An Energetic

Paradigm Shift

Ep. 72 with Lesley & Brad

“You control how you feel.”

Brad Crowell

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A conversation that is zippy, energetic, and fancy… Or maybe it was exuberant, productive, and joyful? Listen to LL and Brad to find out how you shift your paradigm to design positive experiences for yourself and have some fun choosing your daily adjectives.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Future pilates tours/retreat plans
  • Giving yourself permission to design the experience you enjoy
  • Intentionally sculpting your routines
  • Shifting your paradigm
  • Choosing your three adjectives for your day

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    Lesley Logan
    Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.


    Lesley Logan 0:45
    Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the transformative convo I have with Mallory Gott in our last episode. (Brad: Yeah, we are.) If you haven’t yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us. I mean, you know after you, if you … if you did listen to Mallory, you get to do things based on how you feel. So, whatever you’re feeling say, you get to create that, that journey. So … (Brad: That’s true.) I freakin’ love her. I’m so, so glad that we get to know her and have mutual friends and we even get to spend the holidays with her briefly. I got to see a clip of Die Hard which made me go, “Maybe I should watch Die Hard.” (Brad laughs) So anyways, um, uh, y’all, I had a birthday.

    Brad Crowell 1:28
    Yeah, happy birthday!

    Lesley Logan 1:30
    Mm-hmm. And usually, I do a big, choose your own adventure birthday party, but since the pandemic, I pretty much stopped doing that. In fact, this year, I told Brad, he “I want to have a birthday. I want to get overdressed. You have to plan it.” So (Brad laughs) anyways, he did and since we record this early, I did have a birthday. I have not experienced it yet. So full disclosure, I don’t what we did.

    Brad Crowell 1:51
    And “Brad planned it” in the future past tense that (Lesley: Yeah) (Lesley laughs) this has been recorded. (Lesley: But …) Brad’s swears, Brad planned it.

    Lesley Logan 1:58
    Yeah … I this is like like, just subliminal, like just “Brad’s planning it. Brad, Brad’s planning. Brad’s planned it.” (Brad and Lesley laughs) (Brad: We’re almost done) Talk about Be It Till You See It, I’m just making birthday happen without me planning it. And also super fun. The scheduling tool that we partnered with Pocket Suite is officially out. So the Profitable Pilates edition is out.

    Brad Crowell 2:19
    So fired up. Yes, (Lesley: Oh my God) this is amazing. (Lesley: this is amazing) If you are a business owner of any kind that has to deal with clients, and you have to send invoices or schedule, you know, dog walks, it doesn’t matter, you can use this tool to do it. Obviously, we’ve geared it towards Pilates people because that’s who we that’s, that’s mostly our (Lesley: … Yeah) history here. But it’s it’s really a flexible tool and is … it is amazing.

    Lesley Logan 2:48
    All of my coaching advice on there can be, can be geared towards any service based business. So enjoy, super fun. And we we I my favorite webinar to teach is on scheduling, like, how to schedule your life and have … it’s not air quotes, balanced, hard word for me because, you know, there are different seasons to your business, if it for honest, but a lot of people like to know how I get things done. So, I scheduled or schedule, I created a workshop free webinar on how to schedule your life with all your priorities in it. And it also talks about this amazing scheduling tool, and that webinar is free. And you can watch the replay.

    Brad Crowell 3:25
    Yeah, the replay will be available for you. You can just go to… Let’s make one up here, (Lesley: gemstones) Yeah, gemstones it is. (Lesley: Yeah) So that’s weird. If you don’t know what that’s referring to, you’re gonna have to watch the replay.

    Lesley Logan 3:50
    Clearly haven’t watched the webinar. (Brad laughs) So, I’m all about, I’m all about gemstones.

    Brad Crowell 3:54
    That link will be in the show notes. (Lesley: Yeah) And the …

    Lesley Logan 3:59
    But it is a free, it’s a free webinar that I, I will teach you these things and people love that. It’s like a dream schedule webinar. And then at the end, we go over the free tool, so you can get both.

    Brad Crowell 4:10
    Yeah, so if you’ve ever heard me jokingly refer to a Swiss cheese schedule. That that this webinar will help you resolve clients that are booking at nine in the morning or nine at night. Or you know, “Oh the only time I could take them is 6pm on a Sunday when it’s my day off,” you know, so you’ll you this is a …

    Lesley Logan 4:34
    For my vegans listening a Swiss cheese schedule is a block with holes in it. (Brad laughs) So block of time and there is a hole in it.

    Brad Crowell 4:41
    Imagine your calendar is the (Lesley: Yeah) Swiss, the Swiss cheese …

    Lesley Logan 4:44
    Yeah, yeah. And that’s that’s really annoying because like I had a Swiss cheese kind of morning this morning and I was like not enough time to start anything. (Brad: Right) It wasn’t enough time to do anything and I wasn’t hungry yet. So like this … “What am I doing?” (Brad laughs) I’m gonna go look at the cactus. (Brad: why is there cheese?) Anyways, so profitablepilates/gemstones. You heard that here. Okay, so last friggin’ thing I’m excited about, (Brad: Coming up) you’re hearing about a lot because I’m I’m gonna shout from the rooftops until this happens and here’s why. Too many people either are afraid to start Pilates because it’s weird and they think it’s weird and they’re new. They don’t want to do it wrong, or you’ve been doing Pilates but you just don’t get it. And I’m on a mission “More bodies doing Pilates.” So the full body in 15 is a week long program, where I’m going to teach you how to do a full body Pilates workout in 15 minutes. You can pair it with any of your other workouts you already do and enjoy or go to

    Brad Crowell 4:44
    Yeah, and that is kicking off on the 20th of Feb. (Lesley: Yes. Oh my gosh) So, join us. There’s gonna be some live, some replays all the things but yeah (Lesley: Yeah) coming up.

    Lesley Logan 5:47
    Okay, what is the audience question love?

    Brad Crowell 5:49
    Okay, great question. Obviously, something that we love, and we’re very passionate about. Question was when are we going back on tour? (Lesley: I know. Um …) That is a good question. (Lesley: Great question. So that’s …) To which we we know we have at least one answer, (Lesley: Do you remember …) which would be …

    Lesley Logan 6:07
    on sitcoms when they put the TO BE CONTINUED at the bottom. ( Lesley and Brad: da da da da) Here’s what I do know. We are … (Brad: To be continued) we are going to be heading out on an awesome little adventure in the summertime to go when I’m teaching at Momentum Fest. (Brad: Yeah, yeah) So we will be heading up at least Colorado. And we have not decided if we’re adding on to that because June is actually a very busy month. (Brad: Yeah. It’s kind of, we got a bunch of things going on.) It’s like three trips in four, I don’t even understand. So, I don’t know if we’ll be able to add anything to that. So just definitely come to Momentum Fest. We will for sure do one in the winter, as far as the cities that we’re going to do. You know, shoot your city out. I know for sure we’re gonna go to Rhode Island because we promised them that last year, so we …

    Brad Crowell 6:51
    I’m I’m trying to get us back to Fort Wayne, Indiana during the summer. (Lesley: What? Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah) So that we, we can do a sweet water appearance as (Lesley: He’s trying really hard) that would put us, that would put us coincidentally near Chicago, potentially. So …

    Lesley Logan 7:10
    Well, I rather do Chicago in the summer than in the winter. Um, so no offense my Chicagoans. If that’s the word. It’s so freakin’ cold. (Brad: I think it’s a word) It’s just too many cold cities on the winter tour. I really like the Southern part of our tour because it’s hot, hot, hot. So (Lesley laughs) But anyways, for sure winter, we do want here’s in the dream world, we would do a West Coast tour, and then some sort of Summer Tour somewhere. And to get the Upper Midwest, we’ve been promising them (Brad: Maybe even up into Canada.) Yeah and to Canada, and then the the winter tour. However, I’m really holding out for retreat. And so I … (Brad: Oh we are), I have a hard time planning a tour until I can get my retreats back up. So just stay tuned. And you know, we can make the winter tour as long as we need. So just throw us your city out there.

    Brad Crowell 7:59
    In fact, fingers crossed that I can get back to Cambodia here in March into April to prep the retreat space (Lesley: Mm-hmm) because if all does go well, we hope to have a retreat in the fall (Lesley: the fall) into potentially into the winner of this year. (Lesley: Yeah. So …) So if you have if you’ve ever thought about Cambodia, you can go to Almost positive that’s the link …(Lesley: You just go to We’ll put the link to get on the waitlist (Lesley: and you can see …) or retreats in the show notes.

    Lesley Logan 8:34
    All the things that are Pilates. You can’t see anything that’s business you got to go to for that. But anyways, I love this question. Thank you for asking it. You know, there’s only so many days in the year and I’m we are really trying to make sure that we hold space for a potential retreat before we put anything on the books because I really am after two years of all this. I don’t want to cancel anything anymore. So (Brad: Yeah, I’m over …) I’m over the emails for that and so far 2022 has been canceled free. I’m trying to keep it that way. (Lesley laughs) (Brad: Yeah) Okay. Let’s talk about Mal.

    Brad Crowell 9:06
    Yeah. Okay, so exciting. Let’s talk about Mallory Gott. Mallory Gott or Mal is the founder and creator, creative director of G+A, guiding clients through experimental design. She helps give people the opportunity to change the experiences they’re having by redesigning based on feeling (Lesley: feeling) which I find really interesting. She is against cutting veggies. She’s a lover of Mad Libs and is a fellow Vesta coffee roaster, lover because she’s here in Vegas.

    Lesley Logan 9:47
    Yeah, I know. We got to talk about that. If you didn’t listen to the last episode. The end is really fun. (Brad: She gave Jared a shout out.) I know, Jared our neighbor. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. We’re actually drinking your coffee right now. (Brad: It’s true.) (Brad laughs) Okay. So, in fact I ordered, posted mates yesterday, just so I could have the coffee beans delivered and it was glorious. And I was like, “Gosh, this is the life.” Okay, so one of the things I love that she talked about was giving yourself permission to design an experience you enjoy. And I, I think, first of all, she literally embodies Being It Till You See It. This is how she trains every one of her clients like everything they do, they’re being the thing that they want to see at the end of whatever the project is. And so that’s actually what caught my eye towards her and in her be on this podcast. But we always talk about like, other people have said, “Give yourself permission. Give yourself permission.” Thor talked about gotta give yourself permission slip, but this (Brad: Right) is like, I think we get caught up on like some… if something is hard work that it’s going to be hard to do. And we like can put, we can put feelings toward something and then the experience and what you think about it, it changes you and how you want to show up there. So she’s like, give yourself an experience to design a community you enjoy. So what would make the thing you’re doing more enjoyable? And how can you do that for me in the morning, like, I like to put all of our what do you call them.

    Brad Crowell 11:11
    You’re really good at this by the way. Like I know that you you like intentionally sculpt your morning in a way that allows you to be set up for the day. (Lesley: Mm-hmm)

    Lesley Logan 11:23
    (Brad: And I am … ) Tell me more about myself. (Brad: Yeah) (Lesley laughs, no).

    Brad Crowell 11:27
    I admire that because that’s the opposite of how I do my day.

    Lesley Logan 11:31
    I know, I walked in the house and I was like, “Oh, he hasn’t event poured coffee yet. Oh, the dog hasn’t had breakfast. But did he just get up? What’s going on here?”

    Brad Crowell 11:37
    No I’d been up for awhile (Lesley: Yeah) just my morning changed completely.

    Lesley Logan 11:41
    So I do, I do wake up early in the morning because I want I’m very intentional about the how that and that is a permission that I gave myself. I gave myself more permission of space and have a morning that doesn’t have stress, or I don’t like to be rushed in the morning. It really makes me anxious. That feels like the day is going to be anxious. So I give myself permission to have lots of space, which does require some planning. But one of the other things I really have been doing is like getting the was like some sort of like luxury or I don’t know what I was thinking. But I actually stayed at Allison’s house. And she would like do her little oil infuser. Right? And every like it would turn off and she put oil on because I’m like, “Oh, this smells so good.” And so I literally gave myself permission to every morning put all the oil infusers on the house and now we’ve got three that are just going and then I have another one on the other… And I love it because the whole house smells fresh. And it smells like the way I like it. Brad doesn’t always like it but I like it.

    Brad Crowell 12:38
    It’s actually really pleasant for me and it’s definitely it’s a positive experience. I also am amazed that you find the time to set those up everyday. (Lesley: Okay, so here so …) Like we make the time to make the coffee because we go, “I need the coffee.”

    Lesley Logan 12:56
    You all. You want (Brad: What?) to hear how this is working out for me. Okay, this is all uh, this is all routines and habits you have to get really good at but obviously celebrate you can take my habits webinar on that however, here’s the deal. I have a routine we come in from the dog walk, run, whatever it is. And while the hot water is heating for the coffee, (Brad: hmm) I feed the boys some… sometimes there’s one or the other ones bowl just sits there. Then after I do that they’re not staring at me anymore. Then I have the water pitcher that I take to the three diffusers with the oils are already next, they are already set up, they’re already there. Okay, and then the hot water is done and I make the coffee and then I do my next thing which is usually either Pilates or my peloton or something else that is like breath work. For me still because that coffee takes 10 to 15 minutes do its thing. So it’s not ready yet so I just do something else for myself and then that’s that’s how I find the time, you can’t watch water boil. They literally say that. Anyway.

    Brad Crowell 13:57
    It’s like paint drying. (Lesley: Yeah. So …) Or it’s like cactus is growing.

    Lesley Logan 14:02
    But I also just like once I saw someone do it and sometimes it takes you seeing other people do it so do search for evidence for the permission you wish to give yourself but once I saw someone doing it looked like it didn’t, it took her 13 seconds and I was like, “Oh I really want to have an enjoyable morning.” Like the morning to me sets up the whole workday and well that way when I walk out the office and into the kitchen the house smells like it’s been lived and cared for and I want the house to smell like that because I want the experience I have each day to be like I’m not doing this just to like slave at my desk all day. I’m doing this because I want to I get to live in this enjoyable place. So anyways permission granted …

    Brad Crowell 14:38
    Well this this rolls right into the thing that I really loved which was shifting your paradigm. Like how you see the things that you have to do. And because giv… so giving yourself permission first off, what you did was almost the BE IT action item. What (Lesley: Yeah) you’re talking about here with the with the changing your environment, you’re literally putting on a thing that is, it’s like, it’s like putting the the crystal with $100 bill in your drawer, (Lesley: Yeah) where where you open it and you go, “Oh, yeah, right, I’m going to focus on that today.” Changing the, this the the olfactory, you know, scent of our kitchen, when I walk in in the morning, I’m like, “Oh, I like being in here.” Right? And that is a very simple action item thing to do. But the permission part of it is, I think it’s funny, because we get so sucked into the hard thing that we forget to be objective about it and go, “Hey, I know this is hard but does it have to feel hard?” (Lesley: Right) You know, maybe it doesn’t have to feel this hard. And, and so that’s the per… you have the you can give yourself the permission to look at it in a different way. But that’s tied into the shifting of the paradigm, right? (Lesley: Mm-hmm) My mom used to say, “Have to do before want to do. Have to do before want to do.” Right? I mean, it was like, I don’t know, she must have said it to me a hundred … a hundred times, a thousand times growing up, I think, I mean, I heard that for… forever for my entire elementary school, middle school, probably even in the high school. In high school, she kind of shifted to “You’re putting too much in one day. You’re putting too much in one day.” (Brad laughs)

    Lesley Logan 14:58
    Brad put too much in one day? (Brad: No) Never (Lesley laughs)

    Brad Crowell 16:27
    But you know that, you know, then then it was like, “Oh, I gotta do my chores around the house before I can go out to play” (Cries) and I would be angry about it. Right? And I think that there’s this shifting of the paradigm and what Mallory was talking about, which I thought was really cool is, what if instead of it being like, “Damn it, I have to vacuum the stairs before I can go run around,” got shifted to “I get to go run around after I vacuum the stairs.” (Lesley: Right) And that I think is really shifting the paradigm. It’s just again, like looking at it from the other side of the coin, as it were, you know, where you get to, to you still have to do thing. (Lesley: Yeah) But now instead of it being this really frustrating, angry experience. It’s, you know, you’re you’re dwelling on the the thing that you actually want to be doing anyway. And this you just got to do this so that you can go do that. (Dog barks)

    Lesley Logan 17:29
    Yeah, I um. I think, you know, I love that, that you grew up with that. I think there’s also like, it’s if you only hear people in your life complaining, it becomes a it does feel a little hard to be the positive polly around. (Brad: positive polly) (Brad laughs) One of our guests, he’s coming up next week, he said, “You two must annoy the hell out of people. You’re like so positive.” (Brad laughs) And I was like, “Do you think we do?” And I do, I think people get because like we when bad things happen. People want to like roll on the ground with us. And we’re like, “It’s fine” cause what are we to do. Everything happens for us. It’s fine.” Also, because suddenly we didn’t like feel the crap. We just felt it and we moved on. We’re like, “How do we do this?” And so I do think it’s that the if you can make your shift in the paradigm your superpower. You can change your course quickly. And like the life you want to have is going to happen so much faster. So

    Brad Crowell 18:21
    Yeah, well, it sounds like Mallory is the queen of shifting your paradigm. (Lesley: She’s so good) So, super cool.

    Lesley Logan 18:27
    Yeah, she’s so chill. Okay, BE IT action items, (Brad: Yeah) break it down because she had these like three that work together.

    Brad Crowell 18:33
    Yeah. So what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items that can you do, can we take away. Sorry, from your convo with Mallory Gott? Well, right out of the gate, she said, “Decide how you want to feel.” (Lesley: Yeah) Right? And that I think is not the way that most people focus on the thing they have to (Lesley: no) do. Right? She says, “Choose how you want to feel around the thing that you want to do.” Maybe you have to do but you can still you still control how you feel. And she said to pick three adjectives about your day like that you want to experience and then how can you apply those adjectives to the things that you have to do?

    Lesley Logan 19:23
    Yeah, I think that is really, really fun. I’m just googling adjectives right now because (Brad laughs) if you’re like me, and you’re good memorizer to take the test and then you’re like, (Brad: You have the descriptor.) … Yes. So a word or phrase naming an attribute, added to or added to or grammatically related to a noun to modify or describe it. So you’re the noun and and whatever you want to attribute to how you are in the moment of the thing. So that makes that makes me excited. You can actually Google like adjectives and like, there’s like a bunch of sites that like 150 adjectives, you know, like you can pick them. So if you are like …

    Brad Crowell 20:01
    I also think that it doesn’t necessarily need to be like, like exclusively an adjective you could pick joy. I don’t think joy’s an adjective. (Lesley: I know you but you could also though I want …) I guess joyful would be an adjective.

    Lesley Logan 20:13
    Yeah, yeah. So there’s, there’s I found a site that 150 of the most common. I’m going to be honest, this has a lot of like, depressing ones like mhmm, so I’ll go through and highlight all the most positive or like look up positive adjectives. I should have done that. And then pick three and then do the thing that she just said, which is, it makes it makes me think of like Hilary Hartling, like ta-da list… (Brad: I was just thinking about that. Yeah) So like your take Mallory Gott’s little situation here, little system, three adjectives. Take it to your to-do list, mad… inverted the Mad Libs rock on. Then you can get to go, “Tadaa.” (Leslye laughs) So, I like this. I’m gonna, I’m gonna have a zippy afternoon with my meeting.

    Brad Crowell 20:55
    A zippy? (Lesley: Mm-hmm) Okay. All right. Yeah, I’m gonna have a (Lesley: I’m gonna proudly do my calls.) Yeah, what are the three, what are your three adjectives for today?

    Lesley Logan 21:05
    Mine? (Brad: Yeah) Oh, okay. So well, I thought I think proud is awesome. And that feels like, tall, energetic and fancy.

    Brad Crowell 21:15
    Oh, fancy. (Lesley: Yeah) I love that. Okay, so (Lesley: Yeah. What are yours?) what are you, what do you have to do later today that you’re going to make fancy?

    Lesley Logan 21:22
    I have worked on those kind of like flashcards. (Brad laughs) So I’m going to proudly with, “What was my other one, proudly …” (Brad: Ah um …) Oh, my God, short term memory just blanked on me. Fancy and what? Here’s what I’m just gonna new make one (Brad: Pick another one) Okay, when I do the fla… I’m going to do the flashcards …

    Brad Crowell 21:44
    You guys can hit rewind, and then tell (Lesley laughs) us what she said.

    Lesley Logan 21:47
    What I say? I’m going to zealously.

    Brad Crowell 21:50
    Zealously, you definitely didn’t pick that one. But …

    Lesley Logan 21:53
    No, nope. Um, I am going to, I’m going to say, I’m proudly work on those cards, because I am so fucking proud of them. And I really do. Can’t wait for you to have them. So I’m going to proudly work on those cards in and when I and then I’m going to sit there in a fancy outfit while I’m doing it.

    Brad Crowell 22:07
    Yeah. And I think for me, I’m going to um… Let’s see, exuberantly

    Lesley Logan 22:17
    Oh, well, now you’re just, now it’s a spelling test. (Brad laughs)

    Brad Crowell 22:22
    I’m going to exuberantly host a webinar, although there’s nothing negative about hosting the webinar, because it’s going to be with our friend Alex Street. It’s gonna be so cool. (Lesley: I know) … you gonna love it.

    Lesley Logan 22:35
    He’s a past guest, you can listen to him. He’s just so cool.

    Brad Crowell 22:38
    And then productively get done a bunch of boring contract work (Lesley: I think …) that I have to do that I’m not excited about. So, (Lesley: I think you have to remove those those adjectives) Yeah, exactly. We’re gonna swap that out to that’s the productive and exuberant and the last one is going to be … I do like joyful and that …

    Lesley Logan 23:05
    You could joyfully work on these contracts. You can whistle while you work.

    Brad Crowell 23:08
    With exuberance. Yes and (Lesley: Yeah, yeah) productiveness.

    Lesley Logan 23:11
    And then you’re going to the gym with … you’re going to gleamly go to the gym (Brad: gleamly) I don’t know. I’m just looking at another. (Brad and Lesley laughs)

    Brad Crowell 23:20
    Alright. Somebody take away the synonyms or (Lesley: Okay) adjectives.

    Lesley Logan 23:23
    Yeah. So fun. Okay, well, anyways, if you do this system, please let us know. Screenshot this episode, tag Mallory Gott, tag Be It Till You See It pod.

    Brad Crowell 23:32
    Oh wait, sorry. She has a course. (Lesley: Oh, gosh. Okay) Yeah. So well, you know, what’s your big takeaway, Lesley? (Brad laughs)

    Lesley Logan 23:41
    I got really distracted with the adjectives and clearly we should be teaching you what she teaches. So because we’re still working out the adjectives (Brad: Yeah) in our own lives. So take her course. She’s got four parts to her course. We cover two in the interview. So

    Brad Crowell 23:55
    Yeah, the first pillar was, if you’re designing an event or an experience for people, you will want to consider how you want them to feel. Right? During the experience, which is something that you and I do all the time with the retreats. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, like, we’ve got people coming here in March to Las (Lesley: Yeah) Vegas for a fitness business retreat, we’re (Lesley: Yeah) really focused on like, “What are they going to experience? What are they going to feel?” Loved that.

    Lesley Logan 24:18
    We filter everything through how we want them to feel.

    Brad Crowell 24:19
    That’s the first part of it. The second part of it is going to be and this is something that I don’t think about this, I never think about this. (Lesley: clearly we need to take this part) Yeah. How do I want to feel while designing their retreat experience? (Lesley: Yeah, yeah, we’re gonna take this course.) And that was like, “Hmm. I didn’t I never considered me I was just making it work, making it happen.” Right? (Lesley: Yeah) So that’s, that’s pretty amazing. And then during the interview, I don’t actually recall the third and fourth part of her program, so I would absolutely (Lesley: also) recommend checking out her course.

    Lesley Logan 24:28
    Two more reasons why you should check out her course. So we’ll have that linked below (Brad: Yeah, in the show notes.) She’s amazing. We have to have her back. I don’t know. I gotta have her do a presentation. This is so freakin’ great. I’m Lesley Logan.

    Brad Crowell 25:03
    And I’m Brad Crowell.

    Lesley Logan 25:04
    Thank you for joining us today. We’re so grateful for you. Seriously so grateful. Otherwise we just be doing this for the ethers. And so thank you for listening. Thank you for downloading. Thank you for sharing. Screenshot this, tag Mallory, tag @be_it_pod with how you’re using her BE IT action items and send us that we get a DM and we can like shout you out, we can celebrate you. It’s super, super fun, and we’ll catch you on the next episode.

    Brad Crowell 25:25
    Until next time.

    Lesley Logan
    That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

    Lesley Logan
    ‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

    Brad Crowell
    It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.

    Lesley Logan
    Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.

    Brad Crowell
    Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

    Lesley Logan
    Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.

    Brad Crowell
    And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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