INTRODUCTION

Lesley Logan
Hey you, welcome back to Be It Till You See It. Aahhh. I can’t get over that I get to do this as par… as like part of my living. I love talking to you, I truly do. I also am obsessed with the takeaways that you are sharing with me on all the things, whether it is on Instagram and tagging @be_it_pod or it is on our YouTube channel, or it’s on Facebook. And you know, however you want to get a hold of me to share with me your takeaways, I will take it because I want to make it easy for you. And, I also believe that when we write things down that it sticks with us, and so thank you for being a listener first and foremost. And if this is your first podcast, you’re listening to us. Well hello, and welcome to Be It Till You See It. Today’s guest is an epic woman and I cannot wait for you to hear her strategies for you to Be It Till You See It. Oh my gosh. I literally, I literally hung up with her and I went and did one of them. And so you’ll have to guess which one I did. I’d love to hear it. But her name is Amber Shaw and she is someone that I think so many of you will resonate with. She was in corporate sales for 16 years. She is a mom and she went through divorce right before her 40th birthday. And she used all of that to propel her on this journey and this mission on this planet. And it is so filled with purpose and she is such an awesome human being so I can’t wait for you to dive into this episode. Please do us a huge favor and after you listen to it, share us your takeaways. I know it will not only make Amber’s day, it’ll totally make mine and you never know who’s going to see that post you do and it’s going to light a fire under them and it’s going to be the sign that they needed to do the thing which is Be It Till You See It. So here comes the amazing interview with Amber Shaw right after this message.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and business fitness coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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EPISODE

Lesley Logan 2:49
Hello, welcome back to the Be It Till You See It podcast. I am really excited to talk to Emily Coffman. Okay, this is really funny. So, Emily and I actually are in a very similar, we’re in the same mastermind. And we were in these virtual meetings, which is where you really don’t, get … you get to know people, but you don’t really get like you see their faces in a little Brady Bunch Hollywood Squares and you’re like busy working on your stuff. And then I get this podcast reach out from someone on a different platform, and it was Emily, and I’m like, “Oh sure!” I didn’t I didn’t notice that it was someone I sort of knew already. And then we get on the zoom, we do a whole podcast and I’m like, “Do I, do I know you already?” (Lesley laughs) And so um, so it’s just so fun to be able to have you on my podcast because first of all, what you are doing in this world is so necessary as an ex-athlete, and I was not even an elite athlete, but just someone who was in sports, seeing what you’re doing and how you’re supporting and advocating for athletes to live their best life and for people to live their best life. I had to have you on. Of course you’d be on the Be It Till You See It podcast. So Emily, will you tell everyone who you are and what you’re up to right now?

Emily Coffman 3:58
Yeah, thanks for having me on. It’s so funny that we spent an hour talking before realizing we knew each other. But I am the podcast host of “Live Your Personal Best” podcast and author of a book being published this summer, “Elite to Everyday Athlete.” So, I’m kind of working on the two right now to help advocate for former athletes and then just everyday athletes, too.

Lesley Logan 4:19
Okay, there’s gonna be so much to talk about because I have written a book and it’s a lot of work. Are you doing are you self publishing? Are you working with a publisher?

Emily Coffman 4:29
So, it’s hybrid publishing, so I’m working with a publisher.

Lesley Logan 4:32
So, I mean congratulations that’s a huge huge deal. Um, it’s not easy to do. How like what made you … what made you want to write this book? Like what was it about it that you’re like, “You know what, I’m gonna take on a book. I’m gonna write a book.”

Emily Coffman 4:48
Yeah, I wish I thought about it longer because it definitely is a huge undertaking, but I started my podcast at the beginning of COVID. And everything shut down and I loved it came out with twice a week episodes, and I had over 80 episodes published and I was like, “Okay, I talked about this so much there’s a clear need of people like needing help with how to live a healthy lifestyle after sports” and as much as I love my podcast and as much as that’s helpful as like a book it’s like front to back like you follow it in order there’s no jumping around” and I was like, “And that’s what they need is like this step by step guide.” And so I started kind of writing my ideas into a book and then for I knew it 30,000 words later it’s a full published thing.

Lesley Logan 5:31
Oh, okay, so I do, so I as an athlete, like I was a runner, and like, you know, back when I was a runner, they weren’t like, “Here are the things you eat – it was like carb load.” (Lesley laughs) And so then I went to college and I was no longer running and you can’t, you don’t need to eat that much rice, you actually don’t need to have that much and so it was really hard for me to change into being just like a normal person who moves (not that there’s anything wrong with that) but like from when you’re running and working out so much – and also you’re younger and so life is just easier then – to being someone who like needs to go to the gym, I had to create my own workouts like I didn’t have a race that I was building up to. It took me a long time I wish you had existed then. (Lesley laughs) So, um can you can you because I think a lot of people listening probably were athletes in their childhood or even their high school days maybe even their in college and what what is it that like what are the some of the transitions that people don’t think about when they’re stopping sports? You know, completely.

Emily Coffman 6:37
Yeah, so there’s three buckets that are kind of breaks down into what you need to transition and so there’s the physical changes, there’s the mental changes and then the emotional changes, too. And a lot of times we like will focus on one like you had mentioned you’re like, “Okay, you know, I need to structure my workouts differently now or I need to be eating differently.” Some people will be changing those but then they still feel off, they still feel like, “Okay, why don’t I feel like I did as an athlete. I used to be so ambitious. I used to do all these things and I just don’t feel like that anymore.” (Lesley: Yeah) And so it has to be a mix of all of these things, right? You’re going through an identity change, you’re going through a loss, you have to grieve it like a loss of “Okay, maybe you’re losing your mentors, your support system, your hobbies,” like what is it that you loved about sports and structure like it was your structure of your day you spent the majority of your day doing that and so different things of… Okay, an everyday athlete – it’s a balance of being healthy both what you’re eating, how you’re moving your body – but then also making sure that you’re taking care of all the psychology that goes on behind it, all the mental health that goes behind it to of, you aren’t just going to be an expert at the next thing again like you can’t go from being a track runner in high school and you know, maybe go into district, maybe go into regionals whatever and then you start at the bottom of the totem pole (Lesley: Right) in college, right? Or you start at the bottom of the totem pole in business and we hate to be beginners again but that’s really what it is like you’re just transitioning into the next new thing.

Lesley Logan 8:06
Okay, I’ve just like, I mean obsessed with everything you’re talking about because I I think even if you were not a division one, you were a division one athlete, correct? (Emily: Correct …) Yeah. Even if you were if you’re listening like, “Lesley you know, Emily, I wasn’t a division one athlete I just was trying really hard.” It’s still it’s very similar like when you go from high school to college, there is structure to your day, you are a student there’s an identity like there’s things that we think about and then we get into the real world and all of a sudden we don’t have structure to the day unless you have a job that like does that for you. But also like we do go through identity change and there there is so much psychological like, “Who am I? What does this mean?” And I was recently watching the documentary “The Weight of Gold.” Have you seen that? That was (Emily: I love that one) that that was really emotional I have to be honest, I was like in tears on a plane which is basically the only time I watch things that make me cry and so people flying with me must think I’m crazy. But but I it’s so I think that the average person doesn’t understand when a star athlete even if it’s in a small town, when a star athlete goes from you’re the best at something and now you are a beginner or people just don’t even remember you retire. And, so I I am so grateful that your book is existing because it can help so many people the person is coming out of high school like career to a college career to an Olympic career. Can we talk a little about the structure of the day because I do think that is where people struggle the most is like how to structure a day based around like when they’re not going after, quote, unquote, “a goal of some kind like a race” like what are your best, like what did you have to do for yourself when you left collegiate sports?

Emily Coffman 9:46
Yeah, so for everyone, I kind of visualize it as being this domino approach. So, when you have dominoes, whatever that first thing is that’s kind of sets you off tips the first one over creates a chain reaction. And so you have to figure out kind of what that top domino is for you of where do you feel your best. What is that one thing that you’re going to do that sets you up for a great day? Because for some people that’s waking up early, and they do need that morning routine and waking up at the sunrise makes them feel great. (Lesley: That’s me.) I’m not … Yup, yup, see that’s you (Lesley: Yeah) but that’s not me. For me, the thing that’s my top domino that will kind of create the rest of my life in order is if I make sure I do a workout every day, if I get in a sweat, then I automatically I’m going to shower and probably dress up a little bit. And then also because I worked out, I’m going to eat a little bit healthier. And then, you know, it’s this progression. And so it’s hard to say like, “Okay, your day needs X, Y, Z.” But instead of trying to fit in five different things, identify like, “What’s that top domino? What’s that thing that’s gonna progress the rest of your day?” And that’s what you should fit in every day.

Lesley Logan 10:53
So that makes so much sense because I do struggle when we’re on like, vacation. Um, I have a really hard time, I have to get up and work out in the morning. It’s not like I can’t be on vacation. It’s that like, I can’t relax on the vacation if I didn’t do like a walk on the beach or go for a walk. I’m like, I enjoy the hotel gym like and it’s and it’s and again, it’s not because I can’t relax. It’s like, that is the domino that makes me feel like I gave myself what I need. I have the energy to take on whatever happens for the day so and I use I usually says like, “I like to beat the sun.” Like, I feel, it feels really awesome. Like this morning the sun was peeking out behind the mountains as I was leaving my dorm, like, “Ooo, it’s earlier than me.” (Lesley laughs) So, you know, and that’s like the little competition that I have with myself from my sports days, but that’s a great way of looking at it. Like everyone gets to figure out what their top domino is. So thank you for sharing that. You know, um, what what sports did you play? What was your sport?

Emily Coffman 11:49
I was a coxswain for the rowing team, if you know what that is.

Lesley Logan 11:51
No, I don’t. (Lesley laughs) (Emily: Okay, so for the rowing boat …) I don’t know rowing.

Emily Coffman 11:56
Yeah, so the rowing boat is about 70 feet long and then with the oars, it’s about 13 feet wide. So, it’s a huge boat. And so, as the coxswain want the back of the boat, that steering it, that’s instructing it and the only one facing forward and seeing where it’s going. So that’s what I did. So, I wasn’t actually rowing the boat.

Lesley Logan 12:13
Whoa, that’s so that’s a lot of pressure. (Lesley and Emily laughs)

Emily Coffman 12:18
Yeah. And it’s such a weird sport too, because I always feel like I was the least athletic athlete there is like I’m not actually like, you know, like sweating or working out or burning (Lesley: Right) calories when I’m at practice. It was kind of like this weird …

Lesley Logan 12:32
Like if you had to, you had to like work out when they were done working out. Like … (Lesley laughs)

Emily Coffman 12:36
Yeah, it’s more like being a coach almost, too.

Lesley Logan 12:39
Yeah, yeah, that’s such a … it’s my, my cousin was into that. And I really, when I was (Where was I?) I was in New Zealand and I was watching the teams go out on the water. And it was just such a, it looks so cool and it looks like … also looks like it’s crazy hard and very competitive. Like, I’m sure there’s a lot of things to think about. And so while you might have felt like the least athletic, you probably gonna be the most like, mindfully athletic there is in that. (Emily: Oh, yeah.)

Lesley Logan 12:42
So okay, so you decided to start a podcast during a pandemic. I feel like a lot of people had a lot of aspirations when the pandemic started, they’re like, “Okay, this is when I’m going to work out, I’m going to clean up my closet, I’m going to learn a new language…” We are at the time of recording this over a year outside of that, those aspirations and a lot of people probably… they’re back to their, like normal, their new normal lives and didn’t do all of those things. And I think people are really hard on themselves, they’re like, “I had these goals, and I couldn’t even do that.” So, how did you actually follow through with this goal? And then what would you say to people who maybe feel like, they can’t keep a commitment to themselves?

Emily Coffman 13:47
Yeah, so for me, I just try to take action before I overthink it. When I decided I wanted to start a podcast, I kind of learned the basics, right? What do I need? I got a microphone. How do I set it up, put up a website, like I did the bare minimum, and then I figured it out from there. And I think a lot of times we do the opposite. We are like, “Okay, I’m going to come up with the perfect title. And I’m going to come up with the perfect headline, and like pictures and all of that,” which is great. And now I’ve done, you know, a year later. But the benefit of how I started was because you’re taking action and you’re learning what works as you go along. Because if I had an idea about a podcast for three years and then acted on it. Well, it would feel like I built myself up for this, right? I’m like, “Oh, I can’t let myself down. You know, I’ve been thinking about this so long,” whereas I acted immediately and maybe I would have put out five episodes and realize it’s not for me. Okay, that was what a month of my life, two months of my life that would have been fine. But I enjoyed it. I ended up increasing the amount of episodes I put out. Then a year later I was like, “Actually, I’m not in love with the name. I’m not in love with this thing,” and I could tweak it from there, but I only knew that, I only knew that I wanted to change all this stuff because I started to act on it. And so, I think that if someone’s listening, and they’re like, “Yes, I have these troubles keeping commitments to myself, it’s almost, we build up the idea of all the things that need to get done.” (Lesley: Yeah) We’re like, “Oh, I have this huge to-do list and I need to go through it before I can actually accomplish that.” And if you just start tackling it one by one, what is the quickest way to get there? What is the quickest way and can you do that now?

Lesley Logan 15:27
Emily, you’re speaking my language. You are like, first of all, somehow you ever answered two totally different questions in the same answer. So way to go. Impressive. But also like we are all that messy action. And perfect is boring here at be it … I like, that is my thing. That is actually what is in part of all of the teachings that I do to help people like go from vision to a daily routine that supports their vision, right? And you it’s true, like, I I was like, we’re doing this podcast, we’re just gonna do it. We had a different microphone, I had a different headset, we’re doing a different thing. And the episodes that launch, I was like, “Well, I’m gonna practice what I preach. I’m gonna put it out there and it’s imperfect. And I don’t like the way it sounds and I don’t like this” but that you if I waited until I had the right microphone, like first of all, I wouldn’t even know if I the only reason we invested in is because I was like, “I’m having so much fun doing this. I want to do it better,” and so it’s totally right. I think people build it up too much. And then they, they can’t that it’s too big. And it’s it feels like climbing Mount Everest and you’ve only ever climbed up one flight of stairs. And so that is an incredible insight. And I feel like it’s if you want to learn new language, just start like download an app and see if you enjoy talking in a different language and if you enjoy learning, if you get curious and keep going if you don’t, it’s not a failure, you’re not failure. It’s just like that’s actually not lighting you up. That’s actually it was a good idea in in your mind.

Emily Coffman 16:51
Yeah, cuz then you take that pressure off yourself of, okay, you can change, you can pivot, you can quit and all those things and try something new. Try the next thing, right? Like it’s not like locking yourself in which I think is the biggest thing.

Lesley Logan 17:02
Yeah, it’s like um, so I have a friend Erika Quest, who always quotes “Humble the Poet.” And it’s like, we are not concrete, we are constructs. And I think it’s, you know, it even goes back to like relationships, like the longer a relationship goes, the harder it is to end it. And it’s like, “Well, actually, if you paid attention to the red flags in the beginning … it probably would have been easier.” We’re like, “We’ve been together for five years, like I need to keep this going, or I’ve been I’ve invested so much money in this podcast, like I got all the right mics and all the right lighting, so I’ve got to keep going with it.” And it’s you know, the messy action that just taking action, so you can try it on. And I love that so much, that was a genius. So, um Emily, what is it that you’re excited about right now? And what is your ultimate vision for Elite To Everyday Athlete?

Emily Coffman 17:52
Yeah, so part of my planning, you know, I kind of said how I don’t like to plan too much. And so I always look at kinda like the next three months. And so I try not to look too much further than that. But I try to always have a plan of “Okay, like, Where am I going?” And so the book is coming out at the end of August, which is, you know …

Lesley Logan 18:08
Stop that so soon? (Emily: Yeah, so it is says …) It might even be when you’re listening to this, it might already be out. (Lesley laughs)

Emily Coffman 18:15
Yes, yes. Um, so “Elite to Everyday Athlete” will be coming out. And so kind of my whole focus right now is like, “Okay, how can I reach as many of these athletes as I can,” because it’ll be right around the time that the Olympics are done. So people are retiring from that, all the summer NCAA championships will be retiring for that. And so my goal now is like, “Okay, I took this book, and I know who …. will help” so now how can I get it to them and that’s what I’m excited for.

Lesley Logan 18:45
So that thank you for that. And this is really exciting. Everyone, you know, we are recording this. I think it’s June, it my brain has never gotten to get back on a calendar since 2020. But um, so if this is after August, and go find her book, “Elite to Everyday Athlete.” I want to talk to you though, because I think for a lot of people like writing a book again, sounds really awesome. Or even like, like being an author, right? And before this book, like had you written a book before?

Emily Coffman 19:15
No. (Lesley: Okay) So I, it’s like the most embarrassing thing I actually found the last piece of writing that I published, and it was when I was in high school, I was in the like, journalism class, I was part of the newspaper, and it was a 200 word. (Lesley and Emily laughs) I probably turned it in just to get like a C in the class. Like, I was so against writing, but it wasn’t that I had an aspiration to write a book. It was I had an aspiration to get this message seen.

Lesley Logan 19:18
I love that, okay, because, um, you know, I think a lot of people would be it’s very easy to be like, “Okay, well and I have my book, then I’ll have this” and I believe that you have to go, you have to act as if you have written the book. And then that way you have, you know all the things. So how, how did you set your mind up and yourself up and your schedule up to actually approach something you’ve never done, something you really never thought you’d do? Like, what was that process for you?

Emily Coffman 20:17
Yeah, I love this question because it always relates back to me for fitness. So, how I like show up at the gym and how I set my fitness goals is how it shows up in the rest of my life. And so, as an athlete, you know, I would go to the gym every day, no matter if I was feeling like it or not. And some days I would go when I don’t feel like it, and it turned out to be a great workout. And some days I showed up and I didn’t feel like it. And you know what, maybe I could only give 50%. But I went regardless and so I used that same approach with my writing. I would set time, three times a week, like an hour block, “Okay, this is what I’m going to write.” And when the time came, was I inspired sometimes, yes, sometimes if the words were flowing, and sometimes it wasn’t, but I already had made that commitment to myself, just like I had done for the gym, if you’re going to show up regardless, and if something subpar comes out of it, well, at least it’s better than nothing. And sometimes, you’ll get a masterpiece when you weren’t expecting it. And so I think that breaking down whatever new goal you have, or whatever new thing you’re trying to take on with the same mindset of what has worked for you in the past? Because I’m sure that there’s something that you’ve been good at. Are you good at budgeting? Have you been good at your job? What about relationship building, whatever those fundamentals were there, you can apply to that new goal.

Lesley Logan 21:31
Oh, my goodness, it’s like we share a brain. I’m not kidding. Like, I it’s really true. Like, when I when I teach my Online Pilates Classes all, I’ll say, “You know, if you can’t do this exercise, do some that you can do.” And we’ll also find out what exercises the people in the in my members can do well, and I’ll make a whole reason that that exercise can help them with the things that they can’t do, or they think they can’t do. Because it’s true, like we can, we can take something that we’re really strong at somewhere else, and use it to be the momentum or the fuel, or at least get us there. And I I really love that. But it’s true when you’re an athlete, you show up to the practice, no matter what you don’t go, “Ah, I don’t really feel like it today, you’re like, nope, gotta go, gotta go for the team got to go because I got this race coming up, whatever.” And, and that is a mentality that we have with us. If we just apply it to other things, you know, we can all figure that out. And it’s those reps, you know, like, just the reps of showing up. Sandra Chuma was on and she was talking about, like, just the even thought, like, even if you think about writing, so like for you, just the thought about, “Oh, I’m gonna write today,” even if you didn’t do it, you go, “I’m so proud of myself for thinking about doing it.” Because it actually does help the brain want to show up tomorrow for that thing.

Emily Coffman 22:45
Yeah, exactly. And that’s another thing too, right? Just like thinking about it. Like, those are the ways that you can be easy on yourself, make it fun, like, if you force yourself into it, you’re not gonna enjoy, you’re not gonna want to sit down the next time to write. So if you are tackling something big, and you do it in smaller steps, like, be proud of yourself every time you work on it.

Lesley Logan 23:06
Yeah, I agree. I think that’s, you know, for … I think, you know, as an athletic perspective, and I feel like athletes, I find are a little harder on themselves, like for those smaller things. And you’re right, like when they go from the on the top, and then they’re a beginner at something again. What is it like, what do you think that is? Like, how do what is the thing that we could tap into that makes that being a beginner “Okay” or, you know, how do we get that switch going?

Emily Coffman 23:34
Yeah, I think that it’s just something that we learned by like talking about and normalizing because athletics is something different, we’re in a lot of other careers, you wouldn’t train at something for 15 years, you wouldn’t go to school to be a doctor for eight years, and then work for five years, and then “Oh, you got to retire” and find something new. Like, it’s just something that you don’t see and a lot of other places. And so, I think that you know, it can feel like sometimes like, “I’ll never be good at anything again. I’ll never get passionate about something like that again.” But just reme… keep reminding yourself a where you were at the beginning of your journey, you (Lesley: Yeah) didn’t show up to the first day of practice and try to try out for varsity, you showed up probably just running around the field running around the track. And then you enjoyed that. So you did it again and you did it again. And so that’s I have to find the next thing. You don’t find it because you’re like, “This is the next thing I want to be good at. But this is the next thing I enjoy and want to spend more time doing.”

Lesley Logan 24:27
Ah, that, again, less pressure on the thing, like you’re not saying, “Okay, this is the next thing I’m gonna try to like, perfect.” I was watching an Olympic athlete I think it’s Lolo Jones. She like was a track star and then she’s now like a bobsled… and I’m like, “Wow, that has to be, I feel like that has to be really hard to go from one sport where you’re the top to another sport and try to be at the top already because that’s like where you are in your career.” And then like and then what and so I was thinking to myself like, “I really struggled like with why I quit sports. I really had a hard time with it because I was like, but I’m not a quitter” and it’s like … I don’t know why like that’s like a thing that you know you’re … like, “I’m not a quitter” and it’s like, “No, actually I’m just moved on” you know, it’s something this is actually really funny I was walking my dogs this morning and we I turn them around early. We didn’t go all the way to the end of the street I like turn around early and they were kind of pulling I’m like, “I know you want to finish but we actually we’re not quitting, we’re just doing new route like that’s all we’re doing today it’s take a new route” and I was like I know I’m a crazy person who talks to our dogs but like you know I’m also saying to myself, “It’s like just because you didn’t finish,” in air quotes, “doesn’t mean you quit it just you know that’s the route you’re doing today and like be really like kind to yourself.”

Emily Coffman 25:43
Yeah, I love that that’s exactly how you have to phrase it like I think that’s once again when we set ourselves up for something and then when we’re actually doing it it’s like, “Actually it’s might look a little different. I’m being okay with that.”

Lesley Logan 25:53
Yeah. All right. So, well we could keep talking because I there’s so much that you like that you’re saying that I totally support and you know subscribe to and I feel like a lot of our listeners are even if they weren’t athletes they have that perfectionist mindset that like, “I got to do it right. It has to be right and it has he perfect,” I know I’m just saying the same things but like that’s what’s in their brain, right? Like that’s what’s going on and that holds them back. Where can people find you? What’s your favorite social media platform? Where where can they get more information about your book?

Emily Coffman 26:26
Yeah for some free resources on how to start going about this, some journaling prompts the first chapter of my book all for free at elitetoeverydayathlete.com and then if you want to follow me on social media it’s @liveyourpb or at Live Your Personal Best can follow me there.

Lesley Logan 26:42
I love that live … I you know it’s true all athletes and fitness instructors we do like cute plays on words but like “Live Your Personal Best” is like I mean of course like that’s just what an athlete is always going for so that is so fun. This conversation is great. You are amazing. You’re such a light and easy to you break things down in such an easy way. I can’t wait to hear what people’s first dominoes are so you’re def… everyone please definitely share that with us on on Instagram and tag Emily and myself. Okay, so I asked everyone this because it’s so fun to be inspired. You have given some great tips already but what would be like if you’re if you’re like going to tell somebody one or two things like what would be the thing that they could Be It Till You See It. So, BE IT for me something as bold, executable … it’s intrinsic, motivation or targeted approach. So, what do you have for us?

Emily Coffman 27:32
Yeah, so whatever that one thing is that you’ve been wanting to do maybe you’ve put it off or you don’t feel like you’re ready for yet. I would say just go for it now and that’s not something big of like, “Oh I want to quit my job” but it’s like showing up for a comedy class or trying a new workout or something like that. What you should take from this conversation is that you can just start now, start without the pressure, start without the commitment and start just because you’re interested in it. And so, I hope that if you’re listening there’s something that you’re interested in and to go out and try it.

Lesley Logan 28:03
Oh yeah, no, absolutely it’s so funny you say comedy class like, “I was like I think I’m going to be a comedian.” I people say I’m funny. I’m gonna go do that and I went to the comedy class. I went to three of them and the reality is as well there is a natural talent there y’all I will pat myself on the back. I legitimately don’t like to stay up late and when you’re starting as a comedian you are definitely going on at like 1 am, 2 am, 3 am and then even when you’re like, like have made it, you’re still at eight, nine, it’s a nightlife and I am not a night person and I was like, “I just don’t want to wait to be known enough to be the noon lunch comedian” like I just that’s not it. And so thankfully I only did three weeks but I was able to start it and like see if I liked it, tried it on, so that advice is so applicable. I hope you all do it. Emily thank you so much for this conversation. We’ll have to have you back, we’ll have to talk more about this there’s so much alignment and I’m really just so thrilled for your book and what you’re up to it’s it’s amazing and y’all she did all of this it was like a pandemic with her. So everything anything is possible you just have to get started like Emily said, and what I would love for you to screenshot this episode. Share it on the gram. Tag Emily at … Can you say your Instagram handle one more time. It’s also in the show notes. (Emily: @liveyourpb) @liveyourpb, super easy and the @be_it_pod. Tag us both with your takeaway so that we can see what you’re working on next. And until the next time, Be It Till You See It.

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Lesley Logan
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Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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Brad Crowell
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