Lesley Logan 0:52
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the transformational convo I have with Inna Segal on our last episode. If you didn’t listen to it, and this is your first time listening to us. We rock, we slay. It might be confusing to join on our recap, but you can do it. It’s like the Cliff Notes version of a podcast. And then if you resonate with what we talked about from her, you should go listen to that one. She’s pretty great.

Brad Crowell 1:15
She’s pretty great. I was a little worried at the beginning, because it got it started off, like, with one foot in woo-woo land and I was like, oh, here we go and then she defied all expectations, and, I really enjoyed the interview.

Lesley Logan 1:29
Not gonna lie on the pre-interview. I was like, I don’t know, I don’t know if I want this topic. But then she defied my she, like, surprised my expectations too. So I thought, okay, well, we’ll have to have her on because I think it’s here’s the deal, like, I like having one foot in, like, actual science, and then one foot in, what happens when, like, we’re getting in our own way. And there isn’t, you know what I mean, because some of, like, a lot of the science and medicine is, I don’t know. I just think that we have to have, there’s room for both, so.

Brad Crowell 1:57
There’s room for both.

Lesley Logan 1:58
Today is May 28th 2026 and today, oh, actually, hold on. Stop the show. Hold on. We, Brad and I, on our European trip, decided we want to change a few things. So before I get into what today is.

Brad Crowell 2:11
We got that written into the script.

Lesley Logan 2:13
The other thing that I have to talk about?

Brad Crowell 2:15
Yeah.

Lesley Logan 2:16
Are you sure? Okay.

Brad Crowell 2:19
Yeah. I’ve read your mind.

Lesley Logan 2:20
Let’s see. Let’s see if it’s there. Today, they’re all like, what is happening? Well, you’ll notice a few other changes to the show now as well. Because we are, we are making some changes around here.

Brad Crowell 2:32
There’s a shifting up in a good way.

Lesley Logan 2:33
But first, today is May 28th 2026, and today celebrates two topics, close to our hearts. Well, let’s see. We, Brad said it was close to my heart before, but we’ll see if it is. So the first one, oh, I think this is. We have two. Here they are, Amnesty International Day and International Day of Action on Women’s Health. Well, of course, here, so if you don’t know what Amnesty International is, we thought it’d be fun to talk about it. So you’ve probably heard of Amnesty International, is what Brad is saying. But what actually, is it? Amnesty International or AI, for short, I think they probably can’t use that anymore.

Brad Crowell 3:06
I think they’ve had that. I mean, they’ve been around since, like, the 80s, 60s.

Lesley Logan 3:09
You know what they could do? They could do what the WWF did, which is sue, they sued the WW, now E, because they were using Worldwide Wrestling Federation, the WWF, the worldwide like Animal Foundation, or something like that, World Wildlife Foundation, they sued and won, and that’s why WWE and Amnesty International, here’s what I will, I will donate to the suing fun of getting rid of AI, I am in, make them call it something else, and make them stop using the water in Nevada. Anyways, different story. Okay, so Amnesty International, or AI for short, is international human rights organization that campaigns worldwide to protect individuals and groups rights. It conducts research and runs information education efforts to highlight violations, and there are a lot. So we’re probably fucking around too. So we are fucking around, not we, but the collective country we. AI was founded in London in 1961 by the lawyer Pete Benison in what he called The Forgotten Prisoners and an appeal of amnesty, which appeared on the front page of The Observer, a British newspaper. He wrote about two students who toasted to freedom in Portugal, and four other people have been jailed in other nations because of their beliefs. Amnesty.

Brad Crowell 4:15
So they toasted, they they drank wine, and then they were sentenced to seven years in prison for drinking, at the time.

Lesley Logan 4:23
Oh, because the place where they drink, you can’t drink.

Brad Crowell 4:26
I don’t know the full story, but that was what his whole article was about.

Lesley Logan 4:29
Because, like, why is there alcohol there, if not allowed to drink it?

Brad Crowell 4:32
I don’t know, yeah, but,

Lesley Logan 4:33
I mean, here’s a deal, guys, don’t, don’t spit your gum out in Singapore.

Brad Crowell 4:36
Yeah, don’t do that.

Lesley Logan 4:37
So, and there’s a few other things, like, don’t walk around and drink water either. I know you can’t do that. Okay, so AI’s original focus was prisoners of conscience, which, with its remit widening in the 1970s included miscarriages of justice and torture. I think that’s great. The organization says that it has more than 10 million members and supporters around the World. The stated mission of the organization is to campaign for a world in which every person enjoys all the human rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other international human rights instruments. I think that this is great because, look, here’s the deal. You go to a different country, you break a law that’s like, it’s unfortunate, if it’s something like silly, but also, can’t just do those things. However, I like that they’re really focusing on there are just some straight up human rights that every person should have no matter where they are in the world. And I think, like we like you don’t get to pick where you’re born, and in some of the circumstances, you can’t leave where that is. And so I do think that there should be some basic human rights that every single person gets to enjoy no matter where they are in this world.

Brad Crowell 5:42
Yeah. I mean, it’s, you know, I’ve heard about Amnesty International for years, initially through the church I grew up in, and then through podcasts that we listen to, you know, all the things. But I didn’t really know what they did other than, like, they help people somehow, you know, so it’s cool to, like, actually read a little bit more about them and.

Lesley Logan 6:04
And today is their day.

Brad Crowell 6:06
Today is their day,

Lesley Logan 6:07
But it’s not just their day. It’s also International Day of Action for Women’s Health, also known as women health, Women’s Health Day. It’s marked in May 28th by women and health organizations globally to educate people about women’s health and rights. The day fights against the social and gender disparities that violate women’s rights. It is alarming that these disparities manifest in various ways and operate on multiple levels. These include women’s rights, their bodies and health, as well as equality and non-discrimination. This day provides women with more information about sexual and reproductive rights and control over their reproductive health. You guys, it is I’m seeing some beautiful things happen in lots of places. In Ireland, of all places, they just created opportunities. If you have a miscarriage, you’ve paid leave.

Brad Crowell 6:49
Oh, wow.

Lesley Logan 6:49
Yes. In Ireland, I think they did some other things about women’s health that’s really beautiful. In the United States. and on this podcast, we are for we are pro choice, and because also you have to understand that women’s rights around their health and their bodies change state by state, which is a problem. It should not be like that. My husband’s rights don’t change wherever state he’s in. Mine do my access to quality health care change based on what state I’m in, if I have any reproductive health care problems in some of these states, there are not doctors in a lot of places that have education information, because I’m watching The Pit right now. And when you’re a doctor, you go to medical school, and then you go and you learn from other doctors. It’s why it’s called the practice. And if your residency is in a state where there are not abortion rights, then you do not get to learn about abortions and how they’re done and why they’re needed, and the signs and symptoms, and so it affects women’s health everywhere, because then that doctor goes somewhere else, and let’s say they’re in a state where you have that right, but they’ve never had that experience, and you need one. You can go septic. You could there’s so many different things that can happen to you, so please take make sure that your friends and family and your loved ones and your nieces and people in your life who you’re wondering if they have access make sure they have education information about their health. Today’s the day.

Brad Crowell 8:07
Today’s the day.

Lesley Logan 8:08
Yeah, all right. I can’t wait till we live in a country where women’s health rights are fucking equal, but might not happen until our nieces are grown up.

Brad Crowell 8:20
Well.

Lesley Logan 8:21
On that note.

Brad Crowell 8:22
Yeah, here’s what we got coming up. So for those of you who are looking to really dive deeper into your teaching, we have a mentorship program that Lesley teaches annually. It’s called eLevate. And there may only be a few spots left for 2027, by the time you hear this, we’ve had a lot of interest for it.

Lesley Logan 8:44
On the day, on the day we’re recording this, I actually just accepted another person, and then I made a little story about, like, hey, there’s only, technically three spots left, but like, several people who’ve been accepted. So next for three people who get it, and someone goes, I am I’m working on it. I’m getting there. So as of right now, there’s only two.

Brad Crowell 9:00
Yeah, so and then so. But if you’re interested in understanding what that is, reading more about it, go to lesleylogan.coelevate. That’s L-E-S-L-E-Y-logan.co/elevate and for those of you who are interested in meeting up in real life and having a party, a Pilates party, come join us on OPC’s Summer Tour. Tickets are probably available right now. So head over to opc.me/tour. Come join us. We’re going to be driving through straight across the middle of the United States and then looping back around.

Lesley Logan 9:32
We’re like a Saturn ring.

Brad Crowell 9:34
Yeah, we’re kind of like a Saturn ring. We’ve like, 13 or 14 stops on this summer tour, little bit less than last year, but we’re hitting spots that we’ve never been to before. So really fired up. Go see the full tour map at opc.me/tour and OPC Members, we are really fired up to be hosting Tami this weekend in Las Vegas this upcoming week. So just in like two days from when you’re listening to this, we’re gonna be hosting Tami in Las Vegas to film more classes for y’all.

Lesley Logan 10:02
Well, and two weeks from the day we recorded this, we’ll have Mindi at the house.

Brad Crowell 10:06
That’s right.

Lesley Logan 10:06
So, you know, everyone’s like, when is that, like, what’s going on?

Brad Crowell 10:11
Well, you know, we, we have a full studio here in Las Vegas at our house, the home studio.

Lesley Logan 10:16
Sometimes it’s easier for them.

Brad Crowell 10:18
Yeah. So, you know, we got all the gear and all the things and and, you know when, if and when they are making their way through Vegas, we just ask them to stick around. And it’s a lot more fun.

Lesley Logan 10:27
Way more fun. It’s really a lot of fun and also, then Brad does all their mic and their audio. They can just be themselves, they, you know, and then I just hide out my room.

Brad Crowell 10:36
And if you if you’re new here, welcome. My name is Brad. Don’t forget to check out our Pilates Flash Cards. You can be wondering what the heck that even is. Just go to opc.me/flashcards and check it out.

Lesley Logan 10:48
Yeah, you should. There’s six decks. They’re quite fun. Okay, this, breaking news. How they go, like, yeah, like, the Morse Code. We are changing the, if you’re new here, you have no idea what we’re changing to, but if you’ve been here a long time, we always answer an audience question here, and I like doing that on YouTube, so I’m just gonna do it over there, and we’re not doing it here anymore.

Brad Crowell 11:14
Did I read your mind?

Lesley Logan 11:15
You did-ish.

Brad Crowell 11:17
Did-ish.

Lesley Logan 11:18
I wanted to start the podcast by saying, if you want to support this pod, you should become an OPC member. But that’s okay, we’ll do that on the next one. But yes, this is true. This is also what we want to do. So okay, we are making a change. We’re getting rid of the audience questions, as I said, they’re going to the YouTube and they’re free there. You just go to opc.me/yt. And every Sunday, at 9am Pacific Time, I go and I answer your questions. You just drop it is your question doesn’t have to be applicable to the video you drop it on. Just make sure it’s clear so I know what the question is, if it’s not for that video, but I answer all YouTube questions for free on our YouTube channel at 9am Pacific Time, and that’s where we’re gonna do it from now on, because.

Brad Crowell 11:58
On Sundays.

Lesley Logan 11:59
On Sundays, and you can join the live and you can join in on the conversation. So like, if I’m answering a question about breathing or whatever, and you have more questions about breathing, we could just keep going. We could just keep talking about the topic. And I it’s more fun because I just feel like I’m having a lot of by myself conversations. I won’t do that anymore. So 9am Pacific Time on Sundays on YouTube is where your questions get answered if you’re not one of our members of something else. Okay, so.

Brad Crowell 12:24
And what are we replacing the Q and A section with?

Lesley Logan 12:28
We want to start highlighting charities who are kicking ass and taking names. And the reason for this is, you know, I forgot. I’m not recalling her name, but she’s Canadian, and she was super, super sweet, and she was on our podcast talking about giving back, and there’s more ways to give back. And and she was just so, so sweet. And I remember thinking, like, sometimes we can donate with money. Not everyone can. Sometimes we can donate with time. Sometimes we can, like our time, like going and volunteering at the place. Sometimes we can donate by just spreading the word. And so Brad and I are not billionaires, and I’m not MacKenzie Scott, yet working on it, being an OPC member, I have a dream of, like, being MacKenzie Scott, where, like, I donate so much money every month that it makes headlines. Like, that’s a goal. How fun would that be like.

Brad Crowell 13:16
That would be amazing.

Lesley Logan 13:17
I’m just, like, giving medical scholarships away or these, you know what I mean. Like, that’s what I want to be doing. But like, you had to, you had to get the money to do that first. So anyways, since what we can do with our platform is just highlight charities are doing this, and so, so that’s what the segment is going to be, we’re gonna try to follow, like, what’s kind of going on in the month or the world, to bring up, highlights this and that way, if you haven’t found a charity that like you want to volunteer or donate to, or things like that, like maybe we could bring one to your awareness. And so this way, we can highlight and platform them, and then you can do what you want with that. So today, we are highlighting our favorite charity that we work with all the time.

Brad Crowell 13:58
Yeah, the Nevada SPCA. I finally learned what SPCA means.

Lesley Logan 14:04
Tell them what it means, Brad.

Brad Crowell 14:06
Okay, it’s the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

Lesley Logan 14:11
Yes. So the SPCA, you know those ads they all have, what’s her name, singing that poor song that makes you want to cry. I think that’s who it is, but it was the Nevada SPCA is our local one, and they actually don’t take any government funding. Everything that they all the money they have is all locally raised money. And actually 2% of their funds they need for the year are covered by the adoption fee. So 98%.

Brad Crowell 14:34
Right. So only 2%.

Lesley Logan 14:36
Only 2%

Brad Crowell 14:37
Only 2% are covered by the fees.

Lesley Logan 14:39
98% of their budget has to be donated in. And when you’re an OPC member, you actually are contributing to Nevada SPCA.

Brad Crowell 14:48
Surprise.

Lesley Logan 14:49
Yeah, I don’t know if you know this. We’ve been doing it a year now. And you know, we’ve, we’ve, we’ve, OPC has always had built in to our our business, that we would donate every quarter. And. We donate to lots of different charities. And I was just getting tired of feeling like, I don’t know, like I wasn’t acknowledged for, you know, we’re not MacKenzie Scott yet, but just like, hey, let me know. Like, treat me like I gave you some money, like a letter, thank you, or this is what your money did, or just anything. I just wasn’t getting anything. And so we went to the NSPCA, because we actually just said goodbye to August, and I was just feeling like really sad, and we couldn’t adopt another dog, and I wasn’t ready for it, so we did, and within hours, they emailed us, they went on OPC site. They saw that we love rescue dogs, they saw that we live locally. They invited us in, and we toured the facility, right Brad?

Brad Crowell 15:33
Yes, and it was a lot of fun. The director walked us around, and she showed us all the things and told us all about it. And I didn’t know this, but it’s the SPCA, is the original no kill shelter, so that was, that’s pretty cool. And it’s also funded by the community, and it’s for the community, and they do all sorts of cool stuff, like, like, aside from obviously taking in dogs that need a new home, or cats.

Lesley Logan 15:57
And bunnies and chinchillas.

Brad Crowell 15:59
Yeah, yeah. They do. All the things like they even have lizards, I think. They actually have a vet on staff. And when the animals come in, the vet, you know, sees them and make sure that they’re, like, able to go into, you know, they’re safe enough to be mixed with the other animals that are in the population. Otherwise, they’re quarantined, you know, because a dog could come in that sick, and they can’t have a sick dog getting all the other dogs sick. So also, some dogs need, like surgeries and things like that.

Lesley Logan 16:25
It means they, all the things can be done in-house. So that’s how they’re able to save or they just have they have a skin issue, like they have vets on staff that are just for their animals, and do you know what else that they do for the community, babe?

Brad Crowell 16:37
They, yeah, they donate back. They help people support their dogs, their animals.

Lesley Logan 16:42
There’s been, unfortunately in the last several years, was there’s been a rise in economic euthanasia, is what it’s called. It’s when, you know the shelters are full and people fall in hard times, they can’t afford or medical euthanasia. They can’t afford the surgery their dog or cat needs or or even the food. And sometimes people are letting go of their animals because they can’t afford meals for them. And so the NSPCA is actually committed to helping people in the community keep their dogs, cats and pets, if it is something as simple as getting them food. So you can buy you could probably do this for your local but you can actually go the Nevada SPCA, and you can actually go to their Amazon wish list, and you can actually order food for all the different types of animals and send it. And guess what they do? They bag it up and they give it out to the community who needs it. They give out hundreds of pounds every single week. And then they also have someone whose entire job is actually helping those community members who are following hard times connect with vets if they need a surgery. They have vets outside of the SPCA that will help provide more affordable surgeries for the cats, dogs, animals, things like that. So we’re just super excited to be I walk dogs every Wednesday morning. It helps get my fix. You can go, you can go read to them. You can also do loads of love. That’s what’s you could just pick up laundry, wash it and bring it back.

Brad Crowell 17:59
Yeah, the SPCA, the Nevada SPCA, has been around since 1982.

Lesley Logan 18:05
Since you’ve been born.

Brad Crowell 18:07
Yeah, they’re, they’re my age, and we’ve just really enjoyed, you know, it’s, it’s funny, because we definitely know people who are like, I just can’t work. I can’t, I can’t be around that, because it makes me so sad.

Lesley Logan 18:20
Yeah.

Brad Crowell 18:21
And you know, of course, there’s definitely sad situations there, but when Lesley and I are there supporting the animals, and what is so encouraging is the team of people who are also there, supporting not just the volunteers like us, but supporting each other and the animals there, it is amazingly encouraging. They’re just incredibly enthusiastic and passionate about what they do. And, you know, we have had a chance now to see generally how fast the they’re able to find people to take their animals.

Lesley Logan 18:51
Yeah, very rarely does like an animal stick around and by by the grace of this community, my goodness, if Vixen is not adopted by this podcast release, I’m going to start crying, because she’s my new stormy Brad. She’s now the new longest resident. It’s always, anyways.

Brad Crowell 19:06
But it’s not like years in the shelter, right?

Lesley Logan 19:08
No, no, never.

Brad Crowell 19:09
We’re talking about weeks, months.

Lesley Logan 19:11
Usually it’s usually it’s days and weeks. And occasionally, here’s the deal. I’m going to call it out black cats and black dogs actually always are there longer at every shelter, not just the SPCA. So just know that if you you’re like, take a look at the black ones too. But like, black cats have a superstition, things like that, black pities. Often people just are a little bit scared of.

Brad Crowell 19:30
The stigma.

Lesley Logan 19:30
The stigma. So break the stigma by adopting them. So but it is encouraging they are. They do go fast. And, like, I check the website pretty much three times a week, and I get to see how quickly dogs are finding homes and cats are finding homes. And so I just want to say like, yes, but if you can’t go in and volunteer these places, first of all, keep listening. Every single Thursday, we’re going to have a new charity. So there might be one that’s easier for you, but also there are things you can do with charities like SPCA. It’s like we can take a dog for a hike. So we can actually just take one out. We can actually foster one in the house, if we want to, like, there’s just different ways you can support, especially if you can’t have an animal or have more animals. So Wednesday, also I do because I’m super busy. And you want to know, every Wednesday after I walk the dog and do my Pilates session, I actually drink my coffee as I drive over there, it takes me 12 minutes then get three dogs walked in less than 45 minutes, I’m back in my car, so an hour and 15 minutes of my morning between from start to finish. And here’s the other thing that’s so encouraging. When I walk the different dogs, as the different employees are showing up for their work day, the dogs pull to the employees. They’re like, they’re like, not obsessed with like, oh, this new person. They’re like, oh, look, that’s my friend, or that’s my friend. And so it’s just fun. So anyways, that’s the charity that when you support OPC by being a member, you are actually supporting the dogs and cats and chinchillas and all the things that SPCA is taking care of. So stay tuned. Every Thursday we’ll have new ones.

Brad Crowell 20:58
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, absolutely. But one last note, because I was doing something, I was looking something up, I was like, does every state have an SPCA? And the answer to that is no.

Lesley Logan 21:07
Oh, what?

Brad Crowell 21:08
Yeah, not every state has an SPCA.

Lesley Logan 21:11
Oh.

Brad Crowell 21:12
But, because, because there’s no like, there’s no like, corporate parent SPCA organization.

Lesley Logan 21:18
I thought there, oh, is that the ASPCA?

Brad Crowell 21:21
No, that’s the American SPCA.

Lesley Logan 21:24
There’s a corporate one that does these sad commercials. I’ve seen them.

Brad Crowell 21:28
Hold up because I was just looking at so, the SPCA, the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, is a common name for nonprofit animal welfare organizations around the world. The oldest is the Royal Society for the Prevention to the Cruelty of Animals, which was found in England in the 1820s. SPCA organizations operate independently of each other, campaign for animal welfare and assist in the in the Prevention of Cruelty to animal cases. So, and they’re they’re international. They’re all, all around the world, like, there’s, there’s a whole list here. I’m looking on Wikipedia.

Lesley Logan 22:01
The more you know,

Brad Crowell 22:02
Yeah, all around the world, but in the United States, there’s only a relatively short list of states. So, you know, maybe there’s a dozen around the country.

Lesley Logan 22:13
Well, we encourage you.

Brad Crowell 22:14
Yes, the American society, via ASPCA, is one of them on this list.

Lesley Logan 22:19
Okay, well, we encourage you to, if you love animals and you can’t take more, we encourage you to get involved with your local one, or just donate. Just become a member OPC, and then you’re donating to one. But like you, you’re, it’s surprising how how many animals you can help with just a little bit of money or a little bit of time, so. Okay.

Brad Crowell 22:38
All right, moving on, so.

Lesley Logan 22:39
We have to talk about Inna at some point, Brad.

Brad Crowell 22:42
We’re gonna do that. Let’s do that right now. All right, cool. So thanks for that. I don’t imagine they’ll all be this long. We obviously feature the one that we participate with ourselves.

Lesley Logan 22:51
The next one we probably won’t know a lot about, so it’ll get I promise they get shorter if you’re new here.

Brad Crowell 22:58
Let’s talk about Inna Segal. Inna is a bestselling author of The Secret Language of Your Body and pioneer in the field of energy, medicine and human consciousness. For more than 25 years, she has helped people understand the mind body connection and how unresolved emotions and life experiences can affect physical health. So after years of struggling with chronic health conditions herself, she began exploring the deeper connection between emotions, the body and healing. Through that journey, she developed practices that helped her restore her own health and now teaches others how to better understand the messages of their bodies. So I thought it was really interesting. You know, she talked about how she had, like, really, a pain, bad back situation was really hurting her. And also, like, you know, family consistently, her family got, got some kind of stomach cancer or something like that, and, you know, so she, she was really doing a lot of analysis on, like, what even is that? Why is this happening? What can I do to fix it? And she was seeking help with Western medicine, and her doctor basically told her, well, your body’s pretty much angry with you, and so it’s gonna do what it’s gonna do. And she was like, I don’t think I’m okay with that, and that’s what sent her down this whole path. So what was one of the things that you love that she talked about?

Lesley Logan 24:15
Okay, we she had several little sound bites that I just think are so applicable, even if you feel like you’re living in a healthy body, I think there are so many of these things I’m about to say that you can, like, apply to other things in your life as well. She said, perfection is the enemy of creation, and I think we could all agree there. Like, when you’re trying to make something perfect, it’s, it’s actually really stifling and stuffy and overwhelming. I’m currently working on a project, and, like, as a recovering perfectionist, I’m like, trying to figure out, like, what’s the right order of this? What’s this? And I have to keep reminding myself that one, I won’t know the right order as I’m putting it together. It will come together better as I do it, and then I will refine it and get back to it, which is exactly what she said, which is like, you know, she said, people will say, like, I am who I am. Instead, I’m trying to improve. And so what actually is happening when you’re improving yourself, is you’re refining, right, like, so we can’t be perfect, or even ever, because if we’re perfect, like, there’s a new age movement that’s like, you’re already perfect, the way you are is perfect. But then, like, what’s the point in being here? Like, if you’re already perfect, you don’t need to learn anything, do anything. Like, there’s no room for growth in being perfect. And so I just have to, like, I like, needed that reminder, because I’m like, you’re gonna do a great job, and then you’re gonna get better at it every time you review it and refine it and put it out there the way you’ll, you’ll refine something when you read it out loud, versus when you talk it out like, talk, teach it to somebody else, like you just, we are all in refinement mode. So I think especially when it comes to your health, you, you know, stop driving for perfection.

Brad Crowell 25:42
Yeah, definitely. Perfection is the enemy of creation. I thought that was pretty cool.

Lesley Logan 25:47
I want that on a bumper sticker, but not on our bumper, but just like I want to see it on other people’s bumper. So it reminds me.

Brad Crowell 25:54
Well, when she started to talk about, well, you were both talking about the gut, and she said, what is the gut about? It’s about digesting life as well as food, right? And she you know, the gut assimilates our daily experiences and is our emotional center. So let me just say that again, the gut assimilates our daily experiences and is our emotional center. So you don’t have to raise your hand. But who here has ever felt like fear or stress? Where? In our gut. I have. This one have.

Lesley Logan 26:29
It gets sour or it gets tight or, yeah.

Brad Crowell 26:32
Especially in a high stress situation or something, if you ever notice that you’re avoiding something, and then you have to, you have to deal with it. What do you feel? You feel it in your gut.

Lesley Logan 26:41
Oh my gosh, Brad. I was like, so stressed out last night when we were flying in to the country because, like, life today, and my stomach was in cramps. And then the bags didn’t come. And I was like, oh my god, this is Poland all over again, long story. But they took my bags and whatever. So I was just like, oh my God. Like, this is and I made it myself. My stomach hurt so bad I could barely hold myself up, because I just, like, created this fear everything was fine. They just had, like, a lot of bags.

Brad Crowell 27:09
Yeah, and for me, I like, for me, it’s usually a money thing. Like, when I feel like we don’t have enough money, I feel it in my gut. So it’s, it’s really interesting to hear her just name it because I, I have kind of intuitively known it, but not really put a finger on it. So the gut assimilates our daily experiences and is our emotional center. She stated, it’s kind of where our sense of self lives. And she said, because, you know, because we have our intuition, we have our emotions, we have knowingness, all right in there, right alongside our actual digestion.

Lesley Logan 27:42
You know, what’s funny is, like, it’s funny how, like your gut instincts, like, you know, when I’m teaching people.

Brad Crowell 27:47
Yeah, gut instincts. Trusting your guts.

Lesley Logan 27:49
In Pilates, the more you do Pilates, the more like, you’ll have a gut instinct about what you need. And it’s really funny because, like, I know so much about what I know, only what I know about, right? But sometimes when I have inspiration, it’s not in my head. Like, it’s a gut instinct, and then, and then, when someone goes, why did you think that? Then I have to actually go to my brain and going, why did I pick that? Like, why does that make sense? So it’s, it’s really funny how, like, your gut instincts or your intuitions or your inspirations often don’t come from the thoughts, they come from inside you. It’s, yeah, I love that.

Brad Crowell 28:19
Yeah. She said, a process of what happens during our day, our relationships and our experiences. So, you know, I just, I thought it was cool. I thought I wanted to highlight that from the conversation you had with her. And like we said, if you didn’t listen to it, it’s worth going back to listen to.

Lesley Logan 28:32
We talked about so many things, and I think especially if you are going through, since it is women’s health intervention or information day, what a perfect timing for Inna, nailed it, on the release. But if you like, she you really should listen to her story, because she really suffered from a lot her family did too, and she kind of is like the game changer in her family. Like the person was like, nope, this stops here, you know. And I find that we have a lot of you who listen to this podcast who are the change maker in your family. You’re the one who’s like, I’m gonna be a little different. I’m not going to do it this way anymore, because this is not working for anybody. It’s unhappy. So I think you’ll be inspired by her, by how she is and and also, like, we had some really great talks, because you can’t she’s going on this journey, but she’s not forcing people to go on the journey with her and her family too. So like, it’s quite it was, it was quite deep. I loved it.

Brad Crowell 29:20
Yeah, well, stick around. We’ll be right back.

Brad Crowell 29:24
All right. So finally, let’s talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Inna Segal? She was talking about boundaries, and she said it takes time to gain your confidence first, to become aware of what is a healthy boundary. Well, you were talking about boundaries in like, actual, literal doors, like, she’s got kids, so she was like, sometimes I have to draw boundaries with my own children because they’re interrupting me all day, every day or all night, and then waking up to a slew of text messages that are stressful, right? She said you must actively write to get clarity on what you actually need. Meaning, she likes to do that in her she likes to journal on that like, how do I how do I know where my boundaries are? And she said journaling or writing helps her create that clarity. You know, because what does she actually need? Maybe it’s self-respect, self-love or or just simply space. Boundaries are also about how you present them and be how are you consistently enforcing them? She said it’s the hardest thing with close family or children, because you don’t want to hurt them, but you still have to practice sticking to it right? And of course, we’ve discussed that tons of times here on the pod. You know, whether that is an immediate family member, or you know someone who’s married in to your family, or whatever. You know. How do you have boundaries? You know, without you don’t have to be an asshole about it, but it’s still important to have a boundary.

Lesley Logan 30:53
It’s really, it’s also just difficult, like, because there are people who are really good at making you feel like you’re an asshole for upholding a boundary.

Brad Crowell 31:00
Oh, yeah, no, they lay it on thick.

Lesley Logan 31:02
I think it’s really important to, like, really understand that you’re allowed to have those boundaries, and they might not like them, and you’re not an asshole for having a boundary.

Brad Crowell 31:11
But you can also communicate your boundaries in an asshole way you don’t have, we don’t have to do that, right? So, but, but, but, I think, you know, how do you do what you just said? How do we stick to our guns, as it were? You know, that’s where she said, it takes time to gain that confidence, to become aware of where the boundary, like, what is a, first off, what is a healthy boundary? And secondly, how do we communicate the boundary, you know? And then third, how do we uphold that boundary?

Lesley Logan 31:35
There’s the holistic psychologist. Holistic psychologist. She did a reel where she, like, actually impersonate her, like, mom, like, showed up at her door unannounced, and she opened it, and she’s like, hi, are you okay? And her mom’s like, oh yeah, just stopping by. She’s like, well, now is not a great time, so I’m glad you did, but I can’t come in. Like, next time, please just call. Like, she reiterated the boundary, like, please, like, next time, call ahead and let me know so I can make sure I have time to hang out with you, but I gotta go. And she shut the door, and she acted it out. And when you see it happening, you’re like, yeah, cuz that person just showed up, right? And she’s got stuff she’s doing. Can’t just stop everything, so she just shut the door in a nice way. So I think, like, there, there are ways, and you just have to reiterate it in your nice way. And it’s not, it’s not always easy to do so, but you have to keep doing it because you’re worthy of those boundaries.

Brad Crowell 32:32
Yeah, it’s a, you know, it’s, it’s really interesting that for me, being on Adderall.

Lesley Logan 32:40
Oh, hi guys. We’re on Adderall, just so you know.

Brad Crowell 32:42
And for the first time in my life, I understand your frustration of being interrupted.

Lesley Logan 32:49
Oh, because now when I interrupt you it, you’re.

Brad Crowell 32:52
It’s not just you, if I’m interrupted and I’m in like, my flow state, where before I was just, like, my brain would just switch to the next thing, and then I would effectively forget. And now I’m like.

Lesley Logan 33:04
It wasn’t great, but you could be interrupted easily, and you didn’t get mad. You’re so you were so good about being interrupted. And I was like, no, get the fuck out.

Brad Crowell 33:13
Yeah. And now I’m like, no, no, I, I’m, I’m, I’m in it right now. I need to stay in it. I want to stay in it. And so this is a new this is a new thing. It’s interesting. So, you know, I definitely, that is interesting. Anyway, what about what was your biggest takeaway? What was your Be It Action Item?

Lesley Logan 33:28
You’re learning so much, Brad. I don’t know that this episode sounds better while we’re both on Adderall, but just we are, you guys, we really are. We’re in focus. And by the way, please get it legally prescribed, since we’re talking about awareness, like, don’t buy shit off the streets, you guys, there is bad stuff in the street drugs, please.

Brad Crowell 33:46
Yeah.

Lesley Logan 33:47
Please. I know it’s difficult. My perimenopausal women, if you felt like a junkie calling 17 pharmacies, Brad and I did, too. We even went into them. Please see your psychiatrist. Please get the prescription. Please do it the right way. I do not want you getting something off the street that could be mixed with something. Thank you so much.

Brad Crowell 34:01
Also, like the whole process, I don’t know. I think it might have cost a combined $60 you know, because we had to book our appointment. But that was, that was like, not that expensive it was a o-pay.

Lesley Logan 34:13
Yeah, our crap insurance had a psychiatrist that will take us, yeah.

Brad Crowell 34:17
And then we went to, you know, the pharmacy, and there was a co-pay. So it wasn’t like this insane cost, either.

Lesley Logan 34:23
They are, if our insurance is gonna be listening, they’d be like, Lesley, we do a lot for you, and I’ll be like, dig it out.

Brad Crowell 34:31
Anyway. What was your Be It Action Item?

Lesley Logan 34:33
Okay. She said, make a decision that you are somehow responsible for your own healing, not for what happened to you, not the trauma or other people involved, but you’re you are responsible for your own healing.

Brad Crowell 34:46
And she coupled that, by the way, and that’s not in the notes here, but she coupled that with you are responsible for your feelings.

Lesley Logan 34:56
Yes.

Brad Crowell 34:57
Around it.

Lesley Logan 34:58
Yes, because that, yes, people can do things that create fear or frustration or guilt in you, but you are responsible for those feelings. And so then you can go and do you can go and do some reflection and get some refinement and understand, like, Why? Why is that creating that feeling in me? What is it? What is what? Why am I? Because then you’ll have responsibility of it, and you’re like, that person gave me, it made me have a bad day, did they? You know, but they deal with the bad thing that happened in your day.

Brad Crowell 35:25
Right. And then, and then how we receive it, you know? I mean, there’s certainly things that, like, I didn’t imagine that something would happen and I would have an emotional response. So I understand that, that I didn’t like if I’m processing it in the moment. But also there’s like, there comes a point where, especially if people have repetitive negative behavior, we are choosing to allow them to set us off or to push our buttons or whatever.

Lesley Logan 35:50
You know, yesterday, we got some interesting news, and we just had a great trip and a great time. And we had this interesting news, and I found myself getting, like, really angry and really frustrated and like, really pissed off, and then I was also trying to go, like, okay, that none of this has happened yet. None of the things that you’re have happened yet. They might never happen. What if you just figured it out, if it actually happened? And I kept like, I found myself wanting to get angry at the thing I just heard, and also just like, want to go, but what? Like, why don’t we just wait to see what happens? Right? And it was this constant thing, and I was real. I’m like, I am responsible for how I feel. I could let this information of what hasn’t happened yet, but what could happen affect my amazing trip, or I could just wait and see what happens. And so it we are responsible. It was a fun game. My brain.

Brad Crowell 36:36
Yeah, it’s also really hard, because it’s, you know, it’s much easier to just let your emotions fly with that stuff. And I do think it’s important to feel the feels. You know, you have to process and feel things, but also, especially if it’s like, consistent, there comes a point where we’re like, okay.

Lesley Logan 36:52
I think feeling the feelings is responsible, being responsible for them, but actually acknowledging especially good or bad. Why am I feeling this way? Why is it bringing this emotion up in me? Why? Like, why? Because it might have nothing to do with the person it might have, like, Dr. Kelly Bender, the second time she came on, she’s like, you know, feel your feelings, but don’t try to find a reason around them. But like, take responsibility. Because oftentimes we we can go through it and we go, we take the responsibility and go, oh, wait a minute. I’m worried about X, Y and Z happening. That’s what’s actually that has that actually, if I take it apart, then it actually takes the power away, and then I can go, okay, but oh, I feel this way, because actually, my last relationship, X, Y and Z happened, and that’s why, okay, well, it’s not that person’s fault then for what they did, because they didn’t know they were setting off this feeling in you based on your past history. So then you can actually go and take ownership around that. And I think that’s, by the way, something we should all be doing, because we’re always growing so whether it’s through therapy or journaling or whatever that is. But yeah, so anyways, somehow you’re responsible for your own healing. What? Not before it happened to you, but for your own healing. And then she said, other people can do all sorts of things for you, but it won’t fully hold unless you personally take that step forward. And this is very true, as a Pilates instructor, I can give people the keys to the kingdom. I have. You guys, you can learn Pilates from me for free on YouTube, the keys are there. But if you aren’t showing that it’s your responsibility to go do the learning and own the practice in your own body, you’re always wanting to be told what to do. It will not hold, it will not stay.

Brad Crowell 38:20
I mean, this is the same thing, you know, with with business coaching too. Like, the best way to describe this would be when we’re talking about the concept of people dating the same, quote, unquote, the same person over and over again, and they’re they’re not actively learning from it. When people come into our coaching program, we get to know them on a more intimate level, because we have a one on one call with them. We’re digging in really deep with them on their thing, whatever it is. And there have been so many times where we’re like, we give someone advice on whatever the thing is, and then they don’t do anything with that advice, and that’s 100% out of our control. But then they come back six months later, and we have almost a repeat conversation, and we’re like, whoa, whoa. We’ve already gone through all this stuff. Like, did you, did you listen to the the, you know, the replay of our coaching call before? Did you action any of the things that we talked about? And, you know, a lot of times it’s, it’s almost never the like, steps 123, of like, like, execution on, like, going to do a project, it’s almost always some kind of an emotional association that they have, yeah, with doing those things. It’s almost always like, I fear around this. So what it holds them back from doing it or committing to it, or whatever it is, you know, or the last time I did this, this happened and it was negative, you know, whatever. So it’s almost always like, you know, tied to an emotional thing, you know, because it’s, you know, it’s otherwise we would all just be going and doing the thing, and it’d be, you know, we would all be moving forward.

Lesley Logan 39:51
Yeah, there’s just we, ownership, my loves. And that means that, it means when people say she thinks you won’t even hold to because you’ve ownership of your feelings, like it starts to ecome a really great thing if you do that. Okay. She said, You must create time to self-reflect and self-connect. And I think this is really important after 25 days in Europe, because we weren’t in our normal routine. We didn’t have our dog, because there’s a lot of people around us, I didn’t have a lot of my self-reflection time. It was fucking cold a lot the couple of the first couple weeks. And so it wasn’t going for a long walk outside. I was just on a treadmill. And so then I was like, just realized, like, how I got a lot of my movement habits in and my good sleep habits in, and my good water, my good fueling, but not enough, my self-reflection time by myself. And I really missed that this morning. I didn’t even, I wouldn’t even sign up for yoga, because I’m like, Nope, this is what I’m feeling. So I have to do I’m not doing it. So, you know, so, um, so you have to create time for that. And she said, make a choice, to explore, to allow yourself to access feelings, if you’ve been taught to push them down. So if you are you know someone who’s like was in a family where no one talked about it, it’s time to get exploratory, to get curious, and because you must discover who you are and what you stand for. I think that’s really important. So I don’t know, Inna was great. I really, oh, she has some she has so many courses on so many things.

Brad Crowell 41:07
Lots of resources.

Lesley Logan 41:08
So go check her resources. She’s got a ton of free resources, like, go check them out.

Brad Crowell 41:12
Yeah, take a look at the show notes.

Lesley Logan 41:13
Yes, we have all of it there. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 41:16
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 41:17
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Brad Crowell 41:56
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 41:57
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