What Lifts You Up?

Ep. 84 with Lesley & Brad

“Surround yourself with people who lift you up.”

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A sunshine filled conversation with LL and Brad, chatting about everything from Brad’s cactuses to finding the people that make lift your soul.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Brad’s cactuses show
  • Finding the things that create alignment for you
  • Pursuing excellence through using your gifts
  • What to do when the elevator breaks down

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Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.


Lesley Logan 0:46
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the fabulous convo I had with Brittaney Delsarte Chatman in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us. (Brad: Come back and join us.) Alright, Erika Quest and LL that’s me are like about to just like go on tour but at home.

Brad Crowell 1:11
I was like, “Are you?” (Lesley: No) I got really excited. (Lesley: So, I…) And look, “Really? Wow!”

Lesley Logan 1:14
I know. I know. Well… (Brad: Tell me more.) Someday, I mean, so we we have stage names. She is awareness. And I am Lady Gaga. (Brad: Oh, yes.) And we’re gonna go on tour. But actually, every year since last year, so this is our second one, we’ve decided to make an annual thing. We created a month long program that is called The WeLLthy Mindset. So with Erika, LL, so WeLLthy – W e L L t h y. I’ve already sweet about that. I think it’s really creative. And I mean, we’re real…

Brad Crowell 1:44
Me too, Babe. I think it’s so creative. (Lesley: I’m really proud of it. So,) I’m really proud of you. (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan 1:46
So last year, we did it and it was super awesome. We had almost 50 people in a group for four weeks. (Brad: Yeah) And this year we’re …

Brad Crowell 1:54
It was, it was impactful. We got, I got, I heard the feedback from people, they were really fired up about it.

Lesley Logan 1:59
I know so that we’re doing another one. It’s From Failure to Flow. So we’ve (Brad: Cool) got four pillars on that one, which is like character, construct, um … courage and consistency. So it’s you know, how about a consistency and so what happens is like, each week, one of us teaches a movement practice around that and the other one teaches a business thing around it and so it is really about like moving your body, shifting your mindset and growing your business all in four weeks and so we’re doing that you can go to levelupmvmt.com for that. And also but before that (Brad: Before that.) before, but before we can go from failure to flow, I’m I am going to appear on Level Up MVMT for the first time. (Brad: Oh, cool.) I have a ClasterMind. (Brad: Oh, yes, you do.) I mean, obviously if we have Wellthy spelled with two l’s, no “a” then we have, we have to have a ClasterMind.

Brad Crowell 2:52
And that, that is two l’s, too. (Lesley: I don’t know. I think it’s …) C l l a s t e… (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan 2:58
Well, no, no, no. She does ClasterMind with other people. This is my first time. It’s a my talk less teach more workshops. So it’s basically really helping, it’s for teachers to help their like their themselves and their clients have more autonomy in the method and also like, ditching burnout. I think a lot of times people are talking too much when they teach. And then we wonder why clients are not paying attention to what we said. (Lesley laughs) Because you’re talking too much. So anyways, both those things can be found on levelupmvmt, which is mvmt.com. The ClasterMind is on the 27th of March, and then The Wellthy Mindset will be in April. If you’re curious about the other Wellthy Mindset, you can actually buy that as an evergreen product. The …

Brad Crowell 3:42
The first one (Lesley: Yeah) from last year. And what was that one?

Lesley Logan 3:46
We did, you know, it was a year ago. So, I’m being put on the spot. (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Oops.) But I we actually did a lot on imposter syndrome and your money mindset niche, finding your niche and and it was just a really, really cool four weeks where we got these women from all over the world to truly own their business. And one woman took action right away as soon as we said things and she got like articles, clients like it was really awesome. So you know, these are these are very much actionable steps that we’re giving people in these things. And so yeah, you can get that one on the, on the Level Up MVMT already.

Brad Crowell 4:30
Yeah, so I just pulled it up – Stay accountable and your movement and Pilates practice. Discover, determined and define, deliver your movement and business goals. And then measure and mobilize your mindset.

Lesley Logan 4:40
Yeah, yeah, I know we are … (Brad: That was the one.) We love alliteration.

Brad Crowell 4:44
Ah. I couldn’t tell. (Lesley and Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan 4:47
Anyways, Erika Quest is amazing. And I’m so excited to be over at Level Up MVMT on March 27. And then also for The Wellthy Mindset to start to really spend some time in a really awesome container with some epic people. (Brad: Yeah) Okay, so here’s the deal.

Brad Crowell 5:02
You get to ask this question.

Lesley Logan 5:04
I know. Um, I’ve been stalling on asking those questions but (Brad laughs) we haven’t getting sent. We, I mean, me, but therefore, Brad, so people are DMing me to show these things to Brad. And it’s like, TikTok videos about this guy like who’s got his plants like, “This is Julie, this is Anna.” And then there was another one where people are naming stuff. Oh, a woman has a cactus named Alloy and …

Brad Crowell 5:27
Oh, and guess who sent me that? (Lesley: Who?) Erika Quest.

Lesley Logan 5:31
Erika Quest. (Brad laughs) Yes. And so funny. That so funny …

Brad Crowell 5:35
I just watched it this morning. (Lesley: Yeah) It’s really hilarious.

Lesley Logan 5:38
That one Alloy has a unicorn and a house in this whole thing. (Brad: Yeah) And so …

Brad Crowell 5:41
He’s got like a vacation trailer everything.

Lesley Logan 5:44
Yeah. So basically, after I got the TikTok with the guy who names the succulents, they asked me, “Does Brad name his cactuses?” So Brad, why don’t you give people an update on your cactus garden? (Brad laughs)

Brad Crowell 5:58
Yeah, so this is Brad’s cactus show. (Lesley: wooot) I’m so excited. We have planted three cuttings of of a Saguaro, an Argentine Saguaro that fell over in our neighborhood. And we had to cure them for like months before putting them in the ground. And they are now settled in the ground, settling them in the ground took a week. It was like a whole process. Every day I was out there with like, the right tool and like I’m effectively sifting the dirt so that they don’t get blown over and the wind because, you know, there’s no braces on them or anything, (Lesley: No) you know,

Lesley Logan 6:33
And also, like, not even a week later, we had like, 45 miles an hour wind … It was insane.

Brad Crowell 6:37
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I had, you know, batten down the hatches as it were. But (Lesley: They stayed up. They’re straight.) Yeah, they’re still there. And the …

Lesley Logan 6:49
When do we know if they’re doing anything, like when do we know if it’s working?

Brad Crowell 6:52
Yeah, yeah. (Lesley: We don’t know.) Yeah. (Lesley and Brad laughs) So apparently, the Argentine Saguaros can grow up to 12 inches a year, so they won’t put down roots. We’re not allowed to even water them until like June. (Lesley: What?) Yeah, no, they go in the ground and then you don’t water them for like another four months.

Lesley Logan 7:12
How do cactuses live? (Brad laughs) I don’t understand. I don’t understand, I thought they’re like cucumbers. And then I need to drink more water to be a cucumber. Anyways, okay.

Brad Crowell 7:21
So so then then basically, we’ll be able to start watering it, the summer, them this summer, and and then we will really start to see you know, it should be relatively dramatic within a year. We’re gonna go, “Holy cow, that’s clearly taller.”

Lesley Logan 7:38
So they’re either going to grow or they’re not going to grow and that how (Brad: Yeah) well, know. Apparently this… (Brad: Yeah) Okay. So anyway, stay tuned, but we’ve got three …

Brad Crowell 7:42
No, I have more news. (Lesley: Oh. Tell us more.) Yeah. Guess what? Our purple pancake cactus which you love the one out front by our mailbox? (Lesley: Yeah. The mailman almost kicked it over.) Has like six little buds on it right now.

Lesley Logan 7:58
Oh cuz, oh my gosh, you guys.

Brad Crowell 7:59
It’s about some like, “boom.”

Lesley Logan 8:01
Okay, you guys. We are like, we are like days away from springtime, real spring. We’re in third winter (Brad: Yeah) here in Las Vegas. Well as a time of this recording, but we’re probably it currently as you listens in springtime. So watch my stories, because I’m going to be putting up pictures of our cactus flowers all day every day, because they only like bloom for a little bit. And then they stopped but like, I’m really excited for this purple pancake because I love the purple pancake …

Brad Crowell 8:29
Yeah, it’s really beautiful. And we have a beaver tail in the backyard that’s also growing, which is also purple and green. That one’s really fun. (Lesley: Yeah) And then …

Lesley Logan 8:37
Oh my cupcake is growing.

Brad Crowell 8:39
Yeah, the cupcake is getting larger.

Lesley Logan 8:41
She’s got little things. I think she’s gonna have some babies on me. I’m really excited about her.

Brad Crowell 8:45
Yeah, and then we have we have an unidentified five foot tall cactus. It’s now five and a half foot tall. I don’t know what kind of column cactus it is. It’s like could be an apple cactus, but I don’t think it is. It’s you (Lesley: What?) know… Yeah. (Lesley: You don’t know what is this cactus is?) It’s not quite a pipe organ cactus. No, I can’t figure out what it is. Anyway, that one has four, 1 2 3 4, 5 new arms are growing on it. So, (Lesley: Yeah) y’all are gonna see them if you’re here with us on the the retreats that we do. (Lesley: Yeah) Profitable Pilates retreat. (Lesley: Yeah) And I’m very excited. And I keep chasing the dogs. They decided that the cactus garden is the obstacle course. (Lesley: Yeah) And they literally run through them. I’m like, “This is, a) you’re gonna mess up my cactus, b) I’m gonna have to take a thousand fucking needles out of you. Stop running through the cactus.” (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan 9:36
Oh I found a needle in August’s head, remember? I was like (Brad: Oh, yeah, right …) Yeah. (Brad: Oh yeah) I was like, “Oh, my God. I just pulled the cactus thing.” Anyways. (Brad: Okay) Alright, well, thank you for asking …

Brad Crowell 9:45
Alright, well, I could talk about them forever. Thanks for asking.

Lesley Logan 9:48
If your cactus, if you would like to have a segment of the show to be about cactuses. Let us know.

Brad Crowell 9:53
Yeah, I just bought some century plants. Ooohh.

Lesley Logan 9:56
Oh my goodness. (Brad: Trouble, trouble.) Okay, well, let’s talk about Brittaney Chatman. (Brad laughs)

Brad Crowell 10:01
Okay. All right. Now let’s talk about Brittaney Chatman. A girl full of sunshine, spirit and soul. Brittaney Chatman has a wealth of knowledge in journalism and marketing to now has and she shifted into producing her own music. She is awesome blossom, constantly evolving and bringing her own dreams to fruition. So, I definitely love the two of you kick in these different ideas back and forth. (Lesley: Yeah) You were digging a lot of of gold out of what the two of you were chatting about.

Lesley Logan 10:37
Just call me a gold digger over here. (Brad and Lesley laughs) Well, here’s what I love that she said, “When you are happy that means you’re you’re doing things that are in alignment with you.” And I actually think like … my dog is letting me know that he is over this. So sorry. But I actually back to what is happiness? I’m in alignment August. I don’t know about you. (Brad laughs) Um, I actually, I think a lot. I mean, we had Rob Mack on about, about like happiness islands and finding where your happiness is. And I actually think that it’s she’s 100% on point, like, when you are happy, you are doing something that’s alignment with you. And so if you’re unhappy, it means you’re probably out of alignment. And so … (Brad: That’s episode three.) Yeah, so she enjoys the process of making a song and it’s healing for her. And so you know, you don’t have to be a singer songwriter, you could be a knitter, you could be a cactus gardener, you can like … (Brad: She actually described it as poetry.) Yeah. And so you know, it’s like, finding if we’re in the, we’re in this workshop called The Artist’s Way, right now. And like, one of the things to do is go in the artist’s states, if you don’t know, it’s like, making you happy. If you’re not feeling, you’re in alignment, it’s time to go do a bunch of different things and see what happens. (Brad: Yeah) And so you know, she took action. And we as we know, it’s the antidote to fear and something blossomed from it. (Brad: Oh, yeah.) I’m really proud of myself for figuring out. (Lesley and Brad laughs) What did you love?

Brad Crowell 12:08
Alright, so she said, she said, “Use your gifts to fulfill you first to pursue excellence.” (Lesley: Mm-hmm) And I mean, that’s like, totally everything we talked about with OPC, you know, prioritizing yourself, making sure you get your own practice in. And when you fill your cup first, then you can actually be there to fill others. And I thought that was interesting that she talked about using your gifts to fulfill you first. You know, as, obviously, we talked about it with movement. You know, but you know, I think it forces you to know yourself, if you’re using your gifts to fulfill yourself first. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) You know, and I think it kind of goes hand in hand with the, you know, if you’re happy, then you’re doing something that’s in alignment with you, like, you know, when you are, when you identify your gifts, they come easy. You know, (Lesley: Yeah) that stuff comes easy to you.

Lesley Logan 13:06
Well, it makes me think of like, when you looked at StrengthsFinder 2.0 and you took a quiz. And then you like saw, “These are your strengths.” And you’re like, “Oh, (Brad: Right) those are the things that I actually do over here and over here.” And then all of a sudden, you stop seeing some of those things as like, weird things that you did or like, “Why am I doing this?” And you start realize, like, “Oh, this is like the thing that like, I’m actually really good at.” And like, then other things flow to you.

Brad Crowell 13:29
Yeah. Well, the, I think that I knew that I was good at them. But I didn’t know what they were. I didn’t know what I was doing. Right? So like, I knew that I was like, the guy who organized the band. And like, you know, I don’t know, we booked gigs. And we played and got people there or whatever. But I didn’t know that I was strategic. (Lesley: Yeah) Right? So like, I didn’t know that that was actually my my skill. And that skill of strategy could be applied outside of a band setting. You know, and so actually, I think this is a great pivot into into promoting StrengthsFinder 2.0. (Lesley: I know.) Go figure out your top five strengths because all of a sudden, everything that you’re doing in your life today right now and and you know that you’re you kind of innately know, “Yeah, this is who I am. I’m good at this thing.” But you can’t like tangibly put you know a name to it. Changed my life when I could do that.

Lesley Logan 14:26
Yeah, yeah. So I agree and I think that’s going to kind of help you help help, anyone listening to this who does that help you really start to understand yourself more and like the more we know ourselves, the easier it is to do things and Be It Till You See It that just like gonna put that out there. (Brad: Absolutely) Okay, BE IT action items, Babe. Let’s go. All yours.

Brad Crowell 14:44
All right. Let’s talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action was can we take away from your convo? She said, Brittaney said, “If the elevator stops, just get off and take the stairs.” And …

Lesley Logan 14:45
Yeah. I love it. (Brad: I thought it was pretty …) It’s like, why wait for an elevator to get fixed? You know what I mean? Like, people do this all the time. They’re like, “Oh, well, when this gets fixed, then I’ll do it.” It’s like, well, you could just like …

Brad Crowell 15:09
Or “When this happens then I’ll do it,” (Lesley: Mm-hmm) or “I’m waiting for someone else,” (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) you know. And yeah, I mean, you know, the, I think that it’s a fascinating idea of stick to itness. You know, like, like the idea of tenacity, you know, being willing to, (Lesley: Well …) well, what we were just talking about this in our last recap of like, what is the fear? What is the hurdle and getting up over that hurdle? And this ties directly into that were (Lesley: Totally) you know, if the elevator stops, and this is like your path, you’re you’re riding the elevator, and then like, “It only hit like, floor 15. But we’re supposed to go to floor 30. Now, what am I going to do?” You got to come up with another way to … to get the floor 30. You could still take the stairs.

Lesley Logan 15:57
Yeah, like Everything is Figureoutable. It’s Marie Forleo. But like, truly it is and, and so it’s okay to give up on the the original plan to get to the place, but (Brad: Yeah) don’t give up on the dream that you, that puts you on that journey anyways. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. (Brads: Love that. What about you?) Well, of course, surround yourself with the people to lift you up. So (Brad: Yeah) here’s the deal, y’all. (Brad: Y’all) You gotta stop like, you got to be mindful of who you spend your time with. Like, I was at Tim Ferriss who said this or does he just keep quoting it? “You are the average of the five of the people you hang out with the most.” Right? So if you hang out with a bunch of negative people you’re of course going to be on the negative side. Right? So really, like think about lifting yourself up with other people. And I asked this question, I think it was on a podcast, it’s coming out. But like, literally, it’s like, “Well, what if you only have negative people in your life? Like what do you do?” And it’s like, (Brad: Right) listen to podcasts that lift you up. (Brad: Yeah) Consume books that lift you up. So surround yourself with like, was it Hazel Ortega, who said that like J. Lo was one of her mentors. Like just like, (Brad: Right) “I don’t actually have…” (Brad: She doesn’t know J. Lo.) She doesn’t know J. Lo, but like she … (Brad: “She’s my mentor.”) She’s her mentor. So like, like, literally find a way to surround yourself with people who lift you up whether those people know that you are using them or not. (Brad: Yeah) Because it’s going to truly make it easier for you to do things in your world.

Brad Crowell 17:26

Lesley Logan 17:26
Well, I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 17:28
And, I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 17:29
Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful you are here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending us a DM to the pod on Instagram. Share this episode with friends like we are truly wanting to get into more people’s ears because the more people are being it until they see it, the easier it is for all of us (Brad: Yeah) to be it till we see it.

Brad Crowell 17:45
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.

Lesley Logan
Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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