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In this episode you will learn about:

• Is a Mat Certification worth it?
• Keep going to reach the destination
• Don’t let the treacherous drive take you away from the destination the footsteps add up to the journey
• We are here to be creative
• The various easy to be creative
• Taking ownership and overcoming obstacles

Episode References/Links:

• Lesley’s eBook Everything But The Exercises: https://profitablepilates.com/ebook-everything-but-the-exercises/

Transcript

Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the intriguing convo I have with Maggie Daniels in our last episode. If you haven’t yet, listen to that interview. Feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us on this one. And I promise I’ll stop hitting the table and my microphone and I’m just going to professional as 121 episodes I will…

Brad Crowell
Sorry for anyone watching on YouTube.

Lesley Logan
Oh my God. You guys, just so you know. 121 episodes in and I’m still hitting this damn table. (Brad laughs) I think it’s a table. (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Definitely the table’s fault. Yeah, yeah. You know. (Lesley: Well, here …) If the table was chiseled. Maybe it wouldn’t be.

Lesley Logan
That’s a different kind of chisel. That’s what an s and not a z. Learn something new every day. Anyways, y’all it is the end of July. If you’re listening to this in real time. (Brad: Yeah.) And my goodness, this summer is flying by but …

Brad Crowell
How crazy? I don’t even understand. It is …

Lesley Logan
But June was the longest and the shortest month of my life. I feel like, it was we went to five different states in that 30 days. We were home … (Brad: five holy cow) Yeah, count them. And then we and then we went to you know, and then we’re home for only like 13 days, we had family in town for my Dad’s 70th birthday. We had friends in town to go see Sting, then we had a film, it was chaos. And I’ll get to a little bit of this trip down when I talk about my talking points. But now that we’re in the end of July, you’re like, “Lesley, it’s July.” I know where the end of July but June was that big. I think a whole month to recover. But we are going to accept applications in just a few days for my mentorship.

Brad Crowell
I know.

Lesley Logan
I can’t believe we’re doing it again. (Brad: I also…) I’m so excited.

Brad Crowell
I love that there’s an application processes this time through the … (Lesley: Brad like the processes system.) Well, there’s a there’s a lot of interest and it’s hard to choose.

Lesley Logan
That’s true. I think at this point, there’s almost 200 people on the waiting list. So don’t let that stop you, if you have not put yourself on the waitlist and you’re like, (Brad: Do not let that stop you.) “Oh my goodness, she’ll, I’ll never get picked.” Well you won’t get picked if you don’t apply.

Brad Crowell
That’s very true.

Lesley Logan
That’s literally how it goes.

Brad Crowell
Yeah.

Lesley Logan
So put your put your hat in the ring. So first like to get on the waitlist at lesleylogan.co

Brad Crowell
Do they even know what this is, (Lesley: Oh) what it’s for? (Lesley: What if you tell them?) Yeah, Let’s (Lesley: That’s great.) probably tell them.

Lesley Logan
So this is a Pilates exercise mentorship. This is not our business mentorship. (Brad: Correct) Brad is actually not involved in eLevate at all. (Brad: No. Nope.) He couldn’t teach you anything. He couldn’t stand in for me. This is you get me for nine months. (Brad: Yes.) And um, so anyway, so many teachers have been asking me to teach them, the way that I teach. And, you know, we do little workshops here and there. And then I was traveling. And now I’m not doing the traveling thing that much to teach people how to teach Pilates. So I thought it’s a much better and more fun to do a little mentorship. Because then I get to have you for nine months. And I get to take you from the mat to the accessories, all the equipment in between. And you get to be part of a family like truly they call themselves a family – The Elevators. They are not …

Brad Crowell
Is that what they call themselves?

Lesley Logan
They call themselves – Elevators.

Brad Crowell
That’s pretty adorable.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I know. So eLevate, it, I chose that because I truly at the end of the nine months want you to feel elevated in your practice, in your teaching and your connection to the method. Doesn’t matter who trained you before. And also doesn’t matter if you own any equipment, you just have to have access to a Mat, a Reformer, a Wunda Chair and a Cadillac. And the other stuff we will go over if you don’t have access to it, that’s a bummer. But some people will rent from other people. Some people will rent space in the studio. (Brad: Sure) Some people have gone to other elevators homes, because they live close enough to make it (Brad: That’s true.) worth it. So so I really wanted to make it as accessible as possible.

Brad Crowell
Who is it for?

Lesley Logan
If you are a teacher already, and you’ve gone through a comprehensive training program. (Brad: Okay.) So that doesn’t mean …

Brad Crowell
That’s the only requirement?

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Well, I mean, you have to apply.

Brad Crowell
Well, yeah, you have to apply. The idea here is is this is for those who have begun teaching.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. If you’ve already been teaching, I don’t have any rules on how many years you’ve been teaching. I know a lot of mentorship programs have that I don’t have that a lot of mentorship programs have rules on how many times you’ve taken from me. I don’t have that. You, if, as long as you like this voice, (Brad laughs) this space and my opinions, you are welcome to apply. But I do …

Brad Crowell
I think we can validate you a little bit more. (Lesley laughs) For those of you who do not know, Lesley was, she studied with a guy who actually studied with with Joseph Pilates, right. So she’s like, quote, unquote, “second generation teacher,” meaning she studied with Joseph Pilates direct student. And she’s been studying with him for a very long time. And, you know, the things that he passes on, are what he remembers from working with Joe. (Lesley: Yeah) And so Lesley has a unique perspective. And I think also one of the major things that having written all the marketing copy for such a program, you know that I can’t teach to the program, the biggest thing, the biggest takeaway from my side of things is, you will learn how to connect all of the pieces of equipment.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, and that’s something so I was a teacher trainer for six years for another company. And and I have also been teaching teachers from all over the world from tons of training brack… backgrounds. And the consistent thing I see, no matter which camp you are trained by, is that people see each piece of equipment as a separate thing. (Brad: Right) They see each exercise as a separate thing. And what I learned with Jay and all the people who worked with Jay, Sandy, and Karen and Ken, and Deena, all of them is there’s one exercise. So my goal is to help you see how you can weave this in. And it’s never like, “Oh, my client can’t do this, this or this,” or “I can’t do this, this or this.” It’s like what is possible and actually being able to be free of programming, you will have to while you’re going through the program, learn but you’ll also learn how to ditch that and just let your eyes and your teaching gut tell you what this person needs next. And so it really does give you freedom and permission (Brad: Yeah) to be curious, and to have a collaboration in your teaching. And it’s, it’s it’s so much fun.

Brad Crowell
It’s, I mean, I again, as an outsider, I get to hop on these calls briefly poke my head and and wave and it is just enthusiasm and excitement, (Lesley: Yeah) every call. And you know, we’ve got people from all over the world. And they you know, I mean, I was on a call with one of them. And she said, I found my best friend that I didn’t know, I didn’t have, (Lesley: Yeah, yeah.) you know, inside of of eLevate. (Lesley: Yeah) So cool.

Lesley Logan
It’s so cool. So anyways, lesleylogan.co, so c o /elevate is where you go to put yourself on the waitlist, and then you’ll be offered the opportunity to apply. (Brad: Yes) We’re taking applications for 10 days. So even if you hear this on August 3, you can still do it. Alright. It’s not a long …

Brad Crowell
Or if you’re listening to this afterwards. And this sounds like something that will be up your alley, we are going to run it again. So you know, just get yourself on the waitlist, (Lesley: Yeah) and you’ll be the first to know, we aren’t really pushing this publicly. It’s really going to be going out only to those on the waitlist.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, cuz we’re only going to take 12 people (Brad: Yeah) this round. And what is the next round? People gonna ask. I don’t know. Probably probably, what is next year 2023? (Brad: Yeah) I don’t know. It could be 2024. So like, (Brad: Right) don’t wait, and (Brad: Don’t wait. Yeah.) until next time. And you know, like put your application in. The worst case is I say, “Hey, you’re on the waitlist for the next round.” Like, I might just do that. I may just put people on the. “Okay. You’re on the next round.” (Brad: Sure.) I don’t know. (Brad: Yeah) We’ll find out. But anyways, I’m really excited about it. It’s one of the my favorite things that I get to do in this business is spend time with these people. And really watch their confidence grow. (Brad: Yeah) And their and I, they don’t know, but I’m like watching their bodies change each and every assessment from the person teaching them and I’m like, “Woah, they couldn’t do that last time!” It’s so fun. So anyways, that’s, that’s what I’m excited about. That’s what’s happening. What is our question this week?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, actually, it’s the exact opposite. (Lesley laughs) So we had a question from from someone through Instagram on the @be_it_pod, asking, “Is it a waste of time to get only a Mat certification?”

Lesley Logan
I love this question. So first of all, to the person who asked it, thank you so much for asking me. Because you’re gonna get the most honest answer, I think. I don’t know, I’m really biased. But here’s the deal. This is, here’s the deal …

Brad Crowell
You will definitely get an honest answer, that’s for sure.

Lesley Logan
I’m gonna be honest. And it’s gonna and I’m really proud of it. So here’s the deal, if you actually get my book Profitable Pilates: Everything But The Exercises, the e-books on our site. I don’t know, they may even let you buy a signed copy on the site, but you can get on Amazon. If you buy that I go through like how to pick a program. And I actually don’t mind people only getting a Mat certified in the beginning. Here’s what I’m going to tell you because it happened to me. You’re gonna want the full training. So …

Brad Crowell
Well, let’s just start off briefly with why like, okay…

Lesley Logan
Why wouldn’t you?

Brad Crowell
No, the so okay, the book is really, really, really helpful for people who are trying to choose a program. In the book, she covers this whole conversation of getting the Mat, getting these other things, how to choose a program, because there there are many different programs out there and some of them may be perfect for you and others maybe not. (Lesley: Yeah) And the questions that Lesley goes through in the book will help you discern which program you may want to go (Lesley: Yeah) get a certification from. So (Lesley: And also …) you can find that a profitable pilates.com/ebook. (Lesley: Yeah) Okay. But …

Lesley Logan
You can also, you can also get a beautiful paperback copy.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, just to yes, you can. And I’m not even worried about that. Because the question actually is, is it a waste of time to get only a Mat certification? (Lesley: So it’s not.) It’s not always the time.

Lesley Logan
No, but here’s what I’m going to tell you. You’re gonna want, you’re gonna eventually want to get a full training. And so what I would recommend, you’ll see this in the book in more detail is that you want to find a training program that that offers a Mat only. And then a comprehensive, because what I don’t want is you to get Mat trained by someone and then you’re like, “Gosh, I want to get comprehensive.” And they’re like, “Too bad. I don’t offer that here. Or we only offer then… like the reformer only.”

Brad Crowell
Or the comprehensive that you do want to go take won’t take you because you didn’t do Mat with them. (Lesley: Yeah. So …) There’s like so many possibilities. So there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of thinking to do before you make that decision.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So please make sure if you’re going to just start off with a Mat only that you go through a program that does have a comprehensive later. (Brad: Yeah) So that you are setting yourself up for the next step, whenever that is for you.

Brad Crowell
And also too, if you’re like not sure if teaching is your jam, getting Mat certified is a great way to figure that out. Because it’s less of a commitment, you’re not doing a 600 hour comprehensive thing that is going to take you you know, a year, you can probably get certified in a matter of months. (Lesley: Yup) And then you can actually take some clients and then decide like … (Lesley: Yeah) because if you don’t, maybe you don’t need all the rest of that stuff.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And then well, I would I will tell you also, just because I think it’s, again, honesty is my policy. When it becomes when you’re only Mat trained, then obviously all you can do is teach on the Mat, and very few studios will hire you (Brad: Right) except for for group fitness. And then you are going to be looking at a Swiss cheese schedule, (Brad: Yes) meaning there’s, there’s not a gym out there that’s putting like three back to back Mat classes, they’re gonna put one and that’s going to be in between some sort of hitt and some sort of spin class. And so as long as that works for you, like you only actually want to teach one hour a day on the weekend, great, that’s amazing. Maybe you want your YMCA membership for free, that’s going to be up your alley, it’s gonna be perfect for you. But if you are really wanting to make this another income stream, eventually I’m gonna say you’re going to need to get comprehensively certified so that you can actually teach on the other side of that class. So yeah, it’s not a waste of time.

Brad Crowell
Not a waste of time.

Lesley Logan
I love that question. Thank you for asking.

Brad Crowell
Okay, now let’s talk about Maggie Daniels. (Lesley: Maggie Daniels) Maggie is a poet, a writer and a director. And she uses poetry for micro moments of emotion, to process what she’s feeling. Her screenplays are a deep dive into her psyche as she tells the story of raw human emotion. She battles dyslexia. She learned the power of the word ‘no’, and has written a book that is now available through Barnes and Noble. (Lesley: I know how freaking cool.) Pretty darn cool. And she also shares a little bit of her story about what she writes about and why she writes and growing up. So it was a really interesting conversation. And also, what I loved about it was her frankness, like, you know, and like she just has no fucks to give. (Lesley: No) I loved it. I thought (Lesley: Yeah) it was really great.

Lesley Logan
She was she was so awesome. I don’t I was like a sweet can sound condescending, but like she’s sweet. She was just, like, even in her …

Brad Crowell
Yes … for real like (Lesley: real) you know.

Lesley Logan
She’s real sweet.

Brad Crowell
She’s real sweet. (Brad and Lesley laughs)

Lesley Logan
Anyways, well, I I loved that she said, keep going and you’ll get to your destination and I I love this with a love hate relationship because it is so freakin true. And so so for example, we went camping at the beginning of this month, and it’s a thre… when we looked it up five months before and we’re like, “Yeah, we’ll go camping with with our friends.” We’re like, “Yes,” three hours away. Done deal. Like … (Brad: Yeah. No problem.) After after driving 15 hours to Colorado. (Brad: Yeah.) Three hours … (Brad: It was three hours.) It’s a breeze. Anyways, for us, it took us four and a half hours to get there. We (Brad: Yeah) hit this traffic jam. It went down to one lane. And it was four and a half hours. And we were, we were fresh. We almost pulled off. And …

Brad Crowell
Yeah. I was like, (Lesley: find a gas stattion) Yeah, no, I mean, I was gonna just sleep on the side of the freeway like people were going five miles an hour for an hour and a half. (Lesley: Yeah, it was exhausting.) I was like, yeah, I was … Suddenly I was tired and I was like, how … I shouldn’t be tired right now, but I’m just like, mind numbing, you know?

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So he, like you pulled off to get some gas and you’re like, “I think we’re just gonna sleep here.” And I was like, “That’s fine.” And then you got a second wind and we left and we got there. And (Brad: Yeah) we got there in four and a half hours. Our friends left at 2pm, it took them eight hours to get there. And but here’s the deal, it took them 8, it takes took us four and a half, it didn’t take anyone three. But once we were there, we were at we like we didn’t let that exhausting, treacherous drive. Take us away from being at the destination. (Brad: Yeah) We fully like we slept in, we like, pulled out early drinks and like had a good time at Panguitch like and it was amazing. And …

Brad Crowell
We were in Utah and Panguitch Lake.

Lesley Logan
And it would have been so easy to turn around for them. They had babies in the back for us, (Brad: Yeah) it had been so easy to, even let that just ruin the trip. Just like let that be the thing that the first whole day is about. (Brad: Yeah) And whatever it is that you’re wanting to do, maybe you want to go like our question asker wants to go through a training, maybe you’re finishing a training, maybe you are thinking about going to school, or maybe you’re wanting to write a book, whatever. Just you have to keep putting one foot in front of the other, because they all add up. And they all get you there if you just keep going. But if you turn around, if you if you go, “You know what? Like, this is I’m quitting.” Like, you’re just not, you’re not gonna get there. Like you’re not going to be like rock in to the place.

Brad Crowell
Well, we talked about at the beginning. Like, if you don’t apply, you definitely won’t be involved in Lesley’s program.

Lesley Logan
Right. Same, same. Well, and not exactly. And also, like, there’s a difference, I just also want to say it’s okay to do a pause or a detour. Those are different than quitting (Brad: Sure) or not even starting. Okay. So like Clare, you know, our slingshot friend has done some recaps with us. She’s put some books down, and then pick them back up. Kellee Forkenbrock, who was also on the pod, she put a book down for three years, and she’s picking it back up. Those things are very different than like, “I’m done. This isn’t working. I’m quitting.” If you really do believe in the thing, keep going, even if it’s just like one mile an hour.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Well, we’re going to talk a little bit about more about that later. (Lesley: Okay …) But …

Lesley Logan
We’ll get there. (Lesley laughs) What did you love?

Brad Crowell
We’re gonna put, we’re gonna put one mile in front of the other here. I loved, she said something very early on in the interview that really struck me. She said, I think you asked her, like, “Why do you write or how did how did you get started writing?” And she said, “I feel like we are here (meaning on this earth) to be creative, not to work and pay bills and die.” And I was like, “Oh, that’s a perspective right there.” I love that, you know, because if, you know, like, I think it’s funny, we can get lost in that, we just get lost in the routine and the monotony. And we spice it up by like, choosing a different TV show. You know, and like, that’s it. And like, you know, we just like bang out a shitty day and then come home and drink a beer and enjoy a show. And that’s like, nice, but if that’s like, is that it, is that the extent of life. And I love this perspective of like, I feel like we are here to be creative, not to just work, pay bills and die.

Lesley Logan
Well, I also like, I just think back to some of the family members that I had in my life. And like my grandfather, for example, when you met him, he’s like, “I’m just waiting to die.” Like, (Brad: Yes) that’s what are you doing, just waiting to die. And what frustrates me so much about that is he was a super talented, like, an architect’s the wrong word, because he didn’t go to school for that. But whatever you call, drafting. Right.

Brad Crowell
Mechanical drawing. (Lesley: Yeah) And yeah.

Lesley Logan
He was brilliant, and so smart, and so untapped. And it’s not because he like was just like I’m just gonna… He didn’t, he wasn’t given the opportunity or encouraged to my knowledge, nor did he give himself that permission to be creative. No, my grandmother was very creative in that household. So creativity was around, but he didn’t give himself that permission as an adult. And I think that’s what why wouldn’t you want to die, I don’t know, but like, there’s nothing exciting to live for. And I don’t know, this is very dark, but I just …

Brad Crowell
Well, I was actually not taking it quite that, that down that road. For me, we’ve I was thinking more about The Artist’s Way. (Lesley: Oh, yeah.) And Lesley and I just finished a course it was a three month course, led by a incredible woman here in Las Vegas named Sharon Gainsbourg. She’s a sculptor and she works with stone. And she’s 80, 79, 80? (Lesley: No, she’s in her 80s.) She’s in her 80s. She’s she’s seen a lot of life, and she she has no fucks to give either. (Lesley: She’s also, still making art.) Still. Oh yeah. She owns a studio and she teaches classes and she teaches this book The Artist’s Way and It’s she’s willing to challenge, you know, people. And I know, I noticed you’re wearing a great shirt that says women against bullshit. (Lesley: Yes) And she’s willing to challenge your bullshit. (Lesley: Yes) Because when you, you know, when you go through this course, it’s a 12 week course, about jump starting your creativity of which all of us have (Lesley: Yeah) creativity in us, it’s just that we’ve probably, like suppressed it somehow, whether that’s from, you know, childhood, or maybe we had a tragic, you know, like letdown after some, you know, event in our life, and we just kind of stopped whatever it might be. That was our creative outlet. And this book is a process of working through your self, through your mind, through those mental blocks to allow that creativity to flow. And when, when Maggie said, “I feel like we’re all here to be creative, not to just work, pay bills and die.” I thought, how how, like, that’s so connected to this book that we just did. (Lesley: Yeah) And it but I think it’s such a unique perspective.

Lesley Logan
Well, and also like, give yourself permission to be creative. (Brad: Yeah) Like, like, I really hope that that’s what if what she said does for you, because otherwise, it’s just such a boring life the other way around? I don’t know. Anyways, I’ve loved it. I love her. I love that whole thing. And I hope we’re all, I hope we’re all more creative.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. I thought you keep going. Oh, we’re all more creative. Me too. (Lesley laughs) Well, well, I think but you know, what is creativity? Right. And I think, having come from music, and the, the story that I was telling myself is that I’m an artist, I’m creative. So I have to do it with music. Right? The the idea that the only way to be creative is with, you know, writing a book or writing a song or painting or painting, whatever. That’s not, that’s not it either. Like, like, you could be creative with spreadsheets. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, that’s like, it sounds counterintuitive. But you can, you can be creative with cooking. You could be creative with decorating, you could be creative with … (Lesley: in landscaping) Yeah, landscaping, you could be creative with dog training. I mean, there’s so many different ways that you can be creative. And so …

Lesley Logan
You can be creative with how you clean your house. You could be (Brad: Yeah) you could like turn on the music, and maybe you dance while you’re cleaning it up. Like I think we limit ourselves to it must have, creativity must be sold at the blink art store, or whatever art store.

Brad Crowell
Right. Yeah, or it’s Michaels. Right.

Lesley Logan
Michael. Whatever Joann’s Fabrics near you, whatever. And the truth is, first of all, I went into those stores and they are not built the way they used to be. And it’s not fun. It’s very commercialized, and I’m really sad about it. So but you can be creative in what you’re creative about. (Brad: Yeah, yeah.) Is that too meta? Is that weird? (Brad: I think, I think.) (Lesley laughs) Did I use the word and then just …

Brad Crowell
You did it fine creativity (Lesley: with creativity) with the word. Yeah, that’s okay. We still love you.

Lesley Logan
That’s true. Everyone still does. Well, anyways, I want to know how you’re gonna be creative with anything that you have to do, because I think it I actually think we need those juices flowing. They’re kind of hard to stop.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, yeah. And it feels good too. All right. So let’s finally talk about those BE IT action items that you went through with Maggie Daniels. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your conversation? I’m gonna jump at first. And I loved that. She said at the end microdose your tasks. Again, we kind of covered this at the beginning about like, continuing to move forward. But she looked at it and said, when something seems very intimidating to you, or overwhelming or you’re tired, or any of those things, especially when, for her, she was talking about writing. And obviously, at the time writing wasn’t her gig. It wasn’t what she was doing all the time. She was focused on these other things. So how did she actually write a book? How does she write a screenplay, which took her 10 years to write the screenplay? Right? She said she microdoses her tasks, right? And she encouraged all of us to do the same. So it’s, it’s effectively working backwards from seeing that bigger picture, and then breaking it down into tangible action items that you can actually accomplish on a day to day basis. And even if it’s only getting one or two things down towards the thing, you know, towards the goal. It’s, I just love those she said microdosing because it made me think of like, psilocybin mushrooms and all the, I was like, “What a way to use that word? I I’ve never heard anybody talk about micro dosing your tasks.”

Lesley Logan
Yeah, but it made me think of like Jillian Flodstrom said about, like everything should break down every single thing to at last like it gets you can get it done in two minutes. So every anything that’s on your to-do list if it if it’s gonna take more than two minutes you need to break it down smaller because we all have two minutes. (Brad: Yeah) And so then when like someone’s late to a Zoom call you have like something you can do in two minutes (Brad: Sure) while you’re waiting. (Brad: Yeah) And so it allows you to actually move the needle forward, and keep going. You’ll get to the destination, right, if it’s more of a smaller dose to task. (Brad: Yeah) Anyways, I’m going to just start using that word. I’m micro dosing today. (Brad: I love it.) People are gonna go, “What is she doing?” (Brad laughs)

Brad Crowell
Well, what about you?

Lesley Logan
Well, I she also she talked about find your people for the day, she need a little extra push. And you and I love this so much. We have those people, I have them. First of all on if you are using an iPhone, sorry Android users, I have no idea how you do this. But on an iPhone, you can put like your top is like six people like you can have like a (Brad: I think you put 9.) 9, yeah on your … (Brad: on a text.) you have been texting. So over on your, I should tell you where this is like all going. (Brad: Yeah) On your text, you can like have these little like favorites, but you are always texting. And so I don’t actually text those people every day or even every week. But the people that are my top six, I don’t know, I can have nine, I’m gonna add a couple more. (Brad: Sure) They are the people that I want to be able to go to when I need an extra push. (Brad: Yeah) I hope I’m on their top nine, or six or whatever it is. But I feel like it’s my space.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I was just thinking and this is like top 5.

Lesley Logan
And it’s not like that they’re like, it’s just that I know, if I text them, “Oh my gosh, today, I’ve got this going on.” I know, I don’t have to explain myself, if I don’t have time for it. I know that I’m not going to get a phone call. They’re just going to send me, “Hey thinking of you. You got this,” whatever. And they do and (Brad: Yeah) they do even when I’m not even asking for it. And so what I would just say is like, if you don’t have these people yet, first of all, just see if anyone in your contact is someone you’d want one of those people to be because some of those people that are my top now, they were people that I would be like, “Oh, can I can I text them? I don’t know if I can text them?” You know what I did? I just texted them. And then they text back. And it’s like dating, and then you make them a thing. So if you don’t have them, go through your contacts and just see like, who have these people what I want. And if you don’t have that, then ask yourself like a… Like where were you when you met someone who just like hit it off? You kicked it off, like, kick off a conversation, invite them to coffee. Yes, it’s gonna be awkward. It’s gonna be weird. It’s hard to make friends when they’re not in school anymore. But when you have those people and you tell them who they are, (Brad: Yeah) you have to tell them who they are. Then you you have them and you can just text them and then it can be a two way street. And I just really really love it. I think it’s Jim Rohn, who’s like really big on like the average of people you’re around. And you you really are those people. So find people for the looks to push but find those people that you just want to surround yourself with. So you can continue aspire and grow yourself. Because writing a screenplay for 10 years doesn’t happen in a silo, you have to, she had people to encourage her and push her down onto the destination.

Brad Crowell
Well, I love it.

Lesley Logan
You do? You have anything else?

Brad Crowell
No, I was just looking up the Jim Rohn quote.

Lesley Logan
Oh, yeah. I always would attribute it to Tim Ferriss. Sorry, Jim, if you’re listening to this, but I just heard it on another podcast. And actually, it’s Jim Rohn who started it.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, R o h n. (Lesley: Yeah ,yeah.) I was just looking it up, because I didn’t recognize it as him either.

Lesley Logan
Yep. Apparently, he’s a really big deal.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I don’t know. He’s for sure it.

Lesley Logan
He’s, he’s really huge. Someday, we’ll have him on here and be like, “Hey, Jim …” (Brad: Sorry.) Sorry. (Brad laughs) Sorry. But I’m so glad I know you now. Anyways, everyone. I just, I really hope that what Maggie said really helps you find your creativity. Be like own that part. And (Brad: Yeah) and we didn’t even talk about it. But like, don’t … she was she’s dyslexic y’all. (Brad: Yeah) And she’s writing. So whatever yours …

Brad Crowell
How crazy is that? (Lesley: Yeah) Like imagine that being like a major roadblock when in your youth. And then, you know, she figured out how to work your way through it by micro dosing those tasks.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Okay. One more thing before we let you go. So I’m listening to this book again – We Should All Be Millionaires and yes, it will have her on the pod. She is on the wish list. I’m going to have to just like DM her every day until she’s like, “Please stop. I’m coming on.” But she talks about removing ‘but’ from our vocabulary so like, like for example. (Brad: But I really like it.) With the double T? (Brad: Just kidding.) You can use គូទ which is Cambodian for butt no one will know. But here’s what (but shit.) All right. And here’s what it is. When you instead of saying ‘but’ replace it with ‘and’. So in her example, in her book, it is like, I want to buy a house, ‘and’ I have credit card debt. Instead of ‘but’ I have credit card debt. (Brad: Sure) So owning the thing. So the reason this came up for me is like Maggie is a writer, and she has dyslexia. (Brad: Right) Not ‘but I’m dyslexic.’ Do you see the difference? Like, do you hear it like, and it makes a massive difference when …

Brad Crowell
Or you can swap it out to ‘despite’.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, but I think it’s, I think it’s about ownership. (Brad: Okay.) I think that it’s more it’s more about ownership and not letting that thing be an obstacle at all. So ‘despite’ means, like you still overcame the obstacle, and ‘and’ it’s the same, you know, like, (Brad: It’s also there.) It’s also there. And I, what I like about it is we it’s helping us ditch perfection, everyone. (Brad: Right) And it is allowing us to not be a victim or hold ourselves back from whatever that thing is that you would put ‘but’ in front of. So you put ‘and’, you own it, and you’re not letting it be the thing that keeps you from doing what you’re here on this planet to do.

Brad Crowell
Well, I think that is a wrap.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Thank you so much for joining us today. We are so grateful for you. How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag the @be_it_pod, tag Maggie Daniels. Let us know which ones worked for you, let us know what you’re inspired by and send it to a friend. Here’s the deal. (Brad: Yeah) By now, because I’d have I can’t see into the future but we should be about 50,000 downloads. We didn’t get there because of like just me and Brad talking into a microphone. We got there because of you. So every time you share of this pod with a friend, you text a friend, you tag them in our Instagram accounts, you post it to your stories, you are influencing people to change the lives and be it till they see it and we could not be more grateful. So keep doing it. (Brad: Yeah) Because it couldn’t get there without you. And we’ll catch you in the next episode.

Brad Crowell
Bye for now.

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Lesley Logan
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Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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