The Value of Allowing

Others to Sow Into

Your Life

Ep. 332 with Lesley & Brad

“Every time you’re trying to extend to a new level, you’re going to hit blockages.”

Lesley Logan

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Show Notes

In this insightful episode, hosts Lesley and Brad engage in a meaningful conversation, unpacking the profound wisdom shared by empowerment coach Diana Min. Delving into the transformative power of allowing others to sow into your life, they explore topics ranging from overcoming generational trauma to the challenges associated with reaching new levels. Tune in to discover the value of intentional relationships and seeking support and the power of Ayahuasca in self-discovery.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • How to face challenges and blockages when reaching new levels.
  • How upbringing and generational trauma shape belief systems.
  • The transformative power of self-discovery in Ayahuasca experiences.
  • The importance of seeking support from those who can contribute to your success.
  • The concept of reciprocating and allowing people to sow into your life.

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Brad Crowell: I think that life is more fun when you have equals with you going through the journey together. But it’s still important to have someone ahead of you who is the plus who can sow into your life and provide guidance. Hopefully, they’re not dicks about it because if they are, they’re the wrong person for you.


Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.


Lesley Logan 0:58
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the holistic convo I had with Diana Min in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one or listen to this one then listen to that one. Do you know what? You do you. I had someone tell me they were bingeing out they were 70 episodes in to the Be It Pod. And if you’re

Brad Crowell 1:18
Sorry, did you say 70?

Lesley Logan 1:20
Yeah, they listened to 70 in a row.

Brad Crowell 1:22
Well, they beat me.

Lesley Logan 1:22
And they are getting so many. So shout out to you for like I’m obsessed with you already.

Brad Crowell 1:31
Yeah, welcome to the fam. This is amazing.

Lesley Logan 1:33
Yeah, yeah, so anyways, you can do that. And maybe you’re doing that. And that’s how you’re here.

Brad Crowell 1:38
You could. You could go listen to 70 episodes before you listen to this one, by the way.

Lesley Logan 1:42
I mean, I talk fast, but I listen to me on 1.5 speed. So, you know.

Brad Crowell 1:46
Yeah, binge out.

Lesley Logan 1:47
So today is February 22nd 2024. And it’s National Margarita Day. It’s also like 2-2-2 so that might be your angel number. Shout out Happy Birthday to Cindy. I got a few friends whose babies are due on this day. Like I hope everyone who wanted to get married today was able to make it happen.

Brad Crowell 2:04
Sorry, what? Who has…? Angels have numbers?

Lesley Logan 2:07
Oh, you don’t know about angel number?

Brad Crowell 2:09
Do I get an angel number?

Lesley Logan 2:10
Yeah, you can just get one.

Brad Crowell 2:11
Where do you get it?

Lesley Logan 2:12
I’m pretty sure you could just… I don’t know.

Brad Crowell 2:13
Do you order that? Is it, like, from Michael’s?

Lesley Logan 2:15
It’s from House of Intuition. No, no, it’s not like angels but it’s like your angel number. So you could be like 3-3-3-7-7-7 You know, like some people. That’s why some people price things like 33.33 or like 22 It’s all angels. Yeah.

Brad Crowell 2:29
They’re pricing things based on angels.

Lesley Logan 2:30
Their angel numbers. Yeah. Which is a whole you know,

Brad Crowell 2:34
I think that’s like a triple woo, right there.

Lesley Logan 2:36
That’s triple woo. That’s triple woo, so but back to it being 2-2-2. Perhaps your angel number or perhaps you celebrate like me. National Margarita Day. So every February 22nd we come together for National Margarita Day to pay homage to our favorite celebratory cocktail, the margarita, which is triple sec, tequila, and lime juice which was created in 1938 in Mexico and it’s widely considered the official drink of having fun. And did you know you are going to get a history lesson on margarita today? You did not. But you are getting one right now and here’s how I recommend it. I recommend going light on the triple sec. I recommend doing none to be completely honest. And doing a margarita, so it’s called skinny style which like, like, I really don’t know that I love that word anymore but like it’s a margarita that doesn’t have the triple sec, and less sugar, add the spice. Truly you cannot and if you want an even easier margarita to make, which I always obsessed with this restaurant in Seoul Korea because they do it the way that I like to do it which is regular kombucha Blanco tequila, or you could do a a Cristalino and a squirt of lime. You will make yourself a kombucha margarita, a kombucha-rita and I love that too. So anyways, that’s my recipes for a margarita. So you also didn’t ask for but you’re getting anyways. Brad’s typing, so I’m sure you can all hear that.

Lesley Logan 3:54
So what’s coming up right now, we are going to do a summer camp for OPC. So my Pilates lovers of all levels, that is going to happen this summer, it’s going to be in June, you want to go to We’re actually going to have a lot of different teachers doing workshops and work out and you’ll be able to buy into each one based on the equipment you have access to which is really, really exciting. So And then also what’s coming up even closer is a March Matness and

Brad Crowell 4:23
March Matness.

Lesley Logan 4:24
Yeah, so not madness. But I know I’m from Vegas, and you’re like, oh, she’s betting, you bet I am but

Brad Crowell 4:29
You bet your sweet mat, I am.

Lesley Logan 4:35
You bet your sweet mat, I’m betting. I’m gonna bet on the cutest uniforms. So because that typically is how things went, right? So um, so no, March Matness is the nerdy way of doing your mat work. And I always teach with the order. So March Matness is something I’m like, I do this all the time, but I know that you might not and so we’re actually doing a free mat accountability challenge in honor of March Matness and you can go to to sign yourself up, you can set yourself ahead of time it’s free. You’ll get accountability emails. Each week, we’ll send you a different length of mat class. You can build up your stamina, build up your endurance, and nerd out with us.

Brad Crowell 5:13
Do it.

Lesley Logan 5:14
Do it.

Brad Crowell 5:14
Also, it’s free.

Lesley Logan 5:16
Did we say it’s free? It’s because it’s free.

Lesley Logan 5:19
It’s free.

Lesley Logan 5:19
Yeah. And then this says OPC TBD. So that’s fun. Oh, here we go.

Brad Crowell 5:25
Oh no, read the rest of the sentence. To be determined exactly when but the presale for the Barrels Flashcards Deck is coming up. You can get on the waitlist at all one word flashcardwaitlist.

Lesley Logan 5:40
All one word.

Brad Crowell 5:41
Why would one do that, Lesley?

Lesley Logan 5:43
So if you love the spine corrector or the ladder barrel, you want to nerd out about these things. I’m doing a whole deck with those plus the C shape where the small barrel will be in them. And I promise you on all those. And so we already have I just wrote an email to those who are on the waitlist. You got it already. But we have set the date of the photoshoot which is a humongous outlier in the project, which means we are moving even more forward and closer to presale dates, because the photoshoot was dependent on the photographer, and my schedule and Brad’s schedule lining up because guess who’s not driving herself to L.A. by herself? That’s me.

Brad Crowell 6:19
I’m happy to drive both of us to L.A. on your behalf.

Lesley Logan 6:23
Yes, thank you. So it’s coming up. Probably going to be in the May-ish. We’ve we’ve now bumped April off. It’s definitely in the May-ish area maybe June. But anyways, it’s coming up and you want to be on the waitlist because if you’re not on the waitlist, you will not hear about it because we will not promote it publicly.

Brad Crowell 6:23
Yeah, so TLDR those on the waitlist, get the hookup on the presale price.

Lesley Logan 6:46
And that’s the best price will ever be (inaudible) Argentina and Pilates lovers who want a discount on the things because it’s not happening. The truth is eLevate round four has kicked off, and it’s a great group. They’re amazing. They’re so amazing. And I have so many people ask about a mentorship program. This is for teachers, and it is quite the investment. So I want you to hear about now because I want you to get on the waitlist now because I want you to be able to save up and be able to sign up. And the truth is we’re probably going to start opening up applications earlier because we’ve so many people who are interested in 2025. I want to make sure that we can hold space for people, create the right groups, and you can save the date and start you know saving up your investment for that. But you so I don’t know where you go. But it’s

Brad Crowell 7:39
Yeah, if you’re interested. Just go to And if you’re like, oh, wait, I missed this. How do I get involved now? Well, just let us know. Just chat to us. We’ll figure it out. But basically, we’re gonna be booking into next year already. And then I am super fired up. We only have a few spots left.

Lesley Logan 8:03
Literally only a few spots left. Literally.

Brad Crowell 8:06
In our Cambodia trip this year. It’s going to be an epic group.

Lesley Logan 8:12
It almost sold out just from the people on the waitlist.

Brad Crowell 8:14
Yep. That’s true. So that’s fucking amazing. We’re so excited. We can’t even tell you how fired up this week this trip, we’re gonna make some really fun changes to some of the activities that we’ve done in the past. We’re introducing some new cool stuff because Lesley and I had just to hang out for like a week, last time and do some extra cool stuff that we haven’t done ever. So we thought that was so rad, we decided you know what our next retreat has to incorporate this stuff ourselves. What you know, and you guys get to experience it. So it’s going to be super, super fun. This year we’re gonna be there October 6th through the 11th 2024. If you are interested go to, All the information is right there and yeah, yeah, all the things so, join us.

Lesley Logan 9:04
Okay, that we have a lot going on. Obviously. There’s something for you. There’s something for you before we talk about Diana is there an audience question?

Brad Crowell 9:11
Oh, there’s sure is, Lesley. This is from Jessica on Instagram. Hey, LL, why did you remove your beautiful, luscious, glorious, gorgeous, lash extensions?

Lesley Logan 9:32
So I, yes, Jessica sent this in and I had a few people send this in. So clearly, I didn’t prepare you all and talk about it enough. Because what has happening is I’m giving mascara reviews lately. That’s my new my new obsession is mascara reviews. So the the thing is, I got lash extensions in L.A. and I loved them and the girl who did them was like so good at making them really look great and even when they kind of like thinned out and fell out, they still looked really natural. And I loved it. And then I moved to Vegas. And I tried really hard, I tried several people. And I just felt like every time I saw myself from the side, I could see the lash extensions. And I hated that. I hated how fake it looked. It just didn’t make me excited. And then we were doing these traveling trips, like month long. And then it was even harder for me to find anyone to fill in the gaps that were happening because the way they were falling out just wasn’t looking natural. And I was just just driving me nuts, couldn’t find anyone good enough anywhere. They’re all nice and lovely. Just not good enough. And so I got to a point where I was like, fuck it, not doing it anymore. Maybe I’ll get my nails done instead. So I also didn’t like to drive there. I didn’t like the, it took an hour, all the things just like got to a point where I was like, I am going to take $250 a month and give it to myself and go get my nails done. And so the harsh thing was though, you guys, holy frickin moly. I looked like a mole rat. Like I don’t even know like a little pink mice.

Brad Crowell 11:04
Never, babe, never.

Lesley Logan 11:05
No, I literally took them off. And I come out.

Brad Crowell 11:09
You’re too beautiful to ever be considered a mole rat.

Lesley Logan 11:11
Let me tell you what, Brad, so I walked into my friend’s bathroom where I take my lashes off with olive oil myself. And I walk out and Brad goes, whoa, you look really different. And I was like, thank you.

Brad Crowell 11:26
I thought about saying no one’s gonna notice love. Nobody.

Lesley Logan 11:29
No, all I know is that like, you don’t realize how pink or some people are blue, your eyelids are until you don’t have lashes to block and cover it. And I had to teach the next day. And of course, the first thing the first person said to me is like, where’s your lashes? And I was like, you know, when you’re like, no one’s gonna notice, no one’s going to notice and then the first person says that and you’re like, yeah, so everyone can tell that I was looking like a mole rat. So I cried a little bit in the car.

Brad Crowell 11:58
A mole rat is not a thing. There’s not an animal called a mole rat.

Lesley Logan 12:02
Well, I couldn’t say if I was a mole or a rat. So it’s like pink eyelids like a pink lab mouse. Anyways, so then I went to we got to Texas and you guys I was the first appointment on New Year’s Day in a Sephora in the suburbs. This poor girl read my thing and said

Brad Crowell 12:20
Oh, I’m sorry. It is a thing. It’s called a naked mole rat.

Lesley Logan 12:23
Oh, does that look like me?

Brad Crowell 12:26
It’s, they can’t fucking see. I forgot about them. No, they’re like underground animals. And they just, they have the big two front teeth.

Lesley Logan 12:37
Yeah, so except for I have a big nose and look at them. No eyelashes. Look at these. No eyelashes. No, they’re just nothing but mouth and teeth.

Brad Crowell 12:46
It’s a mouse-size rodent. They’re used in biomedical research. And then they.

Lesley Logan 12:53
Wonder why? Because they have no eyelashes. They have no eyelashes. So anyways, back to me. So you guys because I went to be it till you see it because I was like I refuse to like, feel ugly. So I went to I went to the Sephora. It was Monday morning on New Year’s Day. 10 am. And I said you need to help me with my eyes because I don’t feel pretty anymore. And this poor girl was like, holy fuck this is my first appointment for the new year. I was just like someone’s going to have to help me I don’t look pretty. So she taught me how to make my eyes not look like a mole rat and or a pink lab mouse. And it took over five weeks before I could put mascara on anything. There was nothing but mascara on. I’ve since tried four mascaras and I’m gonna tell you right now I like the one from ILIA volumizing. But I like the mascara from Hourglass. So here’s what I’m thinking. I’m thinking I’m gonna try to take the one from ILIA and shove it in the Hourglass. I don’t know. I don’t know. But I’ve also at the point that you’re hearing this. I have booked another Sephora thing because I’m now at the point where I can learn how to do eyeliner. And what I’m completely became aware of is that I have no idea how to do eyeliner because I haven’t had to do eye makeup in seven years, six years. And so like it’s not it’s not easy and also have one eye that’s a different shape than the other and you have to do your eyeliner a different way.

Brad Crowell 14:18
Just stick with me. I’ll teach you.

Lesley Logan 14:19
So Jessica, I got rid of them because I wasn’t liking them. And now here I am spending $250 on Sephora appointments and mascara, trying to figure out how to make myself look pretty again. So thank you.

Brad Crowell 14:35
Did you know that mole rats have wars? They literally have mole rat wars. That’s a whole thing. They usually break out if an intruder is detected in the colony, if another female is challenging the queen or if a colony is in the process of establishing a new queen after the previous one dies, and they are bloody skirmishes or aggressive encounters in the town.

Lesley Logan 15:00
Oh my gosh. This one looks scary. Oh, I’m having nightmares. Oh my gosh I’m having nightmares. Well let’s go talk about Diana Min.

Brad Crowell 15:14
Okay, now let’s talk about Diana Min. Diana is a dynamic empowerment coach and spiritual mentor, her journey from a troubled past to a spiritual coach is both moving and inspiring with a focus on holistic healing and personal growth. Diana helps individuals navigate their paths to self-discovery, to work through their inner blockages and step into the power and live the life they’re destined to live.

Lesley Logan 15:42
Yeah, and it’s really cool, because we get to talk about things I think are really great reminders. And at anytime, like I think this that what she was saying is just like a really good reminder, because she was talking about new levels, new devils. And she also brought up our favorite thing, which is like life happens, or as we like to say, from Tori Gordon life, life.

Brad Crowell 15:58
Life, lifes.

Lesley Logan 15:59
Life, lifes. Need a bumper sticker. Anyways, she brought up like, every time you’re trying to expand it to a new level, you’re going to hit blockages of either your inner self or your belief systems or those things that you’ve inherited from your ancestor.

Brad Crowell 16:12
Yeah, there’s a couple of really interesting points here. One thing that I that I found interesting about this, she said, a lot of the clients that she works with, will come to her and say, I don’t even know where I pick this thing up. Right? And she’s like, well, you didn’t necessarily pick it up. It could have been built in.

Lesley Logan 16:34
Yeah, no. And also, it’s built-in because of like, however your parents were raised, and what they are raised in, those belief systems get poured into you as you’re a little baby. And like, you know, like, it just becomes something that’s normal for you.

Brad Crowell 16:46
Or generational traumatic, like trauma, like, you know, like, like, we’re watching a really interesting show right now about the survivors from the Holocaust and their kids. You know, and how, it’s just fascinating to understand the cultural implications of that.

Lesley Logan 17:08
Yeah, no, it’s it’s really, I mean, it is very interesting. Also, I mean, we could talk about like, even in our own families is how things are not talked about or talked about that is stuff that you carry on. And if you don’t, if you’re not sure what you don’t talk about things in your family, then it makes it really hard to talk about things in your own life. And even though no one told you, you don’t talk about pain, you don’t talk about pain. So like it becomes the things you pick up. So anyways, she, she, she brought up new level, new devils, and I want to talk about that a little bit. And also like the, as you expand to new levels, you hit a blockage, of course you are, it’s the the easiest way to describe this is that if you’re going to the gym, and you pick up, you go to the gym for the first time, you cannot pick up like a 20 pound dumbbell to do bicep curls 15 times, it’s not gonna happen. So you’re gonna have this blockage of I can’t pick up that weight, and you work your way down to a weight that you can do. And then you’re going to get stronger, and then you’re going to be able to take that excess to another level. And then you hit another blockage because you have to build a strength and the coordination and the stamina. The same thing goes with your life. You’re, if you are if you’re like, okay, I’m this amazing person who loves myself, and I’m gonna go out and put myself out there, guess what, you’re gonna hit with rejection that you hadn’t hit before. And now you have to learn how to overcome rejection. It doesn’t mean you’re not worthy of stepping outside of your comfort zone, it just means that we have to be prepared for it and we’re gonna learn if you we’ve always used the eggs, the example of like video games, like you get to a new level and there’s a new bad guy and there’s a new boss and so so I think it’s the more you prepared for that, the easier it is for you to when those things happen come and it doesn’t mean you don’t have like a divine tantrum. That’s what I’m calling that I did yesterday, it’s a divine tantrum.

Lesley Logan 17:29
So glad I was here to experience the divine.

Lesley Logan 19:03
But you, but like, you kind of have to get really clear on like, what’s frustrating you so that you can take on the next level in your life.

Brad Crowell 19:12
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, what I found really interesting was, about this, too, was one of the, one of the things that she was challenged with was her personal relationship with her ex. She said that she was with someone who was convinced that she basically needed to get on meds. And she was like, no, I have borderline personality disorder, which is a learned behavior. Right? And there are symptoms. I’m familiar with this from my past experiences in you know, with my relationships, but there can be symptoms like that stem from BPD, like depression or whatever, and you can be treating those things with meds. But many times those are symptoms of the BPD. It’s not the root, right? And I found it really interesting. She didn’t really go into it. But she basically said, yeah, you know, the BPD. And these other things were a response to the traumatic childhood that she had, where she had a, you know, an ego-maniacal mom who treated her like shit and abused her, emotionally abused her, her whole life. Right? And so consequently, she was dealing with all this baggage and it took a really long time to work through. I you know, I find that really encouraging to know that that’s possible to come out the other side. She also said something that I found really interesting too, said she’s done Ayahuasca 200 plus times.

Lesley Logan 20:57
I have, good for her, it’s a lot for me, I am afraid to do it one time because the vomiting but I really can’t do it.

Brad Crowell 21:04
Yeah, but I feel like, I feel like

Lesley Logan 21:08
I was, I already sound like someone is stabbing me to death when I vomit a little bit.

Brad Crowell 21:17
I could attest, the dogs were really worried.

Lesley Logan 21:22
No one would be, like, people be like, can I have my money back because someone got murdered during my Ayahuasca.

Brad Crowell 21:29
Honestly, I feel like you probably I would guess, and I’m not experienced. And I don’t know, I’ve never actually done Ayahuasca and I’ve not studied it to know what would happen with 200 times however, my my gut feeling is that the first at the beginning, when you’re first getting started doing something like that, you’re probably going to have a more visceral reaction than the 200th time. I would imagine.

Lesley Logan 21:58
I’m sure that’s very true.

Brad Crowell 21:59
You can ride the wave, as it were like, you’re not, probably, she’s not puking her guts out every single time at this point. Because I would also hope that, you know, Ayahuasca really can create an environment in which you can make self-mental discoveries, self-discoveries, and I would hope that the 200th time you’re not having like, like earth-shattering foundational change discoveries on time number 200. Because if you are like, there’s no hope for anybody. So.

Lesley Logan 22:28
I know, I know. I know. Well, I if you, if you, listeners, if you have done Ayahuasca more than once, will you let me know what the vomiting, like, how, does it get less? Does it get less? Anyways, our friend Michael, who’s been on the show several times, you guys love him.

Brad Crowell 22:43
And our friend Steven.

Lesley Logan 22:44
And our friend, Steven, Michael did it for the first time and he shared with us his journey. And I’ll leave it to his podcast to share all the details. But like, he, I just was like, I don’t know. he

Brad Crowell 22:59
He said, I did that. I’m good.

Lesley Logan 23:04
Yeah, he he learned a lot. Anyways, let’s move. Let’s move on. I think that’s amazing. But what else did you love?

Brad Crowell 23:09
I really loved when she started talking about moving forward in your life. And, you know, achieving the next step as it were in the journey. And for her, it was about seeing success begin to come together. And she specifically said, you can’t do this stuff alone. Right? You can’t do. You can’t. Nothing happens alone in this life. Like it is super, super rare that it’s one person who’s like completely isolated and picks themselves up and changes everything. Like that doesn’t really happen. Right? So she said, I certainly didn’t do this alone. I needed help. She actually said she also had a therapist. And she didn’t feel like she was making the progress that she expected, which is why she started to explore the things such as Ayahuasca, but she also sounded like she still has a therapist today. So she began to, you know, see the value in surrounding yourself with people who can be a sounding board or help you move forward along the path. Right? So people who have built something great, did not do it alone. It’s what she mentioned. And she said, the hardest thing is asking for support. But it’s key, right? And it’ll make you face, she said, it’ll make you face your shadows. Right? And I thought that was an interesting way of, you know, kind of characterizing your demons or whatever however you want to describe it. She called it her shadows. And she said that it’s important to allow people to sow into your life, that when you give someone, this is, this is twofold in my and Gaia’s opinion here. Yeah. It’s twofold. You know, you’re gonna give somebody power to sow into your life, to hold you accountable to value the opinion that they are sharing with you. But you’ve got to be intentional about whose opinion carries weight. Because if you let everybody’s opinion carry weight, then you’re going to create chaos in your in, you know, for yourself in your mind for you know, in your journey, but it’s important to allow some people to sow into you. Right?

Brad Crowell 23:10
Yeah, I mean it’s, it’s like how the world works. It’s like the it’s like we were, you know, we work with one of our coaches, we’ve had Rory on before, like, he’s like you give first and then what happens is you get so when you give, you’re sowing into someone else’s life and reciprocity is real. So like, if you are needing to be getting more of this, who can you go pour into? Because then it’s going to come to you. What you need is going to come to you. It doesn’t pass you. So I love that.

Brad Crowell 25:50
Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I think I think it’s interesting, right? Because there’s like, we’ve talked about this before about, like, leading people, having peers and being led. I don’t think that’s how we described it before. But, you know, the people who are behind you, the people who are even with you, the people who are ahead of you, you know.

Lesley Logan 26:10
Plus, minus, equal.

Brad Crowell 26:11
Plus, minus, equal, there we go. That’s what we talked about before. And I think, you know, it’s super important to, to have all three of those. You know?

Lesley Logan 26:22
Oh, essential. If you’re the smartest person in your room, you are in the wrong room.

Brad Crowell 26:26
Yep. Yeah. But also, you know, I mean, I think that life is more fun when you have equals with you going through the journey together. But it’s still important to have someone ahead of you who is the plus, who can sow into your life and provide guidance. Hopefully, they’re not dicks about it. Because if they are, they’re the wrong person for you, you know, but to have a sounding board.

Lesley Logan 26:47
Sometimes, you have to hire those people, guys.

Brad Crowell 26:48
Well, yes, actually, she said that the best thing she ever did was hire a coach.

Lesley Logan 26:52
Yeah, I mean, we hire our pluses. And then there’s some people who like, our pluses in our life in some areas, and we’re pluses in their life in other areas like that does happen. But like, we just got off a phone call with one of our equals. She texted us. This just happened and we like picked up the phone. Like talked her off the ledge on that thing. Share what we’re just going through and we’re gonna go wow, okay, we got this. Everyone’s got this. Here’s what like it’s, you gotta have those people. So I love it.

Brad Crowell 27:19
Yeah. All right. So finally, let’s talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Diana Min? She said find someone who is already doing what you’re doing or someone who you admire and follow their footsteps. She said most of them started one step at a time, just way long ago. And when you’re looking at a big picture, or this massive goal that you’ve created, it can be really intimidating. But when you break that down, and you’re making one step at a time, it allows it to not feel quite as overwhelming. I particularly like the the idea of finding someone who’s been where you’re at. Honestly, when I was in college, one of my professors, you know, I told him, I said, yeah, I just want to be the world’s greatest, undiscovered trombone player, and play in a hole in the wall bar in New York City for the rest of my life.

Lesley Logan 28:27
What kind of dream was that?

Brad Crowell 28:29
That was my dream. That’s literally why I went to Berkeley.

Lesley Logan 28:31
You just wanted to be so amazing that no one discover you, you’re gonna play in a hole in the wall.

Brad Crowell 28:37
No, I would play in all the cool places. But I would just play…

Lesley Logan 28:40
Like someone’s going to discover you? Like, no, no, never.

Brad Crowell 28:43
I wasn’t even trying to be discovered. I just wanted to play and be amazing. And and he said, hey, man, that’s really cool but do you know anybody doing that? And I was like, no. He’s like, well, I would imagine that they probably want more, the people who are in that position, I would say, why don’t you go sit in these clubs and start to get to know some of these people and ask them if they’re excited about it. And I thought, that’s not a bad idea. So that’s what I started doing, you know. And what I found is that most of them had far bigger ambitions than that. They certainly wouldn’t want to just, you know, get paid 50 bucks a night to play. They were looking for more and I found that interesting, but I do, now that’s my advice to anyone who’s like, oh, man, I want to go to med school because I want to be a plastic surgeon. I’m like, hey, before you even go to med school, find a plastic surgeon and say, hey, I am a really excited 18-year-old. I’m shopping for colleges right now. And I think I want to be a plastic surgeon. Could I shadow you in your office for a couple of weeks and just like, see how it works? See what you do?

Lesley Logan 30:06
Yeah. No, I love that advice. I mean, like, that’s the same thing. Like, for example, if I want to be on more podcasts, I think about the person who’s not the same as me, but similar, similar type of person. And when I look at what podcasts have they been on, and I can, like follow in that footsteps, right? Like you don’t, you don’t have to, you’re not not there’s very few unless you’re creating the next level of AI and you are on the cutting edge of technology, which if you are

Brad Crowell 30:39
Then you’re making something that no one’s ever done before.

Lesley Logan 30:41
Like, if you are and you’re listening to this podcast, hi, we should, how did you find this? But, from my research of this audience, almost every single one of you has a dream that does, it’s in existence right now, which means it’s absolutely possible and someone has done what you want to do. And so you can take one footstep and from the other, you can look what they’ve done and you can almost go okay, here is a path and then also with what my favorite takeaway was. first check with your body, is it a full body yes? So if you are kind of looking for the person that’s in front of you, like does that sound like the right because there’s probably, if you wanna be an actress, there are 50 amazing actors we could all name right now they all had a different journey all had a different one and you can figure out the full body yeses. And then she’s gonna want you, she said, you want to like having like the right spiritual healer, but you can do this with anything. You’re a life coach, a therapist, anything. So make sure your body says yes, look at testimonials, and then have a consult with them. Anyone you’re going to hire, you should have a consult with them. So you can, there are ways to get out of whatever you’re doing and get yourself to the next level with both of these Be It Action Items right here.

Brad Crowell 31:54
Pretty amazing.

Lesley Logan 31:55
Way to go. Diana, thank you for making that easy for us.

Brad Crowell 31:57
Love it.

Lesley Logan 31:58
I love you. Yeah.

Brad Crowell 32:02
Well, I love you, too.

Lesley Logan 32:05
Thanks, Diana for being on the show. All right, you guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life we want to know. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 32:11
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 32:12
And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 32:14
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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Brad Crowell
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