INTRODUCTION

Lesley Logan
All right, Be It listener. How are you doing? How are you really? I’m really excited about this interview actually, when I was reading about Victor and what he’s doing, I was like, “Oh, this could be really great.” And what I love so much about this episode is it was full of things that I was not even expecting us to talk about. And I hope that you take a listen, maybe you listened to it a couple times. Victor and I have the power of speed talking I think. So, so take a listen. But for those of you who are really struggling with getting out of your head and getting into your body this episode is for you. If you are struggling with how do you act as the person that you want to be until you’re the thing, until you’re that thing already this is for you. There’s some really great tips and I know the word spiritual can get a little woowoo for some people but what I hope you understand is that there is science behind a lot of what Victor is talking about and you can listen to Dr. Philippe Douyon’s episode for that information. You can listen to Sue Hitzman’s episode as well. And you’ll you’ll just see that the body knows a lot, a body knows a lot. And the energy we put out into this world really does matter. And if you are needing evidence and proof of why that’s so important, this episode is here for you. So without further ado, but actually tiny a do, a little ad and then Victor Manzo.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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EPISODE

Lesley Logan
All right, Be It babe. I’ve got Victor Manzo here. And I’m really excited because I read his story. And I was like, “Oh, I totally resonate with this.” I really resonate with how his childhood was where there’s not as much financial abundance around. And then I also understood, I also loved and understood, having a job and then sort of like, wanting to transition because you start to go down a path and you realize it’s maybe not your own. And so Victor has an incredible story to share with us all. Will you please tell us who you are and what you’re rockin at right now?

Dr. Victor Manzo
Yeah, so I used to be a former practicing Pediatric Chiropractor who now that I’ve transitioned over to a Spiritual Business Mindset Coach. I put the spiritual side in, because I do teach a lot of spiritual elements in what I do in business people, when you when I had the title, Business Mindset Coach. They’re thinking, “Oh, cool business principles is gonna help me grow money.” And I was like, “Yes, I do that. But there’s these things we got to focus on that will get to that point.” And there’ll be like, “That’s not the standard business coach, I’m used to.” So I was like, “You know, I gotta change this up a little bit.” And so I’ve kind of went down, been been doing that for the last three years. And it’s been something that’s been rewarding, fulfilling, and I’m forgetting the question there was there was a part to it (Lesley laughs) will you rephrase it again?

Lesley Logan
Yeah, no. Just like what you’re doing right now. So (Dr. Victor: Yeah. Okay.) now you’re, so you answer that. And you were a Chiropractor, a Pediatric Chiropractor that has to be a more complicated chiropractic work, I would imagine. Children are probably not as easy to adjust. I don’t know, maybe they’re easier.

Dr. Victor Manzo
As weird as it is, that they’re the easiest to adjust. You know what, you figure, if they move around a lot. That’s one thing, but like infants, they’ll just lay there. And that can get in there so easy to move. And do what I need to do that like is when I’m like, I have a mom, let’s say it’s a first first born that they have is their first born. So the moms a little more nervous about it. And I’ll show them how the adjustment goes. And they just look at me, and I’ll be like, “Let’s go ahead and do the work. And I’ll make the adjustment.” And I’m like, “Okay, we’re done. 30 seconds later, 40 seconds later.” And they’re going, “That’s it? But that’s at all, like you’re not…” “No, that’s good. I’m gonna do some extra work. But I just wanna let you know, the main part of this adjustments done.” And they’re just like, “That looked like you didn’t do anything.” I’m like, “I know, because they don’t need much work. It’s just little stuff here and there that we’re doing to shift to change their neurology.”

Lesley Logan
That’s so interesting. So the the, like the the takeaway I’m getting from that is like adults, with their like, preconceptions, fears, whatever their mindset is, is keeping them from being an easier adjustment … I’ll be a little bit more like babies.

Dr. Victor Manzo
Yeah, I mean, that’s one thing you have the other thing we’re like, we’re also as I always, there’s a phrase in chiropractic, it does come off a little harsh, but it’s like, read it, was it, I rather work with, you know, or I’m forgetting it now. But it’s basically we’re managing things as adults, whether it’s children, we’re actually addressing and clearing things. So when we become adults, we can’t turn things around. But what we can do is, is manage what where you are, and then try to make the best of where you are at that moment.

Lesley Logan
That’s so interesting. And it makes makes a lot of sense because the way the way children taking the world versus the way we like we think we already know it already. So we have all these preconceived notions to like, what is happening and like, why it’s happening, and we’re not exactly like taking in the information. That’s happening. So cool. So okay, you, I love my chiropractor, he works a lot. So imagine I, uh, you know, you probably weren’t working at a time, how, how did you transition into Spiritual Business Mindset Coach? And then can we talk about more about what the spiritual part of that is? Because I love that you address like, when you didn’t have that people are like, “Okay, give me strategies.” And as a business coach, sometimes it’s like, all the strategy in the world is there. But if their mindset isn’t, and it’s like, it doesn’t even matter, I’m talking to like, it’s just gonna be overwhelming. So what was your transition like? And then what’s the spiritual part that you add in?

Dr. Victor Manzo
Yeah, the transition was I got to a point in my career, I have one of the largest pediatric volume pediatric … patient volume for pediatrics in Illinois. And it was one of those things where I was starting to get to a point where I was looking at my my impact that I was doing for the world, not just my community, but for the world. It was small, it wasn’t to the level I want. And it’s not an ego thing. I try to clarify that very quickly. It’s like it wasn’t that I want to be this I don’t care about number one. I don’t care about an award. I don’t that that does not drive what I do. I have a just a big vision in life of influencing, helping as many possible people as I possibly humanly can. And I was like, you know, I was looking at some things in entrepreneurship, that the advice is just not great. And I, I mean listened to it and it got me to be successful in five years, but at the same token, I was burned out, exhausted, fatigued, and I love what I do, and yet I’m exhausted. Didn’t make sense? And then it came a point where I started to address things and be like, you know what, there’s spiritual truths that I’ve learned when I was there going through chiropractic school, it wasn’t through the school, but I was doing energy medicine and learning different energy medicine techniques, and learning spirituality, I became a Reiki Master and trainer, there was all that background to where I was like, “You know what, if I’m really the creator of my life, I should be able to choose my path of success and be able to go down that path. I should be able to declare and define what it is and why I want it like this, and then be able to actualize that into my life.” And that’s what you know, then I sent out like, you know what, the only way I can can have a bigger reach is if I do coaching. And that’s kind of what led me into it. And I started doing it just on the side. I was put through last few years. I was just here and there to help, you know, did some group coaching, did some then I shifted over to one on one for a little bit. And it felt great, because it was like, wow, my reach is getting much bigger. Now instead of just as volume I have here because I have my clients are chiropractors, I’m like, I’m serving all this plus this and this and like this is so fulfilling. So that was the transition. And eventually, I made a full transition this year, January, where my wife and I, we moved from Illinois to Tennessee. And then it was like that was our that was my point to make that transition to go full time in the coaching. But this …

Lesley Logan
Oh I love that you use like a geographic change, because instead of like, like, what a daring moment because you could have done the safe thing. Like you have so many testimonials you have of tried and true business practice that you could probably just set up and like start over again. But instead you’re like, nope, cutting the ties and just going all in on this.

Dr. Victor Manzo
Yeah, it was basically you know, it’s one of those things where, you know, I’m very, you know, I love my practice. Like, I go back when I go back home and visit I always drive by just to look because it’s not a chiropractic office anymore. And I’m always like, “Man, the memories there.” But yeah, it was it was one of those things where we kind of ripped the band aid made a choice to move and start a whole new journey, a whole new life for so many different reasons. And we wish we did it sooner. You know, I still miss practicing. There’s some that people sometimes I ask. I do, I do miss, I go to my chiropractor, and I’m just always like, I’ll see kids in the office, I’m like, “I miss that.” I miss just having fun with the kids. And you know, they’re just such a but like, when I shifted the focus on pediatrics, it was a blast for me because I’m like, “This is great. I can be a big kid. I don’t get looked at weird. Don’t get don’t get judged. And they just have more fun with me, the more I’m a kid.” So I was like, “This is … this is great. I just go to have fun. I go to the office to play all day.” And that’s that was my life. But yeah, but then, you know, it’s looking at then the other side of it too. You know, the spiritual side is is critical. Everything I do has to be spiritual, and if that’s my personal and business, and so it’s taking spiritual truths and spiritual elements. And when we really think of the word spiritual, right, everyone has their own really definition. You can go Google with a definition maybe. But that’s not your definition of what spirituality means. To me, it’s every element of life, because you’re a soul having a human being experience. And in that human being experience, everything you do benefits your soul. So at the end of the day, it’s all spiritual. But how do we unleash that, that yearning of what it is you came here for an experience? I’m gonna get a little deeper in the spiritual side if I do, just let me know. But it’s what we came here to gain some sort of an experience. And how do you create fulfillment? How do we create a soul filled life? And that’s where we look, you look at things that are more beyond the physical, what are things you can take with you when you leave this world? Right. It doesn’t matter how much moneys …

Lesley Logan
I love this … So sorry, I’m interrupting you because I, my, my, like, what comes to mind? It’s like you like what experience are we here to have? Like, what a great question to ask yourself. I think people get caught up on like, “What is my purpose?” And for and I’m just like, when we go I go to like people like, “I don’t know, what my why is. I don’t know what my purpose is.” And I think like even going to the question like, “What is the experience I want to have here?” Can kind of help, like start that journey that because it’s like, that allows you to really understand like, “Do I want to have a horrible experience where I’m like, mad at all my neighbors and mad at all these things?” You know what I mean? Like, it allows you to kind of like, choose your own adventure.

Dr. Victor Manzo
No, totally. And then there’s, there’s, there’s there is a little trap there though, right? Because here’s the thing I wrote this in my third book, I talk a lot about the conditioning of the mind. And this happened to me because in five years, I hit financial hit my financial peak, I was following what all the chiropractors told me what successful chiropractor looks like, feels like, walks like all that. And I was like, “Okay, great. I’m doing it. I’m living in and being that.” But and that’s what I wanted. That’s what I said I wanted, I couldn’t I’ve done all the work I’ve done. I’ve worked with things like life book, where you write out and pictures of all your life visualization, vision boards, you name it. And but then it really hit like, wow, I thought I knew what I wanted. But I was just conditioned. Here’s what I really want. Here’s the life I really want to lead. Here’s what really matters to me. And it was interesting to do that and I started doing business coaching. It was interesting to see that because when I asked an entrepreneur, “What do you want?” It’s always funny because I’m listening when I’m listening to the, their energy I’m listening to or I’m listening to the tone of their voice or by if I if I can see them their body language, and then I’m just I’m feeling the energy. I’m very in tu… I’m very I’m an empath. I could feel things and I’ll just be like, “That’s not you. Like does that what you really want? Like that really excites you?” And they’d be like, “Well, yeah, you know what?” And they start to stutter or some that I’m like, “Yeah, now you’re in your head.” I was like, “What?” Let me, let you know, all of a sudden they start speaking, and I’m like, “That’s what you really want, I could feel it.” And I’m like, “Can you tell the difference?” And they’re like, “Yeah, I can.” And it’s like, this is where the spiritual side comes in, well, somewhat spiritual, it’s just being aware of your body. Because that’s the thing where a lot of things I teach and share is all about getting out of your head. Because we’re just too much in our head in today’s world. (Lesley: Yeah.) Like, so much of the time.

Lesley Logan
So, so how…. So, okay, couple things. Because I do understand that I have seen them before. It’s like, “Oh, I want more clients. Why you want more clients?” Because, you know, and it’s like, “Why do I want to do that?” So how, how are you getting people to go from like, is it like, they, there’s a surface story that they like, are conditioned to want to have that we’re all conditioned, like, “These are the things we want. We want to have a house. We want to have the things, whatever.” And like, is there another action or journaling? Or is there another thing they can do to like, get to the real thing they really want? Like, how do you get from the surface level thing to the thing that they’re afraid to actually share?

Dr. Victor Manzo
You ever been around a four year old?

Lesley Logan
Yes, they are amazing. They tell you everything.

Dr. Victor Manzo
What, there’s a word that they use all the time. If it’s around four or five, they start doing it. And that word is ‘why’. Right. If you ever ask hey, you know, I remember my niece is at the stage right now. “Hey, blah, blah, blah. Why uncle Victor? Oh because blah, blah, blah. Why uncle Victor? Do you, is that the only thing you know how to ask? But why I want to know why, why is that?” And I’m like, “I love that.” This is when you and the reason why that works so wonderfully is because let’s say I want to have a big house. Okay. Why is that important? Well, because it’d be nice because I want to have a big house when I have more room. Okay, but why is that important? Well, because you know, more room means I can have more things to do. Okay, but why is that important that? And you see, you keep asking ‘why’ you’re gonna hit dead ends, you’re gonna be starting like, “Oh, why do I want that?” You know, but like, there’s a difference where it’s like, “I want to have a big house.” Well, Vic, why do you want to have a big house, because the bigger house I have, the bigger kitchen I can have, the more cooking I can do, the more family I can come over create more experiences in my family, so that we can enjoy more. And for my family, they can come and this can be like a vacation for them. And we can I can enjoy and create experiences with them. And that’s the meaning why I want a big house not to show off or show any. I don’t care about the size. I just care about having what it is to be able to fulfill that.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And so what you’re saying is not like, just because the first thing you say you end up stuttering at the why. That’s okay. Just get to the root of it. Because it’s okay to want the big house if the big house has a purpose for the life that you want to have versus like this is everyone has a big house. So I have to have a big house.

Dr. Victor Manzo
Exactly or it can be it can even be your ego, like I just want to have a big house because of a status purpose. That’s fine. I mean, it’s not deep. But if that’s what matters to you. It’s like I was talking to someone I remember years ago, one of my, my sister in law’s boyfriend was like I was meeting him for the first time and he was like, he pulls up to the office. They come in, he’s like, “Hey, where’s your where’s your benz?” I’m like, “bendz.” He’s like, you know, BMW. I’m like, “I know what you’re asking.” I mean, that’d be a Mercedes. And I was like, “What do you mean?” He’s like, “Yeah, you’re a doctor. Usually you have one of those things.” I was like, “No, I’m not into those things.” He’s like, “You don’t like luxury cars.” I said, “I have nothing against luxury cars.” I’m just not that type of guy. I’m different. I go, but I’ll go have, I’ll go have a very expensive pickup truck. That’s all souped up. Why? Because I like pickup trucks. I like things that are fast. It’s just cool for me. It’s fun to have a car, I don’t speed or anything. But it’s just cool every once in a while. I like to have the feeling to go onto the expressway and I can punch it and it can really take off. I’m like, that’s just a joy thing. It’s it but that’s but that’s other than that in my life. It’s just that’s cool. And a fun little toy, but it’s you know, but that’s again, what matters to me what’s important to me. Other than that, I can care what the heck I drive.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Yeah, I think I love this quote. It’s not about like, not wanting the souped up track or the benz. This is knowing the reason why behind it that so you can actually have that as your Northstar versus the actual, the actual physical thing.

Dr. Victor Manzo
It’s even great to ask people like when it comes to how much money you want to make when you work with a client, or I’m working with a client and it comes to what do you want to grow in the next year? And they’ll say, “Oh, I want to I want to double.” Okay, why? It’s the simplest thing you can just, you can do that all day long. And they’ll give you reasons. But if you keep asking the ‘why’ there comes a point where you’re just like you’ll even the person asking you, it’s just like, “That sounds good man. Like that’s deep, man. I feel energized from that.” Like, that’s what I’m looking for. I want to feel energized from them telling me why they want it. Because then I know that they’re, they’re really propelling their true energy. And just like anything, we gravitate to people who have really projected excuse me, really good energy, you got anyone that’s a real good speaker, you’ve been around, and you could just be in their presence or you listen to them speak. You’re just like, I just love being around this person or just someone in your life that just has good energy. You just you just gravitate to them and (Lesley: Yeah.) that there’s a feeling that comes from that. And that’s the feeling that I’m looking for to make sure I’m like okay, yeah, we’re there. You’re now projecting what you really are. We’re connecting soul the soul. I can feel it. Now we’re good.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, so okay, so to people who are listening, they’re like, “Okay, I actually know I’m very clear on why I want things. And I got that spiritual side.” What, when it comes to the spiritual side helping us with the things that we want to do that are a little bit more strategy in our business. Like, how, like, how have you seen that happen? What’s what’s the, what’s the tipping point? Or like, what’s the benefit? Is it, do you see people who don’t have the spiritual side, like having as much success as people who do? What what are you seeing in your business?

Dr. Victor Manzo
You know, for what, you know, for me, you have to have some sort of connection, you know, because spiritually, like, just think about spiritually, so like the law of focus, right, where you, wherever you put your mind, or attention to, energy flows to wherever energy flows to manifestation is gonna grow. And so, you know, these are the, from from, from spiritual truths or spiritual elements of wisdom, it’s been shared for so long, you know, it’s knowing that, okay, wherever I put my energy, my my source energy, or your soul energy, or whatever you want to label that as, right, you can call it focus, if you want for those who like to debt word, wherever you’re giving that to, is going to give life to. And so it’s looking at so when I share this with people, this is one of the stuff I start to work on, when it comes to like visualization and visions, right, you have to have a vision does everyone anyone that works for me always has to go through this work of creating your own vision. And I have a whole tier system into it, you know, your whole life, and then multiple areas of your life. And then from there, then we look at tapping into visualization, and how to utilize raising your vibe this is where I use law, vibration and law, attraction comes in and we get the law of manifestation eventually. But these are all principles I’ll pull in to utilize to start to align with spiritual truth to create fulfillment for you. Coming back to that definition of spirituality again, to me, it’s fulfillment. You know, and so that’s where I’m looking at things at the end of the day. So when I when I think of fulfillment, then it’s like, how are you being fulfilled in life? Right? How what are the things that are gonna give you that? What are the things you’re gonna get from this, that you can take with you when you leave? You know …

Lesley Logan
So … Yeah. Are you is that something, is that something you’re like asking yourself regularly, like health and how how am I fulfilled today? How was I felt like, are you asking this, or just like (Dr. Victor: No.) you can tell.

Dr. Victor Manzo
So a lot of things, I teach is feelings, you have to tap into your vibe, you have to get connected back to your body. Too many times we because if he even if he asked a question, I used to do a lot of introspection with questions and so forth. I’ve gotten so far away from that now. Because, really, because if understanding the mind more from a conditioning standpoint, how do I know they’re really saying the truth? How can I get down to the truth and the root of it, I can go from a mind perspective with tons of questions till eventually we may get there, or just go to feelings, because that’s, that’s how you connect anyhow. And when you’re in alignment, when you’re in either a soul alignment or just aligned to your vision, and aligned to your purpose of what it is that you want to achieve. Your emotions and vibe will be higher, you’ll feel better, you have more energy, you’re gonna, you’re gonna be excited you’re gonna have there’s all this positive vibes that come through. Yeah. And then the key is what I teach a lot of my clients is you got to know bringing that into the body. Where does it show up? How does it show up for you, like for myself, it always hits my stomach, that’s just I’ll get this like a glow. Or sometimes it feels like butterflies, butterflies in my stomach. Or sometimes it’s a visualization, well actually feel like a, like a ball like glowing orange like color in there. And I just be like, “Okay, I’m in alignment. I’m feeling good, man. I’m feeling really, my energy’s up.” And then what you do is, you got to get your brain involved because your brain wants to take over when things are you trying to figure things out when fear kicks in, or whatever your brain is left brain specifically is going to overtake because it wants to control the situation as much as possible. But what you do is just say, “Hey, brain got this, how about this every time I feel this, this means that just keep reminding me that.” And now you’re allowing the ego to come in and work with you. This is leveraging your mind now so that it can be your compass to know, “Hey, I’m in alignment that maybe this this idea that I’m feeling like I need to take while I’m getting that feeling. It’s a aligned. Or may it’s this or that or whatever I can go to hold hold that.” But …

Lesley Logan
Yeah. I love this. I totally love this because I feel like I feel like I’m pretty good at like, “Oh, I’m feeling really anxious right now. I’m feeling really good right now. I’m feeling really energized right now.” And you’re correct. Like when I’m in alignment. It’s like I’ve ever even bad news. It’s like oh, that’s gonna be okay, because this is coming up tomorrow. Like you just kind of are like, it’s like you’re like ignoring it or like aloof but it is it’s almost like there’s like a barrier that can’t take the negative stuff isn’t like affecting you in a reactive way. However, I feel like I know a lot of people who actually are so disconnected that they’re like, “Okay, guys, I want to go off my feelings but I don’t actually know how I’m feeling right now.” So how do we get people who are like, like they’re in their head so much they’re not in their body and they’re not feel they don’t have that awareness of how they’re feeling. Do you know what I mean? Like they don’t have the vocabulary yet.

Dr. Victor Manzo
Yeah, the easiest thing is this, we’ve all had a good moment in life that we got happy or got excited, or we have brought joy to us, right. And like, I just became a dad six weeks ago. So for me, visualizing my daughter in my arms is the easiest thing to get to that vibe. But we’ve all had a moment, maybe you played sports, and you it was last minute or you made the winning goal or put, you know, at the home run, or whatever sport it may be, or it could have been playing an instrument and you’re in the zone and that feeling you got, we’ve all had that experience in some way, shape, or form, you just use that to create it. Because even like when it comes to like money, for example, and some people are like, “Well, yeah, I think about I think I know that I can create or I can I can manifest this in my life. But there’s always this feeling inside me that just, it’s I just don’t know, it’s I just don’t get excited, I just can’t get there. “Well, then don’t focus on that. Just focus on an event in your life that would brought brought happiness and joy to you. Because what that’s all we’re trying to focus on is the vibe, that’s what we’re trying to get to. And then once we you get the vibe up there, that’s all your that’s your, that’s your job is just to make sure your vibration stays at a high, high vibration. And that’s having good high emotions, you know, you’re and you’ll feel it like I, it’s this is where I’m trying to learn better how to use words to it, because it’s something that you can’t, like you put a label on it, you’re missing the power of it. (Lesley: Yeah.) And so it’s like, so it’s one of those things where I’m like, I can kind of explain it in a very, you know, certain way, but it’s still not that, like, I have a client a great example, five months in. He, we get on a coaching call, and he goes, “Doc, he’s like, I feel like I’m waking up.” And I was like, “You mean just today or where we are with this?” He’s like, “No, I feel like I’m living in a dream. Like, I can’t believe like, this is crazy. I just may sound crazy.” I’m like, “Nope, doesn’t sound crazy to me been there many times I know what your talking about.” And then we walked in, we were talking explaining it and it was just like, a whole different realm and he goes, “I finally get what you mean by feeling. I finally get what you mean at this point.” And it’s just like he goes, the power of that is so powerful, I’m going it’s a lot easier in life when you just do that compared to trying to figure things out. And so (Lesley: Yeah.) but that’s what I would recommend is like, you just happen to some that you had that is a positive vibe in some way shape, or form joy, bliss, happiness. And that’s all that’s that’s the feeling, and you just gotta get used to having that.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I think that’s like, I totally understand, like, the words that you use to label things can dismiss their power. But the often that’s all we have is words. So I think for a lot of people what you can’t label is also really hard to be aware of. So I think there’s like an interesting balance there. I guess like there’s because so many of the people who listen to this are perfectionist overachievers, right, like their work, the word recovery is trying to be in there. That’s what I think I am recovering perfectionist overachiever. And so there, there’s somebody who is going … totally do this. And they’re going to get a little bit stuck, because they’re going to get a little heady about it. So is there an order in which they need to think about how to approach getting more spiritual and getting in touch with their feelings? So that they can, you know, have a little bit of a roadmap because that’s, they’re gonna need it.

Dr. Victor Manzo
Yeah, totally. So here’s the easiest way to do it. As you first as I said, I always start with my clients with a vision have a vision of your life. And you can do this in many ways. You can do the whole eulogy thing, if you were going to pass away, what did you want someone say about you? Are you living your life to what that person would be saying? But it could be the vision of what you want, how you see yourself, and vision could go five years, 10 years, 15 20 30 40, it doesn’t matter, you you can do all of them if you want. But having you know, starting with the vision, and then what you do with that vision, okay, so you gotta get it in your head, you got to see it in some way. Play it like it’s a movie, you know, imagine you’re seeing a movie in your head that you are creating and just get imaginative be a kid again, right? Because kids are masters of being being imaginative, and everything I could tell. I mean, I’ve learned that just from adjusting them. It’s crazy what they come up with. And they’ll tell me, “Doctor Vic you do this because or Doctor Vic my brains broken today. Oh, your brains broken today? What’s going on? I don’t know. It’s just not working well. Oh, why?” And I just love it. And then obviously making an adjustment, they go, “Yeah, my gears working more.” And I’m just like, I love that they’re just being creative. But long story short, it’s number one, the vision number two then right? So we get the vision, get you know, and then there’s the excitement about it, make it feel that it is going to happen, right? When we’re perfectionist, I used to be one of myself, you know, hey, we have to control so much. And the freedom of what you’re seeking is actually letting go of that control and trusting when we try to control you know, for me, at least it was when I was trying to control a lot. I didn’t have trust in the process and that faith in myself to know that it’s all gonna work out. I needed to make sure I was on top of everything. And then the last half of my my practice, I did the opposite of that. So having a vision is going to be the first thing and visualizing with it, but get those emotions. You know, I think I’m hope I’m trying to get answering this question. (Lesley: Yeah.) Because then it’s the emotional I tried it again. Now, if you can’t bring the emotions to the table before you visualize, go anchor. And that’s what I was sharing earlier, (Lesley: Yeah.) is you’re anchoring into an old experience that is going to make you feel great, it gets you excited, and then go pretend that that’s going to happen that whatever you’re visualizing, pretend in your mind, that’s going to happen. Because here’s the thing, there is science to back this up that what I’m sharing with you is not just something out there, whatever you see in your mind, however you project, whatever you see in your mind’s eye or your imagination. And whatever you see, with your physical eyes, your brain cannot tell the difference between either. (Lesley: Yeah.) It doesn’t know which one’s real. So why not be creative and imaginative. This is what billionaires do. Be use your imagination, use vision to false create a reality to make your nervous system and your body think that’s real.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, no, we had Dr. Philippe Douyon on here. And he was talking about how your eyes and ears only see what your brain is looking for. So if you tell your brain, this is happening, your eyes and ears are going to literally have this nice little confirmation bias out there looking for evidence that it’s already happening, because that’s what they’re saying.

Dr. Victor Manzo
Yeah, I mean, it’s your reticular activating system. It’s called RAS. And it’s what it does, and you program it too, which is actually very cool. So like he was saying, if you see it in a certain way, if you value that in a specific way, then that is going to be all that you’re going to see. And anything else that you don’t value, it will not reach your consciousness, it will literally filter that stuff out. So that way you do not see it. So this is why you can have 10 people line up for an event and you can get 10 different stories. It’s not because they saw something different. It’s just because what their values were, they only saw what they valued. (Lesley: Yeah.) And so then they share that story from there. (Lesley: Yeah.) But that that’s the side of that. And then it just, you know, the feeling side, you know, this is where when we can step into the state of more joy, that’s our natural state as a soul. So that’s in a state of being in alignment. And the more you practice this, the more it becomes easier to manifest the things that you desire in your life. So I always say visions first and visualize second and get into bringing those positive or higher vibe emotions. And then the fourth thing that you can do is just feel where it shows up, you may not know in the beginning, this is your first time doing this. It’s okay. Don’t try to think you have to have this nailed down. I’m very sensitive. And it took me a while to master this. Even though I’m very, I was already sensitive. I had people friends of mine who were when I was doing energy healing, they would do an exercise where they’ll think of a number between one and 10. And I would have to feel what that number was, and then say it, and I would get it wrong. And she’s like, you’re in your head, I can feel you’re in your head, she’s like, “You already know the number, you’re second guessing yourself.” And I was like, “Oh, I did.” Because I thought it was this, I felt it. And then I went with something else. And then it got to a point where all of a sudden, I was like 20 for 20. And I was just like, “This is cool, how I can just feel what the number is.” And she’s like, “Yeah, you just have to, this is what you need to do in life. And this was gonna help guide you in healing, what’s gonna guide you and all those things.” But it took me a while to do that. This is like a whole new skill. It’s, even though we were naturally inclined to doing this already. It’s just we’ve been conditioned over the years, to get away from our internal aspects of things and focus externally, and everything with how health happiness and all those kinds of things.

Lesley Logan
100%. I love this so much. You all you just got like a nice little roadmap to be it till you see your vision, vision first, then visualize it happening. And then and then get to that feeling of it. And it feels sort of see all the things even wanting to be happening now. You don’t have to like wait for it.

Dr. Victor Manzo
You don’t. And then the other thing too is you don’t have to figure things out anymore. Like I talk a lot about effortless action that leads to effortless success. And there’s a law called the Law of Inspired Action. And I always say if you truly understand the Law of Inspired Action, you’ll never have to figure out anything ever again in your life. Like literally you won’t, because when you step into the right vibe, law of vibration states, whatever you you can only experience in the physical world, whatever you are vibrating at. But at the same token why you focus on vibe is because let’s say I want to be a millionaire, but I only make $50,000 a year, but I want to make a million dollars a year. But what I do is if I focus my vibe on being getting to that level of being a millionaire, I may not have it in my bank account yet. That’s okay. What’s going to happen is you’re going to attract ideas, people circumstances and situations to help you along the way to get to that point. And they’ll come to you. And I’m living proof of it. I have clients that are living proof of it. My books are living proof of it. Because all my books that I’ve written had never been something that was like, “Oh, my first book, I want it to be like this because of X Y Z.” And then my second I mean, I have a goal of writing 30 books in my life, just because I want to share as much as I possibly can. And it’s one of those things where I don’t even know where my number four books gonna come. (Lesley: Right.) I have no clue whatsoever, but I know it will come to me when the time’s right.

Lesley Logan
Okay, there’s amazingness. So I do I do agree and you just said it really quickly. I want to make sure you really can only experience what you’re putting out there. If you are an angry, frustrated person. You’re only going to experience angry frustrating things like you cannot, you’re not like you’re not going to be able to see like there’s a beautiful rainbow. You’re gonna be like, “Ah, look at the clouds covering the rainbow.” Like you’re not gonna have the good times. Can you, you said the Law of Inspired Action, just because that one, I don’t know, can you just like, what’s the dis… like, what’s the definition of that one because that’s amazing?

Dr. Victor Manzo
It’s something that you’re going to be called to, you’re going to be inspired to take, it’s gonna pull you. It’s, it’s literally it pulls you in, like, writing my third book was like this, I can share this example. I remember, it was November 2021. And all of a sudden, I was like, you know, haven’t written a book and while and all of a sudden, I just kept thinking book kept coming in my head. I’m like, “Why am I thinking about a book?” I’m not I got, I’m just, I’m getting ready for a move. I’m here ready to close my office? Why the heck is a book coming in, I don’t have time for that. And it was one of those things where it’s just like a kept tugging at me. So I mentioned, I’m, like, I got out of a meditation. And I was just thinking of conditioning and how the mind was, it was just a very interesting meditation I had, and all of a sudden out of the blue, it was like, decoding the matrix. And I was like, “Decoding the matrix.” And then here comes the instance of a book and I’m going, “Okay, do I have to write this book?” I’m like, “You know, I know how this works, fine. I’ll and I’ll entertain this because it just kept pulling me or it kept grabbing my attention.” That’s, it’s gonna, and then I got excited about it. I was like, “Oh, my God, decoding the matrix, this would be great. Man, decoding matrix blah, blah, blah.” It was just like, it was just coming, like out of me.

Lesley Logan
So have you read the book, Big Magic?

Dr. Victor Manzo
I know it, but I haven’t read it.

Lesley Logan
It’s Elizabeth Gilbert, and she talks about how ideas want to be born, and they’re going to come to you. And if you sit on them too long, they will just go off to somebody else because they want to be born. And so and it’s okay, like, you know, there’s nothing wrong, like you’re not the worst person if you don’t take the action. But she’s shares a story about a thing that she was thinking of right. And she hadn’t told anybody what the story was gonna be. So all this research, and then she meets another author and their their pen pals, but they’re not talking about what they’re writing about. And then finally, they get on a call. And they’re like, “Okay, well, what are you writing about?” And the girl tells her, which is right now. And it’s the same story that Liz was going to write about a year before, but she did take a pause for a family thing. And then she, she did all the research, it was sitting right there, she never took the action. And the idea when someone else and that person literally was doing it told her and just like, “Oh, I have all the research that you probably want for that.” So I just think, um, I think it’s really amazing. I think, I think people might be listening is going, “That doesn’t happen to me.” I think it does happen. We’re just so in our heads, we’re like, you’re going, “Why is that? I don’t want to deal with that right now.” Like, or “I don’t even know what that is?” Like, you’re kind of deflecting the ideas that are cut… the inspiration that’s coming to you because you’re too busy, or you’re too overwhelmed, or you’re too anything and not actually staying in, in your alignment and staying with what’s going on.

Dr. Victor Manzo
100%. I mean, it is this, it’s just one of those things that like you said, ideas, the books, those kinds of things, they all want to be born in some way. And it’s, there’s advice that we’ve all been told, and I was thinking about this a few months back and that, you know, you’ve always heard, go chase your dreams. Go out, go chase your dreams. Go live your life, you know, and that is like one of the worst advices to give. And here’s why. Because that goes against the law of vibration. You see, when we’re if you think of yourself as like a magnet, you just have to tune your frequency to what it is. And then all of a sudden, whatever you seek is going to seek you. That’s a spiritual truth. And so whatever you’re looking for, is going to want to if you’re giving it life, and it’s gonna be like, “Oh my God, yes, you are the person.” This is this, this is gonna sound crazy. But if you ever, there’s been medium shows on Netflix now and you’ll hear this, if you ever watch one of them, they’ll always talk about like, this person is coming through to me, because they know that I can I understand it. They’re coming to me so I’m the one who can share this message. It’s just as easy be like this is this happens because they know that I can understand them. It’s the same thing with your ideas and stuff. When you align to that certain level, they’re gonna come to you, because you are the one that can give it life they want to live and they want to have an experience. Think of him as a living entity. Les Brown does a hospital bed speech or death bed speech like that he’ll talk about you’re on your death bed and so forth. Highly recommend people to listen to it. But it resonates is exactly what we’re talking about, of doing that. And so when you step into that vibe of what you want to create, there’s endless ideas that will come there’s endless situations and circumstances and people, but you just have to focus there. And when you do that, then all of a sudden law of inspired action is going to come because you will be inspired. It’s kind of like in again, old book. It’s only a couple, you know a couple 1000 years old, it was written 2500 years ago, Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu. And one of his verses. It’s any one verse I highly recommend when they read it. But it’s one of his verses. He says like, if you feel like you have to do force, or you have to force to do something, then don’t do it at all. And in the Western world, we hear then and go, “That is absurd. No, I need to …”

Lesley Logan
Everything’s a force. I gotta just do all of it. And it has to be hard because I’m pulling myself up on my bootstraps, because that’s what everyone does.

Dr. Victor Manzo
Exactly. But if you really listen to it, right, when you feel anxious, or I, because I get that sometimes I’m like, “Oh, I have to be doing this, I gotta get this done.” And it’s like, “Oh, you know what, I’m not going to do it, I’m gonna take a step back. And the reason why is I need to recenter myself, I’m not inspired to do that I’m forcing it.” And that’s why in a Forbes article, it was they said, 60% of leadership is burned out. That’s why a majority of entrepreneurs are burned out, because we’re forcing all the time. And instead of if we just learn to step into the vibe, and just take a hey, even when you feel like you have to forcing something, just take a break for a second, like when I’m in and this is this is you’ve seen this in athletes, when they talk about being in the zone, you’ve been in a flow state or an artist has been in a flow or when someone’s in the instrument, and they’re in the flow state. You when you’re in a flow state, and you’re in this space of this vibe, you get so much more done faster, and it’s at a high vibration. But what that means is that the quality of what you’re going to produce is way better than what you’re going to do that from a force. I can talk about this from a neurological perspective and a neuroscience perspective. But there’s so much into that just from that one quote. When I remember when I was listening to it years ago, I was like, “Wow, that is so true. Man, I do a lot of forcing.” (Lesley: Yeah.) Didn’t realize that. I mean (Lesley: Yeah.) it to take more time just to be, just take more time to self. And that’s what I’ve done this year. I’ve actually made a commitment this year to my wife and like any time I feel like I’m not doing enough or I don’t feel like I because I used to be a workaholic. I used to be a perfectionist. I always felt like I had a dad who always nothing against this. I mean, I love my father, but he always like if I he came home, and I was playing a video game or watching TV, “What are you doing? There’s things that we got to get done.” And you know, he obviously he there’s a lot of stress in the house that things that needed to get done. There wor… my parents were working multiple jobs just to make ends meet. But at the same token that instilled in me, I didn’t know how to relax, I don’t know how to really be. (Lesley: Right. I understand that.) Right? (Lesley: Yeah.) And so but that’s the power and the beauty of this stuff, because then it’s just like take a moment and get your vibe right. And then all of a sudden, you may have thought of a different idea or you’re able to get into that flow state and you work for 30 minutes to an hour that would have took you four to six hours if you’re forcing it.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Oh my gosh, Victor so much good stuff. Okay, we’re gonna take a quick break, find out how people can read the books, get to work with you and your BE IT action items.

All right, Victor. Where can people find, follow you, get your books? Where were you hanging out these days?

Dr. Victor Manzo
So the easiest is my hub is my website, empoweryourreality.com. I have my free resources on there. One on one, if you wanted to get on a coaching call just to see what’s going on, to discover you saw what’s happening. What are the challenges, what are the dream, dream dreams and you want to achieve, the goals you want to have? And so forth. And then at the bottom left of my website is all my socials, I’m on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and LinkedIn. I post about five, six times a week relating to mindset, spirituality, money, consciousness, anything related to the mind, basically in spirituality and in universal laws to help elevate. So if you have any questions, I love hearing from people send me, drop me a DM, I always love to read them and respond. And but yeah, that’s pretty much it. And then my books are on, my books are all over Amazon.

Lesley Logan
Perfect. Okay, so you’ve given us a lot of good stuff, but just in case people skip to the end, want the cliffnotes BE IT action items. I there’s a few of you, I know who do that. Bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it.

Dr. Victor Manzo
Number one, as I shared earlier as your vision. You got to create something, create a movie in your life of what you want to see. Like literally, I want you to sit and literally just create a movie of how you see your life to be. And whatever that is, don’t judge it. Don’t anything, just let your mind, go into it and create that experience. If you can’t visualize, write it down, journal it either or some people like visualization. Some like to write it down. If you want to do both do both doesn’t matter either way. But get into that creating that movie. Then the second thing is, you know, remember a moment in time that you had that excited you, that got you so excited like a kid, maybe it was something as you were as a kid, maybe it was something having your child or maybe it was a sports event, whatever it may be, whatever gets you to that vibe, focus on that, just get into an immerse yourself into that feeling. What does that feel like? The third thing is pay attention where it shows up and always shows up in a certain area, you’ll feel a sensation, if you’re not used to it. For all your listeners, what you can do if you want to feel sensation is you’re ever hands really, really fast. And do it for like 10 to 15 seconds, and then you just take them apart and just feel what your hands are, you’re gonna feel like a slight vibration in your hands. That’s actually the life within you. That’s what life actually feels like. We’re very numb to it in many ways. And so that feeling usually will show up somewhere in your body in some way, shape or form. Just become aware of that because that becomes a compass for you in the work that you want to achieve or do or lead towards your vision. So those would be the three things that I’d recommend they can start immediately.

Lesley Logan
I love all of those. You guys, how are you going to use these in your life? We want to know. So tag myself, tag Victor on Instagram and we’ll put those links in the show notes below. So it’s really easy for you and tell us what your takeaways were which one of these BE IT action items or which one of the laws did you hear helped you, made something makes sense for you? Let us know and share it with a friend who needs to hear a little bit more about this maybe you know, those friends were like, … but you can like send them this and then they you know, you’re not the one telling them what to do. Someone else is people always listen more. Thank you so much, Victor. Thank you for everyone listening to this and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

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