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White Coat Silence

Ep. 178 with Lesley & Brad

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Have you heard of the white coat silence? If not, you may be falling prey to the intimidation and people-pleasing that can happen you step foot into your medical professional’s office. Tune into this episode to begin to take back your voice and walk away from each of your doctor appointments with confidence.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Is there a right time to do Pilates?
  • The issue with white-coat silence
  • How you can use your body knowledge for advocacy
  • The preventive to people pleasing with your doctor
  • How you can evaluate your medical professional
  • The importance of having the right people on your team

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Transcript

Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the advocational convo I had with Lindsay Moore. I think we made that word up.

Brad Crowell
No, I looked that up. (Lesley: Okay, well …) I mean, I replace that, it keeps trying to say a-vocational, but advocational is in the Wiktionary. (Lesley: Oh.) Yeah.

Lesley Logan
Okay. All right. So, in our last episode, if you haven’t yet listened to episode, go back and listen to it now or feel free to pause this one. Listen to it. Don’t listen to it. Then listen to this one and go back and listen to it. You’re gonna love Lindsay’s voice. I’m gonna be really honest. (Brad: She’s very sweet.) Go listen to it. If you want to listen to this one first and then the other one. I know people do that this because they tend to listen to things on like the end the week and then they go backwards in time. It’s also fine. It’s kind of like, knowing the answers before the questions. I don’t know. It feels, it feels good. So you do you. It’s really what we’re saying.

Brad Crowell
So it’s starting at the end of the maze. (Lesley: That’s me.) Yes, it is.

Lesley Logan
Y’all okay, this is not in our notes, but I just have to say this because Brad was in there for this. But I’m in when I was on the Kate Wind podcast, Mom and Me Astrology. They said that like you know as with the way my chart reads, it’s like really good with like before and afters. And I didn’t say it but I want to say is I’m really focused on the after, and then figuring out how to get from there to the before which is now. So anyway, if you listen to that episode, you know, I like it before and after, but for different reasons.

Brad Crowell
That is amazing. (Lesley: Okay.) All right. Well, before we get started, we got a couple quick things.

Lesley Logan
Hello, from Monterey, California. We’re at the Balanced Body POT. Y’all. We are at this POT right now. We’re going to be in Korea at the South Korea POT and Seoul that is in I think May, and then we’re going to be in Miami for that POT. So like, (Brad: Yeah, like this year.) get on the POT train. It’s so much fun.

Brad Crowell
It’s a blast.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. How do you get on that? That’s a Balanced Body question. But, but but just know that we’re there. So we hope to see you. (Brad: Yes.) And if you’re in Monterey right now. Well, we’re we’re here. (Brad: Come and say, Hi.) We’re one of the hotels on the main drag. So there you go.

Brad Crowell
You’ll see us bopping around the event. (Lesley: Yeah. Can’t miss that.) We already have a table.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And in a week and a half, we’re gonna do a pre sale for the chairs flashcards. Oh my God, I’m so proud of myself. … I’m so proud of myself because I was I was really worried that this is gonna be another nine month project. But like I’ve been really meeting the deadlines and the our team is really got my back, we got a really good system going on. So I’m so excited to say that we are literally we going halfway from opening up the opportunity to buy up early so that we can hit print, and then you will get the best deal on the show, on the up, I don’t know on the road, on the in the in the …

Brad Crowell
On the presale.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, you’ll get the best deal. It’s the pre sale, it’s the best deal. (Brad: Yeah.) It’ll be regular price when they come out, just so you know. (Brad: That’s right.) So if you’re like, “Oh, wait till they ship.” You’ll just pay more. Thank you, but you can pay less and buy early.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, so we’ve got a waitlist for you. Only those who are on the waitlist, they’re gonna get the hookup. Okay. So you can find that waitlist at opc.me/flashcard waitlist. I’m just gonna say that again, opc.me/flashcard waitlist. And we will put that in the show notes. Because I know it’s a mouthful.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And then the doors are already open for our October retreat. (Brad: What?!) Yep. And if you know, you know, so that’s all we’re gonna say about that. (Brad: YKYK) All right, do we have a question, Brad?

Brad Crowell
We do. And actually, this question was sent to you over the gram.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Yeah, it’s actually like, I think they were to be honest, I think they’re referencing an old YouTube video. So bless them for going back in time. Because I don’t, I actually don’t do Pilates after I weight train anymore due to my schedule. So I had to like, “Oh, let me update you on my life.”

Brad Crowell
Well, why don’t you read the question?

Lesley Logan
Yeah, well probably should do that. My brain … says, okay, this person said, You mentioned do you like to do Pilates after you weight train. I do Pilates before I weight train is one better than the other. And when I told them was, Wow, thank you so much for like looking at this old video back in that life that I had. That’s what I had access to because I actually had Pilates and weight training in the same building. And so I could do it that way and here’s why I liked it that way. After you first of all, like weight training requires a lot of a lot of like stamina and the muscles and strength and then you need to stretch and I actually hate stretching like I actually (Brad: Oh) so this is not a (Brad: really) scientific opinion. This is just my opinion. Yeah, so require stretching and I hate to stretch. (Brad: Oh, I love it.) I know you love it. You also hate weight training. So it’s like a really … So

Brad Crowell
I think that’s what, but you’re naturally flexible too, though.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, but you still have to stretch.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I know. But (Lesley: Yeah.) that’s not my point. My point was that I’m naturally flexible. And I love to stretch. (Lesley: I am naturally …) I am not naturally strong.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I think I’m both. Anyways, so

Brad Crowell
I’m just perfect, you know.

Lesley Logan
I’m just perfect in all, in every way. Um, no. So um, so why I liked Pilates after I weight train is because it actually did the stretching for me, obviously, their strength components and Pilates a strength based workout. But it was really nice. And it really like to me prepped me for the next time I weighed trained in my, in my opinion, the the problem with doing plies, after you weight train is one you have to have the time and the accessibility and b) there’s no breaks in Pilates like there are breaks and weight training. So for the person who does it before they weight train, the reason why that’s an awesome option is because it warms you up for weight training, it gets all your bodies connected, it allows you to be moving from your center right away from your first rep. And you get breaks in your weight training. So if you’re like, oh my God, that was a lot that was like, you know, every other set, like I just walk around and chat with people for a couple minutes and then go at it again. Like it’s, it’s, it’s weird for me to do that. But you can so, is one better. I’ve never done a scientific test on this. I haven’t seen anything from the Huberman podcast just gonna say he does a lot of deep scientific research. So I really just think what do you have accessibility too? And is it is either practice having a negative effect based on the order that you’re doing it. If it is then switch the order or switch the day.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I think I mean, you know, like, the idea is, with Pilates, you’re going to be moving, moving consistently, over 10 15 minutes, right. You’re going to get the blood flowing through your body, and that is going to benefit you when you are weight training. (Lesley: Yeah.) So I love the idea of doing it before, because it gets the blood flowing. Doing it after Pilates, also, not only does it help you strengthen, but it also helps you stretch. So you could use it as a cooldown (Lesley: Yeah.) in addition. So (Lesley: Yeah.) actually, you could do it both.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. (Brad: Yeah.) Yeah, that’s what I so I just think like, it really has to depend on you and also your body and and then ladies, just gonna like remind you of Jenn, Jenn Pike’s podcast, podcast episode and also Dr. Bender’s first podcast episode. Based on our hormones, our workout schedule has to change a bit. So you’re, you may have times of the week where you can do it today like I could where I could do weight training and Pilates. And then there’s days where it’s like, Are you kidding yourself? You should just be doing Pilates. And if you are …

Brad Crowell
Yeah or just do some jumping jacks. (Lesley: Yeah.) Good to go.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And if you are pre menopausal, that is going to be a whole different ball of wax that you get to experience on your own. Yes, love. I heard your request. I’m working on a menopausal guest. So stay tuned. But in addi… any, the too long didn’t read is, do it makes you feel good. That’s always gonna be better.

Brad Crowell
All right. Okay. Now let’s talk about Lindsay Moore.

Lesley Logan
Aren’t you so excited to talk about her.

Brad Crowell
I am. She’s amazing.

Lesley Logan
We love her.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, obviously. She was, actually she was the first teammate, (Lesley: We’ve ever hired.) that we’ve ever hired.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And if you didn’t listen to her episode, then you don’t know how much we loved her. You don’t how we met and that’s a reason why you should listen to it first. But anyways, Brad’s gonna tell you about her.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, she’s just lovely. But on a mission to empower people towards getting the best health care they possibly can. Lindsay is a doula, a patient advocacy consultant, a coach and a speaker. She works with individuals, families and provides and provides, (Lesley: providers) oh, I read that wrong.

She works with individuals, families and providers to foster great communication to transition well, through the different stages in life.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Which, I just want to like point out, we probably have it in our notes. But if you can notice, like she says providers versus doctors, and that we talked about that in the podcast and why like that’s a really …

Brad Crowell
Yeah and we’re not necessarily patients. We are clients.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I love being a client because that means I can take my business to other places.

Brad Crowell
That’s true. And also changes the way you think about it. So

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Well, why don’t I jump it. (Brad: Yeah.) So um, I love that she, we brought up this topic that she said, which is like, why don’t we speak up for ourselves with medical professionals. So her points on this were that because they were this white coat and because they have his medical degree. And because we’re all raised like if you’re not a doctor, like you’re not you don’t know everything and we implicitly trust them. And …

Brad Crowell
And well, it’s actually like a phrase. It’s called white-coat silence.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, white-coat silence.

Brad Crowell
White-coat silence.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, so it just means that we implicitly trust doctors that they said so and this there’s this power dynamic that they know more than me (Brad: Right.) about health. And it’s like, yes, they did go to school more than you did about the body. But you also know your body.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, you know your body.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And then also, what other things that come into place just people pleasing in general, raise your hand unless you’re driving.

Brad Crowell
Well, hold on, let’s talk about that I, you know, your body, I think that’s good. That’s, that’s helpful. You don’t necessarily know the science and the medicine, the medical behind your body. But when the idea here is, you know, your body. So if they’re saying, well, then, you know, if they’re making assumptions, for example of like, you know, this, that this and you’ll be feeling this, that and the other and you’re like, “Am I feeling this that and the other?” You can literally say, “I don’t feel this that the other.” So (Lesley: Yeah.) because you know, your body, right? (Lesley: Yeah.) So obviously, they know that the science behind it, but you can feel it.

Lesley Logan
I had a doctor like remember when I was when my stomach issues. And we had talked to the guy that I ended up working with, and he had said, you know, I want you to get, I want you to make sure you don’t have any parasites. Because if it’s parasitic, like, it doesn’t matter what I do, we have to get rid of that anyways. (Brad: Right.) So I went to the doctor, with my insurance. And you know, we we in LA, we actually had great access to great medical care, we lived in UCLA Medical District, so we had awesome access. And the doctor looked at me, like I was a crazy person. And I was like, trying to tell him how I knew I felt and he was like, you know, all your blood, your blood results look good. Everything’s in range. And I was like, “I don’t feel good.” And so I would like, I would like us just explore, like, like, look another time at this. And it wasn’t until I said, “You know, I’ve lost 25 pounds in the last two years with the stomach stuff.” And that, that got them. So fight for it like, (Brad: Yeah.) give them more things that that will advocate and explain why you don’t feel right, even though everything might say you should be.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I think I think that’s really helpful. You know, because as you get frustrated, maybe you’re actually revealing more information, like in your case, right there. You know, my, my mom had, I grew up with this idea that the doctor knows, but the doctor isn’t necessarily right all the time. And I only knew this because my mom had her finger crushed in a garage door, like, flattened. And she was like, young, she was like in our early teens. She she went in and this doctor came in. And I don’t even know what the full story was. But he said something. And my mom as a teenager was like, “What? That doesn’t seem right.” And I was young. And I was thinking like, “How did you have the wherewithal?” They’ll be like, “No.” And she told him, “You can’t touch me. Leave me alone. You need to send somebody else in here.” And she like, shut this guy down. And I don’t think he needs to do. And she was just like, uh-uh I don’t know what whatever it was that he said. She said, “Uh-uh. I don’t agree with this.” And that was the first time that I ever thought like, like, like, “Wow, I didn’t, I didn’t even realize you could do that. I thought the doctor just knew everything.” So

Lesley Logan
No, you can you can, I mean, you can, you know, this next part, which I want to get into really quick before you go into your stuff, is the people pleasing part because it had been so easy for her. Depending on how she was even raised to just go, okay, he knows, you know, but people pleasing is like, so what the preventive that is like, if you don’t come in prepared with questions to ask to that, then it’s gonna be really easy for you to like, talk to the doctor. And then because you don’t want to be a bother, a pest, like a net, like an annoying and annoying client. You might just like agree with what the doctor says and …

Brad Crowell
Yeah and sure. I mean, you can, I mean, I think that most people will think while the doctors gotta be super busy. I don’t want to bother them.

Lesley Logan
Do you remember the Seinfeld episode where Elaine was like the writing? What do you writing into my note? What do you writing into my chart? And like she became like really obsessed with it. And they’re like she was like trying to steal her chart. And they’re like writing like, I don’t even know I don’t remember if they’re actually writing anything about her. But I think like we we have this fear that they’re gonna write something about us like, like, we were like an annoying patient and like don’t like I worked at a doctor’s office everyone and just so you know, never once ever in any of the charts I ever had to work in. Did anyone write, this person calls too much, don’t answer that. Like … now if you it has happened to you, fuck that doctor move on, but like and report them but but that’s not what people are writing. They’re often just really busy and signs because I asked her and I said what are some signs and symptoms that you’re people pleasing because I think some people don’t even realize that they’re a people pleaser. And so she said because it also can be like very, you know, specific and she this is very much like are you driving home? Wish you’d had asked a question that you didn’t. And I remember we talked about this earlier with the recent visit with the doctor I’ll never go back to and I really was trying to very hard not to leave without having asked a question. And all I remember thinking is in the cars like all the things I wish I just said to her, like you’re not listening to me, which would be the opposite would be a little agonistic. But like, still, please go into your offices, of your providers with questions you want answered, so that you don’t have to remember in the moment, and if you are a recovering people pleaser, you can just like focus on your list. (Brad: Yep.) What did you love that she said?

Brad Crowell
Well, first, I just wanted to say if you’re hearing a bunch of crunching in the background, you’re not crazy. Our dog has found a bone and he’s just out of my reach.

Lesley Logan
Y’all. He hid that in the bed. I swear. We had no toys in this room.

Brad Crowell
No. He went outside. And he barked. And I open the door. And he came running back in with the toy. (Lesley: Yeah.) He went on to the backyard to get this bone. Yeah.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Yeah. This is, this is August, and he has a toy box. And he’s always looking for a specific toy. It’s not just any toy. There are specific toys. He wants a specific time. So

Brad Crowell
It’s true. It is, it is amazing.

Lesley Logan
That was your intermission.

Brad Crowell
It was. Yes. Another thing that I’m laughing about. I just looked up on YouTube, Elaine and the Seinfeld thing? (Lesley: Yeah.) So we’re gonna include a clip on YouTube videos. So you can enjoy that. So if you need a laugh right now, (Lesley: Oh, my God …) feel free to check the show notes. … So yeah, people pleasing. You know, it’s, it’s tough. It’s definitely I think one one thing that would be helpful with with that is to write your questions down before you go in. Because, you know, it’s really easy to freeze in the moment. I’ve done it, you know, like, “Oh, do you have any questions for me? Oh, no, I don’t know. I don’t remember. I don’t even remember anything.” Like, Lesley was like, “Hey, we need to take the dog to the vet, because he’s got this bump.” And I call the vet. And they’re like, “Hey, what’s wrong with them?” I’m like, “I can’t remember. But I know I’m supposed to call you.” So write your questions down. It’ll help you in the moment. One thing that I loved, that Lindsay said, was, she talked about red flags, right, with health care providers, and you just kind of hinted at it when you were referencing your experience. And you can go back and listen to the actual interview to to hear the full extent of, you know, the frustration you had, but if you feel like the doctor is talking over you, or they’re not listening to you, or you’re saying something, and they keep changing the subject or they brush it aside, that’s a that’s a major red flag, right? If you leave the office with anxiety, that is a red flag. Okay. And, you know, I thought it was really interesting, because I think that …

Lesley Logan
Oh, I left that office visit full of anxiety. Like I have just like, I was like … (Brad: Not just anxiety, but anger.) Anger and I was like, even, like, sad about it, because I just wanted to have a fucking doctor here.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, yeah. Here here meaning in Vegas. (Lesley: Yeah.) Totally. Yeah. And I think I think that

Lesley Logan
I need to go back to my California doctor. And like, literally go, I need a blood panel. (Brad: Right.) What can you do? (Brad: Yeah.) That is allowed in the world that I live in a different state than you and she’s like, “Here’s what we can do. And I’ll do that for you.” I was like, “Let’s just do that. Because that makes that answers my questions that I had.”

Brad Crowell
Yeah. And it’s frustrating, you know, but but I, I think that the other thing is, so first off, these things that we’ve been talking about are about, like, after the fact, after you’ve already met this doctor, right? And so that’s important to know you can reevaluate just because you booked with a doctor and they gave you like a set of things to do doesn’t mean you actually have to go like do them especially if you don’t agree with that person. Right? Or they make you feel weird or you’re stressed after you leave. You can absolutely find a different provider. And you can, you could say to them this I want to another provider maybe you don’t like jade their opinion right away but at the end of the conversation after they’ve made their assessment you can say, this is what the other doctor said. But …

Lesley Logan
… get second opinions and different prices on curtains and (Brad: Yeah.) blinds and carpet and handyman …

Brad Crowell
construction like building a patio. I mean painters.

Lesley Logan
How many people that we have come to the house about the air conditioner, six?

Brad Crowell
No. Three different companies. (Lesley: Three different companies.) Yeah. (Lesley: So you can shop …) I had two electricians come by. Two electricians. (Lesley: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.) Because they because they were like, “Hey, we’ll come to an evaluation. We want to see it.” I was like, “Great.” So I just started have an electricians stop by. (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah.

Lesley Logan
So you know, treat treat your body like you treat your house.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Or your car. But, or don’t maybe because if you don’t take care of your car, then don’t do it like that. But here are some things you can look for in a health care provider before you meet them. So there are now like dating profiles, right. So

Lesley Logan
Oh, my God. … ad we just saw the other night. … you like maybe it was just me. I think I was binging on my own show. Anyways, there are ads, and it is like swiping like a tinder thing. (Brad: Oh, that’s hilarious.) Oh, she’s available tomorrow.

Brad Crowell
… I was there for that one. (Lesley: I was like …) Booked and actually, I think that we were just gonna mention your dad, your dad’s experience with ZocDoc.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, that was actually the ad we saw. And my dad 70, y’all. And he is like, oh, yeah, just he’s on ZocDoc. He loves his eye doctor. He’s mentioned to me 70’s here we can tell. But he has mentioned seven times how much he loves her.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. And then and then the other one is, when you do meet them? Again, this is kind of this is now you’ve met them? So, do you feel like you have, do you feel like you were able to build a relationship with the doctor? You know, did they treat you like, gotta check my my watch? Because I got to the patient in four minutes, three minutes, you know, were they, you know, like, were they basically buried in their notes the whole time? Or they actually engaging with you?

Lesley Logan
You know, I kind of bring (Brad: You know) up like, because we I talked about this in the episode that I keep bringing in medical people because it really your health can actually be the biggest obstacle to you being it till you see it. If your hormones are off, your mental health is off, your body’s off. But if you’re like, “I don’t know, guys, I this is fine.” I just want to say this goes to your vets too. Like maybe you’re like, “I love all my doctors.” (Brad: Totally does.) We were trying to find a vet here. And we’ve shopped several times, we’ve done several things. And with Bayon, he has an interesting issue and the doctors here were unwilling (Brad: Yeah.) to figure out how to perform surgery on him. Because we said the last time he had surgery, he had a seizure. And our vet that he had was with was able to immediately stop the anesthesia. He stopped seizing and she just quickly did the removals while he was still like lightly sedated. But we …

Brad Crowell
… prickly surgery. He’s okay.

Lesley Logan
He’s fine. So but we had to do another surgery on him. And while the vets here are fine, and they’re absolutely properly trained, whenever we mentioned this allergy or this this event, they literally shut down, can’t do anything.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, they just go, “Yeah, we were probably not the provider to help you with that.” And it’s like, “What? Okay. It’s crazy.”

Lesley Logan
So this goes to like, it’s like, learning how to advocate for yourself. Maybe if it’s easier for learning while advocating for your pet, or your house or your car. Try that. But but but you there’s just different signs and things that you can look out for. And our vet in California, which yes we drove four an hour’s take him to the vet. Six actually because I had traffic. But she did research to make sure she can perform a surgery without him having this thing and like, there,

Brad Crowell
There are people out there who can at the end of the night for before the vets before the surgery started. We were just there last week. So before the surgery started, she came out into the lobby, she met with us and she said, Hey, I was thinking about this last night. And I was like, What? You you spent the time to think about tomorrow’s surgery before you came in and did I mean, you know, she’s probably done this stuff 1000 times, you know, but she specifically read our dog’s chart and remembered all the things and then thought about it again. And when she said that to me, I was like, you’re amazing.

Lesley Logan
And when she has her own building, we will give her a shout out she can’t la people cannot take any more patients right now. So we will give you all of her information when she’s rebuilding, and we will happily send all the dogs to her because she’s amazing.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Well, anyway, so So we’re talking about when you’re meeting your provider? Do you feel like they treated you like a human? Did they take the time to get to know you? And then finally, when you leave the office? What were you confident in the next steps? Was it clear? Was it easy to understand? Right, these are things to look for in a health care provider. So first is check out their dating profile second is there you know, when you meet them, do you feel like they got to know you and and third? You know, did you leave the office understanding the straightforward next steps. So yeah.

Alright, so finally, let’s talk about those be it action items, what bold, executable intrinsic or targeted action items. Can we take away from your convo with Lindsay Moore? Well, so specifically, when it comes to being your own healthcare advocate, she said, You really need to adopt a client mindset, right? So not a patient mindset, but a client mindset. So you are the client. They are providing a service to you, and how can you collaborate with them to have the best possible experience? So I thought that was just so interesting, because we were talking about it already with all the other providers you would ever bring into your home. But let’s just talk about an exterminator. Right? If an exterminator has come into your property and you’ve dogs in the backyard, clearly you’re going to they’re going to say hey, would you be so Okay as to take the dogs in the house and lock the door. Yeah, of course, no problem, I’m going to collaborate with my exterminator so that he can do the job or she can do the job properly. Like when we and that just seems normal, that doesn’t even, there’s nothing weird about that, that’s an obvious thing to do. But somehow that gets lost when we are talking with a doctor, you know, in the same way, you are in a position, you are a client, you have 100%, you have options to go to another provider. Right? And you they need to you you can collaborate with them about your health. So I thought it was really interesting to adopt a client mindset.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And like, if you’re like, I don’t know about that, you know, like, maybe Brad’s example is like I live in apartment, I don’t know, think about the places you do shop and the ones you don’t, and why you don’t shop at those places. Because you have specific reasons, a specific reason that you don’t eat at a certain place. That’s been a client that’s been a customer, it’s been a consumer. So take that as like your roadmap.

Brad Crowell
Yep, totally. What about you?

Lesley Logan
Okay, so here are the list of questions you need to write down. And if you’re driving, then you need to, you know, become amazing at memorizing Here we go. One of the best ways you can advocate yourself is to listen to the postgame. This is when you’re driving home in your car. How are you feeling? Do you feel anxious? Do you feel angry? Do ask? Did you ask all the questions? So like even do you feel things in your body? Like do you feel better walking out than you? Did? Like walked in? Do you feel the same? I feel the same I’m gonna go that’s positive. But if you feel worse, that’s and it wasn’t like Bad News Bears in there you probably. But with diagnosis, like there are something to like pay attention to. And and then to that, she said, ask yourself, What’s going on your body? What needs to change moving forward? Are you comfortable seeing that doctor? Again? This is a big question. Are you comfortable seeing that doctor again? You don’t have to have a reason. So this episode hasn’t come out yet. But I want you and Dr. Bender, second episode on our show comes out. I want you to be really careful when you think about trying to reason with things. She has a whole segment on humans, we want to have a reason why something feels a certain way, which actually just causes more stress. So if you if I asked you, if anyone asked you are you comfortable seeing that person again? And you don’t have an immediate? Yeah. And there’s like a hesitancy in there. Then something in your subconscious is wondering what like wondering something and it is worth evaluating. And it might not even be the doctor. It could be the assistance. It could be the assistance that they have. It could be the front desk person it could be like column. So that’s just to me like after. To me, that final question is one of the most important that you could ask yourself. And I really hope that this whole entire episode has you thinking about your health in a different way thinking about your providers that are on your team. This is your team, you guys, do you see like people who are out there like, what what you were like would aspire to these actors do not they want to be an actor, but like these people who are celebrities of some kind, when you see them and you see the life that they’re living, they have a team, right? You have a team, maybe you don’t have like executive assistant, maybe you don’t have you know, a an accountant or, or like a social media person, but your doctors are on your team, your dogs that are on your team, your vets are on your team, if your team is not allowing you to show up and be the best version of yourself and be it till you see it, then you think of like a football team. If your quarterback is slacking, you’re not gonna win this game. The other team has to suck worse than your quarterback for you to win. So, so it’s so so important that you evaluate who’s on your team, and make sure that they’re all part of what your goals are. And for that, anything to add, Brad?

Brad Crowell
No, I mean, you know, the I think that the biggest thing I just keep thinking about your recent visit. The drive home was when you were very frustrated. And that was an that was very easy. Like, Okay, moving on, you know, and for me, it’s funny because we were supposed to see the same doctor, and she had some, you know, patient prior to us that like took way more time than she expected. And so we ended up seeing her partner, and it was you did you ended up seeing her partner. It was a guy and he was super cool, super chill. I was like wow, this guy’s really, like I felt I left feeling like, we’re on the right path. And then you ended up seeing her and you were like, I can’t go back to see this person

Lesley Logan
And just for… just for because I don’t want to hear it. I literally went seeking a woman. So it’s not me not not liking a woman over a man, I specifically want a female doctor, I’m still going to look for one.

Brad Crowell
I don’t think anyone was assuming that’s fine to clarify that.

Lesley Logan
I just want to make sure because, you know, I just like I really am looking for that. And I’m going to keep looking. But in the meantime, I advocate for myself with my old provider, I’m getting, I’m getting the needs that I need it done. So I can move forward. But, you know, I just I really do hope that these experts in all these areas are helping you see that, like, it’s not just about having goals and a vision board, y’all. Like your body is the thing that goes with you everywhere. Hope you’re well I guess he’s, what do you call this stuff? Virtual reality. (Brad: VR, okay, it’s what the kids are doing.) What the kids are doing no but adults are doing it too. So that is the only time you’re living in reality that is not with your body, but I really do. I’m like resistant to change on that. But I just really want you to think of your health as part of being it till you see it. And until next time, haha just kidding.

I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending us a DM over on pod, tag us on be it pod on instagram and we are gonna catch you on the next episode.

Brad Crowell
Love it. Bye for now.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘Bloom Podcast Network’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.

Lesley Logan
Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Mesh Herico for creating all of our visuals, (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week, so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each episode, so you can find it on our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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