INTRODUCTION

Lesley Logan
All right, where my astrology loving peeps at. This one’s for you. And if you’re like, “Ah I don’t know.” If you hear that someone’s an astrologer or does tarot readings or just Feng Shui you like want to walk away, I really do, please do me the massive favor of just listening to this because we actually go in with, with a much more explanatory way of how do these things affect your life. So not scary predictions, but just like an information that you can take action and I’m all about arming you with the tools to be it till you see it. So I wanted to bring up my friend Kate Wind, she also has a podcast, you’ll hear about it towards the end, and have her explain how your signs can assist you in knowing what steps to take next, and how to how to go through some things. And we also talked about the energy of your home. And my loves being it till you see it is not just about like consuming information and taking action, and then going home. Your home is such an important space for being it till you see it. And so she goes into great detail more than I’ve ever known about Feng Shui. And so I’m really excited for you to hear all this and be armed with some information. And I really do hope that you take that and her BE IT action steps and use them and then let us know how you use them. And then if you’re at all intrigued, you know, contact her find find someone like her because you you’re going to want this information in your life about who you are and what was going on when you were born to help you navigate what’s going on next in your world. All right, so here’s Kate Wind. Let’s get going. I am like giddy for you to hear all this information because it’s a lot of fun for me.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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EPISODE

Lesley Logan
All right, Be It babes. I’m really excited because I can, I know we met in person somewhere. And then we actually hung out. Oh, we met at a roller skating event. And then we hung out. Just two… just the four of us, actually, your partner, my husband and I. And I really just think that you’re the coolest woman. So y’all, I’m bringing on Kate Wind that’s who we have as a guest today because, well, I think we’ve all had questions about astrology and Feng Shui. And sometimes we say things like, “Damn mercury and retrograde.” And like, “Does that, what does that mean?” And it’s everything retrograde and mercury’s fault. Like, maybe we’re just blaming the wrong, the wrong planet, right. So I wanted to bring on Kate because I think in being it till you see it, there are some things you can dabble in, in the astrology world, in the Feng Shui world, and I know you’re like, “Lesley’s is gonna get woowoo.” It’s gonna be a one woo but it’s going to be a hard woo. And I think I think Kate is going to just enlighten us in some ways that are going to make us go, “Oh, maybe I should be looking into astrology or Feng Shui. So Kate, can you tell everyone who you are? And how you got to do what you’re doing?

Kate Wind
Absolutely. So first, thank you so much for having me on today. Second, I love that. It’s not gonna be woowoo just one big woo. But I appreciate you saying that because I’m an astrologer and Feng Shui consultant. And I love to bring these tools to people in a very digestible manner. So often, when you start talking about these things, people, they have two reactions when they meet me. One is, “Oh, my gosh, I love everything that you do.” Or the second one, they kind of almost back away, right? Or they just don’t even respond to what I said I do. So how I got into it is I’m a second generation Astrologer and Tarot reader and Fung Shui consultant. And I was raised with the language. But it wasn’t until five years ago, that I had an aha moment. And I decided I’m in the wrong industry. I can’t continue doing the corporate grind, like I’ve been doing, and I need to launch my own business.

Lesley Logan
So that’s interesting, because you’re second generation, I think a lot of people can resonate with maybe resisting a journey that they (Kate: Yeah) were pretty much born for, like you, you said it, you were like, you know, the language. Your parents, were speaking this all around you all the time. It was just kind of like how you grew up. Some kids grow up with their parents going to work nine to five, and you grew up with your parents reading Tarot cards.

Kate Wind
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And that is a great point. And I don’t think at the time that I knew that I was going against it. But I also thought I want to prove to myself that I can go out there and do something on my own. So I went to UNLV. I got my bachelor’s degree in Psychology. I knew I wanted to help people. And that ended me up in the spa industry. Right? I was a spa director for 12 something years, and that definitely is a form of helping people. It’s the the, you know, the therapy that happens to the body, the massages as the facials, but that wake up call. It was so intense. I was saying I need to help people on a deeper level. And I think too, when we talked about that, woo, when it comes to astrology, and Feng Shui like these are, these are tools that we can use that are just as good as therapy.

Lesley Logan
Can we talk about how they’re tools? Because I think (Kate: Yeah) that’s where people are, you said it, some people are like, “Oh my God, I love that. I like I (Kate: Yeah) have all the decks. Here’s the decks that I have.” And they’re like, (Kate: Yeah) and then other people are like, “Hmm, um okay. I’m gonna just step over. Why …” (Kate: Absolutely) So can we talk about what what these tools are just on a basic level? And then maybe we can find out like, why do people want to like step away? Do they think you’re a witch?

Kate Wind
Yeah, sometimes, sometimes, unfortunately. So you know with the astrology, in order to be able to write a horoscope column in the back of shape or vanity, we had to boil astrology down to the 12 signs, which our sun signs. Right? Just like me, and you would say, okay, we’re an Aquarius, or someone else’s Pisces. And sometimes that’s hard to believe. How can we put all of people into 12 simple categories, and that sounds very unrealistic. And it’s not to bash on sun sign, astrology, it has its place. But I don’t think a lot of people understand the depth of astrology. And that as an astrologer, I’m looking at all of your planets. I’m looking at what signs all of the planets sitting in your chart. I’m looking at what houses they sit in. I’m looking at the aspects that they make to each other, how they communicate to each other. And I start telling you things about you based on your chart that some people sit back and say, “I’ve been in therapy for two years, and I haven’t received this type of validation.” Right? They say they feel seen. They say, “Oh, you’ve put into words how I felt my entire life.”

Lesley Logan
Okay, this is brilliant, because this is why, this is why I want to bring you on, because I think in being it until we see it, we have to accept ourselves. And I think sometimes we think there’s something wrong with us. But (Kate: Yeah) actually what that thing is that everyone is going, why do they do it like that? That’s a little your uniqueness. It’s (Kate: Yeah) based on your birth chart, which is more than your sun sign. And it’s like, if you kind of went in with that uniqueness, it probably would take you to where you want to go.

Kate Wind
Yes. And so many people think astrology or tarot, for example, like, “Oh, I don’t want you to tell me when I’m going to die.” Okay, that’s not what I’m doing. (Lesley and Kate laughs) I’m not doing that.

Lesley Logan
Maybe that’s why they’re scared and walking away. They’re like, “Oh, my God, she knows the end.”

Kate Wind
Yes. Or they think I’m going to tell them something horrible. And like I and I understand, readers have gotten a bad rap. Because clearly there are readers out there that like to talk about bad news. Right? You have to find just like a therapist, you have to find a reader that you feel comfortable with, that you resonate with their language. And I can guarantee you I do not talk about I don’t talk about death, I don’t talk about and if we talk about things that maybe aren’t as fun to talk about. Right? I give you very practical examples of how I’ve seen clients live through it. So you’re not getting off the phone saying, “I’m afraid to leave my house today.” (Lesley: Right). That’s not what it’s about. That’d be a complete disservice, I think and very unethical as well you know to do.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Yeah, I think that is I think that is thank you for pointing that out. And I it’s like anything, you know, because as a Pilates instructor, people like, “Oh, I tried that once. That didn’t work for me.” It’s like, well, you probably just had the wrong teacher for you, or you picked the wrong type of Pilates. Like there’s so many, there’s not just one way of anything, anywhere. (Kate: Correct) So, so there’s that. So as a great tool for really figuring ourselves out, which I think is cool, and really helping us navigate steps we should take. That’s kind of like what you do on that side. So Feng Shui, how is that a tool that people can use?

Kate Wind
Okay, so for the Feng Shui, a lot of times people say, “Oh, yeah, I have a red door, or oh, my bed faces a certain direction.” Right. Don’t get me wrong, those are great. But Feng Shui is so much more than that. Okay? And if you’ve ever created a vision board, right, where you cut out the little magazine pieces, and you put it on some construction paper, that’s telling me that you believe in the power of seeing something putting it on your wall, seening it every day, and that it’s going to manifest. So how would we not operate if we believe in that, that our home is an extension of our energy? And what we put on our walls, through artwork, through color, through placement, is asking the universe for more of those things.

Lesley Logan
Cool. So that’s like, that’s like, there’s your your putting things in place around your home is not as visual evidence, but also things that could open up what is to come what you want to come in what you want to bring into your life. So you could be (Kate: Yes) you could be putting things in your house in a way that is like blocking the things you want versus like just making some changes. It’s not just the red door.

Kate Wind
Yes. And I can give some great examples, because storytelling sometimes is the most fun. But even if you’re listening, you’re thinking, “Oh, I’ve never created a vision board because I don’t I don’t believe in that.” I want to give one other example. Okay, (Lesley: Yeah) if you’ve ever been on a diet, and so you say, “You know what, okay, starting Monday, I’m starting my diet.” So over the weekend, you go through your pantry, you throw out all the candies, you hide the flour, whatever it is, you stock the fridge with fruits and vegetables, waters, whatever, you’re changing your environment in order to get a result. And I think that’s really what Feng Shui comes down too. We can sometimes become overwhelmed within ourselves, how do I make a change? Okay, well change your environment. Sometimes it’s not just the mindset. So I know I’ve read a very cute story about you. Where you manifested Brad? (Lesley: Yeah) Right. With the two coffee cups. (Lesley: Yeah) Okay, so often I’m in someone’s home and they have one reclining chair in the living room. So if anyone was to come over, where would they sit? Are men in people’s homes where they only make one side of the bed? They only have one pillow, one nightstand. Okay, well, where would this other person belong in your life? To me, you’re telling the universe I like one person sleeping in this bed because it’s not even made for two. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah.) Examples like that is what I consider the power of working with your home to create the reality.

Lesley Logan
So I love this because even for people who are trying to make room for something in their in goals, like in their business where they want to have a new job or bring something in, if you don’t have create if you don’t create space in your calendar. (Kate: Yeah) You’re not going to be able to bring in that new side hustle that thing that you want to do next. So you it’s like we think of Feng Shui as like, these particular things like I, when I think of Feng Shui, I never will forget my mom getting my first apartment. She’s like, “Your toilet is in your relationships corner.”

Kate Wind
Yeah, yeah. That’s very real.

Lesley Logan
She’s like, “But it’s okay because we put this thing over here. This is gonna do.” (Kate: Yeah) But it’s also it’s also just like setting yourself up, setting things up to bring in what you want more of and looking around to see what things are you actually not welcoming in by putting on like, I will, I will remember when I first got my own place after I was homeless and single. I had wanted to create as much room as possible in my studio apartment, of course. So I pushed the bed up against the corner. (Kate: Okay) So guess what, y’all let me tell you that lasted two weeks because the moment someone has stayed a night. I was like, “How do we get out of bed to go to bathroom?” Like what … (Kate and Lesley laughs) What is happening here?

Kate Wind
Yeah. Yeah. Well, so I mean, so many things I want to say to that, yes, beds in the corners, like that reminds me of like a child’s room, or even a prison cell. And that’s the thing is during a consultation with the client, I’m not going to come in and accuse them of those things. But I’m gonna say, “What’s happened since you put your bed in the corner?” Or “What do you think would happen if we move the bed out of the corner and put you in the power position?” Right. So it’s simple things like that. And I do not want to discredit the bagua of course, the different elements. I do all that as well. Sometimes that’s not as fun storytelling, though, when we’re talking about what I’m doing. Right. And …

Lesley Logan
Brad’s gonna want to know what a bagua is. He’s definitely … aware that what a …

Kate Wind
Yes, so it’s like a floor plan that we put over the home, based on the front door of the home. And there’s different corners. So there’s a corner and everyone’s home from money, for relationships, for your fame and reputation, for your cash flow, for your helpful people. And again, it’s all based off of the front door. But I wanted to tell a quick story about you had mentioned about the business because we gave a lot of examples about relationships. And maybe people are listening and saying, “I have a relationship. Those don’t apply to me.” Right? (Lesley: Yeah) But I was working with a client who she was self employed, and she catered almost exclusively to women. And in her financial corner, she had an image of a woman’s back. Okay, and it was beautiful. It was but it was an outline, but it’s clearly the back of a woman. And I said, “Do you feel like women have been turning their back on you?” In the financial corner, right? We have a woman turning away, and giving just the back side. And she said, “I’ve loved this painting since I was little I’ve had this for years.” I said, “What if we just do an experiment and take it down for two weeks? Put it in your garage, put it somewhere to take it down.” She said, “Okay, I’ll do that.” Within a couple of days, right? She was texting me. She’s like, “I just sold three of my highest level classes. I can’t believe this.” Right. But we buy artwork, because we’re attracted to it. Right? Maybe she was going through a divorce. And she was like, “I feel connected with that solo woman in that image.” But as well as Americans, right, we buy things and we put in our home and we kind of stay like, “You’re gonna stay there until I move.” Right?

Lesley Logan
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, it’s actually really funny is when I like to clean up the house, every beginning of every year like to move things around. I like I was we’re currently sitting here I redid this table, mostly for a photo shoot, but now I’m like, well, I’m gonna keep it because this is like, all of my crystals are here these things right. And we redesigned the living room. I always like the live room was like, I don’t know, I don’t know, if I, I don’t know what we put, you know, we moved in, we put everything in there. And for the so funny for a photoshoot, I was like, well, this living room is not on brand with the photos we have to do. So we just bought this rug randomly. And I just put it in the podcast room because I hate the carpet. And when I come out to get ready for the shoot, they took the carpet that I put in the podcast room and they moved it over the couch. And then we rolled the rug up and put on different rugs from the other rooms. And I was like, “Oh, well the living room is staying like this every year.” (Kate: Yeah. Okay.) Because it feels so spacious. It feels so rich. It feels like warm and like you want to sit in it. And and so like, I think, you know, I used it my mom’s will listen to this and she would change the house in the middle of night and with her Feng Shui and all the things. (Kate: Yeah) And my dad did flip over a couch because the couch moved. (Kate: Okay) Walking in the dark. (Kate: I get it.) But I think it’s important to move things around. It’s in my writing like we’re moving the energy around so if you’re like wanting to change things up in your life, like moving things around in your house can help do that.

Kate Wind
Yeah, and that’s a very simple example too. Like, think of a desk that’s been sitting in the carpet for so long and it think how hard it is to move it that initial inch because it’s really dug its its weight if you will into the carpet or it leaves those little marks. And so it’s even a very, very simple exercise where might say take something that’s been in your house that’s been sitting there for a long time and shift it by two inches. Because some people are resistant to change. I love that you’re saying I’m moving myself around. I love to move my stuff around too. But some people do not like that. And so if you’re listening saying that sounds great, but I’m, I’m not on board for that. (Lesley: Yeah) Try just shifting your stuff by a few inches in while you’re doing it set the intention of unsticking yourself in whatever situation that might be in your relationship, in a job that you don’t like and a friendship that isn’t a two way street anymore. Whatever it is.

Lesley Logan
This is so cool. That’s so what a great like little action step you could take. It’s just like just and have the and have the intention around what you’re trying to unstick with that. Cool. Okay. So I love that. Probably come back to this but I wanted to, for for the people who are with the tarot cards and with the astrology. I’m wondering, are there certain signs? And this is maybe like a broad question, but like, are there certain signs that like it’s easier for them to show up more confidently to to take action? Or is every sign capable of doing that? It’s just that them recognizing their strengths and powers.

Kate Wind
I operate under the idea that your sun sign is not doing you a disservice. However, yes, people like fire signs, for example, right? We would think oh, Aries, Leo, Sagittarius might show up more confidently. But if you’re a Le… an Aries sun, and you have Venus, the planet of love and beauty and softness, right sitting on your sun, it’s going to take away some of that power, it’s going to soften some of that fire even. So I don’t think that there is a way to just say, oh, you know, boil it down to those 12 signs.

Lesley Logan
Right. It’s like, because you’ll hear things like, oh, there have been more presidents who have an Aquarius sign than anything else. And I’m like, well, that’s amazing. (Kate: I know, I know.) But it’s also kind of hilarious, because it’s just like, there’s so much more than just your sun sign. And also, I love that you pointed out that it’s not here to do a disservice to you. And I think that’s really cool. Because I, I often hear well, I, it has to be like this, because I’m a Virgo, or whatever. And …

Kate Wind
I know people like to blame their astrology sign for their behavior. And sometimes it’s just funny. And I can totally appreciate the humor for that. But sometimes I think people are serious that they think that they have to be a certain way because of their sign.

Lesley Logan
And that’s not that they have a control around that they are something they can do.

Kate Wind
Yeah. Especially if you’re just basing off of that sun sign.

Lesley Logan
So what are their, what other parts of the signs should people be paying attention to? They should they all do their birth chart? And like, what would that reveal and that your birth? Your chart doesn’t change over time, right? You would look at it at different times in your life, but it stays the same.

Kate Wind
Correct. So there’s two different ways in astrology one, you could have a natal birth chart reading. So we would just look at where the planets were when you were born. And those don’t change, right, we can’t go back and change what the planets look like in 1985. So that gives insight into lifelong themes. I think people have become a little bit more familiar with their big three, so their son, their moon and their rising sign, and that absolutely starts coloring, you know the picture. But I think having a natal birth, birth chart reading, you understand the degrees, you understand what the degrees mean, you understand the aspects. And again, that can give you insight into those lifelong themes. And sometimes people we… you know, we question ourselves, we think, oh, you know, I’m different or I’m weird. And leaning into it and hearing someone validate. No, that’s in your chart. That’s how you’re supposed to be acting. That’s how you react to things. That is what you’re good at. Those are situations that you will continue and continue and continue to come up against in your life. It’s like, oh, my God, so much like validity that you’re getting from someone.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. This is so this is so interesting, because there’s like I said, sun rising and moon. And I think, like, I lived in LA for 14 years. And I and it’s I say it as a joke, but actually, I’ve heard other podcasters that I listened to who live in LA like, when you come to LA they just immediately give you a drop of understanding astrology in a very … (Kate: Yes, yes.) Well, you just pick up on it. (Kate: Yeah.) So I was like, so I know the sun and the rising I did not actually know about the moon. So so that’s interesting. So you had the you have the natal chart and then there’s what is the other chart then?

Kate Wind
So then I want to be more predictive. So we’re base… we’re basing it off of your natal chart where were those planets when you were born? But now we’re saying where are the planets right now as we’re speaking and how do they aspect that planets when you’re born? (Lesley: Oh.) So we might say oh, Saturn is approaching your sun, that happens for all of us every seven years or so not at the exact time because it’s going to depend on where Saturn was and where the sun was when you were born. And then we can talk about linking years. So I can say, “Okay, you’re about to go through this energy. But before we talk about this energy, tell me what was going on in 1993.” Right, and I’ll have the client go down kind of memory lane, those are great examples. You’re going to be going through that energy again. Now, maybe there’s 28 years difference between that time, so it’s not gonna happen the exact same way. But there’s comfortability. And knowing I’ve been here before, I survived it. Nothing horrible happened. Right. And now here we are going through it again.

Lesley Logan
That is actually really cool stuff. Because instead of you go thinking like something new is happening to you, you actually can go, you can actually have this confidence. Like, “Oh, I have the data, I survived that.” (Kate: Right. Exactly.) I’m also much older (Kate: Yeah) and I’ve experienced it so I can bring that with me. And you don’t have to make it, it doesn’t have to feel so foreign or unknown.

Kate Wind
Yes, exactly. And there will be energies where I will say, this is once in a lifetime energy, or you have never been through this or, you know, some people will never go through this in their life. I do prefernce those things, right to walk through it. But I love to take notes from my clients. So I have great stories of how people have lived it out. Of course, I’m never divulging people’s names, right. It’s all very confidential, but I’ll just say I’ve seen clients, this has happened to them, or that has happened to them. So these are some examples of how you might see it play out in your life.

Lesley Logan
So here’s what’s so amazing is that and this is why I’m glad it’s it was a one woo because it really is because in some ways, you’re like a therapist. You’re just using a different science, then the psychology or you know, there’s like a couple others out there. You’re you’re you’re using a historical form of like, predictions, like a different word, that word I don’t want to use, but like you’re looking at things and you’re going okay, here’s how other people have done it. Here’s how we’ve done it, we could take this data, and then you based on here’s your strengths, and here’s what you were, here’s what you were born with, can go and navigate it. It’s really, like supportive. And I think I remember growing up and people like reading their, “Oh, my astrology said, I’m an … blah, blah, blah. This week, it was like something bad.”

Kate Wind
I know. I know. I read them sometimes. And I’m like, “Oh, my goodness.”

Lesley Logan
Okay, so then let’s talk about … so you mentioned that there’s some things that I could be going through based on when I was born, and that time happening, and like you wouldn’t like the seven year thing. (Kate: Sure.) But then there’s the thing that like literally makes the news and Mercury’s in retrograde, like it makes the news and everyone’s afraid of like, (Kate: Yeah, I know.) fax machine, I can’t believe anyone has a fax machine still. Reason it’s not working. So that shouldn’t be but like, what, what is that and what should people like? How should people approach that? But so it’s not like, “Ah this was the worst several weeks of my life.”

Kate Wind
Yes. Okay. It’s so funny because all of the planets retrograde. (Lesley: Right.) Pluto retrograde, Saturn retrogrades, Jupiter, you name it, they all retrograde. I don’t know why Mercury has taken the hit for all the planets retrograding it’s like the redheaded stepchild of the planets or something I don’t know, right? It’s it, it gets a lot of heat for for it. And there’s some validity in it for sure. But Mercury retrogrades is two to three times a year. So we are so familiar with that. Think if you take your age times two or three, that’s how many times you’ve dealt with Mercury retrograde in your life. That’s pretty crazy. I would say something kind of interesting, though. If you’ve seen your birth chart, most of them will make a note of what planets were in retrograde status when you were born. And some people that were born with under a Mercury retrograde which could be rather common because it retrogrades two to three times a year. Sometimes clients say they feel more compatible when Mercury is in retrograde status, because that’s what they were born under. That’s what they know. (Lesley: Yeah.) That’s what was built into their chart.

Lesley Logan
Oh, that makes so much sense to me. Because like, I remember being in a yoga class and it was after it was like a totally rainy stormy night the night before and he was like how many of you didn’t sleep well, because the rain and I looked around I was like, oh my God, like slept like a baby. (Kate: Right. Yeah.) Like bring on this storm. (Kate: Yeah, absolutely.) Okay, that that makes a lot of sense. And yes, it doesn’t get out. I have to, I have a funny Mercury story. So my engagement ring. When Brad called my jewelry designer app to say, “Hey, I want to propose to Lesley.” She’s like, “Oh, don’t worry, give me five weeks.” (Kate: Okay) And he goes, “Okay. Like that’s you don’t need any …” He’s like she was like, “I already know. I got the size and what she wants, like, just give me five weeks.” (Kate: Oh my God.) So he calls her five weeks later and he goes, “Hey, I haven’t heard from you like, how’s everything going?” She’s like, “It’s not right. I don’t like it. I shouldn’t have started during retrograde. I’m gonna do another one.” (Kate: Okay. Yeah.) I saw that one. And it’s true, if not the one for me.

Kate Wind
Yeah. Well and so there’s a positive to Mercury retrograde, right. We want to blame it on everything, but because it’s in retrograde, R E, right? I say it, it really supports doing anything that begins with R E, rethink, reconsider, redesign, reorganize, relaunch, like, if we can work with the energy, then it will be more supportive. (Lesley: Okay, that’s cool.) Right. So I understand what the ring thing that probably was a setback. You know, Brad could have been kind of disappointed. Well, oh, I had reservations for this time or whatever, based on this five week thing. But you’re jewel… jewelers. Wow. Is this that called? (Lesley: Jeweler) Jeweler. Your jeweler was probably like, “I’m going to redesign it.” And I’m hoping that she was more satisfied with the end result.

Lesley Logan
Oh, yeah. I’m a 72.

Kate Wind
Yeah, okay. Right, but reworking it, redesigning it. And that’s a way to be more compatible with the energy.

Lesley Logan
Okay, that I think that’s really cool, because I think it is more actionable that way. (Kate: Yeah) So instead of going, oh, you know, I’ve my friend and I would go for a run. He’s like, “Retrograde starting right now. And I’ve got this thing going on and da da da.” And it’s like, if I had known that I could, there could be like, “Oh, during this time, instead of doing these things, I’m gonna focus my energy more around this.” (Kate: Absolutely) And that, I mean, for those people who listen to the show that they love, an action that they can take, and, and I always say like action is the antidote to fear, right? It brings clarity. And so if you can take action instead of like, going, “Oh, just wait for this to stop messing with my email and my computer.” And …

Kate Wind
Yeah, yeah. Well, if especially yeah, when you hear the next retrogrades coming. If you’ve been thinking about redesigning your website, to rework your menus, save it, save it for Mercury retrograde, because that’s the time that you should be rethinking.

Lesley Logan
Okay, are there any other times in the year that we should be thinking about other stuff? Is there a different retrograde that we’re thinking of the wrong way?

Kate Wind
Um, oh my gosh, well, so because I had mentioned all planets retrograde. Oh, my gosh, that’s such a loaded question I’m trying to think where I want to go with that. (Lesley and Kate laughs) Um, you know what, I might switch it a little bit on you. But I might suggest that we should be watching right now. Pluto. (Lesley: Okay) Okay, Pluto just went direct here, August 8, I’m sorry October 8. So here, just a couple you know, pretty recently, and Pluto also retrogrades every year, not a lot of people talk about Pluto retrograde. But the reason why it’s very significant right now is because since it’s moving direct, that means that it’s headed straight for the sign of Aquarius. Now, we haven’t seen Pluto change signs since 2008. So we’ll walk through a little exercise here. Pluto moved into Capricorn in 2008. Pluto can be rather disruptive. We’re talking very different from Mercury at this point, right? (Lesley: Okay) So those the before and after. It’s the scene, kind of the guts of the situation. Its power, its its money. And it moved into Capricorn, which rules are structural systems of our society. So our government, our laws, or rules. So we go back to 2008 when Pluto moved into Capricorn, of course, most people already know what I’m about to say. But right, we saw the recession, we saw the housing crisis, we saw a disruption in a lot of the policies and procedures that we thought were safe, or sound that are they’ll always be there. This is how it will always be. And now as we’re speaking, we’re seeing the book end to Pluto and Capricorn. And I talk to clients about this as well, when they go through long cycles. Okay, what happened when this energy moved in, in this year? Oh, we’re in the book end here. And oh, my gosh, people have such aha moments. Oh, my gosh, are you kidding me? It’s like the exact same storyline. Right? How are we doing this? 30 years later?

Lesley Logan
Yeah. This is so okay. That’s interesting. So then as it’s from the book end. (Kate: Yeah) And it’s about to switch signs. (Kate: Correct) Is this going to be a good thing? Like, do we want it to get out of it? Or is or is Aquarius going to like set it all on fire?

Kate Wind
I know. I’m excited for it to move into Aquarius. Again, I love Aquarian energy. I am an Aquarius sun, right. (Lesley: Yeah) I love Aquarius too. Yes. Aquarius is for the people. You know, I do think we are seeing a shift. Right. That there I do think yes, people are getting more rich. I understand, I’m not taking that away. But we have platforms now where we can communicate as normal, just everyday working people. We have a larger voice because of platforms because of TikTok because of different things where we can get together and kind of rally together or share our insight quicker than we’ve ever been able to do it before. So I do think that Aquarius will accentuate that. And we will see some of the power being taken away from a lot of the stuff that was created since 2008.

Lesley Logan
Okay, well, that’s cool. (Kate: Yeah) I think that’s can be. I think there’s, there’s good sides to that. And this is like, so here’s what’s so funny is like, you can use astrology for your own personal stuff. And then you can look at it as like a global energy of what’s happening. And doesn’t that tie us all so much more together that like, we’re not just like individual people like running around, not knowing what to do like the whole … We’re all going through this together with our own stuff.

Kate Wind
Correct. Yes. That was like, even when the pandemic went off, we had Pluto and Saturn meeting up for the first time in the sign of Capricorn, you know, and astrologers were saying, like, something big is gonna happen in 2020, like, something’s big is gonna happen when these come together. Well, of course, I was concerned about what’s going to happen on a worldly level, but also, I was looking at people’s charts. Okay, where is it happening in the person’s chart. And, you know, everyone was affected differently, by what we’ve been through the past two years, some people made a lot of money off of it. Some people it hit really hard. Well, because that conjunction that we were all dealing with on a much lev… much larger level was also personally affecting each of the birth charts based on where those planets were when you were born. And that’s how you can take a very wide conjunction or like, not conjunction, but like, you know, a wide theme, and then say, well, how did some people benefit and some people didn’t. Some people came out ahead, and some people went into depression.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So this is interesting, because it is true, like, I will look back at like, you know, how Brad night shift in the last couple of years. And then you can look at another situation with someone and that was not what happened. And it can be easy to feel a little bit guilty, like, you know, and I’m not saying I don’t feel guilty at all, but like, it is interesting to see, like, some of that stuff is out of everyone’s control. Some of that was just like the, when they say that’s how the stars aligned. It’s really how the stars aligned. (Kate: Truly, truly.) And I also, I think it’s has to be very interesting for you to be able to see that something is coming, but not have the details of all the things just know that like, you’re, you’re like something big is about to happen, and you’re kind of just waiting to see what that thing is. How do you wait?

Kate Wind
I know. I know. Honestly, that is the hard part. Because I mean, I am a human as well. Right? Like, I have money in the stock market like all those normal things. Right? That will affect me as well. So yeah, the waiting part is, is kind of hard for sure. (Lesley: Yeah) But like even like the Pluto moving into Aquarius, like, you know, sometimes when we’re in it, it’s not as easy to see, you know, and we the last time we saw Pluto move into Aquarius was like the US was one or two years old. (Lesley: Wow) So it’s like I could read history books about what was going on during that time. But we’ve (Lesley: Yeah) had so much technology happen, we, you know, we’ve evolved so much that it can’t be the exact same storyline, but I’m sure that there will be a lot of similarities between what happened.

Lesley Logan
So here’s what’s really interesting in that there’s a common theme where there’s something coming up, and then you look back at the history of that thing, whether is from the stars and the signs moving based on the worldly events. But also you said, with our own thing, we can look back, okay, what what has happened to you in 2008? How is that so it’s gonna be similar energy. (Kate: Yes) And when we do those things, it gives us a data that shows us science, and we can have more confidence and move into those next things. And so I think, when I ask you like, how do you wait? It sounds like, you wait, but you also are still taking action, you’re still living life. And like, in being it until we see it, it’s not about like waiting until we become the thing. It’s like, getting the information that we can glean from something. (Kate: Yes) And then taking action with that information.

Kate Wind
Yeah. And I will give clients like positive ways of living out the energies. Or I’ll say, “Hey, be proactive about it. I’m telling you these things.” For example, like there’s an energy I talked about where I’m saying you might be overly concerned about fire safety. Now, this is a very weird example. I don’t talk about this often, right? But I’m telling a client that well, I would hope that they would be proactive and say, “Maybe I should check the smoke alarms in my house. Maybe I should see what the expiration date is on my fire extinguisher. Maybe I’m going to fix the fireplace that hasn’t worked in six months.” Those are great. So now you’ve heard this information. Now you can take proactive steps instead of sitting around saying, “Oh, no is my house gonna catch on fire?” (Lesley: Yes) Right.

Lesley Logan
Yes. Yeah. Well, I mean, this is all so great. Okay. So really quick, because I feel like we didn’t even touch like we didn’t really make it (Kate: I know.) back on the surface of any of these things. (Kate: I know.) But for people who are like, “Okay, what do what, what do I need to do? Do I need to go do my natal chart? Do I need a Tarot reading?” When would it, can be really quick, like, how often should you be getting a Tarot reading? (Kate: Yeah, absolutely.) How would you get that one.

Kate Wind
Yeah, so I think every three to six months is a healthy kind of schedule to be on. I see clients more often than that and I see clients less often than that. So, but I do think that it is just a tool, just like seeing a therapist, right. At some point, that therapist is going to say, how do you feel about this? Like, what do you think? Like I, we can’t use it as a crutch. So I don’t think you know, every couple of weeks, sometimes it can become a little overkill, right? Where I have to say, let’s put some responsibility on ourselves as well. Not just these tools. (Lesley: Yeah) So every three to six months, I think is healthy. If you’ve never had an astrology chart, I would start with a natal birth chart reading. And even if you are a little verse already in astrology, like I said, everyone talk speaks a little bit differently. Everyone has different language that they bring to the table. So you know, if you’re looking to get a six to 12 month outlook, what energies do I have coming in the next six to 12 months, then we can work with more of the predictive side of the chart.

Lesley Logan
That’s cool. So if you’re, if you’re getting ready to maybe switch careers, and you have a goal that perhaps in the next six to 12 months, you could do a more predictive charts, you can kind of balance out the energies and really kind of know what to expect. (Kate: Yes) That’s so cool. (Kate: Yeah) I love it. I think it’s amazing. With Feng Shui (Kate: Yeah) is that something that is ongoing? Is it something you can like well, I mean, this sounds redundant, because we’ve talked about earlier, you do, you do it, you do it one time. And that’s it. Are you kind of re Feng Shui everyone’s well. Correct.

Kate Wind
Yeah, I know, because I’ve had people say,oh I’ve had a Feng Shui console before. Okay, that’s like saying, if you’ve had a haircut before, it is an ongoing process, right? Because we’re always changing. And our house is always changing, whether we’re moving a new animal in, or we’re our, we bought a bunch of new clothes that were on sale, and now our closets packed, or something breaks. And so we’re not using it, the homes constantly changing. So that’s what I love about the consults that I offer that I teach you things, I don’t just say, move this here, do this, do that. I want you to understand why we’re doing it. I want to make sure that you relate to what I think the artwork or the position of the furniture is doing or manifesting in your life. And so I leave you with those tools to then take a more discriminative look at your house to say what is my house saying. And that gets really wild, right is where you have a financial breakthrough. And then something is happening in your financial corner in your home, where, where a tree branch breaks off of a big tree, within 24 hours of you having some sort of, you know, financial breakthrough. It’s, it’s so weird, right? And I have hundreds of stories about how either the home speaks and then something happens in our life or something happens in our life, and then the home has to react.

Lesley Logan
That this is so so this I think more people have experienced in something like that without even knowing it. Because they’ll, you know, like my, my girlfriend, she she texts me this morning. She’s like, she’s like, “Well, something was going on because I I’ve never done this by spilt coffee all over my desk, and in trying to clean it up. I fell down the stairs.” And like, (Kate: Oh my gosh. Yeah.) she’s okay, she’s fine. (Kate: Okay.) I feel like I had some sort of karmic breakthrough. Something just happened. But like, it’s, I think it’s very fascinating because we could, you know, the tree could fall and go, that’s really sad for them. But then if they was in their financial corner, they had a windfall of some kind like wasn’t that bad.

Kate Wind
Exactly, exactly. Yes. The home speaks to us, as well understanding the bagua. Or even just taking a more again, like look at your life. Okay, what kind of breakthrough did I have? Especially if there’s something that broke in the house? Or you bring something nicer into the home? Okay, and now I now I have a change in my life. It’s all it’s all related.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Oh, my goodness, I want to talk to you forever. And I just had this like vision of like, I’m gonna have to have you back for like an annual like, update on like, what’s, (Kate: Yes, yeah.) something, but (Kate: Sure) we’re gonna take a quick break, and then we’re gonna let people know where they can work with you, get their natal chart or Feng Shui work done.

All right, Kate. So where do people, where do you hang out? Where do people find you? How can they work with you?

Kate Wind
Absolutely. So um, I have a website, which is www.thekatewind.com. And then I’m also on Instagram at @the_katewind. And then I also run a podcast with my mom called Mom and Me Astrology.

Lesley Logan
Okay, that’s so fun. Do you guys just talk about what’s happening in the world starts at that time.

Kate Wind
Yeah. So we launch a weekly podcast and like, right now we’re talking about the eclipse seasons. But, you know, back during the election, we were looking at the potential president’s charts. We absolutely talk about, you know what’s going on in the world. So we talk about news headlines. Okay, where does this news headline fall into the astrology piece? Again, it’s just a great tool if anyone’s trying to learn more about astrology, like, how, how does it all connect? But then, of course, many of the episodes, we’ve run through all 12 of the signs, okay, Mercury’s retrograde. How does it affect all the 12 signs Mars retrograde? How’s it affecting all 12 of the signs?

Lesley Logan
Okay, well, you’re going on my downloads right now. (Kate: Okay) Everyone, I just have to say, like, when I was talking with Kate, one of the first time we met, this is something that she and her mom, or you did mention this, like you guys look at different states or countries and their charts, and (Kate: Yes) explains a lot about the energy that’s happening over there. And I think, I think that’s really cool information to have. So as people interact with those things they can have that they can be armed with that information. So check out her podcast. Okay, before I let you go. (Kate: Yes) BE IT action items, so how can like bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted that people can take to be it till they see it? How would that work with what you’ve got for us?

Kate Wind
Absolutely. I would say take a look at your home. And what is your home saying? I want you to look at the artwork, the pictures that are on your wall? Are they current? Are they updated? Are they sad? Are they scary? I want what is on your walls to look abundant. I don’t want them to be little dead, frail trees. If you have an orchid plant that someone gave you for your birthday two years ago, and it doesn’t have any more flowers on it. Like I’m giving you permission to throw it away. Anything that’s broken in your home, get rid of that energy, because it is all reflective. It all takes a toll on our physical lives. So remove the dead energy. If there’s if you’re listening, you’re thinking, “I don’t have any dead energy in in my house.” I want you to do this. I want you to go around your house. I want you to take note of where you cuss. What area of your home brings you so much frustration that you’re spilling those four letter words. Okay? Maybe that’s a rug that you always trip over the corner because it’s not taped down. Maybe it’s a drawer that you can’t open because you have six spatulas in there. Why do we need six spatulas? Right? I want to take notes of those plays. And that’s where I want you to start. Because those are creating hiccups in your space that then change your energy. Right? So you just tripped over the rug. And now your husband walks into the room. Who are you shaking that out on? Right. Now, you’re in a crappy mood. And husband tries to tell you something right. And you’re giving your sourmouth attitude or something. So I, discover where you cuss in your home.

Lesley Logan
It such a great … (Kate: Right) Because it is true. I love that you thought about people like okay, maybe you don’t, maybe you don’t have any debt plants are really good at giving you those things. Well then where are you cussing. And Claire, I know you’re listening. She’s been tripping a lot lately. (Kate: Oh no) I think you might want to see where that is happening in your apartment.

Kate Wind
Yes. Oh my gosh. Absolutely. There, oh my God. Yeah. That’s fascinating. That’s fascinating.

Lesley Logan
Oh, yeah. Well, thank you for that. I think this is very timely because I always do it on New Years. I always go through all the drawers and all the clothes and all the shoes because I’m like, “I don’t want to take this stuff into the next year with me.” (Kate: Yeah) So y’all how are you going to use these tips in your life? You want to tag @the_katewind, the @be_it_pod. Let us know. Share with a friend if you are, you’re intrigued, if we’ve piqued your interest, if you’re feeling like seen that you’re, you are who you are based on like all these important things the planet that makes you contact her and let us know how this affected you. We want to hear about it and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

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Lesley Logan
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Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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