How Do You Defeat

Imposter Syndrome?

Ep. 44 with Lesley & Brad

“Accept that you’re going to have imposter syndrome and still do it anyway.”

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Do it anyway… in the face of imposter syndrome. That’s tough! Today Brad and Lesley recap last episode’s interview with fitness expert Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe and really dig into how to get through that imposter syndrome, asking for help when you need it and the power of DMs.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • OnlinePilatesClasses.com is having a sale… https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/sale (for a limited time!)
  • Don’t let access to a studio/gym stop you from doing Pilates
  • The power of DMs
  • Asking for help when you need it
  • Correct and continue
  • Accept that you’re going to have imposter syndrome and do it anyway

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Lesley Logan
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Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the impressive conversation we had with, well, I had with Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe in our last episode. So you can go back and listen to that one. And then listen to this one. Or you can listen to this one and then that one or maybe you already listened to that one, (Brad: Maybe) cuz some of you are like on it like I am… Monday, we listen! So, you can feel free to pause this, listen to it or be awesome and keep going. (Brad laughs) Here’s the deal, y’all, first time in a long time, we are having a sale at OnlinePilatesClasses.com/sale. This is you know, we’ve never do this. Usually, it’s only for the challengers, but you can get in on one of our amazing annual memberships. It’s based on the equipment that you’ve access to. And it’s for like a few days only. So, if you are behind on your podcast, it’s over. (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
Yeah, normally, we don’t offer this outside of the people who are doing the challenge, which we’ve you’ve heard us talk about. So this is the first time that we’ve opened it up to the public, in addition to the challengers, so to find more information, you can go to OnlinePilatesClasses.com/sale.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Join OPC. Yeah, you know me. (Brad: Woah) Alright. Well, do we have a question from the listeners, my love?

Brad Crowell
We do this is great. I love it when when you know, we love connecting with you through Instagram. So, thanks for sending this in. “I’ve never done Pilates, can I get started on my own? Or do I need to go to a studio?” Well, let me tell you, no, just kidding. You can field this one, love. (Lesley: Okay) (Brad and Lesley laughs)

Lesley Logan
Honestly, like, you know, sure, I think a studio is great if you have access to one. I mean, there’s there’s awesome opportunities to be had when you’re in person, but you can totally get started on your own like that is even what Joseph Pilates wanted, he put his exercises in a book and hoped people would do them. And little plug here, at OPC we actually have an intro series that (Brad: Yeah) I created specifically so that people could get started on their own. And so many people have their 10 minute to 15 minute classes and they’re designed to prepare you to join all-levels class, whether that is an OPC class, or class at your gym or, or a studio. So the the reality is, is that not every exercise is for every body. Sometimes now, sometimes later or sometimes ever. And so the beautiful thing about Pilates is that every exercise is very compounding on to the next one. So when you learn the foundational exercises, you can pretty much just put them together and it becomes a more intermediate or advanced exercise. So yes, you can absolutely get started on your own. And, I hope you do with us because that’d be a lot of fun. But if not and you have a studio close by, go do it up. You know like that’s also nice. We have a lot of people who do both, they do OPC and they do a studio. So …

Brad Crowell
If you, if you don’t have access to a studio, and you’re still interested, we have been filming exercise tutorials for years, years on the website. (Lesley: Brad made me do it) (Lesley laughs) So, we have hundreds of them. Gaia agrees… we have hundreds of them. And you can go on… they’re free. So just go to OnlinePilatesClasses.com up in the menu, you’ll see free tutorials. And you know, you can (Lesley: Choose the mat.) Yeah. Also, if you do that intro to Pilates series that Lesley was talking about, there’s a quick guide on the left side that has a link to the free tutorial to explain each of the exercises that she’s taking you through during the three videos that you’d get with the intro series. So anyway, feel free to check that out. If you have any questions. Just just you know, chat to us.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And I love that you asked this question. It’s, you know, it might seem like something that people should just know on their own, but I didn’t know this until I started doing Pilates and, and you know, Pilates is the best thing you can add to anything you’re already doing. And so, I hope that you get started with us or we get started on your own and don’t let having, not having access to equipment get to stop you from getting Pilates in your body.

Brad Crowell
Okay, now let’s talk about Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe. I … that’s a that’s a name right there. I’m just sayin’. She because of that, she goes by JVB. She also goes by Jenny. (Lesley: Yeah) So, Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe is an inspiring body transformation specialist entrepreneur, fitness cover model, wife and mom of two after starting her fitness journey as a trainer at the age of 18. And eventually fainting on the gym floor from unhealthy eating and unhealthy exercising, she went back to school to study holistic nutrition. She is now the founder of an incredible community of strong women. Is also the President of Strong Fit Magazine. I think that’s a recent thing for her within the past year or something. And, she’s doing everything she can to support women live their best, helping them to live their best lives.

Lesley Logan
So cool. She’s so, she’s so freakin’ kind. And, I just …

Brad Crowell
It was pretty awesome that she was willing to be a guest. (Lesley: Oh, I mean …) Especially because I don’t know that we’d launched the pod yet, (Lesley: No.) when that (Lesley: No.) interview happened?

Lesley Logan
We ha… this interview y’all happened so long ago, the podcast wasn’t launched. And, here I am and me the President of Strong Fitness Magazine to interview with me. I’m like, I don’t know when this is actually going to go up because Apple hasn’t approved my podcast yet but …

Brad Crowell
Oh, that’s right. (Lesley: Yeah) We were supposed to be live. (Lesley: Yeah) But then Apple held us up for … (Lesley: Over a month.) Yeah, (Lesley: Yeah) like six weeks, I think.

Lesley Logan
It was insane. And she was still like, “Of course, no problem.” And she’s like, “You should be on my podcast.” And I was like, “Okay, great.” (Brad laughs) And now y’all like she consider her absolute friend. And (Brad: Yeah) she wants to come visit us in Vegas. And you know, (Brad: Really fun) it’s really cool. (Brad: Yeah) Never underestimate the power of like reaching out. You know what I tell y’all to screenshot our podcast and put a takeaway. So that’s actually how Jenny and I started talking. I screenshotted, screenshot, (Brad: Took a screenshot) I took a screenshot of a (Lesley laughs) that also sounds redundant. Anyways, at some point, I did a screenshot on my phone. And I tagged her and Amy Ledin, who was one of our guests because she was on Amy’s podcast. This girl is awesome. And in that podcast, she’s like, “Yeah, I’m launching a podcast.” And I was like, “That’s amazing.” So, I promoted Amy’s pod with her. And then I said, “I can’t wait to hear about your podcast. I know how tough it is to launch, we’re in the middle of launching our own. So, you know, just let me know when you launch. I’m happy to promote it.” And she’s like, “That’s amazing.” We saw this whole conversation back and forth. Then when her podcast launched, I promoted it. She was so grateful. And then she’s like, “I need to have you on my podcast.” And I was like, (Brad: Cool.) “I want to have you on mine.” So, (Brad: Cool.) let me just say the power of DMs, it happens when you tag someone you are literally have access to them. And most people do not give up the power of their DMs to an assistant or to anybody else. So you could be you could literally be talking to the person who you are inspired by or have taken advice from and then you can talk to them and who knows they become a friend.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. That’s amazing. (Lesley: Yeah) Well, so she was telling us her, I mean actually, it was a really great convo, you you covered a lot of ground. (Lesley: I know) Everything from her story of how she got into starting her community to then accepting the role as the President of Strong Fit and why she did that. And yeah, anyway, it was just a lot.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, well, I really loved when she talked about asking for help when you need it because this has been this is something that’s really hard for me to do. And, it’s always a good reminder. I’ve gotten so much better because as our companies grow, and as our dogs grow like this, you just need more help than you can’t, you can’t, you can’t get away from asking for it. And when it’s so amazing when you ask for help, the people that stepped forward to do it, it just real… makes you realize, like, look at all the work that I’ve put out there that people want to be supportive and held back. So, I just think that’s a great reminder for us all. It’s like, “If you need help ask for it.”

Brad Crowell
Yeah, she was talking about, specifically with her family. You asked her, “How, how can you possibly run a company, be the President of a magazine and have two kids?” (Lesley: Yeah) You know, and she said, “Well, I have help.” I, she said it was really, she felt very guilty at first for hiring a nanny. And she said, but it took a little bit of time. But she’s shifted her view to be grateful for the influence that this nanny is able to have in her kids lives, that it’s a second influence in her kids lives. So helping them become more than just, you know, what she and her husband are sowing into them. But also now there’s, there’s another perspective. And, I thought that was really an amazing way to look at it. Also, the the she said that the mom guilt never goes away. But because the you know, they’re able to be close to the grandparents, and you know, have a team around them asking for help has been easier to do. (Lesley: I love that.) Yeah.

Lesley Logan
I think it’s great. I think you know, also some of those people that you ask for help, because you’re hiring them, you are changing their lives and the people around them, because this nanny is (Brad: Yeah) doing something that she really wants to do. She’s able to pass along great and like advice and support these two kids. And then she goes home to her family. (Brad: Sure) And to people that are in her life. And, so I think we, I think we forget that when you hire people to help you with something you’re passionate about, that it allows them to do something that they love and get paid for it, and then spread that to the people around them. So you know, (Brad: Yeah) ask for help when you need it. That’s what I loved. What did you love?

Brad Crowell
Well, she said, she, she said, “Being a mom is, it forces you to be more organized,” and she was missing her workouts. And she said as her kids are getting older they are sleeping till seven. And so she decided to set aside time for herself in the mornings and get her workout in early. And it made me realize that we’re we’re on the right path, right? If she can be running a team, running a company, being a mom, you know, and still making time for herself. You know, she did talk about self care. She did talk about, you know how amazing she feels to tackle the rest of the day after she’s gotten her workout in. And I love that, that we’ve been focused on that with the challenge. (Lesley: Yeah) The “Me, Myself and I” theme for this recent challenge. You know, because it’s it’s a, it’s it’s a great indicator, you know …

Lesley Logan
Yeah. I always love when I hear people promoting the same things that we are talking about, because it’s a little confirmation that I’m not just making up something that (Brad: Yeah) I think it’s important. And also like, I think it’s really easy for people to hear me say that and go, “Yeah, Lesley must be easy for you. You don’t have kids.” But when you hear another mom say it (Brad: Yeah) a woman who is running a company say it. It’s like, “Yeah, and she does it too.” And it’s because it’s that important. It’s so important to have that precious time and, and you know, maybe you don’t even work out, maybe to sit in the sunshine, or sit in the darkness. I don’t know what time you’re getting up. And like, be still and just have quiet time. Like whatever time aside looks like for you is you get to decide that but it is so important that we do that. And, I’m glad she brought that up too.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, and for some, you know, honestly, it might simply be clocking out because working from home, it’s so easy to work late. (Lesley: Yeah. Keep working) You know, and and maybe maybe it’s you know, “Okay, it’s dinner time, I’m finished now. I’m done working.” And that could be the first place to start. But all right, finally, let’s talk about those BE IT action items that you covered with Coach JVB, with Jenny. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo with her? The thing that I really that was like, “Okay, cool that that makes a lot of sense.” Was the very end she said, “Correct and continue,” I’m pretty sure it was like (Lesley: Yeah) the very last thing she was (Lesley: Yeah) talking about. Correct and continue. And, I thought that was so great because you know, we talked about before taking baby steps, small steps, stepping stones, whatever, that whole idea, you know of moving the needle forward. And, it’s also the the idea of very back in the very beginning when we were talking about the staircase, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, you don’t, you know, like the direction with ro… Yeah, Rob Mack, you know the that there’s the staircase there, you know the way you’re going, but you might not know exactly every single step. And I love this addition to it, correct to continue, take a step forward, if that’s still the right step, great. If not correct, then take another step forward, if not correct, then take another step forward. So that that I thought was awesome. It’s really amazing to conceptualize that.

Lesley Logan
Well, it takes the perfectionist out of it, and like, just to bring it back to Pilates, because that’s what I love. When you’re doing Pilates exercise, if it’s, you know, like, I was just teaching Brad this morning, (Brad: Woah) actually. And, I gave him a correction, and he continues to move. And so it’s not like we stop, we gotta have a moment about it, we got to do a lecture about it. We got to like, beat ourselves up about it. It’s like no … (Brad: It’s a family meeting) just needs to press into his feet more and keep going. Right? So, I think it’s one of the things that I truly love about how our Pilates practice can really help us train us for life is that as you’re doing the movement, if you’re like, “Oh, I’m not feeling this in the right spot,” you just go ask yourself, “Okay, oh, that I need to pull my ribs a little bit more, or I need to pull my shoulder and my back” and you just keep continuing on. Cause the body will teach itself. And as you are doing things in your life, and you make these corrections, you continue. What’s cool is your body and your brain remember that and they go, “Oh, the last time we went through that (Brad: Right) this happened.” (Brad: Yeah) And so you, you aren’t having to revisit that lesson all unless you want to, over and over again. So yeah, (Brad: Dating the same person. What?) Yeah (Lesley laughs) We stopped doing that …

Brad Crowell
Correct and continue. (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan
Yeah, okay. Well, my biggest takeaway is, accept that you’re going to have imposter syndrome and still do it anyway. And I this is, this is actually something really, I think is important because I’m hearing a lot of people call it an imposter syndrome is the reason why they’re not doing something. And Brené Brown even had a talk about it on one of her podcasts recently. I’m not actually sure if it was she was on someone else’s, or it was hers. But there’s so much blaming the imposter syndrome. And that’s like the excuse to not do something and I’m not saying the imposter syndrome doesn’t exist, it 100% does. But using it as a reason to not do something is actually a problem. That’s, that’s actually not cool. Imposter syndrome is going to be there because in theory, if you’re trying something new, you are in fact, an imposter, period. So you have to just go “Okay, I feel like an imposter because I’m new at this and I’m gonna do it anyway.” So that’s really what courage is. And so, you know, I just I love that she brought that up as a as a BE IT action item. (Brad: Yeah.) So, because it’s like …

Brad Crowell
She was talking about her podcast and starting the pod. (Lesley: Yeah.) And (Lesley: Oh, my God,) and she’s like, “Well, it’s something I was wanting to do.” But she thought, you know, “Who am I to be” You know, (Lesley: Same) (Lesley laughs) on a pod. You know, like hosting it and so, yeah, I you know, but the key was still doing it anyway.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, because same I even told her how hard it is when I was on her podcast, I said, I’m just like, “What am I doing? Like, why would anyone listen? What if I waste people’s time?” (Brad: Sure.) But we did it anyways. And the reality is, as soon as it went up, that imposter syndrome goes like went away because now I am Podcaster. We’re on episode 42, episode 43, 44 actually, I’m looking at the notes. I can count. So anyways, um, yeah, when you’re feeling imposter sydrome, so just feel and go, “Oh. That’s imposter syndrome right now.” And then go anyways, “I’m going to do it anyways.” (Brad: Yeah) Because you I promise you, you want to do it when like, you are new at something and don’t have a ton. You’d like it’s not like you want to be like, “Okay, I want to wait to have a million followers. And then I’m gonna be good enough to do X, Y, and Z.” Yeah. Now you’re gonna launch for the first time for a million people. I’d rather do five, I’d rather do it in front of five people. (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
Yeah. (Lesley: So) That’s true. (Lesley: Anyways) Amazing!

Lesley Logan
Well, this is awesome. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
And, I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Thank you so much for joining us today. We’re so grateful you’re here. I hope you enjoyed listening to Jenny’s interview. And we’d love to know how you use her tips, these tips and your life. So, take a screenshot, tag Jenny, tag she’s @coach_jvb, tag @be_it_pod and let us know your your takeaways. And that way we can see them and be inspired. I know it’ll be a gift to her. And then if you have questions you can DM to @be_it_pod, we’ll answer them on the next episode. Until then, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Kevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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