait, where is this coming from? So how, what was your boundary journey like? And do you have any tips for those of us who are trying to get better at it?

Ryan Lindner 15:12
Well, a lot of people I’ve worked with, especially those with anxiety, they’re people pleasers. And that’s exactly what I was, I thought that my self-worth and my value came from, you know, getting approval and feeling. You know, and that’s part of what was, you know, the anxiety, the stage fright, and all that was, oh, my gosh, what if I screw this up, you know, low self-esteem and so forth. So having boundaries means you have to say no more, and but some relationships also fall away, you know, maybe they’re toxic relationships, toxic jobs. And I work a lot with people who are going to use like, career transitions as well. You know, and also working with companies, I really understand that dynamic. And it’s, it’s really having to detach from that in some ways. That’s not where your worst comes from. You have no control over what over outcomes or what other people think of you. You have to love you. And you have to, again, kind of own own who that person is.

Lesley Logan 16:22
That I mean, gosh Ryan, you have to repeat that for everybody one more time. So you like it all over wine, this or here it is, you just said it. Like we we cannot control how people think about us. And, and saying yes, and people-pleasing as you trying to control how people think about you. But guess what, just because you said yes to the thing doesn’t mean that you’re controlling how they think about you, or feel about you. And so you actually have to really, like own what you want, as you said, and like really like who you are, and be okay with that. And then you put the boundaries out there. And you know, the right people are gonna be in your life, because they’re gonna respect that. And then and then thank goodness, the bad ones can fall away. Like, thank goodness, you know, we have a lot of people who are business owners here. And recently, my coaching group, one of them was like, How do I fire a client? And, you know, what I wanted to say was like, well, if you have strict boundaries in place from the get-go, you would never have to do that. Because like, they just wouldn’t, they wouldn’t get through the filter, you know, like, it’s like, it’d be really hard for them. But what happens is, sometimes we like say yes to people in our businesses, because we’re trying to grow them, we like need more clients right away. So we bring people in, we’re just saying yes, and like, oh, then we have that person who like, steps on all the boundaries, breaks all the rules, and we don’t want to, we don’t want to upset them. We don’t want to upset them. So we like kind of let it slide or we just go oh, hey, don’t do that we like aren’t really clear on what those boundaries are. So they’re just being themselves and we’re not actually putting fences up that they can actually see we’re just like, expecting them to behave in a certain way. And, and then you end up having to fire someone because like, you just get to a point where like, Are you kidding? I can’t work with you anymore. And so like, the best thing to do is like to never have to fire a friend, a client or a co-worker or anything like that is just to like really own what you need to be the best at what you’re doing. And then be okay with with sometimes that’ll make people disappointed in you.

Ryan Lindner 18:17
You define that relationship from the beginning. You know, you set that precedent. And, you know, I know firsthand, you know, if you’ve worked with someone a long time, and you’ve set a precedent of sort of bad habits, it’s so hard to get that back on track. Some people you can’t convince anyone of anything, they have to come to that sort of on their own. It’s, you know, some relationships, you will have to let go. But that’s okay, that’s okay.

Lesley Logan 18:51
Yeah. Yeah. So you said earlier that the book journey was 10 years, I think that that’s probably fast for most people’s first time. What made you want to write a book? What what what made you think that like, I, what, I want to get this message out there, what was that whole conversation and journey, like?

Ryan Lindner 19:09
The book is called The Half-Known Life. And it’s actually it’s not a typical self help, or it’s like you only live once kind of thing. It’s, um, it’s from a quote from Moby Dick, which has to do with like, not being able to see ourselves, so we can’t always you know, and I come back to, you know, I’ve had again, like, it’s like, first time I had like a psychologist as a client. I was kind of like, confused, because I was like, I thought they were supposed to have it all figured out. Like, like, why are they working with me? And then I had these executives, people that I thought, wow, these people. And this ties really well into impostor syndrome, too, because I learned just a ton from working with these people. But I realized that you know what, that’s all we are. We’re all just people. You know, matter how smart you are, you could be brilliant. We can’t see ourselves. And I learned through working with executives is that you know, we a lot of people in the working force, especially in corporate America think, you know, these big executives have it all figured out all the time. They’re the scary executives, but no, they don’t have it figured out a whole lot. They just they’re confident they’re confident in their not knowing they’re confident. And they can do one thing that I really struggled with anxiety and that’s be okay in uncertainty. Be okay. And uncertainty work and uncertainty they can they can live in that. Yeah. And it and because they trust themselves. You know, I might not have it all figured out right now. But I trust that I will do what I need to do at the appropriate time. They trust that.

Lesley Logan 20:55
Yeah. So is that something that you have learned how to do is to like, trust in yourself, you know, through this journey like that you might not know all the answers, but you know, you’ll be fine. You’ll get you’ll get yourself through it.

Ryan Lindner 21:10
I do feel like that. I also feel like, you know, I’m comfortable saying I don’t I don’t know something. You know, if I don’t know, I don’t know, um, it has no bearing on my value. I as a leader with companies, I try to, you know, I tell people that all the time, you know, don’t know everything, don’t have it all figured out. But I’m open. I am open to being better. I look at it more as like a continuous thing.

Lesley Logan 21:35
Yeah. Yeah, I think that’s I mean, that’s, I mean, we, first of all, we will never know, everything you will always be learning, there’s always going to be a question that you couldn’t ever, like, predict is going to happen. And, and because everyone’s coming at the same thing that you’re doing with a different perspective. And so the more you can be okay, with like, oh, I don’t know, or, Oh, let me get back to you, the easier it is for you to be present in the moment of the life that you’re in. Because if you are so worried that you’re not going to know the right answer, you’re so busy thinking that I have to know all the right answers, you’re not actually able to be competent, comfortable in the in the position you’re in. So I think that that’s so true. I and I you mentioned like being there comfortable in the uncertainty. And that’s so hard for humans, though, we want to know, we want to know how it’s going to end. That’s why we skip to the end.

Ryan Lindner 22:24
You know, and a lot of us, if you look at you know, one thing I do a lot and I work with clients is in any situation I asked myself, you know, what do I actually know, what do I actually know about the situation? So you know, about a week ago, I gave this huge talk. And I remember like 1015 minutes prior to the talk a lot of you know people all over the country on it. And I I was like, feeling those symptoms again, like, oh my god, like what am I even doing? You know? But you know, what I just said, you know, what, what information? What historical? Do I ever really bomb? We all bomb on occasion, but like, is it ever as bad as I think it is? And I thought you know, it’s, it’s not. In most situations, the stakes are pretty low. Yeah, you know, what’s the worst that can happen? You know? And I just said, You know what, I’m going to do this, like I always do. And I did. And I did and I just became comfortable in the symptoms and not didn’t try to, again, wish they weren’t there are overcome them. I just said, You know what, I’m going to accept that I feel this way. I’m good with it. I took a deep breath. And I was just a person. That’s it. We always try to be this like, you know, get everything right. And all that I was just a person just like they are and I talked to them just like other people. And it’s as simple as that.

Lesley Logan 23:55
I think that like so I love that you say that. Because firstly, going back to your psychologist client, like I think that we’ll have people in our lives like, oh my gosh, I can’t believe that they want to work with me, or I can’t believe that they want to talk with me. And we’re so we’ve got this thing like they’ve got it all figured out that psychologist knows everything. I know, it’s a whole thing. Like why? What can I possibly teach him? And it’s like, oh, actually so much. Because he can’t see himself? You know, and I think, you know, we don’t give ourselves enough credit if the person has said yes, they want to work with you. Already they’re saying I think you know, more than me on this topic.

Ryan Lindner 24:29
And also, you know, we don’t know those people. It’s all assumptions. It’s all stories that we’ve created in our mind and who they are based on what a title and whatever. So you don’t have to know everything and you don’t have to be perfect. You just have to be able to help them and in some way you have to know more than them about something.

Lesley Logan 24:46
Oh yeah, I got it. I had one of like, one of the top like orthopedic surgeons came in to take a session for me and I was like, Oh my God, this person knows more about the body than I could ever know. Like they’re an orthopedic surgeon like they they know everything right? My top the best in the field. And I’m teaching him and I’m like, he doesn’t actually know what I’m saying, like I’m saying lift your arms and like, it’s, they’re not. They’re like flailing, right? And it’s like, oh, he knows everything about how to work, how everybody’s body should work. But he doesn’t know how to work his body in the way I’m asking him to do it. And so it like, a like, made me go, just teach him like every other human being whoever lays down here, he just happens to know, the anatomical terms of his knee joints and his shoulder joints. And so I can maybe use that.

Ryan Lindner 25:35
Yeah, that doesn’t mean he knows everything. He’s got it all figured out. And that’s, that’s the case with almost I was. I was when I was a provider, and I was coaching a lot. I also worked with a marriage and family therapist, and I ran into him in the hallway. And I said, I do anything. And he said, Oh, that’s a go-into session with this couple, right after I just had a fight with a wife. And I just thought, I mean, just just the person, you know, just just the person, like the rest of us. And but I think having that outside perspective is, you know, you just just can’t see yourself.

Lesley Logan 26:11
So yeah, yeah. And also like, giving like space and grace to ourselves, because we’re, like you said, the beginning of our conversation, like, we are so hard on ourselves. We’re not like, not in any moment, you’re like, you know, has hard on this psychologists marriage, marriage, family counselor, as you are on yourself, you know, it’s like we, the more we can actually be courteous of that judgment of others to ourselves, and then also take people off this pedestal that we keep putting them on, because we can’t, we can’t show up as our full self, and have these amazing ideas. If we just keep putting people up on pedestals just because of the alphabet behind their name, or who we think that they are, or who said they were whatever it is, it’s like if we actually just treat everyone like they’re an actual human being, we’ll probably learn that we have more in common with people that intimidate us or cause us to have impostor syndrome than we don’t.

Ryan Lindner 27:04
If you didn’t know someone’s title, if you didn’t know anything about them, it’d be a lot more relaxed conversation. You know, if someone just walked up and said, You know, Paul, or whatever, nice to meet you, you would talk to them, like a regular person, if you found out they were some famous something, suddenly that dynamic, you know, changes. So a lot of that is again, you’re totally right. It’s just that sort of story, you know, why me? Why am I can I do this, I’m no one, it’s all comes back to that, you know, self-dialog. And once you realize that you don’t have to have, you don’t have to arrive to a particular place or become anyone. You’d have to more allow it or just just be a person, because you’re you’re going to have something to offer that the other person doesn’t. And that’s all you need. It reminds me of Patrick Stewart, who I love. He had this, you know, he’s getting interviewed one time, and he shared this like, mantra that he uses, because he’s been in theater, TV movies, you know, and he shared this mantra, and I thought, wow, I mean, he must never get nervous, because, you know, he’s been doing it for decades. And he said, No, I, I still get nervous. I still get like, stage fright and all that. I thought that was really and so I’m waiting for this mantra. Like, like, profound like, and he said, You know what, you know what I do before I go on stage? I just tell myself, I don’t give an F. Of course he does. Of course, he cares. Right. But there’s something freeing about saying that, I think when you say that, you know, don’t care anyway, you know? You do of course care. Yeah. You have detached from the outcome in that moment. Yeah. And reduce the stakes. You know, you know, when you’re in front of an audience that, you know, you’re looking at all these faces, but most introverts do well, they do well, one on one. So if you can treat audience and just look at them as talk to them, like one person, look at one person, talk to them, like one person. And the stakes aren’t aren’t as high as you think, you know. And even Patrick Stewart, you know, I just thought that was hilarious.

Lesley Logan 29:31
I love I love I always love to find out what those things are because they’re never what you expect them to be. They’re not this like complicated thing. They’re really often not and we like we build these things up. Like when I’m ready when I’m ready. You’re never gonna feel ready. Like you. You’re just I don’t know, maybe maybe I’m wrong there but I really don’t think I’ve ever felt ready to start anything that I’ve actually cared about.

Ryan Lindner 29:53
No way like this. People are waiting for the stars to align and like I need to feel ready. You’re totally right and, or they need to have everything figured out. But that comes back to the uncertainty you need to be okay with that, the best thing to do is just just go in and learn. And then always adjust, always adjust, always pivot. And none of it has any bearing on your value. And you’re just you’re learning approaches kind of as a learner.

Lesley Logan 30:21
Yeah. Oh, if we could just approach everything as a learner. All right, we’re gonna I mean, I, I want to hear more, but we’re gonna take a brief break, find out people find you follow you get your book and your Be It Action Items.

Lesley Logan 30:33
Okay, Ryan, you have this amazing book? Where can people find it? What can they learn from it? And where can they work more with you?

Ryan Lindner 30:41
They can go to my website,, as well. They can also find me on Amazon.

Lesley Logan 30:51
We’ll have all those in the show notes. And all right, before I let you go, because you’ve given us so many great things to think about. And I really I know all of our peeps who tend to let the imposter syndrome get in the way I just love that you talked about the uncertainty and all of that already, but what bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps that people can take to be it till they see it.

Ryan Lindner 31:14
I would say number one, own who you are. Own it. If there’s nothing you have to be calm or do or you know derived anything. You just allow it. Just practice practice in front of people practice speaking, put yourself on camera, record it, just practice it. And again, just however you show up. Own it.

Lesley Logan 31:41
Amazing. Yes. I hope that everyone starts doing that more and more and more because every single one of you is listening to this as something offered this planet and you’re keeping it for yourself, which I think is pretty selfish whenever you don’t put it out there and you let impostor syndrome or not having it figured out get in the way. Ryan you this has been a wonderful conversation. Thank you so much. I can’t wait to hear how everyone loves it. What their takeaways are. Y’all tag Ryan Lindner. Tag the Be It pod and also go get his book at the

Ryan Lindner 32:07

Lesley Logan 32:12
Perfect, awesome. All right, until next time, everyone, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of the ‘Bloom Podcast Network’.

Brad Crowell
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Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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Lesley Logan
Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velasquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell
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