Give Yourself Permission to
Easily Own Your Confidence

Ep. 530 with Lesley & Brad

“Sometimes we look at what actually is a strength in the wrong light.”

Brad Crowell

Bio

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In this recap, Lesley and Brad reflect on their convo with Aletta Rochat, a trailblazing and executive presence coach, who shares what it really takes to show up with confidence. Together they unpack why owning your strengths—and saying no when it matters—can shift how you lead, speak, and connect with others. With this episode, you’ll leave feeling grounded, energized, and ready to give yourself full permission to belong.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The real-world script for gracefully exiting client relationships.
• Why permission and belonging unlock authentic confidence.
• The danger of saying yes out of guilt or reflex.
• The difference between reaction and intentional action.
• Why your greatest strengths may be things you take for granted.

Episode References/Links:

• OPC Summer Tour – https://opc.me/events
• OPC UK Mullet Tour – https://opc.me/uk
• eLevate Mentorship Program – https://lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist
• Pilates Income Accelerator – prfit.biz/accelerator
• Cambodia October 2025 Waitlist – https://crowsnestretreats.com
• Aletta Rochat Website – https://www.alettarochat.com
• FemGevity – https://www.femgevityhealth.com/?via=lesley
• CliftonStrengths by Gallup – https://www.gallup.com/cliftonstrengths

Transcript

Brad Crowell 0:00
Because we don’t recognize this as a strength, we hold back articulating our value. We don’t identify that we have something that most people might not have, and that becomes our superpower.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan 0:55
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the emboldening convo I had with Aletta Rochat in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened to that episode yet, you are missing out. She’s amazing. She’s a badass. You’re gonna wanna listen to it after you listen to this one, if you can just go back into your feed. I mean, she’s the first president-elect who’s a female for the International Toastmasters.

Brad Crowell 1:19
Yeah, international president-elect, yeah.

Lesley Logan 1:21
Insane, amazing. And that’s not even what she went to school for, or thought she’d be doing. So I just think it’s great. We’ll get into her in just a second. But first, today is May 29th 2025 and it’s World Digestive Health Day. World Digestive Health Day is celebrated every year on May 29th around the world. I think it’s really funny whenever they describe the day, and then the description is the same thing with the words.

Brad Crowell 1:44
Yeah, it’s also like today is May 29th. On May 29th we celebrate. Yes.

Lesley Logan 1:51
The holiday provides resources and tools for gastrointestinal (G.I.) diseases to help more people in the general public make better decisions around their health. Awareness can lead to early diagnosis and treatment of G.I. diseases including cancer. It should also be known that G.I. diseases can lead to obesity. It can also create more understanding and better support for patients experiencing digestive diseases when their issues and conditions are better understood by the general public. I just think it’s so important, if you are dealing with some stomach stuff, most people are not realizing how long they’ve been dealing with it, and it can lead to, as I mentioned, diseases, cancer, crazy stuff. You can have an imbalance of hormones, your mind, your actual mindset, how you feel, your emotions, are related to your gut, and if your gut biome is a fucking mess, and then you are also like, why does the world hate me? No amount of therapy is going to help you if your gut is telling your brain some other things. And so I highly, highly recommend, if you’ve got gut stuff going on, go advocate for yourself. If your G.P. is not listening to you, go talk to somebody else. We just had someone come to the house, which blew our mind. Our crappy insurance sent works to the company, and that company came to our house and literally sat down was like, what doctor referrals do you need? And I was like, oh, you can do that for me? And so you all know from over the last year how much FemGevity helped me with my gut stuff. Like, it’s been really amazing to know the difference between like, I’m not feeling awesome, and, oh, this is my gut problem and.

Brad Crowell 3:22
But it still doesn’t change the fact that you have to go to a doctor locally to get blood drawn or things like that, right?

Lesley Logan 3:28
Yeah, you still have to go do stuff, yeah? Well, FemGevity sends something to you, but you don’t have to use it, like, you have to go, like, it is annoying to go advocate yourself. It is annoying to feel like you’re crazy. It’s annoying to feel like you’re not being listened to. But literally, if you have H. Pylori, and you let it go on its own thing, it can lead to cancer, okay? If you have other things, it can lead like you don’t get to ignore your gut, you don’t get to. So I’m really excited that this day has its own day, which is May 29th, and it’s a world holiday.

Brad Crowell 3:56
It’s a world holiday.

Lesley Logan 3:58
Go talk to your G.I. about your shit, like literal shit. Okay, OPC Summer Tour tickets.

Brad Crowell 4:06
Don’t tell us about your shit when we meet you on tour.

Lesley Logan 4:09
No, please don’t. I don’t want to hear it. I don’t want to talk about my shit. I don’t want to hear about your shit. But do you want to go on the West Coast tour? The tickets are already available. I actually don’t even know how many cities we’re going to at the time that we’re recording this, but the team does.

Brad Crowell 4:22
I haven’t actually.

Lesley Logan 4:22
We are, here’s what I do know, we are spending a fuck ton of time and money to cross the border and go to Canada. So we are finally adding an international options to our West Coast tour. And so you’re going to definitely want to the other Canada stops and or I know that we’re hitting when I say West Coast, I mean California, Oregon, Washington. I know that we are hoping to do Idaho and Utah. Obviously while we’re recording this, I don’t have it in front of me, but I do know that the tickets sell fast, because our seventh tour, which is our winter tour, our last one, had literal cities sell out in 24 hours. So go to opc.me/events to see all the locations. Next up is September. We’re going to be in the U.K. We have two cities with two day events at each one, Leeds and Essex.

Brad Crowell 5:06
Nineteen.

Lesley Logan 5:08
19 cities?

Brad Crowell 5:08
I think we’re on track for 19 cities with classes.

Lesley Logan 5:12
Cool.

Brad Crowell 5:12
Yeah, on the Summer Tour.

Lesley Logan 5:13
Okay, well, thank you. So now we’re on to Essex and Leeds and so this is our business in the front, Pilates in the back event, and it’s two days long. Super fun, super affordable. You get six workshops, two classes for 550 pounds.

Brad Crowell 5:29
I mean, it’s kind of a steal, not a lot, yeah.

Lesley Logan 5:32
Yeah, it’s nuts, it’s insane, and it’s really fun. We get to spend a lot of time together, and the space is really limited and Leeds is like (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 5:38
I think it’s 485 pounds, 400, it’s like 500 pounds. Somewhere around.

Lesley Logan 5:41
Oh, maybe it’s only 500 pounds.

Brad Crowell 5:42
Yeah, because this is exchange thingy, so I can’t remember exactly, but.

Lesley Logan 5:46
Don’t, don’t listen to either of us quote a price. Just go to opc.me/uk.

Brad Crowell 5:51
Yes.

Lesley Logan 5:51
Because the early bird is over, but they’re still a deal. Because the actual events, if we were to charge you for each one by itself, is like 2000 pounds, it was something ridiculous.

Brad Crowell 5:59
That’s way, way, way, way, way more. So yeah.

Lesley Logan 6:02
So, opc.me/uk for the Leeds event or the Essex event. Leeds only has 16 spots, and I know we only have four left at the time we’re recording this and then (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 6:11
And it’s not just Lesley who will be teaching, it’ll be me, too. I’m actually gonna be there helping out. We’re gonna do a couple of business life workshops, and then we’re gonna do four Pilates workshops where you’re digging into actual Pilates stuff, then I’m not teaching those. And then Lesley is also going to do a couple of classes and all the things, and then we’re going to hang and, you know, all of it’s going to be a blast, so.

Lesley Logan 6:32
It’s going to be so fun. And here’s the deal, if you’re like, oh, I’ll go to the next U.K., I’m already in talks.

Brad Crowell 6:37
Literally don’t know when that’s going to be.

Lesley Logan 6:38
Yeah, I’m already in talks with several other countries that are across the world. And to be honest, Brad and I actually do like living in Vegas. So we are no longer doing multiple 12 hour flights in a year, just like not a thing for us. So I don’t know that we’ll hit the U.K. in the next two years after this.

Brad Crowell 6:57
Yeah, at least.

Lesley Logan 6:57
Even though that Brad loves it, we’d be there for vacation and not for work. So opc.me/UK is where you get your tickets there. What else, Brad?

Brad Crowell 7:04
Okay, next up we got eLevate, y’all. If you’ve not heard of it, it’s Lesley’s Pilates mentorship program. It’s a nine-month program, and you should do it, because it’s going to change the way that you teach in incredibly dramatic way. You’re going to feel way more confident about everything. People who take this program have told us they’ve stopped class planning. Their voices are not shot by the end of the day. They are not afraid of a random client walking in the door that they wouldn’t necessarily know what to do with or prepare for. They don’t have to do those things anymore, because when you go through this program, what you’re going to do is you’re going to dig in to all the different pieces of equipment, okay? And you’re not just like learning exercises on them, although you will do that, you will learn everything that Lesley learned from Jay Grimes over the more than 10 years she studied with him and with Sandy Shimoda. You are actually going to be connecting the dots across the pieces of equipment that is going to allow you to understand why are you doing this thing with this person on the chair? Why would you then take them over to the barrels and do this other thing over there? And then, you know, because ultimately, you’re understanding what their goals are, and then you can create the path through the equipment and through the exercises for them to reach their goals. Okay, how cool is that for you to just be able to understand that and not necessarily have to, like, go hit your books and be like, oh, I can’t remember what I need to do with this person. No, when you go through elevate this stuff really comes together. And the the amount of confidence that has brought the people who have finished, which at this point, we got about 50 grads and 25 more people going through it this year. It’s just been overwhelming feedback and in a positive way. And we want you to come. We’re gonna do just the workout. Come get you know, move with Lesley, and then hang out afterwards. We’re gonna do a Q&A talk all about eLevate. We are literally more than 50% sold out for 2026 so there’s not that many spots left, but to find out about when this class is going to happen, go to lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist elevatewaitlist.

Lesley Logan 9:09
I love this program so much. It’s so much fun, and I’m really excited because next year we are going to do the two, two rounds again. We’re not going to do it for the following year. This is the last time we can really commit to doing that, mostly because we just had so many people interested. We really, really didn’t want you to wait. So we opened up another section, and like Brad said, it’s almost sold out. It’s just one of my favorite things. I get to spend so much time with you guys, and you, the progression, and then also, when you graduate, you’re in the alumni group, and then I get to and then we’re still together, and I’m still watching people elevate it’s just (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 9:25
We actually have a smaller group inside of the alumni who all virtually get together once a week to take an OPC class together and encourage each other and just get their movement.

Lesley Logan 9:51
From around the world.

Brad Crowell 9:52
From around the world. It’s super cool. You know, we didn’t set that up. They set it up. It’s awesome. Anyway you want to be at this class. Go to lesleylogan.co/elevatewaitlist that’ll be this summer.

Brad Crowell 10:04
All right, next up, we got the Pilates Income Accelerator. If you are taking money from any person to teach them anything, whether that’s Pilates or yoga or whatever, probably Pilates, because of who our audience usually is, I want you to come to this free workshop that I’m doing called the Pilates Income Accelerator. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator that’s profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator. We’re going to be covering three major secrets, about mindset, about money, about the numbers, and about marketing, and the messaging, the language you’re using. We’re going to be digging into those things, and then afterwards, I’m going to be able to answer questions about your business. So you can send in a question early, and I’ll have it prepared so I can read through these questions and make sure everybody gets some kind of an answer here. I want you to come. It’s free. You should do it. So go to prfit.biz/accelerator. Finally, Les, where are we going in October?

Lesley Logan 10:59
Crowsnestretreats.com that’s where we’re going. We’re going to our house in Siem Reap we have a lovely retreat planned for you. Oh my goodness. It’s so wonderful. It’s so cozy. It’s a small group that can attend this event. We do Pilates five days. We go to the temples for two days. We take you to a lotus farm. We take you on a water tour. You get massages, and you also get to, like, really figure out what it is that you want when you leave, when you go home from the retreat.

Brad Crowell 11:26
Yeah, so those are all what are we doing, but why would they go?

Lesley Logan 11:30
Oh, I mean, because you’re gonna feel like a freaking rock star when you come back, like you’re actually gonna feel so good, you’re gonna feel like you actually were in wonderment for a week. Wouldn’t you like to get in wonderment for a week? I think so.

Brad Crowell 11:43
Yeah. Wonder.

Lesley Logan 11:45
Why do you think?

Brad Crowell 11:46
When you think about Angkor Wat, it does create that intense curiosity, that wonder. How was it possible that they did what they did 1000 years ago, and for it to still be standing today, with all this epic, intricate carvings and all this stuff. You know, when you go on a journey like this, it’s an adventure. You get to meet other amazing, adventurous people. We’ve also had, similar to eLevate, we’ve had retreaters stay connected afterwards. We’ve had like group retreat calls afterwards. We’ve had retreaters come back, bringing other people, because it was so inspirational.

Lesley Logan 12:24
This coming one in October has someone from the last one, and then someone she’s bringing her friend. And then last October, we had someone coming for the second year in a row, so like, just fun.

Brad Crowell 12:34
Three or four times now, you know, yeah, we’ve had it happen over the years.

Lesley Logan 12:38
It’s a true like, when we hear the word retreat, it’s like a true retreat. You get to really turn off what’s going on in the world and focus on you and being in awe.

Brad Crowell 12:47
Yeah, that’s what’s in it for you, y’all and you should join us. Go to crowsnestretreats.com. Before we get to Aletta, we have an audience question but.

Lesley Logan 12:55
Yes, okay, I’m hijacking the questions again.

Brad Crowell 12:57
Yeah, before you ask the question, I’m just gonna give it a quick preface. We spent the better part of a year building a tool that allows you to effectively have your own internal Google search situation going on through an AI tool that allows you to understand all the answers that Lesley and I have been giving to people for the past 10 years of coaching for fitness business. We call it the Pocket LL. And this tool, it was trained on 10 million words, where blog posts, webinars, courses, coaching, calls, group coaching calls, all these things where we’re answering all these questions. And then we compiled it all into this insane database. And then we’ve got this awesome tool that you get to use when you’re an Agency member. And today, we wanted to feature a question anonymously. We’re not going to say the person’s name, but we’re going to feature a question that somebody actually asked the Pocket LL, so here you go.

Lesley Logan 13:48
Yeah, so I have a problem client that gives me anxiety every time she comes in, but I owe her another six sessions in her 10 back. How do I fire her?

Brad Crowell 13:57
That is, that’s tough.

Lesley Logan 13:58
And Pocket LL, said firing a client is never easy, but it’s often necessary for your peace of mind and the health of your business. The image you see here captures an essential truth, it will never feel good to fire a client, but the sooner you take action, the fewer issues you’ll have. Holding onto a problematic client can cost you more than just your sanity. It can affect your energy, your other clients and even your team. Here’s how you can handle this gracefully. One, acknowledge sessions owed. You can refund the remaining six sessions or offer them to another instructor if you have one available, this ensures you’re honoring the financial commitment without continuing the relationship. Two, be direct, but kind, say something like, thank you so much for working with me. I’ve realized that I’m no longer the best fit for your Pilates journey. I’d be happy to recommend another instructor or studio that might suit your needs better. Three, stick to your boundaries. If this client has been violating your policies or creating undue stress, don’t feel obligated to explain or justify your decision. As I said before, you’re not going to convince crazy. Keep it professional and move forward. I love when she quotes herself, which is me.

Brad Crowell 15:00
You’re not gonna convince crazy. That is amazing.

Lesley Logan 15:03
I know. I mean, like I said that, so that’s what I love about this. Okay. Four, prepare for pushback. Some clients may try to argue or guilt you into staying. Stay firm. Remember, you’re creating space for better clients who respect your time and energy. And number five, focus on the opportunity. Once this client is gone, you’ll have room for someone who uplifts you and aligns with your business values. Trust that the universe will fill that space with someone amazing. And then she always prompts with other questions. If you want to continue the conversation or you can just go start it’s all good.

Brad Crowell 15:32
Yep. Yeah. I mean, listening to those answers, I actually know the story behind every piece of that answer, because it’s multiple conversations, over multiple calls, over multiple years, over multiple courses. And it’s amazing that this, this tool is a, this search tool, is able to gather all that information and turn around and present it to you in a way that is cohesive, concise, and also you can actually use to take action. So.

Lesley Logan 15:57
And it’s and it’s from all the years of experience of coaching thousands of businesses, and also all of my years of being and everything in this industry you could be. So I just really am so proud of the Pocket LL. And I do go through once a week and edit anything. And I’ll, first, I stick with the things where people trigger an alert, because you could say avocado, if she makes sense to you. And then also I’ll just go through for quality control and just read some of our answers. Sometimes I add another sentence because I’m like, oh, here’s another idea. You know, now that I’m this many more years or I’ve helped this many more people, so it’s always evolving. It’s always getting better, and it’s there for you no matter where you live in the world, as long as you’re an Agency member.

Brad Crowell 16:36
Yep, yeah. So if you’re interested in what that even means, what that is, come to my free webinar like I was talking about go to prfit.biz/accelerator we will talk about Agency at the end, before I answer questions and come check it out.

Lesley Logan 16:48
And then also, we’ll go back to answering the questions you send in. I just wanted to hijack it because it’s my podcast.

Brad Crowell 16:53
I love it. I love it. All right. Well, stick around we’ll be right back. We’re going to dig into the conversation you have with Aletta Rochat. It was very inspirational. She is really good at bringing out excellence in people, so we’ll be right back.

Brad Crowell 17:09
All right. Welcome back. Let’s talk about Aletta Rochat. Aletta is a public speaking coach and executive presence mentor based in Cape Town, South Africa. So an executive presence mentor, okay? She coached and trained in 21 countries, and will soon become the first woman from Africa the and only the 10th woman in 100 years to be the international president of Toastmasters International. So the 10th woman in the in what the last 100 years. She helps clients become more confident presenters by communicating with clarity, owning their presidents and reclaiming their sense of belonging. She also has been involved with Toastmasters since 2008. She has gone through all their educational material, and she’s like the highest educator that they certify all the things she actually had a really great story about how she started to realize public speaking became like her survival mechanism, and then how it went on to now become her, you know, how she’s supporting others succeed. I thought that was pretty cool.

Lesley Logan 18:10
I also just, you know, like you like you hear, I heard about Toastmasters, like.

Brad Crowell 18:14
I’ve heard about it so many times and I’ve never done, I don’t even know what it was.

Lesley Logan 18:16
And you kind of think like, oh, it’s kind of like a Moose Club, like the Moose Lodge. Like, it’s just, you know what I mean, but it’s not, it’s like, still going so strong, and it’s helping a lot of people.

Brad Crowell 18:26
She said they’re in 150 countries.

Lesley Logan 18:27
Yeah and it made me go all the people who are like, I need a friend. Go to fucking Toastmasters. Like, hear their stories. You’ll connect. Yeah, you have to publicly speak, but you’re gonna be around people.

Brad Crowell 18:37
Well, she said you’re guaranteed claps and guaranteed support, or you’re guaranteed an audience and you’re guaranteed claps.

Lesley Logan 18:43
It sounds better than AA, where you also get both of those. I just think it sounds amazing. I’m so excited we’re gonna highlight this. She said, “I show up differently when I think I belong.” And she said that someone once told her, remember that you belong. That phrase helped her stay relaxed and be more spontaneous and likely to share her ideas. And I think that that’s so important because for her to be where she’s at in, in the world, but also in Toastmasters, each time she leveled up, there’d be, like, a reason to go, oh my God, who let me in here? They’re gonna find out, like Maya Angelou is like, someone’s gonna find out that I don’t know what I’m doing. But if you remember that you belong, it changes how you show up. And you show up willing to be more yourself, which is going to allow you to connect with more people. And it’s just so, so important.

Brad Crowell 19:32
Well, I think also not only the vibes, the vibes are weird when you feel like you don’t belong, but when you feel like you belong, you will approach the group, the conversation, the experience, in a much different way, because you’re gonna participate. I mean, honestly, that’s like the biggest thing. When you feel like you belong, you feel like you’re allowed to participate, and if you feel like you don’t belong, what do you do? You stand there and listen. You don’t talk, you don’t do anything. So I thought it was really, also, like, amazing that advice, hey, remember that you do belong. Remember that you do and she said, this was instantaneously a life-changing statement for her.

Lesley Logan 20:11
Yeah. And so she even said, even though it wasn’t a Be It Action Item yet, she said, “If you belong, how would you show up? How would you speak up?” And she says, like, it’s like a fundamental building block of confidence and executive presence. And I just thought, yeah, we need to put that on our mirrors everywhere we can read them before we walk into a room where it’s new for us. We’re feeling a little nervous. I just thought was brilliant.

Brad Crowell 20:32
I really dug in when she was talking about when to say yes, because you, you were asking her, it’s like, wow, you seem willing to say yes to things. And she said, to my own detriment, sometimes I’ve said yes when I shouldn’t have, but she said, the worst thing you could do is say yes to something that you don’t want to do. And she was talking about, I think her example was like the Boy Scout troop, they asked her to do some specific role and and she said, thanks, but that’s not the right role for me. I you know, she said there was nothing about it that lit me on fire, nothing that was exciting in any way to me, and to other people it might be really exciting, but for her, it wasn’t. And she she said something very specific. She said when you say yes to something that you don’t want to do, you literally start off building resentment from the, from day one.

Lesley Logan 21:19
Yeah, she’s correct. Honestly, I can look back going to the question, like, how do we fire a client? I remember taking the check going, I don’t really want to teach her. And then the moment she texts me the next week, can I change my time? I’m like, like, it was, like a zero to 60 resentment, as opposed to someone I was really fired up to teach but like, oh yeah, this is your first time. We can do it, but not after that, you know. So she is 100%.

Brad Crowell 21:44
Yeah, that was so poignant that she identified the resentment factor right out of the gate, you know. And we, why do we say yes to things that we don’t want to do? Probably because we feel stuck, you know, like we feel like we have to. We feel like we’re, you know, social pressure, guilt, money, something. There’s underlying fear there that is making us do it. Could be family. That’s like forcing us to do it, and it just builds that resentment. She said it should be both sides of the coin. You want to say yes because you want to do it and you also want to learn. I mean, what are the stories we tell ourselves? I have to say yes because I’m the right person for the job. I have the most experience. I just have to do it. No one else is going to do it, so I’m going to do it. These are a lot of reasons why we say yes, but we don’t want to. Ultimately, it’s important to offer service. I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t be serving people, but even that service should be also doing something for you.

Lesley Logan 22:37
Yeah, because you won’t show up the same you just won’t show up the same way. And I had someone who we actually really love and support in a lot of ways financially, and they’d ask me to be on a board. And if you guys have ever been around me, you know I’ve been on a board before I got burned. It was traumatizing. It was a whole thing. And I was like, I’ll never be on an unpaid board again. And of course, I get this invite to apply. And I was like, there’s a part of me is like, oh, they want me. And then I was like, oh, I can’t do this. And then I was like, oh, I’m gonna let them down. I have, I know they need someone. Maybe I could do it if it’s just, like, this much time a week, I was literally doing like, mental gymnastics to figure out how to say yes to the thing I already knew would not be the right thing. And then it took me forever to write up a thank you. But no, thank you. And you know what they said? We totally understand and thank you for being so honest. We don’t want anyone to do this because they feel obligated, you know, and know that the door’s always open if you, if anything ever changes and I was just like, oh, it could be that simple. It could be that simple. And honestly, if they’d answered any other way, I’ve been like, we’re so disappointed. That is a fucking red flag to run away from. But if they’re willing to be grateful, and you know, if they asked me, like, Who else do you do you know anyone else who could be right for this? I would have absolutely sent them some people, you know. So I just think that, like you can also see the true colors of the person if you’re, if you’re being authentically honest about whether you can say yes or no.

Brad Crowell 24:09
I was laughing when she started to, to, she basically said, if you have helium hand, where just your hand goes up and you can’t seem to stop it. I was laughing. I was like, what did she say? I literally rewound it. Listened to it twice. She said she’s now learned to sit in her hands every now and again. So, good for her. And she said, you know, just make sure saying yes is not a reaction or a reflex reaction, but it’s a concerted action. It’s a decision that you’re making. So awesome.

Brad Crowell 24:37
Well anyway, great takeaways right there from Aletta. Stick around. We’ll be right back. We’re going to dig into those Be It Action Items.

Brad Crowell 24:46
All right, welcome back. Let’s dig into those Be It Action Items from Aletta Rochat. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo? She said, hey, here is how you identify your superpowers, which I’m all about. She said what are the clues to your superpowers? It’s what other people keep asking you for help with. What is, what is it that you are consistently asked about, like, hey, can you help me, like, prep this thing or cook this dish or organize this event or be on the board or whatever. What is the thing that you keep being asked to do? She shared that most people overlook their strength, strengths because A. they come supernaturally to you. You might not even realize that they are a strength that you have, that others don’t. They often become the most powerful gifts, right? Like, my mom has the gift of gab. That’s what everybody said. Wow your mom, she’s amazing. She talks to everybody. She’s got the gift of gab, right? Well, sometimes the gift of gab was like, my dad was like, are we ready to go? Are we ready to go? So the way that I grew up, sometimes the gift of gab was a negative thing, because it was like, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, right? And it wasn’t until later that I realized that it can also be a positive thing. So sometimes we look at what actually is a strength in the wrong light.

Lesley Logan 26:04
Because somebody may have told you, yeah, told you you talk too much, or you’re a big jokester, or you don’t take things seriously, but there’s always a positive side to a coin.

Brad Crowell 26:12
Yeah, and I’m not trying to do my dad a disservice there, but I called him out, that’s not what I meant.

Lesley Logan 26:17
If Steven listens to this. Hi, Steven. You can come visit anytime.

Brad Crowell 26:30
Aletta said that somehow society, that’s a very inside joke, y’all, and I don’t think literally, anybody except for my family, would get that. Aletta also said somehow society has conditioned us that we tend to verbalize what we’re good at saying, oh, it’s nothing, no big deal. Oh, yeah, you know, glad to help. You know, but we don’t actually identify that it’s really a superpower. An example that I didn’t understand when I was in my band in when I first moved out to L.A. and I’m like, running around getting us set up to do the get the show, I talked to the venue owner, I like, figured out the night of the week that the band could do it. We rehearsed. We had to do a bunch of rehearsals. We get in there. We made a little marketing flyer. We distributed the marketing flyer, got it out into the community. All to do what? I just wanted to play. I just wanted to play on stage, right? And so I’m doing all the things to so that I can get up on stage and play. And what I didn’t understand was that doing all those things that’s actually part of my superpower. I saw the path through, how do I get to the end goal, you know? And then what are the steps that we need to do to do it? And ultimately, when I, when I finally identified that this was a strength of mine by doing the Strengths Finders exam, the first time I took it in 2010, it was this mind-blowing thing, because I was like, oh, everybody doesn’t do that. I thought this was just the what you just do, what you have to do. I guess. That’s the way I saw it. And it wasn’t until I understood that this was actually valuable that I was able to go get a job to do literally that, and that’s how I got into operations instead of companies. Kind of crazy. (inaudible) Yeah, you know, she said, We trivialize it because we don’t recognize this as a strength. We hold back articulating our value. We don’t identify that we have something that most people might not have, and that becomes our superpower. It can, it should. When we look at it through that lens, suddenly you’re like, oh, this is something I’m inherently good at, and that is really a superpower. It’s amazing. Like my mom’s gift of gab is a superpower. You know, figuring out a way through the chaos is my superpower. But how do you identify that? Right? Then, when you finally are able to identify that again, I do recommend Strengths Finders, Clifton Strengths, they call it now. Now you get to finally say, my superpower is x, right?

Lesley Logan 28:48
Yeah.

Brad Crowell 28:49
What about you?

Lesley Logan 28:50
Okay, so I said it before, but I think it’s real. I really love that it’s back here in the Be It Action Items, just in case you need to hear it again. She said, reclaim your sense of belonging and give yourself permission to belong. Aletta urged us to reclaim the feeling of belonging if we’ve lost it. She emphasized, it’s within our power to grant ourselves permission to belong. And once you reclaim it, start playing with it. You can start thinking and start speaking and start acting as if you belong. It might feel like you’re this is like the true be it till you see it, it’s gonna feel like you’re acting. There was an interview that’s coming out, or it may have already been out, where someone talked about how they love the podcast name, because every day, we allow actors to play a role in a movie, and we believe them, right? We believe that they are that person for that period of time. And being it till you see it is like acting as it. And so you are going to reclaim it, and you’re gonna play with it. You’re gonna play with belonging, all that stuff, and before you know it, you’ll have played it so much that you become it. That’s it. You become the person that belongs. You’re giving yourself permission. So I just thought, I was like, that’s a be it till you see it right there. That’s why this exists. So thank you, Aletta, for being you. You’re so amazing. I’m so glad we’re able to make this happen. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 30:03
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 30:04
Thank you so much for listening. I hope this was really awesome for you. I really loved it. I also just love her voice. I love the way she explained things, the helium hand, like there’s just so many things to go back to and listen. So please take another listen through if you haven’t already, share it with a friend who needs to hear it, especially the ones who need to sit on their hands, but also the ones who need to be reminded that they belong and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 30:26
Bye for now.
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Lesley Logan
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Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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