The Way to Find Peace

Ep. 166 with Lesley & Brad

“You do not have to have the outcome to have your life change.”

Brad Crowell

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Show Notes

Can your feelings be a good navigation point? How do you actually listen and implement change strictly based on how you feel? Brad and Lesley pull out ways you can start to be what you want your life to include through Stacy McApline’s applicable journey to peace.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Profitable Pilates Agency wins
  • The pros and cons of driving long distances
  • Where a moment of clarity can lead.
  • How you become your own client?
  • Start with the being.
  • How do you use your feelings to navigate?

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Transcript

Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the applicable, applicable, applicable, (whatever you want to say it) convo I had with Stacy in our last episode,

Brad Crowell
What if, what if I said applicable?

Lesley Logan
You know, okay, sorry. I just watched John Oliver and apparently during the Thanksgiving week every morning show on the planet was like, is it pecan or pecan? Pecan or pecan? Pecan or pecan? And I’m like, it’s not pecan. You don’t want to eat a pecan, smell a bathroom can and I was how do I say it? I say pecan or pecan, so a pecan, I say it pecan pie.

Brad Crowell
I say it pecan. Pecan pie.

Lesley Logan
Pecan pie, pecan. I don’t know. Anyways,

Brad Crowell
Eat the pecan pie.

Lesley Logan
This was an applicable convo I had with Stacy in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened to that interview. Feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us. Because she’s so cool. I can’t wait to …

Brad Crowell
Yeah. We almost went off the rails there, y’all. Thank you. Thanks. So we’re good that we’re back on track here. We got this.

Lesley Logan
We want to keep… this is in case people want to fast forward through the intro part to get to the good stuff. (Brad: And this is the good stuff.) I know. (Brad: I’m missing it.) Why? They will miss it. (Brad: Yeah) So you got to like, you got to make sure that the on the entry you keep them on their toes. Keep you on your ears.

Brad Crowell
This was this was a really fun convo. I felt like… (Lesley: It was a journey.) Well, yeah, it was a journey. It was really like her story. Not all of it. But almost all of it is what it felt like. And then she just had these nuggets of wisdom that she’s sprinkling in throughout. So it was great. I really had a good time listening to it.

Lesley Logan
I hope you watch it on the YouTubes on the YouTube channel, because I would like I would like ask her a question. And I would think that like, okay, this is the time it turns around. And like with a smile on her face. It was not the time that turned around. I was like, oh, no, that’s not good. It’s not good yet. Anyways, but I love that because I think it’s so easy for us to think, oh, you just flip the switch. And then like, life’s good again.

Brad Crowell
Life’s good. Or like I you know, I have this amazing moment of self discovery. Everything will work out.

Lesley Logan
And then it did, that does not happen. (Brad: Yeah) And also like that’s so boring if nobody wants to hear that story. Anyways, we are if you’re listening to this in real time. Thanks so much. I love that you do that. We’re literally almost home. We are bout to have lunch in Denver. That’s the goal of today.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, so we are more than two thirds of the way home.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So if you wanted to have lunch with us in Denver, I think it’s a little too late for you to tell me. But

Brad Crowell
No, just send us a DM. I mean, you gotta be, you gotta be willing to scramble here. But yeah, this comes out. We’ll still be in Kansas when this drops as we’re driving in.

Lesley Logan
Okay, well, if you’re sitting at your phone waiting for this to drop in, and you listen to it before lunchtime. In Mountain Time, then please let us know if you want me to somewhere in Denver. I’m also huge news. I just I’m so glad this is on here because I can’t believe how much time is flying. But we’ve had some massive wins with our Agency community. Like we’re talking big time (Brad: Yeah) massive wins. We’ve had three or four people open a studio in the last month. Yeah. And yeah, (Brad: And one of them in Denver.) one of them in Denver. So we’ve had yeah, Denver, Washington, somewhere in the Ontario situation and Boston. (Brad: Yeah) And I feel like I’m missing one, so that might maybe five … (Brad: Well, and Saskatoon is moving.) Oh, Saskatoon is moving. We just got that update. We’ve also had some amazing ones one on one of our members have had for a while. She had on her vision board that you want to teach 10 hours a week. And she was pregnant with her baby when she wrote that. So she was like, “There’s no way I could teach 10 hours a week. I’ve got a four year old and an a one on the way.” And she just checked her schedule and not only she teaching 10 hours a week. Boom, it’s happening. Also, she wanted to have timed her income to date by the time she did the thing from the year before. And she said, “I probably will 1.7 it.” So she’ll almost have doubled her income in a year. So …

Brad Crowell
I just got off a call earlier where we have a teacher in the UK. And she said, “I had a major family event that took me away from teaching. But because, and I’ve only been teaching a few hours a week, but because I’ve raised my rates, I’ve made $10,000 more this year than last year.”

Lesley Logan
Freaking amazing. (Brad: Yeah) That’s the goal. (Brad: Yeah) Like that’s the goal. So while we’re telling all those wins about Agency is that Agency Mini number eight is coming up. It’s, it’s actually coming up at the very beginning, end of January, (Brad: End of January.) very, very end of January, very … And if you know this, we only run this twice a year, it’s the best way to get a taste and get some love and support. And you’ll have wins just by being in Mini. So make sure you go to profitablepilates.com/mini to get on the waitlist or maybe the doors will be open free to sign up. We’re so excited about it, it’s gonna be a lot of fun.

Brad Crowell
This one of the best programs that we run y’all, and is so powerful, and people come out of it like flying high. It’s, you know, it’s more of an investment of your time, there’s a little monetary investment. But you know, you take a week with us to ask any and all questions and then we guide you through a couple of really incredible webinar and a group call stuff. And then we invite you to come join us inside of Agency.

Lesley Logan
It’s about an hour of your time a day for a week. It’s not a lot if you have a day where you can do three hours, and then a day where you can only do one, that’s okay, you’ll be able to catch up on all the replays and things like that. So at any rate, Agency Mini number eight is coming up very soon. So you’re going to want to be on the waitlist, because that’s the best way to make sure you don’t miss it, profitablepilates.com/mini. And, okay, here’s the best announcement ever. In like two days, it starts the birthday month of me. I …

Brad Crowell
It’s the weirdest way to say that. The birthday month of me. (Lesley: Yeah, my birthday month.) Okay, that’s different. But the birthday month of me. It’s the … Okay.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Well, people are listening now. (Brad: They are.) They are, they’re like, (Brad: The birthday month of her.) birthday month hers. That’s right. So um, it’s my 40th birthday at the end of January. And I’m so excited. I have some friends coming in. I’ve got a great outfit. Well, as I’m recording this, I’m hoping that I have a great, a great outfit coming. Because I told my husband which jumpsuit I wanted.

Brad Crowell
She may or may not have a great outfit upcoming. (Lesley: Yeah) Because her husband also is really good at surprises.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Anyways, it’s my 40th birthday. Yes, I have already purchased the be in the fox store that said take me 40 years to look this good. I’m gonna wear it. Probably every day. I’m gonna wash it the night before and wear it every day. Because I’m so excited. So many people think that 40 is like, “Ah, it’s my 40th birthday.” And like, so many of my friends have been 40 for a long time that I’ve just seen that they love 40 more than they loved 30s. And so it’s like, I may as well just like welcome it in. I’m stoked. I’m excited. We’re gonna have some epic things happening throughout the month one is a solo episode. So you’ll hear 40 things, not just like 40 things about me but like, things that support me, things I’m glad I went through, things I’ve learned and then things I want. Yes. And and then we’re going to have a fun little shindig sale situation. I have no idea the deets on that at the time of recording this, but it will be just make sure on the email list so you can celebrate with me. It’s gonna be awesome. Yes you can tell me happy birthday, any day of January, up until valentine’s day really. Because, you know, they might not be listening to this till like the fourth or fifth of January. So at any rate, yes. I love birthday wishes. It’s so fun. I am an Aquarius, and I will take all the goodness that comes with that.

Brad Crowell
Amazing. All right. Well, we had an audience question to share. (Lesley: This one might made me laugh out loud.) Yeah. And it was the timing of it was hilarious. I’m sure it’s because people are falling along the IG while we’re on the road. But the question was, Do you even like driving? Because we are two days away from wrapping up a 6500 mile drive around the US of A and like Lesley was saying, you know, we are on our way to Denver, but we actually after that we’re going to be heading to back home to Vegas. So and it’s quite a lot of driving and we always we tag team it we share the responsibility there.

Lesley Logan
So the question is do we like it?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, that’s the question.

Lesley Logan
So no, I don’t.

Brad Crowell
Oh, I like it.

Lesley Logan
I also don’t dislike it but there’s just like a few things that like I don’t like that unless we’re staying at our Loves that if I need to pee in the middle of the night that it’s a little complicated. So (Brad: Oh, it can’t be complicated.) I don’t want that because I do, I just I like wake up I want to go the bathroom.

Brad Crowell
Well we’re not the vans not there yet that has the internal compost… compostable toilet …

Lesley Logan
… anyways we’re gonna have some sort of toilet in there eventually that’s not like that’s key and then I’m gonna like fucking love it. I don’t like driving at night. So I do like driving in the daytime. I don’t like driving in storms so as long as it’s blue skies, flat road and it’s the morning, yes I like it.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. She takes over in the morning and drives us and then into the afternoon and then we’ll you know usually stop and whatever and then I’ll usually pick it up in the evening is at dusk is coming through and then I drive into the night.

Lesley Logan
We have like routes we take the weights and the kettlebells and all when we’re on the road. I’ll do while the dogs to the dog park running around then I like swing the kettlebell around. I look so weird. People just are like, “Why is she doing?” I’m like literally like (Brad: At the dog park.) kettlebell swings, push up like I’ll find a bench and I’m like, I can do step ups there. And I like make my own little workout and because Pilates I’ll do the standing exercises. But I’m not I’m not laying down at a dog park. Like I know what’s going on that ground. That’s gross. So but in the bed when I get in the back I do a lot of stretches. Because my I’m the I don’t even know I sit for work. I don’t sit like that. (Brad: Yeah, it’s a lot of sitting …) I have a pillow that I use for my lower back to like, keep my hips adjusted in a certain way. Otherwise anyways, so do I even like it? I like the idea of it. And I like parts of it. But I don’t, I don’t love love it. Maybe when the van is together.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. It’s like it’s pretty, it’s pretty, it’s pretty, it’s it’s pretty comfortable but it’s not luxurious yet.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, we’re not glamping yet. (Brad: No, not yet …) This is not a glamping yet. Also, like in general, I’m not a big driver. Although, I know you know, I want a G Wagon. I can’t wait to drive that thing. But

Brad Crowell
She cannot wait to drive it, half a mile down the road. (Lesley: Yeah) And then half a mile back.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. I’m just gonna drive it to the coffee shop and the gym. Maybe I’ll take us to the gym, (Brad: Oh, I love that.) you know. But, but I yeah, driving is not my like, “Oh, let’s go for a drive.” It’s just I do enjoy, like getting out away out of the routine. My brain gets to think so. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. I hope that answers. It’s not, it’s not answer. We’d like parts of it.

Brad Crowell
It’s a long trip, but it’s okay.

Lesley Logan
So thank you for your questions. And those of you who have to stay on the tour. Thank you so much for coming out. I know the holidays are crazy. And it’s just like, ah, it’s hard to get there. But we so appreciate you and stay tuned for future tours for sure.

Brad Crowell
Okay, now let’s talk about Stacy McAlpine. Stacy was using her process improvement and change management skills at a big time consulting firm to help steer massive companies including the Department of Defense or …

Lesley Logan
I was like, okay, so really big, important …

Brad Crowell
Yeah, like the VA, the Veterans Association. (Lesley: Yeah) Is that Association? No. (Lesley: Veteran Affairs) Affairs, Veteran Affairs. I was like VA. Anyway, you know, massive, massive, slow moving government organizations. She was helping them move in better directions and was really good at what she was doing. However, at the same time, her life was in shambles. She said she was completely stressed out. She was totally overwhelmed. She was in an incredible amount of debt. She told a story about her daughter actually, literally getting bad grades and going, what’s the point of school, I hate your life, I don’t want to ever be you. So I don’t want to do school, I’m out. And that was like a big wake up call for her. And also her husband. And she she realized she had this moment of clarity, where she’s like, well, I somehow got myself into this mess. So that with decisions that I’ve made, so I can get myself out of it with decisions with my with that I made. And so she started treating herself as a client and applying all this epic expertise that she has in her own life and really started shifting into implementing. How do you implement these big like my like life changing moments? How do you how do you take that and then implement and actually make the changes in your actual life?

Lesley Logan
Yeah, so … (Brad: Pretty cool.) up your alley for sure.

Brad Crowell
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Like all the project management. Everything’s, I was like, “Oh, okay. Okay. I love it.”

Lesley Logan
Well, one thing I love that when she was talking about her overwhelming life, she said, by so far, by trade she processes improvement changes, basically project management. And so she took herself on as a client. So instead of it being personal, it was like, it was like, the if, if if she had walked into another project manager or process implementer place, how would they treat her and then that’s what she did. And so I love this because I think it can be so hard. So I was just talking to one of our pro members on a coaching call. She’s like, “I’m so organized when I help other people in their business because she’s helping her partner. And then I’m not organized in mine.” And I’m like, “Well, that’s often the case.” So because we get a little hung up and it’s personal. And we wanted to hit our goals and we want it to mean something we want to be seen. We don’t make mistakes. (Brad: Yeah) And so I love this because it’s such a be it till you see it kind of thing, because you can actually, she basically made her business be the thing she wanted to be by being her bus… being herself a client. That makes sense. Yeah.

Brad Crowell
Well, yeah, I mean, she made her life be what she wanted to be. (Lesley: Yes) You know, but also too, I think it’s very typical. I don’t I don’t think this is an abnormal phenomenon or something weird. I mean, the cobblers kids have no shoes, right? I mean … (Lesley: I said that to the girl on the call.) Yeah, it goes back to that whole thing. And I think that as a Pilates teacher, you probably and anyone else who’s a Pilates teacher here can probably relate that somehow your practice seems to be the last thing on the priority list. And that’s, that’s pretty typical. I mean, inside of Agency, and even on OPC. We hear that all the time (Lesley: from the teachers) from the teachers. And they’re like, “Oh, my God, I’m so happy that OPC exists because I’m doing my practice. I haven’t been doing my own practice for so long.”

Lesley Logan
Our non teachers definitely get their practice in.

Brad Crowell
So in this case with her like she is using all of her focus and skills to help move these companies along. And literally just ignoring herself.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And she and she made herself her own client, which (Brad: Yeah) I think is just a it’s just a better way. So if you’ve got …

Brad Crowell
Well, yeah think about that, if you’re, the teaching is great. Like, how could you become your own client, a Pilates client? You know.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So the first thing I do with a client as I schedule them into put them in the schedule. (Brad: Hey) Right. So like, how do I put them in the schedule, I would put my Pilates practice in the schedule. And then the next thing I would do is like, plan it out, like, okay, what are their goals? Like, what are their needs? Like what’s going on? And then I would make that the lesson. I would go, okay, so then I need to do some reformer on the first day. I do this on the next day. So that’s how I would do it.

Brad Crowell
I think I think what you just said is probably the thing that people don’t do the most is actually put it in the calendar.

Lesley Logan
No, they’re gonna put it in where it fits, which means it won’t fit if you know my jar thing, you know, it won’t fit. It’s not it can’t be last minute, unless it’s glitter and your pri… your priorities are not glitter. Your priorities are a frickin rock and … (Brad: Yeah, rock.) So yeah, I just thought this was I just love that. And I hope that you guys got that. Because anything, do you have a great skill set in that you are like using to support others? Can you like flip it around and put it on yourself and see how that helps you do what you want to do in this world?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, can you be your own client, I love that. I really loved what she said, this was like, really poignant. And you, you stopped the whole conversation right after she said it and had a whole comment about it. But she said you do not have to have the outcome to have your life change. Okay, so I want to say that again, you do not have to have the outcome, to have your life change. Now, obviously, your life will change more when you have the outcome, whatever the outcome is of the thing, but the process of going after the outcome is going to change your life as well. Okay, so you do not have to have the outcome already finished, complete done today, in order for your life to begin to change. Okay. And, you know, she said there’s, there’s definitely ways, like, she talks about creating a systematic approach a trusted method, you know, but the point here is this, like she was in the most insane amount of overwhelm, and stress and debt with her, what her personal life, her husband at the time was going to college. He was doing law school, and that was like, you know, not only were they they had 90,000, in credit card debt, they had a upset mortgage, and they were adding $200,000 in law school loans to the pile. And she was like, you know, working so much that our kids we’re calling her grandma, not mom. And I don’t know why I didn’t really understand that. But that was happening. And so so but she was she wanted to begin to get this change in her life, and started to prioritize herself. That’s when change started to happen, even though she hadn’t achieved the thing yet. But when she began to prioritize herself, all of a sudden, it was like, okay, step back. She literally was going to quit her job all these, like, very, like major changes. But you know, there were steps that she was taking to get to the goal, the end goal, and it was a long time coming. I think she ended up, she quit, she worked herself. She ended up going back into consulting for another seven years, and then quit again. Right. So she didn’t actually quote unquote, get the outcome for like 10 years or whatever that timeline actually was. However, her life was changing through that whole time.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, and I think that’s a really important thing. We just had Sandra Chuma inside of Agency. I don’t remember her episode number but I just love her so much and she also talked about this like, it’s, we often have a goal. And so we start by doing, and she was like, You should start with the being. And because how we think about something determines the actions we take. And so I just think that that’s like a very similar thing. It’s like, what if we didn’t focus so much on like getting that outcome, and then I’ll be happy. Hello, the name of this podcast is Be It Till You See It. So how about you, you actually start to have like, you can start to see the outcome happen in small, different ways, just by making the decision. And then, you know, maybe a tiny action, maybe five minutes, maybe seven minutes, but being the person who has had the outcome already, will allow you to see more change happen in your life.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I mean, this, this is such a, it’s, it’s a little bit of like the enjoy the journey concept. But it’s not that it’s not annoying in that sense, this is just straight up practicality. If you are going after a goal, you have to make changes in your life to get to that point. And those changes, hopefully are going to start helping, you know, address some of the things that you’re struggling with today.

Lesley Logan
So I don’t know where I heard this. It may have been in my own podcast. But did you know that obviously, the so there is a study that was done a research that people who like got go Olympic medals, and the the person who had the bronze statistically is happier than the person who got the silver because the silver medalist must be in, it must be an Allen Stein, Jr.’s book, and I just interviewed him, but the silver medalist only can think about what they lost. They lost out on the gold, but the gold medalist thinks about how close they came like (Brad: The bronze …) the bronze, the bronze medalist goes, oh my gosh, I was like I just made it on. Like, like they’re like so (Brad: They’re grateful to be there.) they’re grateful that they got to because they could have so easily not been on that platform at all. (Brad: Right) And so I think it’s I think it’s so fascinating, we can get so focused on an outcome and we missed out on all of the changes that can happen just by incorporating implementing the plans for the person you want to be or the life you want to have. So anyways, you’re y’all, that episode’s gonna be great, go, but we’ll talk about that on his recap. Anyways, I just really enjoyed Stacy. She’s had it, it was a real, a real story authentic and like, and I’m excited for her and she’s got some good stuff coming up. So make sure you check out the show notes because what she talked about in our episode, there’s an opportunity to work with her. (Brad: Yeah) Like right after this episode comes out.

Brad Crowell
Oh, right. Yeah, she’s running one of her programs. Yeah.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Okay. We have more to talk about though.

Brad Crowell
All right. Let’s finally talk about the BE IT action items that she had. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Stacy McAlpine. Okay, so she gave us basically one that had a handful of steps in it. So I thought we could go through it together.

Lesley Logan
Okay. So the the the overall one is use your feelings to navigate. And like,

Brad Crowell
I thought this was super interesting that she boiled it like after listening to because we just had that webinar yesterday was Sandra Chuma. And she said, play the seven why’s. And she said most often the seventh why really boils down to how you feel. And I thought it was so funny, Stacy called it out right away. She’s like, nothing matters except for how we feel, period. We do everything based on why we feel how we feel what you know what we’re feeling all the things so she said, use your feelings to navigate.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So and you’re like, Okay, thanks, guys. Because I know, perfectionists and overachievers are like, yeah.

Brad Crowell
What does that mean? How do you navigate with feelings?

Lesley Logan
She kept going. So first one is when feeling something you don’t like and this is, this is so key. Notice when you’re like avoiding something this goes back to Kate Wind’s episode too, like, where in your house do you use a four letter word when you walk through? Right? Like, just notice the feelings you don’t like and where they are in your body or where they are in your day?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, so if you feel something that you don’t like, stop,

Lesley Logan
look and listen

Brad Crowell
Stop, drop and roll. No, stop. Okay, identify where it is coming from. Okay, what is it that’s causing that feeling that you don’t like? And then she said, one you identify that. Now you can take one baby … what is what is one baby step that you can take that’ll get you close for, closer to feeling peaceful. So when you feel something that you don’t like, notice it, stop, identify where that feeling is coming from. And then what is one baby step that you can take that will help you get closer to feeling peaceful? And she said, usually there’s multiple steps like two or three, but just start with one.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, so I hope this I mean, you can do this today, like right now, I’m sure somehow and then between now and near tomorrow, something is not going to be going well you like and then you can play with these things and just see where it is like you can even see where it is in your body. You can see where it’s, you know, that’s gonna sound a little woo to some people, but you know, your body knows what it doesn’t like and it might be like in your left shoulder and or it could be just that you are like I really do not like at this route but I take home. Okay, so then what, stop and then identify why that where where’s it coming from? Oh, it’s do not like your job. Do you not like the car you’re in? Do not like who you’re with? Or maybe there’s another route? (Brad: Yeah, I need to use a hellicopter instead) Or maybe there’s a different time? Maybe you don’t like it because of the time of day, you know. So anyways, I think it’s really fun. She’s super cool. I hope you if this resonated with you, I hope we get a chance to work with her. Let us know how you use these tips in your life and like what you notice when you use your feelings to navigate. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
And, I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Thank you so much for being here. We are so so so grateful for you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
Be It Till You See It is a production of Bloom Podcast Network.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host Lesley Logan. And me Brad Crowell. Our associate producer is Amanda Frattarelli.

Lesley Logan
Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Mesh Herico for creating all of our visuals, (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week, so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each episode, so you can find it on our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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