Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the profound, we’re bringing back profound, Brad.

Brad Crowell
Oh, yeah. (Lesley laughs) We’re bringing it back.

Lesley Logan
My conversation I have with Tina Tang in our last episode …

Brad Crowell
Actually, you know what, I think we should change it to, the conversation that you had with Tina was fun … It was just a fun interview. I really enjoyed listening to it.

Lesley Logan
So we’re just gonna leave all that in. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. Okay. It was fun, though. I really love her. I can’t wait to see her. Okay, I hung out with Tina Tang in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. Let us know if you thought it was fun or profound. (Brad: Yeah) (Brad laughs) And if you would like to insert a word of your own making into the intro to this podcast. You can DM them to @be_it_pod. (Brad laughs) All right. So I’m super excited, Babe.

Brad Crowell
Tell me!

Lesley Logan
Because we have over 150 people already signed up for our fourth #100withme challenge. (Brad: Yeah) I I’m like this is amazing. We start on October 3rd and we already have over 150 people.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, it’s very exciting. It’s it’s gonna be a really fun group. We know some of you. (Lesley: Yes) So fantastic way to way you jump in.

Lesley Logan
I think for the people who are doing for the fourth time, we should probably get him a shirt. (Brad: Yeah, yeah) Yeah, fourth time …

Brad Crowell
But but then there are others in there that we’re looking forward to getting to know. And then there are those of you who are listening right now who have no idea what we’re talking about.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So first of all, I’m really excited to get to know them too, because a lot of them have never done Pilates before which is awesome. So first of all, this is not a Pilates challenge. Like, how much Pilates can you do?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, no

Lesley Logan
This is a consistency …

Brad Crowell
It’s not like an ice bucket challenge like, can you (Lesley laughs) do 75 hundred with me hundreds. I don’t know. I just made that up.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I could tell but it’s okay. (Brad and Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
So could everybody else that is listening (Brad and Lesley laughs)

Lesley Logan
So it’s it’s a consistency challenge and the goal of this is, I am a Pilates teacher in case you didn’t know. And so I’m going to teach you how to be consistent in your life with Pilates and also be kind to yourself while doing it. And then what I teach you, you can rinse and repeat for anything, you want to be consistent in because what I’m teaching you how to be consistent with Pilates isn’t like, “Oh my gonna work for this …”

Brad Crowell
Oh I thought you were gonna pull out our favorite word, “profound.” (Lesley and Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan
So, so anyways, um, we have a lot of newbies, and what, which I’m really excited about because I really do love when new people start Pilates with us, it means no bad habits. (Lesley laughs) And also, we’re giving everyone who signs up for our challenge access to our intro series. So no excuses. If you are only pi-curious, let that curiosity (Brad laughs) go and sign up for the 100withme challenge. We do kick off on October 3rd. So you want to go to 100withme.com to sign up (Brad: Yes) and grab your spot. Also, this is … Brad, you want to tell them we talked about this last week, but like maybe we should remind them. So …

Brad Crowell
… Oh, okay, I know and now we’re on the same brainwave. Yes, actually, we are, we want to give back to first responders. And we kept thinking how can we do this? Like, what would be a good way to you know, show our support. And we realized that first responders are obviously in need of breather. They, you know, it’s been 18 months of insanity here across the board …

Lesley Logan
I feel like we’re at 20 months at this point. Maybe it’s only 18…

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I don’t even know where we’re at. (Lesley: … I don’t know) But it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s a long time and they’re, they’ve been going full tilt. And you know, we’ve been hearing stories about nurses resigning and stuff because they’re just overwhelmed. And so we thought that was one of the really amazing benefits of the 100withme challenge is the idea of filling your cup first. So that you are at a 100% so that when you go serve others you are actually taken care of. And that’s why we thought, “Oh wow, the first responders could use this challenge as me time” as like, “Me, myself and I time” because that’s what the challenge is about this time. (Lesley: Yeah) So it’s it’s such an obvious connection there and what we wanted to do was was empower you to sponsor a first responder. Okay, so there’s a special link you’re going to need that’s going to we’re going to put that link in the show notes. But instead of the full price ticket $99 for to join the challenge for the first responder, you can sponsor them, we’re going to split that with you and it’ll be only $30 and we’ll cover the rest of it. (Lesley: Yeah) And you can, you can invite a first responder who is a friend or family member, or if you don’t know anybody, you you know, who is a first responder, you can find one and say, “Hey, you know, I’m thinking of you, I bought this for you. I hope that you, you know, take some time for yourself here, because I know how much you need it.”

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So I just I’m so excited. I can’t wait to see how many first responders we get to do this with because even if they only do five minutes of Pilates a day, I know that they will have taken a moment for themselves to do that. And the action of laying down on the ground and just doing one exercise is them pouring into themselves first before they go to be there for others. And it’s an it’s just gonna be a domino effect. And and I say that to you as well. It is called the “Me, myself and I” theme that start with a theme every challenge. (Brad: Yeah) And so that’s the theme and it’s because I think people are still hung up on self care being selfish, and that self care has to be a reward for something. And no, self care isn’t selfish care. That’s what our friend Ber… Brenda Cooper said. It’s not, it’s not the intention. And so when you fill your cup first, then you are practicing doing that in life, it’s going to help you give more to others freely, else have more energy doing it. So basically get your booty over to the challenge.

Brad Crowell
I just one more thing I want to say this challenge actually has nothing to do with Pilates even… that’s an ironic (Lesley laughs) statement, right? Because it’s about it like what we’re using the Pilates to do. It’s a tool. (Lesley: Yeah) It’s a method. It’s just, it’s just a small piece of this. The the the main idea here is creating consistency in your life, helping you build healthy habits of working out. And we are just happening to use Pilates for this challenge because obviously that’s what Lesley is known for … (Lesley laughs) But so like for example, if you were sponsoring a firefighter who has never even heard of Pilates, you know, they don’t have to worry, it’s not about the Pilates. It’s about them taking time for themselves.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, so we’re gonna we’re, there’s Pilates classes, everyone, and then there’s an intro series for people who need it. But there’s also hangout sessions and coaching around habits and also coaching around the mindset that you have to have so that your brain wants and your body wants to create this habit. So …

Brad Crowell
Yeah and first responder isn’t just the firefighter. You know, it could be a grocery store clerk, it could be your mailman, someone who has been out there the whole time who hasn’t been able to work from home, because they because of just the nature of their job. (Lesley: Yeah … so amazing) So, you know, we’re we’re definitely thinking broad, you know, grocery store clerk kind of thing. (Lesley: Yeah) So, yeah …

Lesley Logan
So anyways, I can’t wait to see how many more people sign up because we have plenty of time. But if you do it, say you’re gonna do it tomorrow. You probably will forget. So do it today. Okay, so next we have our audience, our Be It listener’s question of the week. Babe, what is the question?

Brad Crowell
Yeah. So, “What do you do if you don’t have enough time to get your workout in?” Which I think it’s funny that leads right into that.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, that’s so fun. I love when that happens. Um, thank you for sending that question in. Well Babe, what do you do when you have enough time to workout?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I, I get up early the next day. And and that’s actually ridiculous to say that, but that’s actually when I when I miss a workout or I don’t get it in. I try to go to bed early so that I will get up early the next morning. And that’s been kind of how I treated that.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, but you know what I like about that you don’t really beat yourself up about it. And that’s why your brain is good with doing it tomorrow. A lot of people would be upset with themselves, get frustrated, and they the whole day would be off on the wrong foot because they didn’t get that thing and they promised themselves that they would do and you you’re you’re like, “Okay, I’m gonna make sure I get my work done so I can go to bed early.”

Brad Crowell
Yeah, it’s it’s been I mean, when when I was in a routine of going to the gym, or the studio to practice yoga, I probably would have been really upset if I had missed my class because it was like part of my world, part of my routine I was in I was always there, whatever, you know, but when everything shifted to be working at home and all the things now it’s been way like, like, life seems flexible in sense, you know, somehow, we we’ve changed the the decision making factor and I, I I hope I’m not alone in that because I’m … No, I’m trying to make myself feel better. So if you’re like me, please DM us and tell me how much I’m not alone. (Lesley: Yeah) if I’m totally alone then good for all of you…

Lesley Logan
It’s okay. He’s he’s doing the “Me, myself and I” challenge as well (Brad: Yeah, yeah) everyone. Um, so I love this question because I think a lot of people think it’s all or nothing. Oh, I wanted to work out at eight o’clock. I slept until nine. So now I can’t do that. (Brad: Right) But your, the way the brain works and the way that our bodies work is a little different. Your brain doesn’t like anything that causes pain. So if missing your workout causes you to be frustrated and upset. It’s actually going to not make your brain look for other places that it can work out in. But if you actually keep that, “Oh, I’m so glad I remembered I wanted to do that today.”

Brad Crowell
Right. And it’s like an association with the negative and positive (Lesley: Yeah) like it like for me. Like, it’s quick to anger kind of a thing. If I’m like, “Ah, I messed it up!” You know, that’s not a great association with the idea of working out in the first place because, you know, now I’m just connecting it to a negative emotion.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, exactly. So so I don’t do that anymore. I think years ago, I get really upset with myself, “Ah, I wanted to do that.” But perfect is boring and we’re ditching perfection over here. And so what I do now is go, “Oh, I’m so glad I remembered I want to do that today.” And I look at the calendar and I look and see if what is on here, does any of it have to be on here? Like (Brad: Right) have to be on there? Is there any way I can shorten it? Can I, oh I have a call with Erica, can I take that called Erica while I’m on my Peloton? Can I do this while I’m walking on the tra..? Can I when I do the dog walk? Can I make the dog go a little bit faster? Can I run the dog instead of walking the dog? And so I actually …

Brad Crowell
We did get the treadmill (Lesley: Yeah) so that you can do phone calls (Lesley: Yeah, and I have been…) on your walk. (Lesley: I know) And you can, you know get a workout in while you’re talking with someone, yeah.

Lesley Logan
Totally. Especially days like today I’m going to be on there at five o’clock when I have a call with my friend because I’ve been sitting at my desk all day today …

Brad Crowell
It’s also insanely hot out.

Lesley Logan
It is, it’s if… they say keeps gonna get cooler, but it’s not. So anyways, that’s what I would suggest is, celebrate that you thought about it so it’s good pleasure in your brain. Look to see if there’s any place you can pair something you’re already doing with a long walk or on your Peloton. And if you’re like, “Lesley, are you kidding? That is glitter and unicorns,” then you should be my challenge, because I’m going to help hold you accountable to good thoughts around when you want to work out and it’s okay to just do five minutes, especially if you aren’t consistent right now … consist with five minutes every day is going to help you there. So anyways, great questions. I love seeing the questions to them to the @be_it_pod on Instagram.

Brad Crowell
All right, now let’s talk about Tina Tang, (Lesley: Tina Tang) former Wall Street trader and brick-and-mortar jewelry store owner and designer. Tina Tang dove head-first into fitness at the age of 42, after some incredibly challenging life, changes of a divorce and a crashing economy. Now. seven years later, she’s coached thousands of training sessions, created the FS Formula to help mid-life women get stronger and leaner, and is a ‘Fit at 50’ coach. I really enjoyed your conversation with her. I don’t even I didn’t know Tina. I don’t know Tina. I just enjoyed listening to it and I thought …

Lesley Logan
Well, you do know, Tina, like but not from a like you’ve never I don’t know you’ve met her …

Brad Crowell
No, I haven’t met Tina but it makes me want to like go to New York City and hang out with Tina … It was great conversations.

Lesley Logan
I guess you didn’t meet her when we were in Mexico. But …

Brad Crowell
No, I don’t think. Oh, maybe I did for like two seconds …

Lesley Logan
Yeah. But but anyways, y’all were in a similar group with her. And so and then I took your spot because I was like, “Get out. These are my ladies.” (Brad laughs) So what I didn’t know about Tina is that she was a jewelry store owner when I ran jewelry stores. And so she and I literally were talking shop when we were in Cabo because we were both in boutique business (Brad: Right) at the same time. And I just didn’t own the business that I left, but she did. So that was really heartbreaking. So I loved it. She’s amazing. If you are if you are intimidated by the gym, yeah, I talked to her because she didn’t start going till she’s 42. So we talked about the opinions of others and I really loved talking about this. And I think it’s I mean, we’ve talked about that in different ways before in different episodes. Here’s the thing. Like, I think that we, I think we all just think people think about us too much. And they don’t… no one’s thinking about us.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, but okay, hold on. We have to, we have to reference the opinions of others that she was talking about. (Lesley: Oh) (Lesley laughs) … I mean, oh my gosh, I was laughing (Lesley: share it) so hard. Well, she talks about her parents, right, who emigrated here from a war torn country, you know, and they’re very stereotypical. And, and I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna ruin the joke, you’re gonna have to go back to the last episode to listen to it. But I was I was listening to it last night and everyone else was asleep in the house and I’m just listening with my headphones on. And when she told us a story about how her mom introduced her to her mom’s friend, I laughed so loudly I’m pretty sure the dog started barking. I mean, I was laughing… it was insane. I was laughing so hard. Anyway, the two of you talked about, (Lesley: yeah) your family support when it came to making major changes in your life. And for her it was for you know, like the economy crashing shifted, her jewelry stores weren’t going to survive. (Lesley: Yeah) And so and then she went from there into fitness and and her parents were looking at her cross eyed thinking like, “What are you doing with your life?”

Lesley Logan
Well, and I think we talked about this before so I don’t want to go into, if you didn’t listen to recap with Danielle Pascente definitely listen to that. But here’s here’s something that I had to teach myself because when Brad put me on YouTube, … all of a sudden there was someone who would be like instant thumbs down like as soon as a video would go up it was an immediate thumbs down. (Brad: Yeah) And you, it literally has been up for three seconds. (Brad: What an asshole) You didn’t even watch it, like, (Brad: yeah) “Who is this hater?” And I was like getting, I was like, “How do you find them? I need to block them. This person is attacking me.” And you’re like, (Brad: yeah) (Brad laughs) “You can’t find out who this person is.” And I was so …

Brad Crowell
But it was like, I mean, it was they were, they weren’t watching. It was like … new video, I would get the notification about new video from Lesley. And then I would go to the video and it was like there’s a thumbs down already. Like, (Lesley: yeah) they are out for you.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. It was like, okay, so anyways, I was on a run. And it’s so funny how things come up and I was listening to Brené Brown on this interview. And this is like way before she was “St. Brené,” but definitely like after her TED Talk. (Brad laughs) And she said, she was sharing her story about how she’d have these like negative comments on a YouTube, TED TED Talk. And she’s like, “How do I go in and find out the IP address, (Brad: Oh yeah) and go all the way to their house and shake them.” (Brad laughs) And then she’s, she’s like, she realized like she’s spending too much time thinking about the people who don’t like her. (Brad: Yes) And so she actually talked about how it’s really important that you’re clear on whose opinions of you matter. (Brad: Yeah) And I think that means you might even have to compartmentalize it, like, I’m sure Tina cares about her parents and that their opinion matters. But she’s probably had to compartmentalize that like, it doesn’t matter when it comes to what she’s doing for her purpose on this planet. (Brad: Right) So I have, I have a list of people whose opinions to me matter. They know, their opinion of me matters and that’s important, because if they compliment me, I’m gonna weight it higher than someone else. (Brad: Sure) And if they say something harsh, I’m gonna weight it higher than someone else. But because they know that their opinion matters and they are, they don’t take it lightly and it’s in it’s important. But if someone does say something, and describes me in a certain way, and trust me, I get the DMs, y’all, I block and bless, block and bless. Um …

Brad Crowell
Sometimes they’re just ridiculous. It’s pretty amazing.

Lesley Logan
They’re ridiculous. And if I if I, if I let give them any more weight than just going, “Oh, is that true?” Then it’s taking me from doing the thing that I actually care about. And it would affect I couldn’t show up here today if I paid attention to opinions of others. So, what did you love that she said?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, yeah. Well, I’m glad to talk about that because I think that’s one of the hardest things for just it with the … with social, because it’s so easy for people to hide, (Lesley: Yeah) and leave, you know, nasty comments and stuff. So, yeah, anyway. So one of the things that she talked about was, how those the combination of going through a really challenging divorce and the economy crashing, you know, like, she really felt like she was at rock bottom. And you know, that it’s really interesting. She has a congratulations in the last episode, which kind of surprised me, but having experienced what she was talking about, you know, I get I get where she’s coming from now. But one of the things that she said was, you know, when you’re going through it, nobody wants to hear, you know, this is going to be better for you. Right? You know, and, and she said, it sucks. It’s the worst experience. You know, she lost her her marriage, she lost her company. Right? And, you know, but from that, you know, a) … it forced her to look at herself, which is something that we honestly, we rarely do. After we’ve decided we know who we are, and we like who we are, and we don’t really go back very often and like reevaluate things from the ground up. But those life altering, those rock bottom experiences will will put you back in that place, and allow you to draw different conclusions about the things that are important to you. And like where, you know, again, who you let influence you, you know, weigh in the opinions that matter, like Lesley was talking about? So, yeah, I really, I really connected with that having, you know, gone through a divorce myself, and had a solid year of shit that I that I went through after that, and, and, you know, I mean, I, it was, it was one of those things where, like, where, like, I would get home and be relieved that I didn’t have to put like this fake face on anymore. But then when I was home, I was home alone. And it was just me and my dog. And it was just like, not exciting, either. So you know, but from that, you know, you look at yourself, you make changes, and then you know, you grow. (Lesley: Yeah) So yeah

Lesley Logan
I, well, I just think that like, there’s enough quotes out there about like, you know, like, the cream rises, like all like you get to rock bottom, you come up like other people have said, “You can’t take away anyone’s rock bottoms.” And the truth is, is that like, we have that yoga teacher who says, “You can’t have one without the other. You can’t have love without hate. You can’t have war without…” Like, you have to, they like, if you get rid of war, you can’t have peace, because you don’t know what that is. And I think that we are so scared of rock bottoms. And as we should be like, no one, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone. But some of the most amazing inventions, the greatest speakers that people who’ve touched you and inspired you. They’ve done that because they were in a rock bottom, and it got them to think about something that they wanted to do. And they did it and that changed your life! And so, you know, I just keep thinking about the times that like I was at rock bottoms and who I am and the friends I have and even you, I wouldn’t have met you If I had not been at rock bottom.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, we talked about that with too, with Sandra Chuma. (Lesley: Yeah) And, you know how altering life, life altering that was (Lesley: Yeah) for her as well.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, so I just think that like, but I do think you know, it is hard because like, when you’re someone next to someone who’s at a rock bottom, you’re like, “Why do I say” and I think I don’t actually know what you say but telling people it’s, it’s gonna be great. It’s gonna like I …

Brad Crowell
And you know what she talked about that, she talked about moving in with her best friend. She said she crashed on her best friend’s sofa for a month, (Lesley: Yeah) you know. And like, you know, her friend wasn’t judging her, she’s just there, just to be (Lesley: Yeah) there and be supportive and be a friend.

Lesley Logan
And I think but and I think that’s the permission like, you don’t have to say anything inspiring to them you just have to be there so that they can have someone with them, have someone to listen to them but you don’t have to fix it.

Brad Crowell
Right. Well, you certainly can’t fix it if you’re the friend. It’s not, that’s not how it works.

Lesley Logan
And thank goodness for that like that you don’t have that responsibility. So (Brad: Right) you just have to be there so they feel loved and seen and they’re not alone. (Brad: Yeah) Anyways, it really is a fun episode …

Brad Crowell
No, you know what it made me think like listening to the two of you talk made me think of really happy memories that that we have of visiting New York City and (Lesley: Yeah) like going through those big open you know, like Chelsea Market style, like shopping areas where she described having her one of her jewelry stores I really enjoyed it and then like you know, obviously being in the city and going across to the gym, like I remember doing a lot of stuff like that so it’s it was it brought back a lot of really good memories …

Lesley Logan
I know. We need to get to New York.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. It was a fun conversation.

Lesley Logan
A “Be It pod in New York.” Well …

Brad Crowell
All right. Finally, let’s talk about the Be It action items that you had from your conversation with Tina Tang. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo? There was one that you really dug into with her. And we’ll we’ll we’ll share that together. Basically, it was “Don’t follow your passion, follow your curiosity.”

Lesley Logan
And that got us thinking. I hope I got you all thinking because we’re like, “Wait, what?” And so I …

Brad Crowell
It sounds great. But again, it’s like …

Lesley Logan
What does it mean?

Brad Crowell
How do you do that?

Lesley Logan
So I, well, Brad is very passionate with cactuses. You want to tell him about your passion?

Brad Crowell
Oh, you don’t even know like, I’m learning the, you know the the Latin names for these cactus and all the things, I’m really into it … There are there are gazillion different types of succulents and cactuses. And it’s been mind blowing and I keep, I keep acquiring more cactuses because we’re going to create like, a cultural garden in the back that everybody will want to tour. Someday, I’m telling you, it’s gonna be the coolest thing ever. (Lesley: But …) Oh, hey, sorry, see how excited I am? … See how passionate about those cactuses? … No, I’m not gonna start a cactus business. Okay, like, that’s not my jam. I just really am passionate about them. I really love them …

Lesley Logan
He is curious about like, what will grow back here and like how it will go. But like, he’s …

Brad Crowell
My passion has created curiosity. Yes, for sure.

Lesley Logan
But, um, one way that I another way to think about it is like, I’m super passionate Pilates, if you can’t tell. But something that I can’t do is just tell everyone that I meet to do Pilates because some people don’t even know how to spell that, how to sound it out, what it is, who it’s for. They’ve he… they tried it, they didn’t like it, all these things. And so what I realized, and as been a Pilates instructor, my my passion is more bodies doing Pilates. But my curiosity is, “How do I get those bodies to do Pilates?” And so instead of focusing on what I’m passionate about more about example doing Pilates, I actually follow my curiosity. And where I’m at right now is “Oh, people feel like they’re not good enough. They don’t have enough time. They don’t know what it is or how it will help them.” So which one of those things can I actually really make the most difference on? Like …

Brad Crowell
Well, I really liked that because it does allow them to be it doesn’t mean like I guess then don’t follow your passion, follow your curiosity. They don’t need to be two completely distinct things, like they can actually be similarly aligned. You know, but so that that’s interesting. I think that’s a really great, helpful way to look at it.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, but I love it. She said it because like, it’s how she’s living her life.

Brad Crowell
Well, here’s another thing that I thought was …

Lesley Logan
… we’re thinking, “Well, why does this how do you do that?” (Brad: Right) And then I was thinking like, “Well, I think I do that. I’m doing that.”

Brad Crowell
Well, I went back and I counted. In your interview with her. I think you use the word “curious, or curiosity,” like seven or eight times.

Lesley Logan
That’s so weird. (Brad: And why… I know) Why even use that word in life?

Brad Crowell
Yeah. But well, the conversation was surrounding that. So, who knew?

Lesley Logan
Actually the intro should have been curious conversation. (Brad laughs) … curious convo …

Brad Crowell
Oh, yeah. Listen to this curious conversation. That’s what it should have been.

Lesley Logan
Well, we missed that one. (Brad: I know) Brad, what are you doing here?

Brad Crowell
Producer’s fired. (Lesley: Producer is …) I can’t believe it?

Lesley Logan
No, it’s your first write up. (Brad laughs) All right, everyone, this has been a lot of fun. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
And, I’m Brad Crowell.

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Lesley Logan
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Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.