Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the abundant convo I had with Dr. Vic in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listen to that interview with feel back, feel free. Feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. It was there’s so much information, there’s so much positivity. (Brad: Yeah.) He was like, he was like taking like a dose like a like a, do you know what I mean? Like a zap off … like of zap off of positivity and ability. And I just really enjoyed that.

Brad Crowell
Think he was giving it. (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah.

Lesley Logan
So anyways, if you’re listening to this in real time, we’re in Nashville. (BradL In Nashville.) Yeah, we’re hanging out with episode, I can’t think of the number but I think it was in the 40s, Lauren Zoeller. Lauren Zoeller. (Brad: Zoeller) Yeah. Lauren Zoeller. We’re hanging out her house. And we’re hanging out a bunch of, actually, I think are gonna I think we’re in meetings with a bunch of people who’ve been on the pod.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Also Amber Shaw.

Lesley Logan
I know. I know. I hope she’s there.

Brad Crowell
Maybe Tori. (Lesley: I think so.) We’re going to a coaching weekend. (Lesley: Yeah.) We’re actually going to bump into a bunch of people …

Lesley Logan
Bunch of are friends. (Brad: Yeah.) That’s how we hang out. We’re like, (Brad: We’re friends.) we’re like …

Brad Crowell
slash let’s all learn together.

Lesley Logan
Let’s all learn together. It’s a write off, we get to hang out and write it off. (Lesley laughs) Oh my gosh, it’s so fun. So anyways, we come home. And we literally kick off our seventh Agency Mini, which is our seven day coaching program, which you’ve been listening to this show. You’ve heard us talk about it. And you have the final moments if we have spots left to sign up right now. And if there are no spots left to get on the waitlist for the next one. If you’re like, I’ll just wait for the next one, then you shouldn’t you shouldn’t try to get into this one because …

Brad Crowell
You should totally try to get into this one. This one’s going to be amazing. We are going to have a couple of guest coach appearances.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, we are we are.

Brad Crowell
… You’ll have to be there.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I know some of them are going to be total surprises for even our Agency members. (Brad: Yeah.) Which is really exciting who we have some of our Agency members on Profitable, hanging out instead of Mini to support everybody. But we only offer this twice a year. So if you wait to the next time, you’re literally holding your business back for months of generating income and getting support and maybe not wasting time on things that won’t work and actually like dial in things that well. So that’s happening. And then we go to Chicago (Brad: Yeah.) for Pilates on tour. (Brad: That’s gonna be fun.) And Erika Quest and I are teaching a workshop together. And then you have a table with our flashcards and our book.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, come hang with Brad at the table.

Lesley Logan
And then we come home on our seventh year wedding anniversary on the day. And then we have 48 hours to get ready for a bunch of people to be at our house (Brad: Yeah.) for our business retreat. (Brad: Yeah.) So woah! I’m so excited for water, sleep, my higher dose mad, my red light therapy and our incredible team who helps us get all of this done so that we can support all these people because we frickin love doing it.

Brad Crowell
Absolutely, I can’t I really can’t wait to see everyone not only hanging out in Nashville, but actually getting to meet a bunch of people in the Pilates world in Chicago. And then of course, diving diving deep into your businesses for those of you who are joining us here in Las Vegas for the business retreat. (Lesley: Yeah.) So I can’t wait.

Lesley Logan
I was like dipping. What are we dipping?

Brad Crowell
Yeah. We are dipping. If you want … more information about Agency Mini, just go to profitablepilates.com/mini

Lesley Logan
Yeah, and Pilates on tour is on the Balanced Body site. And you you can’t miss it. Like it’s gonna be amazing. It’s the first in person event they’ve had since the last time I was with them, which was in October 2018. So wow! (Brad: Yeah.) Holy frickin moly. (Brad: in a minute) Here we go in a minute. I’m gonna need a question from the audience, Brad.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. So we got a question from someone asking, “Are you planning to drive around the country again this winter?” And the answer is, yes.

Lesley Logan
Yes. We’re still, at this moment of recording, we are still working on it. But we did see it, we did get to talk to Joel.

Brad Crowell
We did. I think that this kind of goes hand in glove with our tours that we have been doing the last handful of years. You know, skipping COVID year of course, but I think this this year, we have a different timeline. We have to be back in Vegas for January one for a wedding.

Lesley Logan
For actually December 31. (Brad: Oh, December 31 for a wedding.) Yeah, I know. So we are working on planning out the route. And we’re kind of thinking we’ll leave a little earlier and do the tour before the holiday.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. It’ll probably all happen first. And then we’ll hang (Lesley: We haven’t …) with family before turning around and come to Vegas.

Lesley Logan
We have not … Yeah. We have not picked all the cities yet. We’re still working that out. And so you can throw your city in. (Brad: Yeah.) You absolutely can throw your city and I will say …

Brad Crowell
It’s gonna be a different route this year than normal because we don’t have the luxury. I was really hoping to get up into the Northeast. Get up into Canada even but I’m not sure we’re gonna pull it off this year.

Lesley Logan
He always has hopes it will dry and (Brad: … really we’re going Canada.) no winter time. I know. But I don’t want to go, why would we drive into Toronto in the winter? (Brad: Because we’re going to be on that side of the world.) To my Torontonians I fucking love you. I just don’t like, tell Brad if like summer driving into Toronto is a better idea. (Brad: I know it is. I’ve been there.) Yeah. (Brad: Yes.) I have not. But anyways, so we you can throw your city out there. Typically, we have host studios. They’re usually affiliates of OPC. And they basically help us promote it in the area. We pop in, we do a workout, we have a little hang. And then Brad and I give the dogs walk and get back on the road. But we’re super excited to get that planned. And so yeah, we the answer is yes. I know the answer before is like I don’t know. But the answer is now, yes. And I’m excited to, I’m excited to do like just it’s like a one legged tour. It’s like a tour on one end. (Brad: We’re gonna hop.) Yeah, we’re gonna hop hop hop. But yeah, it’s, but we’re very excited to be able to attend a wedding. So we’re trying to make that work, which just means traveling back from Philly to Las Vegas in literally four days.

Brad Crowell
We’ve done it and we’ve done it faster.

Lesley Logan
We’ve done it faster. So I think it’s possible. (Brad: It’s possible.) Yeah, it’s possible. Okay. So yeah, you can just hit up opc.me/chat if you want to throw your city and there and then our team will figure out like if whether if you’re on a route that allows us to get from, I wouldn’t say a to b but it’s literally LV to PA and, and back. So and you would be surprised what’s on the route because Atlanta is on that route. We are working out (Brad: Oh, yeah.) Atlanta. We talked to Joel as I mentioned from Vitality Method. So we’ll see you there.

Brad Crowell
Looking forward to that. Okay, now let’s talk about Dr. Victor Manzo, transitioning from a practicing Pediatric Chiropractor meaning kids. Right? I didn’t know. (Lesley and Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan
The way you said that was like as if the word Pediatric is is new.

Brad Crowell
It is like I didn’t know Chiropractors worked on kids.

Lesley Logan
Brian, our Chiropractor (Brad: I know Brian does) works on kids. He has pictures of kids.

Brad Crowell
Before I met Brian, I didn’t know that was a thing. So yes, I didn’t realize that Chiropractors could do that. Anyway, moving right along. A practicing Pediatric Chiropractor too, a spiritual business mindset coach. Dr. Vic is on a mission to influence and help people become aware of their limiting beliefs, their habits, standards, and the stories they tell themselves. Then he shares his insights to help them reframe and change their beliefs to support life they love. Dr. Vic is also the creator and owner of The Mindful Experiment Podcast and the author of three books that are seeking to assist people in their everyday spiritual lives.

Lesley Logan
And also, just so you know, Manzo is like the American way and Manzo is the Italian way. So if you if you can say either, apparently, but if you wanted a little education in languages. (Brad: Good to know.) Yeah. (Brad: Dr. Victor Manzo.) Yeah.

Brad Crowell
But you have to say it with a British accent.

Lesley Logan
I know. I’m saying, I don’t think that’s how it sounds either. But we’re just gonna keep going. I’m just gonna let that roll.

Okay, one thing I love that he said was our job is to stay at a high vibration. And I think we can all agree that that is a very positive and helpful thing. And I think the next question is like, “Okay, but how do we do this?” Because you can no longer go, “Yes, I need to stay in high vibration” and then boom, you’re in a low vibration state and it’s like, “Oh, I’m trying to stay in a high vibration.”

Brad Crowell
I don’t even know what a high vibration state means.

Lesley Logan
Okay. Well, that’s, that’s an even better question. So I would say you are in a high vibration. There’s a flow state, you know, when like, things come easy to you when you’re at work, and you just like, just get a ton of stuff done. You said this before, like, “I got a ton of stuff done.”

Brad Crowell
Oh, yeah. (Lesley: Yeah.) I always looked forward to that. Like I really, and it was like, for me, it was like, “Don’t ever talk to me, don’t bother me. I mean, I’m in the zone.”

Lesley Logan
Yeah. But it’s, you often don’t know that you don’t want anyone talk to you because you’re until you’re in the zone, you (Brad: Yeah.) don’t go, “Don’t talk to me, I’m in the zone.” (Brad laughs) That would not be a high vibration. You are, you like start to get in this flow state and you start to and everything comes a little easier for you. And so when you’re in that, that’s like you’re trying to tap into that. And that state and that’s not easy. And you cannot be there if you’re like, “Oh, fuck this, this thing is not working.” Ah that you like, though, when you get when you’re really snappy at little things, you are in a low vibration. So just just a quick thing if you are like if somebody bumps into on the street, or someone cuts you off while you’re driving, there’s your sign. You’re not a high vibration. But if you are like driving, and someone …

Brad Crowell
Well, it depends on how you react to them cutting you off. You don’t have any control over them cutting him off, but how you react to them. (Lesley: Correct.) Yeah.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So anyways, you don’t have a buffer on your cars like this a high vibration car, park up. (Lesley laughs) Anyways, so the idea is like, we have to our job is to try to stay at the high vibration. Now that requires work. But that’s what job is, that’s what a job is. It’s also an exercise. And you’re going to have times where it’s easier to stay the high vibration and times when it’s harder. And you you maybe can’t stay in there as long because you tap out sooner. But you know what it’s up, the more you can, he said anchoring will help you find a high vibration moment in your life. So anchoring is he’s, a lot of times people use this, like anchor into something. So you can think back to a time this what do you exit, think back to a time when you it was easy for you to do that. Like we just was like, oh, you know, when you say you’re at work, and you do it like this. So you you think about what that is? And then you can also think about what happened before that, that allowed that flow state to happen or how did you set that up, so becomes really easy for you. So if there was a time when you like, were really confident or really positive in your life, it was a really happy moment, you can go and go into meditation, you can think about that moment. And then you can go, you can actually feel it in your body. Like if I asked you to feel about a time right now, everybody think back to the time when you were like, feeling the most positive, like, on top of the world. Like you just felt like, “Oh my God, this is the most amazing, I never want to stop.” Sometimes for me, it’s on the top of a hike in Hawaii, like when you’re there and like you’re like, “Wow, I just feel so like, literally in inside myself in the most positive and like, I never want this to end. What did that feel like? What does it sound like? Like, what does it taste like?”

Brad Crowell
Yeah, a lot of times it’s an achievement or a win that you’ve, you know, just add in your life and whether that was a something that you’ve been, you know, chasing for a very long time or something that just happened, you know, for you remember how you felt in that moment. You know, there’s a he describes it later on in the pod as like the moment of bliss or joy, you know exuberance, happiness. And you know, that I think that he, he kept saying something throughout it that was a little bit woo for me, he’s like, you gotta like, you know, be in the vibe. And it’s funny because I use the word vibe, but like I am, what was really surprising to me is that he’s a doctor who went into being a spiritual guide, which is kind of the opposite of what I expect most people to do, because they’re trying to prove something right and so they go and they really get into like science and medicine and like proof, and tangible, and logic and like he is all the foundation of that doctoral, you know, logic and then he’s actually applying it into the spiritual, the the attaining a spiritual life (Lesley: Yeah.) and, and when he’s talking about this vibe, he said he said that the he said basically when you’re operating when you are attaining achieving in a higher vibe, you are going to have a better life. (Lesley: Yeah.) And you’re going to achieve more things. Life is going to work for you more often, (Lesley: People want to be around you.) people want to be around you. Yeah, he talks about that, like being in a room around someone who is operating at a higher vibe, you want to just be in their presence. And you know, and then, and then when you two were talking about like, well, how do you, how do you identify the higher vibe? That’s what he’s talking about anchoring. Remembering a moment where you’ve had a crazy celebration in your life or something really amazing. And he talks about his daughter, or if it is not his his child just being born six weeks ago or whatever. And in that moment of joy that he felt, then is something that that’s an anchor, that’s something he can be like, “Okay, cool.”

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Yeah, I think like, so find your anchor. And then, and then if you are ever out, if you’re ever feeling like, “Wow, I’m just like losing it every few minutes, right now, today is not a great day.” Take five seconds to like, go back to that moment, like maybe have to write on a post it notes. So you just it’s easily I know, I can’t think of good things when it’s a bad thing. So I like have it somewhere where you can easily access it. (Brad: Yeah.) And and then go try to anchor into that and see if you can tap into that high vibration. I know for me, I’ll turn on my red light therapy, and I’ll sit and play this one little mantra meditation takes like five minutes. And it’s like, all these positive mantras. And I’m like, “I feel so good when it’s over.” So you know (Brad: Well …) your thoughts, the tools out there.

Brad Crowell
I liked that you said that, because he was talking about forcing it, you know, and taking a pause, and allowing that to be effectively like a reset button, you know, and he was, there was actually a lot of conversation about forcing it. And I know, I know that I do that. Or I’m like, “I have to get this done. I only have another hour to get this done.” And I’m like ehhh. Right. And and like to be honest, it’s generally not my best work.

Lesley Logan
Or it takes longer if you just take in 15 minutes to like, go rest, go reset, you (Brad: Yeah.) might come back and get it done faster. And you won’t, it’ll be better work.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. (Lesley: Yeah.) And that, you know, it can be as simple meditation as it were, where you are effectively stepping back from something that might be frustrating you and and reflecting back to what your your anchor is, where you can, “Okay, how do I reframe where I’m at right now? How do I get back into joy?” Right. Before I then go get back into this project that I have to get done. (Lesley: Yeah.) So yeah, that’s really interesting. And what I really loved about that is a) I felt there was a very practical approach, but also to, he said, “Hey, look, you know, give yourself a break here.” This is something that’s a habit you have to create, you know, you can conceptualize it right now. But in the moment, you may forget. And so you know, it’s okay. This something you need to practice.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you can’t get in like, I think it’s so weird that we want to get everything right the first time. I say this with Agency members, like we teach them something, and then they get frustrated, like, “I can’t do it.” It’s like, “We’ll you just learned it, like five seconds ago.” Once you don’t, like you don’t like you can get it conceptually, but then you got to do it. And you’re like, “Ah, it’s a great.” Because you just learned it. You just learned you have to do it again. And then you have to learn it from a different angle. And then you have to like put into your own words. So you can’t you have to just be, you have to just be kind to yourself. And (Brad: Yeah.) like when you are being hard on yourself about how you’re not good enough. The first time you do something you are that’s just here’s your sign. Not a high vibration. I feel like Jeff Foxworthy, “Here’s your sign, you are in low vibration.”

Brad Crowell
All right, so finally, let’s talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr. Vic, Victor Manzo? (Lesley: Yeah.) He had, he kind of he repeated himself a handful of times throughout the thing, the whole interview so I thought that was great because it made it he’s got like a very clear path on how to stay in that high vibration. And so right out of the gate, he said, “You need to have or create your vision.” Okay, and that vision for, the vision is for your life. You know, do you see yourself staying where you are doing the thing you’re doing? Is that something you love and you’re already doing that thing? Or are you not where you want to be? Where do you want to be? And he suggested to make that like an anchor or sorry to play that like a movie in your head and associate it with those vibes from the anchor that we already talked about earlier. Right? So you know, if you are like, I’m going to get that promotion at work, you know, and so “see” yourself getting the promotion at work. I mean, you hear this actually, from football players all the time, like, see yourself scoring the goal, see yourself catching the ball, see yourself getting past the opponent, whatever, you know. And then he talked about relating that vision that you’re creating with the emotions, the joy from that moment that you’re anchored.

Lesley Logan
You know, they’ve actually done studies where they had people think about working out like literally put their mindset into like, actually, like lifting weights in their mind. And then they had people workout, but not think about it. And then they had people do both. And the people who worked out and people thought about working out had the same strength scores.

Brad Crowell
I did not know that.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, like, yeah, it’s because our mind is so powerful. (Brad: Amazing.) And like when I was talking with Jay, Jay Grimes, he’s my Pilates mentor. He, I told him this, and he’s like, “Oh, yeah.” He’s like, “I used to get so tired after teaching two hours, because my body was like, doing the workout with them.” Like, the muscle, like, he’s like, “I wasn’t rounding forward, I was just standing there. But like, my muscles, were doing the things.” And I because you’re like, (Brad: So, I mean …) feeling it, you know. And so even …

Brad Crowell
No wonder teaching can be very draining.

Lesley Logan
It can be and then people bring their own weird emotions too. And then client’s bring theirs.

Brad Crowell
They are bringing those low vibrations.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. (Brad: Yeah.) But he, but he talks about, like, you know, even he says, now he’s like, “Mate, I want to, I want to, like, I want to feel, I want to feel your mood while exercising. Like, I, he can’t do it now. So I want to feel for you, you know, so you gotta do that way.” (Brad: Sure.) So I think you have it, I love what his point was. And I think like, it’s not, I don’t think we give ourselves enough time to sit still. And like picture the thing that we want. And like, create that, like, see the vision. (Brad: Yeah.) And even if you’re not a visual person, then write it frickin down.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, he did talk about that. He said, a lot of people, maybe they can’t, like, create, like a movie in their head, but they can write it down and then and they create the story that way. (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah, totally.

Lesley Logan
So, I really loved um, become aware and use it for that as a compass for the work that you want to achieve. So like he was talking about vibe and paid attention and the excitement gave a whole demonstration about like, rub your hands. Do you ever remember? I remember being a kid in a school bus and like, we would like put our hands like, do you ever do this? Where you like put your hand like close to their hands? You could do with me. Do with me. Give me your hand. (Brad: Okay.) And like you would you would like get close with your hand and (Brad: Oh, yeah.) they got further away. (Brad: I feel the heat.) And you can, yeah, you feel that, you can feel energy. (Brad: Yeah.) Yeah. So we’ve …

Brad Crowell
He actually talked about taking your hands and rubbing them together. (Lesley: Yeah.) And then holding them slightly apart and you can feel you know that energy between them.

Lesley Logan
I’m vibing so high. I didn’t even need to do that. You felt it anyway. (Brad and Lesley laugh) But anyways, like he gave like a very kinesthetic exercise you could do to feel that vibe. And you can also just the I think it’s really interesting like awareness is so key. And we even talked with like Lena Franklin, she’s like, once you’re aware you’re enlightened. But when you can actually have that feeling of like when you become aware what you’re wanting and the vibe you want to have. It is so much easier to use that as a compass and know how far off you are. I’m turning because I’m like, and then like how, like a compass. Right. You can come back to it.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, yeah. Sorry, I think I feel like we’re missing a step to connect those dots here. So the first what he’s talking about is we operate better when we are in a high vibration. Right. But we’re not always in a high vibration. (Lesley: No.) Right. And so …

Lesley Logan
You can change, you can be in high vibration in the morning and low by an hour later. Like you can it’s like you’re a human.

Brad Crowell
So the, so we operate better at a high vibration, and we’re not always operating in a high vibration. Right. So then we have, how do you know what a high vibration is? That’s where the anchoring is. Right? And then we have going out and doing life. And in you then once you understand, once you begin to associate high vibration, and identity be able to identify that internally throughout your day, which is where the practice part comes in. Then when you’re trying something new. You can start to feel, “Am I in the right place? You know for this”? And you can start to identify like, “this thing might not be for me.” You know and this other thing, “Oh yeah, this is totally for me.” Because you’re starting to to associate like you start to identify, “Oh, yeah, this, this makes me feel good.”

That’s why I feel like it’s a compass. Right? Because when you identify, “This is my this is my anchor. This is my high vibration.” Right. And you’re doing something that is like 100% not making you connect with that vibration, you can start to say, “Well, maybe maybe I don’t want to go be, this isn’t my thing.”

Lesley Logan
I also just want to like, counterpoint, which I know I talked about, we love what you said. But I think with that description, it’s very easy for someone to try something new feel like their compass is off. And it’s actually the people that they did the new thing with, and it’s not the new thing. For example, I really loved that lyric class that I did. I thought the teacher was great. I had the best time, it was amazing. I went back, and my compass was like, “This is off. This is not fun.” I left feeling worse than when I came. And then I didn’t go back. And actually, the reality was, is just the people that I was with for that moment, made the compass off (Brad: Interesting.) not the thing. So I really think that people there’s like …

Brad Crowell
So it’s almost like something that we can bring. It’s something we bring to a situation. And it’s also something that we can be paying attention to.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I mean, let’s just think about like, you and I used to go on hikes. We love hikes. (Brad: Yeah.) And there’s a few hikes in there that I remember going, “Fuck this shit. When was this fucking hike over?” Because the people brought it the low vibration. The people took the compass the wrong way. And so I think it’s like, we have to be really mindful of like, is it the activity or is or the location or is it the person? Because there are some things I frickin love doing that I would never do it some people. And so I think we can be a little quick to go, “My compass is off. This isn’t for me,” when actually, it that’s the thing. It’s just the wrong. Like, can you imagine if your first date experience blew up and was the worst thing ever? Like, I’m never dating again? No, it was the wrong date. Right? Like, or your first job was like, the most awful experience? Like I’m never working again.

Brad Crowell
Yeah but I think that’s exactly right. When you know that something is your high vibration. Right? For like, for example, that moment of joy, whatever that is. And then you go on a date, and you’re like, “This did not bring me joy. This is nowhere where the close to where I want to feel (Lesley: Right.) to be.” Then you know, then you can say, “All right, cool.” You know?

Lesley Logan
Yeah, but that’s my point. You know, it’s that person, not the dating, not the activity. You went on another date with somebody else. (Brad: Yeah.) Yeah. I think we’re saying the same thing. I’m just making sure people … (Brad: It’s not always about people tho.) No, it can also be the nice amazing people on the worst activity. I think that’s, I think we need to compasses. (Brad: Yeah.) Are there like compasses with like a node? A weather pattern. I don’t know. Like, I feel like there’s like a dewpoint that goes along. I don’t know, there’s just has to be another layer. Because I really, I’m a little wor… I’m a little concerned that some people will go, “Oh, my compass is off. I didn’t like this thing,” when maybe it’s not the thing. It’s like, the place where the thing was. The person where the thing was. I’m not trying to tell people to convince themselves to do something different. But I’m just a little worried that people might give up on the first try of some things based on this one particular example.

Brad Crowell
Here’s what I think we’re gonna do. I think this is a really interesting conversation. I, we’re gonna send this to Dr. Victor Manzo. And we’re gonna get his input. (Lesley laughs) But in the meantime, (Lesley: Because I really love it.) in the meantime, we want your input. (Lesley: Yeah.) Where do you stand here? Is this something that you’re applying or something that you’re putting yourself in a situation and then feeling? Right? Or are you applying it to a situation because you’re reframing your mind?

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I just, I just want to I just want to make sure that we’re not giving pe… like giving people, I totally agree with what he said, when I was on the podcast. What I’m a little concerned with, with just the way we’re talking about it, is that we’re making it so that it’s, it might be too easy to write off something that just might there might be the wrong ingredient. It’s like a food. It’s like, if you like I like there’s Latkes right, and there’s all these different types of flavors. And there’s a couple that I would never ever eat and there was a few that you put some apple sauce on it and fuck yeah, I want that. So I’m just I’m just trying to say like, I’m a little concerned that people might write something off that’s right for them, but it was in the wrong place, people or thing.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, we’re gonna we’re gonna we’re gonna talk to doc. (Lesley laughs) And we’re gonna leave us a voicemail. (Lesley: Yeah.) And put it into one of the recaps coming up.

Lesley Logan
Yes. Okay, (Brad: Yeah.) sounds good. (Brad: I love it.) Okay, I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Thank you so much for joining us today. We’re so grateful you’re here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending us a DM to the pod. And or you can you can put a comment on the YouTube. (Brad: Yeah.) Um, we don’t have a phone number for you to call in and leave a voicemail but you can leave a voice message on on the Instagram. So, I sound like an eighty year old, you can do on the Facebook. (Brad: You can do on the w w’s) (Lesley laughs) You can do on the emails. (Brad laughs) Anyways, thank you so much and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell
Bye for now.

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Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

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Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.

Lesley Logan
Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.