Do You Feel Stuck

Being the CEO?

Ep. 28 with Lesley & Brad

“Focus on your values. If you can get really clear on what your values are and what they’re not, that can really help you show up as your truest self.”

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Show Notes

Brad & Lesley recall the last episode’s interview with coaching savant Kareen Walsh. They cover tons of book and podcast recommendations (see below!), evaluate the roles they each play in their business, and taking a moment to look back at how everything is going.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Brad’s book recommendation
  • Lesley’s many, many book and podcast recommendations
  • Kareen Walsh is a Jedi Knight
  • What role do you want to play in your business?
  • You don’t have to be the CEO
  • Take a moment to look back and evaluate your business
  • Taking a pause

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Transcript
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the entrepreneurial conversation I had with Kareen Walsh in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened to that interview, well, you can pause this, you can find it, listen to it, and just put this up in the queue next, there’s like a way to go play next. Or you can listen to this. Go listen to that one. Or you can start any order you want. This is your life and we are just here to help you Be It Till You See It. So

Brad Crowell
That’s true.

Lesley Logan
Is literally what we’re here to do. Okay, hun, guess what’s happening?

Brad Crowell
Tell me!

Lesley Logan
Oh, you know.

Brad Crowell
I know (Lesley: Okay) it’s coming up in five days.

Lesley Logan
Five days. Alright, y’all, I am on a mission. I’m on a mission because I want to help you Be It Till You See It. And I know that is so easy to be inspired to hear all these takeaways and then go to put things in action and then somedays you don’t feel motivated to do what you want to do. And other days you just feel like the world against you. And also there’s a whole situation on how long does it take to like make this become something that’s routine, sort of think about it – because decision fatigue. And anyways, I’m about to blow your mind for free on September 7, in our Myth Busting Habits webinar. Again, it’s free, it is on September 7, there is a three day replay. And you all can join me on this hopefully live, I really hope so we try to pick a time that most parts of Australia are awake. Sorry, Perth, I just don’t even know what timezone you’re on. I love you and I really am trying but if I go too much later, then we lose all of Europe, all of it. (Brad: It’s true) And so this is the best we can do. It’s a one hour webinar, you go to OnlinePilatesClasses.com/habits, that’s OnlinePilatesClasses.com/habits to sign up for this free webinar and… (Brad: Plural) Yeah, it’s plural. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah, it’s also in the show notes, just click the link in the show notes. You just do the little swipey-up thing and like hit it and you can sign in. It’s because it’s free. You don’t even have to have your credit card handy. You can do this on your phone. And then set a time to watch it if you’re not gonna watch it live with us because there’s a three day replay “only.” (Brad: Yes) But it’s gonna be a lot of fun. And I I want you to join live as you can, because I would like you to, to say, “This what I’ve been trying to make happen and I can’t make it happen. Let’s break it down!” We’re gonna have time to do that with everyone’s desire. So anyways, I’m ready. Ready!

Brad Crowell
I’m excited. I mean, I think it’s gonna be great to to dig into how we actually make habits.

Lesley Logan
I think that you are actually gonna really love it. I haven’t… To be honest, y’all, while we live together, work together, and we are married. I haven’t really been sharing a lot of this with him. (Brad: No) He just hears me chat about it with the team. I’m like, “We got to do it like this. We got to do it like this, because it’s gonna help people make it easier, make it a habit.” And they’re just looking at like, I’m crazy. And so everyone’s gonna get their mind blown on September 7.

Brad Crowell
Mind blown.

Lesley Logan
Mind blown. In the best way kind of mind blowing up version. So anyways

Brad Crowell
I love it.

Lesley Logan
What was our question this week?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, we actually had a great audience question this week from Helen Lamphere. She DM us on the IG. (Lesley: Yeah) And the grammage…

Lesley Logan
@be_it_pod is our handle for the podcast on IG.

Brad Crowell
And you can ask any question that you want from us about anything and we will, you know, happily work it into episodes that are coming up

Lesley Logan
Life, business, romance, Pilates. (Brad: Hmm. Spicy) Spicy. (Brad: Ah) Love, I love dating advices. It’s really fun for me.

Brad Crowell
Today’s question from Helen Lamphere is, “What are your favorite books that you would recommend?”

Lesley Logan
Yeah, okay, well, you go first.

Brad Crowell
Okay, cool. So as you know, I’m a process guy that’s like my jam. I definitely like the the idea of getting out of the way and letting automation take over. So we use a tool for our project management that allows us the the, the option of replacing ourselves, and that’s a weird idea. And that idea is explained in detail in a book by Ari Meisel called The Replaceable Founder. That was very inspirational to me. It’s only a it’s a quick read. It’s a short book. It’s an easy audio listen. And the general idea is create a systematic approach to the things that you’re doing so that you can think through how to do it well, right, easy, whatever. And then how can you replace yourself in that. Now, whether you’re replacing yourself with full blown automation, or you’re replacing yourself with another person on your team who’s joining your team, the idea is as the founder of a business, you can’t do it all and you basically need to swap yourself out in a way that is manageable by somebody else. So that is an amazing book for all you entrepreneurs out there that I would recommend.

Lesley Logan
Cool. And you know what, even if you’re not an entrepreneur, and you are someone who has a lot of things to do, and you are wishing that people would help you around the house, around your life, around things, I still think it’s worth watching, reading. (Brad: Yeah) Watch it, you read it, or you can listen to it on audible. Because you can think about “Gosh, I can never have someone who cleans my house the way I cleaned my house.” Well, you can (Brad: You totally can) if you do this approach from that book. So just for the non entrepreneurs out there, that’s still a good read. Okay, well, I’m gonna I have a few books because (Brad: Oh) I love to read…

Brad Crowell
She does. She reads all the time.

Lesley Logan
I’m usually reading between two and three books at one time. So first up, Breathe, James Nestor, you’re welcome. Changing your life, you’re frickin’ welcome. I am actually taking a breathwork certification because I’m obsessed with this book. So I don’t care if you’re into Pilates movement or not. It is awesome. Next book that I recommend to everybody, (Brad: everybody) everybody that’s how many people, The Big Leap by Gay Hendricks. Ah, if you do listen to that one on audible, I highly recommend at least 1.4 maybe 1.5. He is like a grandpa reading you a story. And I the reason I say listen to it is if you are someone who is a perfectionist, overachiever, who’s super hard on yourself, you’re going to read that book with this tone of voice. That’s a little bit like judgy. And why I like his voice is he’s “grandpa” and he’s like giving you stuff, but it does needed to be sped up a little bit. And it’s all about how we get in our own way when we get outside of our comfort zone. So we all are told, “Life happens on the other side of the comfort zone,” but then it’s scary. And so some of us like self-deprecate when that happens to bring ourselves down, we worry, (Brad: Sure) I’m a worrier. As soon as something goes good, I start worried about something else. It’s gonna go bad. And I’ve been, I don’t know, I’m pat myself on the back, I’d say “I’ve been doing pretty good” since acknowledging that. But there’s a bunch of other things maybe you pick fights with people when life is going really good and you get a fight with someone – that’s called upper limiting yourself. So highly recommend that for anyone who is wanting to be recovered perfectionist and overachiever. I’m gonna keep going because this is my show. (Brad laughs) I also really am super super into as far as business books go, I’ve just started The Messy Middle and obsessed. Obsessed everyone. (Brad: Yeah) It is…

Brad Crowell
I just downloaded that. I haven’t started it yet but… (Lesley: I know) she told me yesterday, “You got to read this book…”

Lesley Logan
Gotta read this book. (Brad: Okay) I’m like nine pages in and it’s like making my whole world, makes sense because we’re in the middle right now. And sometimes I just feel like, it’s like a frickin’ bipolar of emotions. It’s like up, it’s down. It’s up. It’s down. And then you just go “Oh, that’s that’s actually how business is.” So for those of you who are trying to make something in your life or business and you’re like, “Somedays are good, Somedays are hell.” Yep, you’re in it. Welcome to the middle. (Brad laughs) So I just wanted something that would like make me feel good about myself. And then lastly, as this is coming out, you know, towards the end of like, it’s like, what is it almost the fourth quarter? It’s called The Art of Gathering and it is by Priya something. Her name is not coming to me, but she’s amazing. I heard her on Brené Brown’s podcast and to be honest… (Brad: Priya Parker) Thank you! Priya Parker.

Brad Crowell
The Art of Gathering: How We Meet and Why It Matters

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So it literally goes into details about having like if you’re going to have a small dinner party, what are the size and this is not like Suzy homemaker, what are the sizes… (Brad: What are the size?) the size of the party, like if you’re… (Brad: It’s what is the size of the party?) what is the size, like if you’re gonna have people over for a home dinner party, the size does matter, too small and it’s like a double date, too big and now it’s a party and then there’s different things and it goes over like how to be a good host because if you’re not a host, someone will become a host because it’s just how human beings are and that can upset the applecart and just she shares all these different things. She also has a… I’m just gonna put this out there. Priya, if you’re listening, or if anyone knows Priya Parker (don’t tell her I didn’t know her last name…) And I I want her on the show because I I really, she has this incredible life y’all. She was raised by two, like her parents got married but they like on religious reasons, get along on no levels. Like one of them was raised, like from India, so like, doesn’t eat meat, her dad’s from the Midwest and he’s like super Christian. And like, somehow they got married. And then she became this like, negotiator for the government because obviously, like she grew up in like a household, that’d be negotiated all the time. And so she wrote this book, and she shares her personal stories, and I don’t care if you’re in business, or just someone who wants to have people over your house. Great book!

Brad Crowell
Cool

Lesley Logan
Okay

Brad Crowell
Right

Lesley Logan
That’s my list.

Brad Crowell
Amazing!

Lesley Logan
Thanks for that question.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, that’s a great list, I am in. (Lesley: Yeah) We’ll make sure to put all the links to those in the show notes. So you don’t have to worry about writing them down or kicking the table. I mean, or anything else like that. (Lesley laughs) (Lesley: Sorry, I kicked the table) (Brad laughs) All right. Let’s talk about Kareen Walsh here. If Jedi Knights were real, Kareen Walsh would be one of them. She has this uncanny ability to envision the possibilities around any venture that you map out with her. She uses that foresight with her clients, whether coaching one on one or working with a trillion dollar company. Yes, I said trillion with a T she works with more than one, to make your life easier and more fulfilling, while staying efficient and productive. Her coaching has changed our lives. And we are so, like lucky to have been able to coach one on one with her because she works with C level execs from these massive, massive companies that have you know, like 10,000 employees and stuff like that. So having her take a look at what we are doing was mind blowing.

Lesley Logan
So, clearly Brad writes the Bios (Brad laughs) on this, (Brad: Yeah) because I have no idea what a Jedi is (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
I definitely referenced Star Wars in there. (Lesley: I can’t wait for you to hear this.)

Lesley Logan
Um yeah, no, Kareen definitely changed our lives. And this is like the power of just being connected to people and also believing that everything happens for you like what we got to do with her in 2020, I mean, I can’t even imagine how it would have happened, the other way that was planned – it like was it was totally different. So anyways, that has nothing to this podcast, but just a side note of like she she did change our lives and and, you know, you just got to trust how all the dominoes fall. So here’s something I want to talk about that I loved. What role do you want to play in your business? You talked about this a bit. And, and she would do like details on on like, you know, evaluating it and all this stuff. And, and when we say she changed our lives, y’all I used to be the CEO of our company and I, I had crazy imposter syndrome around it. It was really like, causing me stress and anxiety. I everything I would read about CEOs. In fact, I was actually listening to Brad’s current CEO coach, like I had downloaded all of his freebies, I listen to every podcast he was on, and I was like, “Okay, I’m learning how to hug a cactus and be a CEO,” and I just hated it. And we met with Kareen. She had this this simple thing and when we did it, he’s… Brad is the CEO. I was like…

Brad Crowell
She’s like, “By the way, have you thought about switching roles?” (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) And we’re like, “Can we do that?”

Lesley Logan
Can we do that? Can I not be the CEO of my own company? And it’s and it’s so funny, because I’ve now met so many female founders who aren’t, they are the visionaries. And (Brad: Yeah) and so I left that meeting being the CPO and that felt really good.

Brad Crowell
CPO stands for Chief Product Officer.

Lesley Logan
Or we call the Chief Pilates Officer because it just sounds like more applicable, applicable. And anyways, I changed my role this year.

Brad Crowell
When did you do that?

Lesley Logan
Just a couple weeks ago, actually, (Brad: Yeah) like maybe a month ago, I was just like, evaluating how things felt to my body and how the business felt. And I and then I heard that Simon Sinek said, “There should be a CVO,” and I was like, “Tell me more. I’m already interested.” Chief Visionary Officer, I’m like, that’s exactly what I do. And I am stoked about it. So it’s so no matter how big or small your businesses, pick the title that makes you feel like you can show up and shine. No, don’t pick the one you think you deserve. Pick the one that makes you feel you can show up and shine. And that’s what I’m so glad she brought that up. What did you love that she said?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, well, I just wanted to comment on that a little more. I definitely you know, if you are a small team, or a one person team, this, the I.. the idea here is you don’t need to wear all the hats. Again, going back to my book reference, you know, you don’t have to be the website builder and the video editor and the you know, instructor and the, you know, finance person, all that kind of stuff. You can definitely switch roles and, you know, become something that actually lights your fire inside of your business. And so it was a weird permission structure, I mean, it sounds so obvious when you’re talking about like this, but we were stuck in this preconception that, you know, well, Lesley started a company, so therefore, she’s clearly the CEO. And then my history, my background is operations, so I must be the COO, you know. And, and what we, what we identified was it that wasn’t serving the business. And it was easy, it would make way more sense to literally change hats and and then that allowed us to immediately begin restructuring workload and changing things out. So it was a major change for us, it actually made life easier for both of us. (Lesley: Oh, 100%) And move the business forward. So yeah

Lesley Logan
It leaps and bounds.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, cool. I really loved actually, you just literally hinted at it. Kareen said, an annual evaluation. And I thought, this is interesting, to, you know, how, how often do we, you know, just keep living and doing and whatever. And we don’t actually take a moment to, to look back at our last year, and evaluate right. And what she was specifically referencing was her. She had a very explosive, corporate career prior to becoming an entrepreneur and doing all these amazing things she’s doing now, she at a very young age and early 20s was like, like jumping the corporate ladder with leaps and bounds. And she said how she did that was she was, was definitely not. She never felt stuck in a position, right? She was like, “Is the position I’m in? Is the role I’m playing? Is it serving me? Have I learned what I need to learn from it? Have I outgrown it? If I mastered these things? What would I like to be learning next? And what is the opportunity that would provide the learning that I want?” Right? And so it wasn’t this, like, hope that they give me a raise, and maybe I’ll get more responsibility. And like, you know, I’m on this career path of 10, 20, 30 years. No, she was extremely aggressive. And in that, and when she felt that she had gotten everything that she needed out of the role, she started figuring out how to move on and move up. And so she changed companies, she moved around the country, she moved from San Francisco to New York, like did all these kinds of things. And I think they moved to Colorado in there somewhere. Anyway, they were not feeling they weren’t, they weren’t stuck. And I thought that was really incredible, to… I think that it’s worth putting this on your calendar as an annual event. Now, whether that’s over the New Years, or whatever, but like, there needs to be a moment of reflection, looking back on what it is you’re doing. Why are you doing it? Are you still doing it for you know, the reasons that you, you know, we’re doing it the first time because we change, life changes, situations change, that affects everything. And, you know, looking at, “Is this still serving me? What would I rather be doing?”

Lesley Logan
Yeah, it’s just such a good thing. And I and I, when I’ve heard her story a few times now between her podcast, our podcast and just knowing her. She had this like, natural drive to go, “Okay, well, I’ve, I’ve gone as far as I can hear, I gotta, I gotta go on.” And I think a lot of times, we tend to wait, like, we’re like, (Brad: Yeah) “Oh what’s gonna happen? Maybe I should wait.” Or I see a lot of people waiting to be kind of almost like, recognized or promoted as something that like, doesn’t, it’s not there. And there’s, there’s reasons to continue waiting, like maybe the reflection you’re like,” I’m not ready to move on. I’m not ready to move.” I’m not you know, and that’s also fine, too, but so important that it’s an annual evaluation, because otherwise…

Brad Crowell
I don’t think if I don’t think that I would have stayed in my old job as long as I have had stayed were I evaluating every year. Because I probably would have gone, “Who am I anymore? I don’t even know myself. I can’t believe what you know where what path I’m on right now. This doesn’t fit me, doesn’t serve me.” But the only thing I could see was I got I get a paycheck here and I need to pay my bills and I have debt. So I’ve got I’ve got to stick around because this is a secure income.

Lesley Logan
Oh my God, can you imagine that people do this in like relationships and stuff? Because I think (Brad: Right) my previous relationship, how I’d done an annual evaluation I probably wouldn’t like “Woo.” (Brad: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that’s…) Maybe don’t sign that lease together. (Brad and Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Well, and I think if you’re a fitness instructor, which I know a lot of you are listening to this, you know, maybe it’s a, maybe it’s like group classes, and you’re like, “I don’t really enjoy these,” you know, so you can stop. Maybe it’s teaching out of your home, maybe it’s teaching, maybe you’re driving to somebody else’s house to teach them, maybe it’s one specific client is no longer serving you because they’re insane. And they cause you a ton of stress. Like, I don’t know what it is. But when you when you take a closer look at what you’re doing, why you’re doing it, you know, is it still serving you? (Lesley: Yeah) So

Lesley Logan
I’m into it. I’m into it.

Brad Crowell
I thought it was powerful.

Lesley Logan
I really I hope if you if you listen to this, you decided to annual value evaluation for your life. I definitely want to know, and I want you to set the date, screenshot it, make sure it says repeat and it has it on there. It’s yeah, I mean, there’s another girl that I’ve been wanting to have on the podcast who has an evaluation that she does monthly. And it really because it’s you know, and I won’t give it away, but there’s just different ways to do it. So pick one, whether it’s Kareen’s, or someone else who you love and, and do it so that you’re not just like waking up one day going “Woo, it’s been four years of this job and now I have no idea where I want to go.”

Brad Crowell
All right, well, finally, let’s talk about the Be It action items that you discussed with Kareen. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from that convo?

Lesley Logan
I’m going first.

Brad Crowell
Do it. (Brad and Lesley laughs)

Lesley Logan
Um, my biggest takeaway was, I mean, we just kind of talked about a little bit, but it’s taking a pause. She talked about taking a pause. (Brad: Yeah) And using her retrospective exercise, which by the way, is in the show notes. So click on it because she has some great freebies y’all, just like dive in. I don’t care entrepreneur or not go through it, because her retrospective exercise is something that I use.

Brad Crowell
It’s a great tool

Lesley Logan
I must use it weekly sometimes because it involves celebration and I’m really big on that right now. And also like just being aware, so I kind of do it as a weekly thing. And also, like on a monthly thing that goes for the year. It’s a whole thing that I do but anyways, have fun…

Brad Crowell
She’s got she’s got a free PDF, you can download. It’s in the show notes. And it allows you to, it’s kind of a guided process of reflecting, like we were just talking about.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So anyways, and also just taking a pause, we just came back from a Maui trip. And it’s, it’s so good to just get, just get out of your routine, get out of your regular four walls, get out and just, it just take a moment to see what you miss, to see what you really like. And I just there’s a lot that happens in pauses, like I get the best ideas, not like head down in my computer (Brad: Yeah) you now kind of thing. What did you like most your Be It action item you wanna talk about?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, so she said at the very end, “Be it, being it is truly showing up in your truest version of yourself.” And the way she said it, I was like, “Yeah, yeah, that.” And then I was thinking I was like, “What the hell does that mean?” Right? Like, like, “What does it mean to show up in the truest version of yourself?” Um, and it…

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I just want to say, I think like, a lot of people listening probably heard that. And, and I agree, it’s like, “Yes, absolutely be the truest version of yourself.” But I think some times we nod our head then we absolutely have to be myself….

Brad Crowell
To be the truest version of myself. But then it’s like, well, what, what is the truest version of myself and, and for me, personally, I find it a little harder to identify, like, “This is who I am, concrete in the sand.” But I, I found it a lot easier to reflect back on situations where I clearly knew I was not being the truest version of myself. For example, my old job, you know, we did a lot of things with my old job that I wasn’t comfortable with, when it came to morality, and like contracts and partnerships and all this stuff. You know, and, and I’m not going to get into the specifics of digging up, you know, all this old stuff. But the the truth is, when I was doing my job, I consistently disagreed with my boss, consistently, for years. And I was like, “That’s not how I would do it. That’s not how I would do it. That’s not how I would do it.” Right? But again, I felt like I need to get paid, and I’m here to do a job and I told him, I would do it, so I’m gonna do it. But then the way that we went around doing it, I was not excited about, you know. And it it caused me stress and it caused me anxiety sometimes, you know, and, and, and sometimes it wasn’t like, like, we weren’t, we weren’t out there intentionally, you know, messing people over, but it also like, sometimes it was like, if I’m going to hire a team, and I’m going to let the team do, you know, work together, I’m gonna let the person who’s running that team, hire the team, instead of me hiring him and going, you work for her now. Right? And because then now you’re saddling two people together, they might not actually work well together, you know… stuff like that. There was so many situations where I was like, “That’s not how I would do it.” Anyway, when I, when I finally left that job, it took a solid six months for me to decompress and decide what was a normal amount of stress again, and then move forward with, you know, running my own businesses, and then eventually joining Lesley. And now, today, it has, it’s a night and day difference between who I was even four years ago, and who I am today, even though I’m doing actually quite similar things, and in the process of how I’m doing, it’s just now the way I’m doing it is it fits with who I am. (Lesley: Yeah) So that’s a long winded response to how do you identify the truest version of yourself, but I think that you can look at what made you uncomfortable in the past, and you can at least start there.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I think that’s actually for a lot of people, it is harder to identify what is and versus what’s not. And so, you know, focus on what you’re not. And then you know, you’ll start to see the truest version of yourself. And also, I think, focus on your values like that, if you can get really clear on what your values are and (Brad: Yeah) what they’re not, that really can help you show up as your truest self because you won’t, you won’t change who you won’t change your you won’t, you won’t show up as having values that you don’t, or like normally resonate with. So anyways, that’s another tip on on that, but I hear you, it’s really, it’s really hard. When you feel like, “I’ve got to do this on social media, or I’ve got to do this to get people in my classes or I got to do this.” And one of the things I tell people all the time is like, “Do not wear a cropped-top on social media if you don’t wanna wear a cropped-top.” Like…

Brad Crowell
Oh, I was just thinking about Erika Quest and her her comment about wearing skimpy clothes (Lesley: Yeah) and like, you know, is that … is that her MO like, clearly it’s not her vibe, and that doesn’t make her feel comfortable. So she doesn’t do that.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So like, honestly, if it, if it is easier to figure out, like what doesn’t vibe with you? And then you can start to like look at things and get really clear and maybe it’s it maybe that’s your own journey that you’ve got to go on the next few months is like, “When do I feel like I’m actually my the most truest version of myself?” Yeah, Rob Mack’s happiness, health and values, it’s the same thing with what you can do the same thing with like, your when do you feel like your truest version of yourself. So think about people in your life, that when you show up, do you feel like you’d put on a show or you feel like you’d be somebody else, and then people places in your life where you feel like you are the most version of yourself and then just start to identify what those are so that you can go on this exploration of feeling what that is, because I agree with Kareen, being it is truly showing up.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, you know what, I didn’t even think of the family context. But I have I bet that is way more relatable to most people than a work context, you know, and in… (Lesley: Thank you) Yeah, and in most in most situations, you know, there is like an ob… obligation to, to be there and put on a smiley face and whatever, but, but um, you know, it doesn’t have to, you know, you can limit the amount of time you’re talking, spending with family, if it really is a lot of butting heads. And if you’re working in a job that you are consistently feeling like, “This is against my morality, the way we’re doing things here.” You have, you can leave, (Lesley: Yeah) you can leave and I know that it’s a scary thing. But there are other options out there and whether that is getting another job or working for yourself or whatever. You know, the only way you’re gonna get out is if you start planning an exit strategy now. (Lesley: Yeah) So…

Lesley Logan
Well, this is so fun. I thoroughly love talking to Kareen. I was honored that she would say yes, and y’all there are so many (Brad: Yeah, she’s awesome) ways you can connect with her. Whether you’re an entrepreneur or not, like you got gotta go and binge out on her Badass Journey podcast. She’s got a new situation coming out, but there’s some great, great episodes in there. So please check her out. And you know, let us know what your what you’re doing here. Okay, I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Thank you so much for joining us today and all the days that you join us. We are truly grateful to do this podcast for you. Please screenshot this episode. Put your takeaway on there, tag @be_it_pod. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell
See you soon.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Kevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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