Finding Your Strengths

and Beating the Odds

Ep. 120 with Lesley & Brad

“You can apply strengths in different roles.”

Lesley Logan

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A big happy birthday to our 40-year old, dad joking co-host, Brad! Join in today’s convo to hear Brad and LL’s perspective of bringing each of your experiences with you to the next, discovering your strengths and then translating them into other positions in life.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Finding your strengths with StrengthFinder 2.0
  • Surrounding yourself with people who help create and support opportunities for your dream
  • Ignore the odds
  • Therapy, it’s like laundry. Do it often.
  • Someone is going to do it. Make it be you.

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Transcript

Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the candid convo I had with John Mollura in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us. You know what I saw something? Today, I was trying to listen to a podcast and it had a part two. And I was like, “Ah, I don’t want to listen to part two I want to listen to part one.” (Brad: Okay) So here’s what you do, everyone this is for obviously, just for the one, the one way to listen to podcasts. But on the Apple, you can actually hit the little three dots, the little ellipses on the episode in your listen now. And then you can actually it’ll have a bunch of options that go to podcast. And it will take you to all the episodes of that pod. And then you can drop down one below in case your podcast load up like mine, which is the newest one first, which might be the recap and not the original. Just so you know and just a little instruction, the …

Brad Crowell
I love where you’re going with this.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Anyways, happy birthday, Brad.

Brad Crowell
Hey, thank you. Thank you so much.

Lesley Logan
It took you 40 years to lift this guy. (Brad laughs) Spoiler alert, I tried to order you that shirt and they’re sold out.

Brad Crowell
I’m so happy that they’re sold out.

Lesley Logan
I think he looks so cute in it.

Brad Crowell
Oh, thanks. (Lesley: Anyways) I do not need that shirt.

Lesley Logan
Brad is 40. (Brad: 40) And all week long, my father has been letting him know.

Brad Crowell
Oh, it mercilessly. (Lesley: Since …) Every time I go, he goes, “Looks like you’re getting close to 40. What’s the name of almost 40?” (Lesley and Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan
Yeah, so this year, my mom turned 60, my dad turned 70. Brad turned 40. And the rest of us are going backwards in time. So sucks to be you. No kidding. (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
No. We’re going we’re also going to jump off a building.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, you keep saying that. So y’all in Vegas, there is this situation on top of the stratosphere. And you pay a lot of money.

Brad Crowell
The Strat is like the second tallest building in town. Maybe the tallest building in town, not even sure.

Lesley Logan
I mean, it was from the 80s. So is it any of those things anymore? Who knows? But the reality is, is you can see it from space. And you can see it from our living room. And you can see people on the little rides. But … (Brad: No, you could see it from space.) Yeah, that’s what my Uber driver said and that you know, they’re always correct.

Brad Crowell
It’s like the internet. It must be true.

Lesley Logan
Where you should get your information. It’s also the same Uber driver who knew what the inside of our house look like before it was remodeled. That was weird. (Brad: Yeah, that was weird.) That was weird. Anyways. Okay. So you’re on the stratosphere, and you can pay a lot of money for them. It’s not a bungee jump. It’s more of like, you’re connected to a cable that’s … (Brad: It’s like a freefall.) Yeah, it’s a freefall, which sounds so scary. And so a person I had dinner with, I was at dinner with Strong Fitness Magazine and somebody there with just did it and he showed me his the video because they put a GoPro on you. And so he was, he fainted at the top. So in the video he is out, he is falling, his out and then when he comes to, he just screams F U to the friend that signed him up, that ‘s the video. (Brad and Lesley laughs) Anyways, so that’s a Brad, my Dad and possibly some other people are gonna do. I want to say I’ll do it, but I’m gonna sit and tell you right now I just nothing’s gears. I don’t want to wet my pants. That is my biggest fear. Like I pee because I’m so scared. (Brad and Lesley laughs) Just coming all the way down. Anyways, happy birthday, Brad. (Brad: Thank you so much.) I love you so much and I’m so happy you’re just a tad bit older than me.

Brad Crowell
Somehow, I think I’ll be able to maintain that.

Lesley Logan
I love it. I love it so much. Okay, we do have an audience question.

Brad Crowell
We do, which is so fun. And you can wish me a happy birthday or ask an audience question at the @be_it_pod on IG. (Lesley: Yeah, on the gram.) Just shoot us a DM. The question that we had this week was, “What is the quiz you took that told the two of you your strengths?” (Lesley: Yeah. So we …) We probably alluded to about 4000 times.

Lesley Logan
4000 times (Brad: Yeah) and just enough for people to go, I need to do that and then not know we talked about. So, this is great question. I love this getting this question because I, Brad and I are like obsessed with with the Strength Finders 2.0. So that is the qu… Is that a quiz?

Brad Crowell
It’s not really a quiz. It’s a test. (Lesley: It’s a long time …) No, it’s like 25 minutes, 30 minutes.

Lesley Logan
What is the difference between a quiz and a test, length of time? The score …

Brad Crowel
That is a great question. (Lesley: The scores and tasks on your brain.) I think that it’s a quest. (Lesley laughs)

Lesley Logan
You’re such a dad joke hit 40. (Brad laughs) And now, you’re a dad joker.

Brad Crowell
That’s amazing. I’m proud of my dad joke skills even though I’m, no, I’m not really a dad.

Lesley Logan
Quizzes are shorter than tests, whereas the test may have 50 questions or more, a quiz … 10 or fewer questions. And by the way, when I was typing, what is the difference between a queue? It was quiz and a test or a quiche and a frittata … (Brad and Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
Thank you Google. (Lesley: Thank you Google.) What’s the difference between a quiche and a test?

Lesley Logan
Okay, so um, so anyways, it’s Strength Finders 2.0. (Brad: Yes) It’s a gallup thing.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, gallup, g a l l u p, gallup.

Lesley Logan
You don’t have to read the book. Although there is a book that kind of explains why these different strengths matter and how different CEOs have put their strengths together. And we were just out having dinner with Michael Unbroken who was episode 100, something. And he was like, “You guys like Strength Finders 2.0?” We actually talked about why we liked it. So basically, for us, knowing our top strengths kind of allows you to realize like, you are a little bit more able to apply your strengths to different things like you might be thinking, you’re really strong in this one job, and you’re not sure you can switch over, but when you know your strengths, you know how you can switch it, you can apply those strengths in different roles. So Brad was a musician, but he realized that his strengths, were actually things that a CEO or CEO could use.

Brad Crowell
Yes, Michael was 105.

Lesley Logan
Thank you, 105. Thanks, Google. (Lesley laughs) This episode brought to you by not them. So anyways, um, so that’s to me why it’s really important for you to know also for us, since we do have people on our team, we, we knowing our strengths allows us to hire people that are not a duplicate of us, because that would be that would be a nightmare for the team if there was too many.

Brad Crowell
Well, I think I think I can honestly say that taking this test, this quest ‘changed my life.’ Because when I was first took it in 2010. I’d been in Los Angeles for only two and a half years. And I was worried. My concern was, what if I don’t become rich and famous from playing music? What am I gonna go do with my life? What do I just like move home? And like, I don’t know, work at a bank or something? I don’t know where. Because I was like, that’s supposed to be where the money is at the bank? (Lesley: If you’re gonna say. Oh my God. I don’t think so.) I think I would be the best bank teller ever. I would be having a party and everyone would be like, “Dude, just do your job.”

Lesley Logan
Yeah, you, therefore the worse. But everyone would love you.

Brad Crowell
Probably, the worst at my job. So anyway, I didn’t know I that’s the only thing I could imagine for myself. And I was like, I don’t know, I don’t know what to do if like, I don’t sell a million albums. And this quest really helped me …

Lesley Logan
Just in case you didn’t follow the quiz and a test is a quest.

Brad Crowell
quantify, what I was doing in life into a, a skill that I could actually verbalize. For example, I was the guy behind the band, doing all the business stuff, booking the gigs, getting, you know, getting the marketing material together, actually promoting it, going out convincing people to show up, when we get to the venue, we’d be there early, I’d be hauling all the gear inside, it’d be connecting all the microphone cables and all the stuff and then at the end of the show, we would go to the venue and then we’d get paid, right? And it was like a whole, there’s all these other things that happen around the band, that don’t actually have anything to do with playing. Right. And I was doing …

Lesley Logan
He did play too, by the way. He said he’s the man behind the band, but he’s also the man in the band.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, it was in the band, too. But basically, I had to do all these other things. And I didn’t really, I never really understood that what I was doing was operations. And so when I took the Strengths Finders quest, what made me realize is that … (Lesley: I just, can you imagine …) For those of you who can’t see, she’s shaking her head.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Now, look, here’s this, they’re not like we’re not affiliated with them … (Brad laughs) This is not … the promo. (Brad: When …) Though it’s not the copy. It’s not the copy.

Brad Crowell
It allowed me to tangibly identify what I was doing in a way that I could explain it to someone who isn’t doing music, because that anybody else who’s doing music, like, of course, you’re going to haul the gear from the place to the other thing, of course, you have to rehearse, of course to do all these things. You know, it’s just part of the game. But if you’re not in a band, you might not really understand that and I certainly was not able to properly connect the dots for what I was doing, potentially being a viable hire at a company somewhere. (Lesley: That was not music like just that you could …) Right. (Lesley: Yeah) And in fact, I didn’t end up like the company that I ended up working for was a startup company and I ended up being the liaison between the CEO, the design team and the dev team because of my communication skills, and one of my top five strengths is communication. (Lesley: Yeah) And so, you know, I never would have understood, “Am I qualified to do this?” Well, maybe I’ve never done it before. But I can tell you that I’m really good at communicating and listening and understanding what they need. And I can go and I can communicate that to the rest of the team. And so, you know, it was just one of those really revealing moments.

Lesley Logan
I think you all should do it. I think it’s so important to know. I mean, there’s so many tests out there, they all tell you different things about yourself. But like, even for me, I was I always struggled to understand like, why couldn’t just do like, I’m like, “Oh, yeah, that’s not I could do that.” And I wouldn’t like doing it. And so it’s one of my strengths is significance. I like have to be do some, that means something, like everything I do, has to be bigger than the task. And it drives me crazy. But I also now understand like, well, that’s a strength that I naturally have. (Brad: Yeah) And so no wonder I’m frustrated when the task is just like, kind of not impacting the world. I’m like, this isn’t this isn’t my strengths wise. So it just helps you make more sense of yourself. So take it and then let us know tag us and your top five. We want to know.

Brad Crowell
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. If you go take this test, this quest because of speaking with us, the you know what, we’re gonna put a link in the show notes. If you want to go take this quest, I recommend it. And basically, we want to know what your top five strengths are. So you can you can just ig them to us, ig is IG. (Lesley: Oh my gosh.) So, now really going down. (Lesley: No, no we are not making that a word.) That was a bad one, that was a bad one. (Lesley: No, not and that … winner.) I can see. That was that was pretty weak. You can just DM, you can DM them to us on the ig. (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan
No! No, no, you got to make one word up. You don’t get to make three words up. It’s like it’s like multiplicity.

Brad Crowell
Hey, it’s my birthday. I can make up words.

Lesley Logan
Happy birthday. I think no, I think in the fine print on birthdays, you could make it one word. Anyway …

Brad Crowell
Anyway, check the show notes. Really, I couldn’t recommend it enough, ‘Changed my life.’ Okay. So … (Lesley: Okay, let’s talk about John.) Now then, let’s talk about John Mollura, a travel enthusiast, ex NASA engineer and a lover of photography. John Mollura left the safety net of his government job become a multi award winning luxury portrait photographer, and he now works to empower individuals through portraits. And as a huge proponent of overcoming impostor syndrome to live out your dreams.

Lesley Logan
I have to just share this I won’t say who but one person on our team actually messaged us before you listen to this podcast and tell me all the things that she thought about it. And so way to go, John, the team was listening and talking about the pod before the pod was even released. (Brad: Yeah, our team.) Yeah, our team. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, it was a great, he’s a great person, and we’re gonna all all go to Delaware and get our photos taken. (Brad: Oh) But I wonder if he’ll drive out here to hang it because that …

Brad Crowell
Right, right, right. That’ll be impressive, John.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, cuz I would like to see how long it’s gonna take …

Brad Crowell
Yeah and he also have helps out with wardrobe selection. So (Lesley: Yeah) you know, you’re welcome to come to Vegas and do those things. That’d be so fucking … (Lesley: I think you can do that on Zoom.)

Lesley Logan
Anyways, okay. So something I love that he said is surrounding yourself with people who have been where you are. So he was talking about specifically investing in people who have gone through where you are, and listen to their advice and past. (Brad: Yeah) And, of course, I love this because obviously, we are coaches and we coach people, on past we’ve gone down, and But truly, I think so many people are like, “I gotta pull myself up by my bootstraps. I got to forge my own path. I gotta do it like this.” Let me just tell you, it’s so much easier if you get someone that you trust to be someone who invest your time and money in because you’ll show up as a different person. And you’ll actually take the advice. Like, for example, we go around and I have tons of people, friends who like have asked us questions, and we’d like given them a little bit of business advice or two, not a single one of them has applied any of it. And when we see them a year later, they’re literally asking, they’re be like, “I know, you told me to do blah, blah, blah.” And I’m like, “Yeah, a year ago, I charge a lot of money for that advice and you …” But because they didn’t invest in it, they didn’t put value on it. (Brad: Sure) And so I just, you don’t have to do this these things alone and in almost any industry, except for maybe I don’t know something in NASA. Someone has gone on the journey, even if it’s not identical, even if it’s like yes, I’m I’m a Pilates teacher who does business coaching but …

Brad Crowell
Even the guy, even even in NASA, (Lesley: Yeah) because he basically got brought under the wing of a guy who was like, “I like this kid. You know, he’s somebody I could hang with.” And then that became John’s mentor.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So I just, I, I swear to you, every person that I see doing something I want to be doing, they all have a coach, they’ve all invested, they put themselves (Brad: Yeah) around and also put themselves in groups. So it wasn’t just a one on one coach, but into a mastermind with other people (Brad: Sure) support them, hold them accountable, show them that there are opportunities out there that you may not even have dreamed of. And so if you are stuck, if you are not where you want to be, then I say surround yourself with people. Well, he said it and I agree. (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I mean, when you when you are around other people, you’re constantly ideating, you’re constantly growing, you’re learning, you’re referring things to each other, because you’re all doing ‘it’, whatever ‘it’ might be. And, and then when you have a mentor, who’s been where you are, that’s the, that’s like really a part of it is they know how much effort it takes, they know, you know, they, they’re not going to sugarcoat it, they are going to be real with you, because they believe in you. And they know that this is something that can be done, probably because they did it already. And you know, there they are, where they were, or they are where you want to be. And so you know, obviously you’re going to learn a lot from somebody in that position.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. What did you like?

Brad Crowell
So, clearly, I loved the Star Wars connection. And in fact, there’s a whole lot more of a connection. By the way, side, total total side note, I laughed out loud when his wife said, your, your your skin looks the color of a, what did he say, wet ashtray right now? Because he hated his job. And he was just like, down the he was miserable. Right. And she said, she said, I laughed so hard, you know.

Lesley Logan
I heard I heard you laugh out loud. Also, speaking of Star Wars, did I tell you that Jason went to the star… Jason Frazell from another podcast? He went to the Star Wars thing.

Brad Crowell
No, down in Florida. Oh, yeah. (Lesley: Without you.) Everybody do that, without me. (Lesley laughs) Damn it J.

Lesley Logan
Ah, that’s okay. You can go with John. I’m sure he will go.

Brad Crowell
I can go with John … (Lesley: Anyways) So, so he started to talk about the story about the Nat Geo. And how he, when he was younger was like, “Wow, how amazing would it be? If I were to be able to be a National Geographic.” And the odds are like, you know, like, microscopic, right? You basically, it’s like trying to become a basketball player. Right. There’s like one in one of their, like, 400 basketball players in the world or something, or in the US, anyway, and professional, I mean. And that, that’s like, basically the odds of getting your, your photo published by Nat Geo. And he said, his hero, one of his heroes was (Lesley: 3% chance of becoming a basketball player.) 3% chance. Okay, (Lesley: Yeah) this seems even smaller.

Lesley Logan
And less than less than 2% for women. So

Brad Crowell
Han Solo has a famous line in the movie where he says, “Never tell me the odds.” And And so John had pinned that above on his board, were like, above the Nat Geo thing, “Never tell me the odds.” And he didn’t say how many years later. But that was always there in the back of his mind that he’s working on it. And he’s submitting things and he’s doing all the things. And sure enough, they eventually published or included one of his photos and something, which is amazing. It is so incredible, is like the biggest bragging rights of a photographer to have. But, you know, since then, he’s really taking that model to heart. You know, don’t tell me the odds.

Lesley Logan
I want that a poster on our wall. I can go above our new couch goal that we got.

Brad Crowell
I’m in it. (Lesley: Yeah, I’m in. I’m in.) I’m in on it.

Lesley Logan
I’m in. He’s in it.

Brad Crowell
I’m in it people. (Lesley: He’s in it.) I’m in the downtown if you ask. (Brad and Lesley laughs)

Lesley Logan
I’m sure there’s a couple letters that make Brad in there. (Brad: Oh man.) Anyways …

Brad Crowell
I love it. So that was a that was I I don’t think (Lesley: Well, you know …) I’ve never really talked about this, but I almost went to college for photography. (Lesley: Did you really?) Yeah, yeah. (Lesley: I didn’t know that about you.) Yeah, it was music or photography, and I ended up doing music.

Lesley Logan
And now you do photography.

Brad Crowell
And now I do … Well that’s because I was I’ve always been passionate about it. And and Star Wars and but yeah anyway,

Lesley Logan
Well, John (Brad: good times) you know, made me think because my brain just went, “I’m gonna take you on the journey out.” He said he’s go… he wanted to go to photography in college if it wasn’t music and my brain went to on Cambodia. He takes all of our pictures. And then it made me think that like John needs to come to Cambodia to take pictures because Peach could teach him a …

Brad Crowell
Oh, she could. Oh, yeah, our tour guide is a wizard.

Lesley Logan
A wizard. Home girl knows how to use the iPhone in ways that Apple hasn’t even taught us. I’m just gonna call it they’ve never said this. It’s it’s amazing.

Brad Crowell
And we’re not revealing her secrets. You’re gonna have to come with us. (Lesley: You have to come.) Yeah. (Lesley: You have to come.)

Lesley Logan
I do love that quote. I’m gonna keep it and remember it and even though it wasn’t a BE IT action item. I think we should all like BE IT action item number one, never go look at the odds because …

Brad Crowell
Never tell me the odds.

Lesley Logan
Well, because like, I think if every single person listening to this is like thought back about some of their accomplishments. I bet you all have beat me odds in some way or another. Right. (Brad: Sure) … just so you know, the fact that you exist on this planet is a beat of the odds, because it’s like one and 72 million sperm or something like that, that has to hit a particular one of them. Like, it’s you beat the odds just by being born. (Brad: That’s true.) Yeah. (Brad: This is true.) Anyways, um, but I’m down with it. And we should just like put on a shirt.

Brad Crowell
All right. All right. All right. Finally, let’s talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with John Mollura? (Lesley: It’s your birthday.) It is my birthday. So I’m take.. I’m jumping in. So he talks about overcoming the negative voices in your head. And I don’t think that it was easy for him. And I don’t think that it’s something that’s like 100% of the way either, because he talked a lot about it during the webinar that he did for our Agency members. But he mentioned therapy. And he said, it’s one of the it was a really challenging thing for him to embrace. And the reason is, because he’s very self sufficient. Right? So and he made this again, hilarious joke of like, “John, you need some help out there.” And he’s like, “No, no, it’s cool. I got I got it’s just a little awkward.” You know, and, and that’s his mentality for approaching everything, “Do it myself. I got this. I don’t need any help.” And I think that, what he transitioned that into, to therapy and why he went or how hard it was to go get therapy. But when he finally did, how powerful it was for for, you know, his own self talk, and how that began to make changes in the way that he thinks about himself talks, you know, to himself, and then how that’s impacted him today.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I mean, again, therapy, it’s like laundry. Do it often.

Brad Crowell
Everybody needs to do it.

Lesley Logan
Everyone needs to do it. Everyone needs to do it. Okay,

Brad Crowell
What about you?

Lesley Logan
I loved this. He said, like, somebody told them, like, “Somebody’s going to do it. Why not you?” And I know you could say like, you can say that in many different ways. But the truth is, is like, let’s just because the podcast with positivity, “Somebody’s gonna do it. Why not you?” Why not you? Because I say this all the time to our and on Profitable Pilates for our business coaching, you are the only person who can do what you do the way that you do it. (Brad: Yeah) You’re it because every single one of us has a life experience that is not duplicatable. (Brad: No) Even if you have a twin who did the entire life with you. You still have different personalities, you still have, like you, there’s still different things you resonate with. And so I just, I know so many of you are thinking of all these different excuses of why you can’t do what you want to do, or why you’re not taking the next steps. But or why even you like who are you to do these things. But you’re it,you’re the only person who can do it. So why not you? And I just I think whenever your negative self talk is saying like, “Oh, no, you can’t do it.” And go, “Why can’t I do it?”

Brad Crowell
Well, I think that also like reading it again, someone’s got it. Someone is going to do it. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, so someone’s got to do it. But someone is going to do it. So why not you? Right. So and what I think he was talking about was quitting his job and making six figures as a photographer.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, cuz someone’s gonna make six figures.

Brad Crowell
Someone’s gonna do it. (Lesley: Yeah.) So why not you.

Lesley Logan
Well, there’s photographers making seven figures. (Brad: I’m sure, 100%) Yeah. (Brad: Yeah) So why not you? So whatever is keeping you back like, why can’t why is it, why is it that you can’t be the person?

Brad Crowell
Yeah. You know, and that, and that’s like, what he said was that, that stuck with him. It was a offhand comment from somebody that, you know, he knew and, and he said, over the years, he’s brought that back (Lesley: Yeah) many times as, as kind of like a, it’s almost like a mic drop. You know, like, when, when, when you’re in self doubt, like, “Oh, you know, I am not qualified on that, that thing or whatever.” And it’s like, well, someone’s going to do it. Why not you? (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Well, with that, mic is dropped. (Brad: Boom) I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to use these tips in your life?

Brad Crowell
These 40 year old tips in your life?

Lesley Logan
Yes, because it took him 40 years to get to quest (Brad: to boom) By the way, we are so freaking grateful for you. (Brad: Yes) We really are. I love, I love that we did make this podcast for you. And I love your DMs. I love the way you share these BE IT action items. I love the screenshots you send me. So keep them coming, keep your questions coming and send us a DM to the @be_it_pod on Instagram and let John and us know what you’re going to do with these tips. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.

Lesley Logan
Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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