Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the stabilizing convo I had with Jenny Swisher in our last episode, if you haven’t yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now and go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us. (Brad: Yeah.) I think it could also have been a synchronicity, or a synchronized synchronized convo because that would go with her SYNC. Anyways, just just my notes. Oh my God, I love my team. Okay. So y’all, we are literally flying to Chicago as you if you’re listening to in real time.

Brad Crowell
No, we’re in. We’re in Chicago cur… at the current moment. (Lesley: Well, no.) Yeah, (Lesley: We’re not.) we’re in Chicago.

Lesley Logan
We fly at night. Okay. I love it. Now we’ll start over that. We are, so we’re currently in Chicago at Pilates on tour. It’s my first time back to Pilates on tour for Balanced Body speaking for them since 2019, actually. So that’s really exciting. And I brought Brad this time, because last time I just, I did it alone. And it’s way more fun when Brad’s there. So mostly because people just go, “Where’s Brad?” And so it’s just easier to bring him and then they can ask him how he’s doing. Also, if you’re not in Chicago, we got something special going on. Y’all, remember John Mollura from the pod and we actually had him do a course for us at Profitable Pilates. And it’s really great. It is all about like, getting past your like imposter syndrome. And y’all I know that this is a course you’re like, “Oh, yeah, I need to do that.” And then you’ll like, “I won’t buy that one because you’re like, I need this strategy on how to actually get more clients.” I promise you right now. What’s keeping you from work clients is not a strategy. It’s your mindset. And so you need this course. And it’s 30% off this week only. And if you’re listening to this, and you know, a year from now, it’s not on sale, but it’s still great. And you should get it. It’s like amazing stuff. And then we come back and sale is over. We have our Vegas retreat at our house. (Brad: Yeah.) We are so excited. My sister is coming up to help us, which is really, it’s gonna be so fun.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, it’s gonna be an amazing week. We’re gonna be doing Pilates in the morning and digging into the customer journey for businesses for both brick and mortar and online businesses. (Lesley: Yeah.) Plus, we’re gonna have a photo shoot.

Lesley Logan
I know. So fun …

Brad Crowell
… we’ve got another a new restaurant that we’re bringing for lunches. You’re …

Lesley Logan
We’re, we’re so obsessed with this place. (Brad: Yeah.) We had them deliver every meal during the week of Mini. And then because I’m not sick of it yet. They are also delivering (Brad: Yeah.) our lunches for the retreat, which I’m so stoked about. (Brad: Yeah.) It’s amazing local restaurant. And then we recover from all this, and then we head out to Cambodia.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, we do. I can’t wait …

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Oh my gosh. If you are wanting to get the course it’s profitablepilates.com/courses. If you’re wanting to come on the Cambodia retreat, it is lesleylogan.co/retreat. These links are in the show notes and there’s a really fun thing you can do on your phone, everyone, you just go to the pod, and you’ll see it. It’s like a play or a pause thing. And if you just keep swiping it up, it actually has a bunch of notes that our team does a really good job, making sure you can get all the bullet points, (Brad: Yeah.) our Instagram handles all the links to anything I talk about, like I just like, say something and then they’re like, “Oh, here’s the link for that.” So they’re all there to help you out.

Brad Crowell
Absolutely. Yeah, I think and bravo our team spends a tons of time putting everything together just for you. So if you haven’t ever checked that out, take a peek.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, so we’re gonna talk about Jenny Swisher today.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, but first we had an audience question. And this is two recaps in a row. It’s a very personal question. So this is another one for Lesley. And, again, talking about personal health. And the question was, “Is it true that there was a number of years where you never had your period?”

Lesley Logan
Correct. There was many years. I didn’t really, I, you know, like I was definitely of the generation of woman who’s like, “I don’t want a period.” And I hope someday that we like teach children, boys and girls what a period is. We talked about that with Jenn Pike on her episode. Because it would be really great if we didn’t see this negative thing. Anyways, I, it was inconsistent through junior high in high school, and I did have one, they were awful. And so when I was put on birth control to make them easier, I ended up ended up getting a blood clot, actually. But I was on a particularly new birth control and my doctors had told me that the blood clot was from the car accident and I was in and not from the patch I was on. And so, which I was like, “Okay, well, that makes sense. Like the blood clot was in the same way the head injury, no big deal, I was on bedrest.” But then when I met with a doctor years later, and I told her about my family history, she looked at everything she was like, “You should not be on hormones.” So then she took me off the birth control, which by the way, birth control, which as you all know, is not a real period. So it was just telling my body to have a period. But I actually like you’re not going through a cycle. So when I got off the birth control, it’s not abnormal. I didn’t have one, because my body had to like, re figure out what it does, but it had never figured that before the birth control. So like, it just, I had no idea what normal was for me. And so it didn’t come back, I went through acupuncture for fertility, just to bring it back, and it didn’t bring it back. And so it took, it took a copper IUD to bring it back. And I don’t necessarily recommend that I wish I’d had. I wish I had …

Brad Crowell
Or even, even after that, you know, with your health,

Lesley Logan
I lost it during, I lost it during my health stuff, because I got too lean. So I got my body fat percentage went too low.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, and high stress (Lesley: Yeah.) and the lack of sleep (Lesley: Yeah.) and the combination of all the things that were those (Lesley: Yeah.) that were going on (Lesley: I forgot about that period of time.) like basically eliminate your body was just like, we’re just gonna skip this part of it.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, we’re not doing that. Your body will do some interesting things that keep you fucking alive. So so at any rate, I wish I had known what I know now about things like I think I would have, I think I would have handled it all differently to get the period back at the first place. And I think I would have been …

Brad Crowell
What does that specifically mean? What would you have done?

Lesley Logan
So there is a book called the After the Pill or Beyond the Pill, After the Pill. And it is it really is a very educational book on like, what happens when you go off birth control … (Brad: Beyond the Pill.) Yeah.

Brad Crowell
And that is A 30-Day bal… Program to Balance Your Hormones, Reclaim Your Body, Reverse the Dangerous Side Effects of the Birth Control Pill. (Lesley: Yeah.) And that is by Jolene Brighten, Doctor.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, yeah, so I wish I had had like just any preparation whatsoever for that. And I also wish I would have known how key to your health having a period is, like how it actually is a natural period is, how it is a sign of things working out well. And I I think I probably also when I lost it again, during my health with my stomach would have probably been able to fight a little bit more for myself or at least done more research myself if I really understood the power and have it all and it and now we’re good, we’re good to go. Everything is and what we’re learning with a new cycle is because we don’t have the IUD anymore. So ladies if you are on some sort of birth control, I’m not saying get off of it, I am saying it is worth educating yourself around those things and because there are there are things around long term birth control use that are not great. However I didn’t have one I I also didn’t have doctors around me that were concerned. Their was their responses really were well it just takes time. Well you didn’t you were on this roll so it takes time. My my acupuncturist seemed very concerned I was trying her darndest Jamie had me drinking every fucking tea weird, tea out of the sun. So awful but um if you are someone who is excited to skip your period or how are you are with that one and not really worried about it, I’m not saying go get stressed out about it because I would never want you to do that but it is it is important important part of like the the female body and the health of it and and you know go back and listen to Jenn Pike’s episode. I might have brought up on Dr. Bender’s episode and then Jenny Swisher is is also she’s got so much information for you. You should check out her site and I’m trying out this little doodad.

Brad Crowell
She’s about to release an app.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, she’s got an app and I’m I’m trying out this little doodad.That she’s got because basically just saying your hormones are off and if your hormones are off (Brad: Yeah.) it is a it’s only a matter of time before it’s not just your sexual hormones that are off. It’s going to affect your sleep. It’s gonna affect your digestion and we’re all we’re not compartments.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, this is a perfect, perfect transition right into talking about our guest, Jenny Swisher.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, let’s talk about her.

Brad Crowell
Okay, now let’s talk about Jenny Swisher. From a struggle that started in her 20s having to do with chronic migraines, and hormone imbalances, Jenny Swisher has been on a lifetime journey to have of self discovery and becoming her own best doctor. She is a Holistic Health Coach, a mom, she’s an advocate for women working with their hormones, for total wellness, and hormones is the key. It’s really, really an interesting conversation what you have with her. Stuff I never thought about, didn’t know about, really fascinating. Her mission is to bridge the gap between the medical community and functional wellness. So I, I it was a very revealing conversation. I know that we described it as a stabilizing convo, it is stabilizing. But but first off, she talked about she talked about stuff that I had never really considered before. And the logic that she presented behind it was was pretty straightforward. And I was like, “Oh, okay, well, this is important. (Lesley: Yeah.) I don’t know, why I never knew this before.”

Lesley Logan
Well, I think what’s interesting, I, I’m gonna sound like some weirdo. But I just need to say this. Most of the issues that we have the solution to the problem has very little to do with drugs. (Brad: Right.) And because no one can make money off of the solution. No one promotes a solution. But really, like, it is it’s it’s it’s very interesting thing that if we just had these answers from when we were children getting to know our bodies, then we would know things were off. So

Brad Crowell
Yeah, what I wanted to, I’m just going to quickly recap and I’ll keep this brief here because you can, and you should go back and listen to her episode. But for context about what were the points we’re going to go through here, I think, I think that it’s important to remember, she talks about the four legged chair. (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) The analogy of how your hormone, your hormones, your endocrine system, like the four legs of the endocrine system. And the first leg is your sex hormone, sex hormones, which she said is progesterone, and other things. The second is your cortisol or your adrenals and that’s your sleep and stress. The third is your thyroid. And then the last is your blood sugar. And so your hor… sex hormones, cortisol, your thyroid and your blood sugar. Those are the four legs of your hormonal, your endocrine system. And she said they all sit on top of your gut health. Right. So your gut health will affect each and every one of those. And they all will affect each other because she obviously said if you cut off an inch of your, you know, the leg for the, you know, your thyroid, it’s going to affect the other three legs because the (Lesley: Yeah.) chair will be wobbly. Right. So those are what one we’re what we’re about to go through with the different points that we’re talking about. Just keep that in mind, she’s talking about the four leg, four legs of your hormone your endocrine system.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So what I love that she said I love that she brought up is that research for dieting, fasting, working out has been done mostly on men. So like, and this is very true. This is not an opinion. Like there’s so much research on this. We’ve been one of our favorite shows John Oliver even did a whole thing on this. And there was a whole science experiment on this like cancer research on ovaries and the people didn’t have ovaries there were men, they were men. (Brad: Right.) And so it’s like, what the…

Brad Crowell
How are you possibly doing research on a body that doesn’t have the organs.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And so this means the typical workout calendar schedule is not designed for women. So if you are trying to lose weight or get healthy, whatever, whatever that means to you and or just have a better sleep cycle. A lot of the research out there is for a men’s hormonal cycle which is 24 hours and ours is between 28 and 31 or 32 days, so it’s just not going to work. So she brought up you can cycle sync your workouts for maximum benefits, which is like you could your, and there, you could compare your workouts to your hormones. So it’s like, I do this all the time I use an app that helps me just like tells me like, “Oh, these are the types of workouts you can do right now.” (Brad: Yeah.) And so it’s actually made a massive difference in my energy levels, my ability to recover from a workout, my, my improvements, the strengths I’ve been able to make. And I also am a lot kinder to myself when I fucking don’t feel like it. (Brad: Yeah.) Oh, well that.

Brad Crowell
Also, too, I think that, you know, from the sitting on the sidelines here, it helps me as your partner to know, why are you not doing the thing? Right. Because it was specifically for me work, we work together, y’all. If you didn’t figure that out. We filmed classes for OPC. And often she would have them on her calendar. And it would be, like, really stressful for me when she had to film during the week. And I was like, “This sucks. I don’t want to be around you when you’re filming classes.” Because if something would go wrong, it was like a really big deal. If something got like, if there was loud noises, it would become a really big deal. And I was like, “I can’t control everything. I try but it’s not possible.” And it was super stressful for me. And it felt like I was walking on eggshells, and then …

Lesley Logan
We moved the classes to a different week of my cycle. (Brad: Yeah, you …) Yeah, it’s like so much fun.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I didn’t think about this. But like, we were just like, “Okay, on the second week of every month, you’re gonna film and that was just our work schedule.” Right. And so not just your work out schedule, but you know, working to this will affect your work. And then when we when you said, “Hey, what if we changed it?” And then and you explained me why I was like, “I mean, for me, I was like, whatever, I don’t care, we’ll move it to whatever other week it doesn’t matter.” And it has been night and day difference for me.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Yeah. And, and actually, because, um, because my cycle at is was eight days and now without the IUD is like four days where we’re on a journey … (Brad: Yeah.) had to change the week that it’s happening. And this is gonna piss up everybody because like, I was gonna switch it but at the same time, like it, I really do …

Brad Crowell
But you’re aware of that. (Lesley: Yes.) Like, that’s amazing.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And so I, I’m, I was like, I this is not something I am a professional knowledge person. And like Jenny is, but like, ever since I discovered this and like, how many experts can I get on the show to talk about this, because most of people listening this are females, or identify as one. And the reality is that you are going to have days where you do not want to show up in front of people. (Brad: Sure.) So when you are aware of that in your cycle, you give yourself permission to go go inward and and reflect on what you’ve done this month, what has worked, what’s going on, and then you make plans for when you’re ready to bloom up and like be out there in the world. So you can ‘be it till you see it’ during those days where it feels so comfortable. So ready, instead of like fighting with it and trying to make sure that every single day it looks like the next day. You’re not a dude. It’s not gonna work. (Brad: You’re not a dude. Yeah.) Now they have their own thing they have to worry about but that’s a different person’s be it till you see it podcast.

Brad Crowell
Well, I really loved that. She said, you can become obsessed with something to the point where you become an expert.

Lesley Logan
I know I think some people get a little weird about like their obsession around things. And it’s like it goes back to last week’s episode, like your pain becomes your program like friggin why not you be the expert if …

Brad Crowell
Well, I definitely I understand this. But I, but I I got a little weird about you know, Jenny Swisher has been on a lifetime journey of self discovery and becoming her own best doctor. And literally that one word ‘doctor’ made me go, “How can she be her own best doctor?” Right. And I think that not in a literal sense of I went to med school and I’ve got a degree from University that note says I had the title of doctor, but more in the figurative sense of a doctor supposed to be a proponent of your health, is supposed to be able to help you in your health. And so you know, you she became obsessed with something meaning the anatomy of you know, her female anatomy, her like the inner workings of her body, how it was all working and specifically the struggles that she was having from migraines, right because she said the migraines were debilitating. They weren’t just like, “Oh, I had an headache.” It was like two days of her 100% out commission could not function migraine and how does that happen? And her conclusion after not been getting the results that she needed from going to a doctor was “oh my hormones are actually affecting the what my migraines. And specifically, it was when she had gone off of birth control. And so and she said, it took her years to put the dots together and be like, when I stopped birth control, I started getting migraines. She didn’t know how she didn’t see it before, but suddenly became very clear. And then okay, now, how can I resolve that since I don’t want to go back on birth control? And that literally sent her down this whole path.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, so she is her own best doctor, because doctors were not able to put those together either.

Brad Crowell
And now she can legitimately say I’m an expert on these things. I mean, she’s, she’s been studying it for, you know, (Lesley: years) years, right. (Lesley: years) She’s been working in it, studying it, talking about it, reading about and all these things for so many years. And so while she may not be able to be hired to diagnose someone, in a medical sense, from that way, she can provide you a lot of information around the subjects (Lesley: Well …) from her own experience.

Lesley Logan
I think she has a course and it goes back to all the things she’s developing. And then you can take that information.

Brad Crowell
She actually has a quiz. (Lesley: Yeah, you can …) yeah, the hormone imbalance quiz. And we will make sure to include that we included in the show notes of last last episode, we will include it again in this one.

Lesley Logan
And then you can take all that information, and then you can go back to Jessica Valant’s episode, and then advocate for yourself where it is needed. And I think I was so excited to have these two women back to back because I like I said in the last episode, I really do see, one of the big things holding women back from showing up the way they want to on this planet is their health issues. And, and one can be also around their cycle, if your cycle is off. Again, there are we talked about it, I believe in Jenn Pike’s episode like about the different phases of your cycle. And the truth is, is if you are trying to do something outside of what your cycle wants to do, you’re not going to feel very good about it. And then you’re going to, and then because most women who listen to this, do this, you start to shame blame judge yourself. (Brad: Sure.) And then that spirals you out of being it till you see it. And so I really want…

Brad Crowell
Yeah and then it jacks up your habits that you’ve created for yourself, because you know, it just hijacks everything.

Lesley Logan
Hijacks everything. So I (Brad: Yeah.) just really, I really wanted to have these two ladies together. And like I said, I’ll have more women’s health advocates on because I really do see like, sometimes it’s not the next habits or mindset mantra is oftentimes like your body and how you feel in it (Brad: Yeah.) and all that. So anyways, I like what you liked.

Brad Crowell
And I think also too, there’s a there’s this idea of the 10,000 hours, you’re an expert in your field or that kind of stuff. I mean, I think that one of the exercises that I love to do with those who come through Agency, our fitness business coaching program, is I work backwards with them and I say, okay, how long have you been teaching? And they say, oh, 10 years. Okay, amazing. How long did you study before you were allowed to teach? Oh, a year, two years, something like that. Okay, what are the certification programs that you did? How many hours were those programs? Oh, 600 hours. 200 hours. Oh, it was a weekend. Oh, it was a it was a whole year. Whatever. Right. And then, okay, how much have you been teaching in that time? Oh, I’ve been teaching, you know, 10 clients a week for eight years. Amazing. Add up all those hours, what what, you know, you’re probably like, you have you’ve probably 1000s of hours of experience under your belt with this thing that you’re doing, whether it’s yoga, or Pilates or whatever it is. And the reality is, the more you stay focused on something, the more you are an expert at it. So it’s, it’s plausible to also look at your life and be like, “Wow, I’m an expert in this thing.” (Lesley: Yeah.) So that’s pretty cool.

Lesley Logan
It is really cool. I really think I think she’s amazing. I really am into what she’s doing. So I hope you all are having fun getting synced with her.

Brad Crowell
All right, so finally let’s talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Jenny Swisher?

I’m gonna go first, we’re gonna make sure you’re eating enough of the right foods. Okay. And she said, specifically, most women, it needs to increase their protein intake.

Lesley Logan
Oh, most people we just told my fath, my father, (Brad: Yeah, your dad, the same thing.) Yeah, most people are not actually eating enough protein. And ladies, especially as you’re going into menopause, you’re gonna frickin want to do that. So I say that because like, I think it’s I think that’s the next phase that I’m going to my life and I like like, where’s the protein? So, but yeah, I love this. I love this take and I think so I think you just, I don’t know, most women … most women increase their protein intake. I’m not really sure how to help you with that as far I was like, obviously, there’s shakes and there’s animal proteins, I would definitely make sure if you’re taking doing shakes, please watch the ingredients that are put into these things, make sure they come from a reputable source, like do your research, but also count them. Like …

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I think that’s what we can recommend to you. Because we can’t tell you if protein is what you need more of or not. It’s just a generalization. But what Jenny was saying is that you have to be eating the right foods. How do you know if you’re eating the right foods? That’s something that you’re gonna have to figure out with bloodwork and doctors and stuff like that where you know, you know, like, “Oh, I’m going to need more of this thing.”

Lesley Logan
I think a simple thing you can do though, is just for one week, track your protein like look at if you’re having like a chicken breasts, like, like weigh the chicken breasts, so you can find out how much protein is in that you don’t have to weight it forever. But like, once you have an idea, like, oh, the chicken breasts, the size of my hand is this much protein. (Brad: Yeah.) Then you’ll always know that. And so you can you don’t have to do this forever. You don’t have to, like I know, like, for a lot of people, like the last thing they want to do is actually count their grams of protein. But it’s not the same as counting calories. It’s very specific. And so you can see on average, how much you’re getting. And it really I have heard from many, many a medical professional a gram for every pound weight. Or …

Brad Crowell
So this is macros. Is this what we’re talking about effectively. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah, yeah.) Which I know nothing about.

Lesley Logan
Yes. So if you are interested in macros coaching you we can go back to several guests, Launa McClung, Giselle Schroer, and Amber Shaw. And they all can tell you how the hell you should count your proteins. (Brad: Yeah.) But, um, but I have a we had Jennifer van Barneveld-Pe on, and she just had a podcast about like, actually, you know, it’s, if you don’t want people to see weighing your food, you can simply say, I’m working on making sure I’m getting enough nutrients in my system. And I’m doing it for the week to see on average, what I’m doing that doesn’t have to be a weird thing. But you can’t you can’t make sure you’re doing that unless you track it for a while. And then you could at this point in my life with certain things, I don’t have to do those things. I’m like, I know how much protein is in my my thing here. So I know that stuff. But it is a key thing that we it’s very easy ish thing to add in.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. (Lesley: So) Yeah. Yeah, it’s a it’s not quite as complicated as it used to be. So. Okay. Well, (Lesley: Now it’s my turn.) What about you?

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So, y’all, if you have a cycle, I want you tracking it. So she’s developing an app. There are other apps out there. I do know that in the current US climate a lot of people are afraid of doing that. So I am aware of that. However …

Brad Crowell
I think there’s actually lawsuits about it right now (Lesley: Yeah.) happening in the US court system (Lesley: Yeah.) about effectively sharing information. Like abortion argument happening here in our country (Lesley: everywhere)Yeah, I’m sure you all know. But basically, the fear is that the apps …

Lesley Logan
Well, they’re not HIPAA compliant so they can sell people’s information and they already have it.

Brad Crowell
If the apps, aren’t HIPAA compliant. But either way, even so the fear is still that the police, police enforces, (Lesley: Yeah.) you know, can tap into this information. Anyway, there’s a huge court case happening right now, to block them from doing that.

Lesley Logan
You don’t want to use an app, you can use your own calendar and just, you know, make sure that you you can put like a P on there, you could put like a red heart or something. And then you what I would highly recommend you do is like do that every day of your cycle. And then go back to the first day and have it repeat in 20 days. And if they’re a little earlier, a little late, then you can adjust and you should be able to see if you are I’m on a 28 day cycle as I meant while I was we’re going to find out what that is now that it’s a four day period. Anyway, sorry, I shouldn’t be jumping through I just said like we should like love our periods, but I would from eight to four. So you all this is like my life has changed. But do whatever you can do I do use an app, I am unaware if they are protecting the … or not if they have any protection. I’ve been emailing them to find out. But but the app is actually out of different country. So I’m not even sure that it is like that a problem that I have to worry about. I like it because it does tell me where what phase I am in. If you’re someone where you are beyond a monthly cycle, you are in menopause, please go with the moon cycle and use the moon cycle as your cycle and that will actually help you to know when you are waxing and when you are waning in your hormones. And so there’s a lot of research you can do on that. And then …

Brad Crowell
Yeah actually, I just pulled up Jenny’s website while you were sharing that and she actually has an entire episode of her podcast dedicated to tracking your menstrual cycle (Lesley: Great.) from April 5th 2022. We will leave the I’ll link to her website in the show notes where you can see her blog posts around that and you can listen to her episode as well.

Lesley Logan
Yeah and then I also love that she said find a functional medical practitioner near you. This is really helpful she gave actual steps so you can go back and listen to that on how to do it but honestly like just because and I love that she said there’s just because there are functional medicine doctors I mean the right one for you and then you can listen back to Jessica Valant episode and our recap episode about finding a doctor that works for you. It is annoying when the first doctor you go to isn’t the right doctor. Keep going. (Brad: Yeah.) Keep going there right people out there for you and I love my, we had Dr. Bender on. I love her because I’m like, she’s been also following like how my health and stomach will change after I don’t have my IUD anymore. And it is insane. Some of the stuff that I was thought was my stomach were not my stomach at all. So it’s just you all your body is its own interesting thing and get to know it, like get to know it because that’s going to help you be able to listen to it for not just like how you are today with like your health but also like what your what your gut is telling you like your actual gut, not your stomach like your gut instinct is telling you to do in this world, how to act as if you are already the person you want to be because you are it, you just have to step into those shoes. And the more you get to know yourself the easier that’s going to be. (Brad: Yeah.) All right. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
And, I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag Jenny Swisher, tag the @be_it_pod. Share this with your friends like seriously share this with your friends. (Brad: Yeah.) One of our agency members Claire Sparrow, she has this thing. I’m gonna have her on one day but she is like women are not telling other women about the stuff that they’re going through because it’s like this weird like we don’t have, we have weird conversation like weird. It’s weird. So just share it and then it’s not weird like, “Hey, I was just listening to this. Check it out. What do you think?” That’s a great conversation starter (Brad: Totally.) and do it. And until next time, Be It till You See It.

Brad Crowell
Bye for now.

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Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

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Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.

Lesley Logan
Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.