How to Live Pain Free

and Unlock the

Fountain of Youth

Ep. 123 ft. Sue Hitzmann

“Fascia is the fountain of youth within the body.”

Sue Hitzmann

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Bio

Sue Hitzmann, MS, CST, NMT, is an internationally recognized neurofascial science & research educator, manual therapist, exercise physiologist, and founding member of the Fascia Research Society. She’s the founder and creator of The MELT Method, a simple self-care technique that addresses the missing link to pain-free living – hydrated, supple fascia and a stable, balanced nervous system. She’s authored two bestselling books, and is the owner of Longevity Fitness Inc., an online consumer and professional education business.

Show Notes

We found the Fountain of YOUTH and guess what it’s right inside of you. This week’s episode holds all the secrets to healing yourself from the inside, understanding the importance of your fascia, and how to finally live pain free.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • A new method of healing and self-care – MELT
  • Fascia is the stability system of your body and fountain of youth
  • Myths that eating right and exercise leads to a healthy life
  • The issue in our health industry
  • MELT is a systematic process, not just a quick fix. An education and methodology.
  • Seeking to heal ourselves internally
  • The way you think will impact the way you move through life and how your body reacts to itself.
  • You’re not getting ahead if you don’t fail
  • Not being tied to your past and limiting your future

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Transcript

INTRODUCTION

Lesley Logan
Hey love. What if I told you that some of the things that you’re feeling in your body? What if they’re, what if they’re not just this one muscle that you have to go work on? Or what if it wasn’t, what if your digestion wasn’t just from something you ate? What if it was all related to your fascia? And what if many of the things that you’re stuck on being able to do have a lot to do with your fascia? And how you take care of it? Well, I have to be honest, I learned as I mentioned, in this podcast, I learned about fascia and like you cut through it, and they just skipped past it. But in the recent years since I was in college, and, and even since our guest was in college, they have made such massive discoveries about our fascia, and they still are, and they still are! And that’s what’s so cool. They’re really on the precipice of this amazing, amazing science. And Sue Hitzmann is our guest today, she is the founder of the MELT Method. And y’all something I love about this, it’s like, I really, truly believe in you having the ability, having the agency to, to go within yourself, to heal yourself, to take action on the things you want to do, to really be the person you want to be in this planet. Right. And I’m excited for you to hear how powerful your fascia can be, and how much you have the ability to work on it on your own. You don’t have to go pay someone to do it. You don’t have to, you don’t have to, like go by 17 toys till Sunday. Like there’s things you can do. She says even with your hands and your feet that take less than 10 minutes, it could change everything. So anyways, I’m really excited for you to understand what fascia is how freakin powerful it is. And also more about how Sue Hitzmann our guests became who she is and what she’s up to. It’s really inspiring. We just got to the surface, we just get to the surface of how, what she’s up to and who she is. And I’m really excited because I know many of you know her, and some of you are like, “Wait, what’s fascia?” So we’re gonna dive into all of that for you right after this message.

Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

EPISODE

All right, Be It listeners, I have the very special Sue Hitzmann here for you today. I am really excited because while I don’t know her personally yet, although we’re gonna get to know each other well here and we are going to meet in person probably about the time this comes out. I know many of you are very familiar with who she is. And so I was so excited to have her on the pod because I think it’s really fun to bring on people that you are probably studying from, learning from or wanting to. So Sue the founder of the MELT Method. Let’s, thanks for being here. Can you tell everyone who you are and how you got here. And if they don’t know, what you do, we could talk about that too.

Sue Hitzmann
Sure. I am the creator of the self care method called MELT. My background, I started out in fitness when I was 16 as a group exercise instructor, and did that for many years. In fact, I did it up until COVID in live environments, always. I got a master’s in physiology and anatomy. I’m an exercise scientist. I’m a neuro fascia science and research educator. And I basically spend the majority of my life from you know, 18 on discovering ways to prolong health span, healthy, active, pain free life. And in that discovered things that were not I don’t think obvious in my background, because, you know, again, when you start in the fitness industry, you kind of buy in pretty quick to the idea that if you eat right and you exercise, you’re going to live an active healthy pain free life. And lots of people who eat right and exercise know that persistent pain is not selective. And it can happen to anybody, even people who exercise or eat a healthy diet. So my journey started in just, again, trying to lead an active life myself. And after I got into chronic pain in my late 20s, after over a decade of being in the fitness industry, it veered me out into the healing arts. And I, again spend most of my time sharing my knowledge and my skills with people, to empower people to learn how to care for themselves better so that they too can lead an active, pain free life as long as possible.

Lesley Logan
Well, thank you for doing that because I do, you know, I know a lot of people who, who do the active, healthy eating or doing all the things and then like, the other day, Brad was like, “My heel hurts.” So frustrated and it’s like, “Why is my heel hurting?” And I’m like, “Well, there’s probably 17 reasons.” But um, and so and so you know, can be really frustrating. And also when you feel like you’re doing all the right things and then you have pain, you’re kind of like them, “Then why am I doing all of this hard work if I’m not gonna be as healthy and young as I want to be?” And as soon as you mentioned how long you’ve been teaching group acts as like, “Oh my gosh, how are her knees doing? How her hips doing?” Because (Sue: Amazing) y’all like, back in the day, it was like I remember I was like 14 years old taking Jazzercise classes doing the grapevine with the step and all the stuff. (Lesley laughs)

Sue Hitzmann
That was my first certification was Jazzercise. Big shout out to the Jazzercise community.

Lesley Logan
Yes. But I mean, like, doesn’t matter how, how well you work out or how much you do. You’re like pain can come as you mentioned, it doesn’t, it doesn’t pick and choose, oh, these are the people will do it. It can be anybody. So I also love that you’re focused on self care because that people can do it for themselves. I feel like that’s so empowering. And especially for people who are in pain, to give them the opportunity to have a control over getting out of pain. Is that something that was like that, that was that part of how you created your method? Or was that something that you found along the way, making it about them?

Sue Hitzmann
It was, it’s both I mean, when I I was 28 years old again, I’ve been in the fitness industry forever. We’re going into the late 90s and I was at the peak of my fitness career at an international best selling bootcamp video. I was doing ESPN fitness and things like that. And much like what you said one day I woke up in the bottom of my foot hurt me. And it wasn’t like any pain I’d ever had. I’d sprained ankles, broken bones, you know, accidents had been, you know, had the flu and I know pain, right? And pain comes and goes but this pain was unusual. I didn’t have an identifiable source. And when the pain kind of erupted in my body and all of a sudden it was this body wide fatigue. I found myself in emotional distress. I sought after doctors and got MRIs and CAT scans and it started out as plantar fasciitis and it went all the way down the road of fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue or lupus and, you know, so in 28 you’re like seeing your entire life. Kind of saying, “Is this what my life is gonna be like? Am I gonna be in pain all the time?” And the only thing that doctors really had was medication. Even one doctor said, “You know what I think your problem is you’re depressed. Here’s some antidepressants.” And I was like, “Well, no crap, I’m depressed. I’m a fitness professional. I’m in pain, no pain, no gain. And wait a minute.” Right? So that really was the transition for me. And the good news for me was that in 1998, Google became a thing. And the first word I typed in was plant herbs fasciitis, because somebody had called it plantar fasciitis, and I kept thinking inflamed fascia. Could fascia be related to my pain problems? And if that’s the case, there’s no exercise for that. And as I learned about fascia, and understood its relationship to both pain and how the nervous system reacts. And it really sent me down a road to understanding the other aspects of my body that even with a master’s in exercise science, we didn’t really talk about fascia, or how it related to the nervous system, I really learned that much about the nervous system. Right. So that was my first transition. And then after, I’d been working with high performance athletes for the majority of my 20s, and when 911 happened, I was in New York City and the rude awakening of post traumatic stress disorder became a thing where all of a sudden, people coming into my practice, had no sustainable injuries, but had chronic pain symptoms. And it really made me look at the human body in a different way, saying, “My gosh, you know, physical pain from an accident can cause less prolonged pain than having emotional trauma that is consistently inundating your brain with these bad pathways and, and can really send you down a bad road.” And in 2002, a client who had chronic TMJ and migraines that I would treat with my hands, she’d leave and feel better for a week and not have a migraine. But she’d always come back because they keep coming back. And I said, “You know, it’s something in your environment.” And so her words were, “Well, if you could invent a way for me to do to myself that you do with your magic hands, I’d stay out of your office.” And I was like, “I don’t even know if that’s a thing. But I wonder if I could do that.” And so I just started playing around with rocks and balls and rollers. And I came up with this idea of taking pvc piping, I wrapped it in bubble wrap, I wrapped it in a yoga blanket and in a yoga mat, and I duct tape the thing together, and I started doing these compression techniques, just with the light, gentle touches of my hands. And I decompress my own neck. I knew I did it, I gave it to this gal. And sure enough, she got better, faster, stayed out of my office longer. And she said, “My husband’s got back pain. Do you think you could invent a way for him to work on his back pain?” I was like, “Let me try.” And it was just a exploratory time for me. And by 2004, I had helped thousands of people in New York City. And I thought, “Gosh, I’ve been in fitness for all this time. I wonder if I could keep people out of my office if I created this proactive way to learn these things before they had pain.” (Lesley: Yeah.) And I started teaching in group environments in 2004. And it was just an explosion. I mean, there were people lining out the door in the fitness realm trying to figure out what this was developing a language and trying to explain what fascia was, and, you know, created a language of it, wrote a book. And you know, now we’ve got thousands of instructors worldwide, who share the method and app and, you know, website and all this other stuff to continue to share the work outside of my practice.

Lesley Logan
It’s so cool. So first, there’s a couple things I want to unpack. One, I tell people all the time, like, listen to the questions you’re being asked, because they’re literally gonna guide you to the next thing, like someone is like, if you could, could you do this because and like, I also just love that you’re like, you weren’t, like, “Oh, if she ever comes back, I’m not gonna have a client.” You’re like, “I want people to be pain free. I want them out of my office.” So I really love that because it’s like, beyond an abundance mindset. And it’s also like helping people live a wonderful life, which is probably why you got into fitness anyways. So, but one thing we have to unpack before we go into other things, some people are going to want to know what fascia is. So, we can decide what fascia is and how could it cause this pain that people are feeling that might not have anything to do with a car accident.

Sue Hitzmann
Totally well, and before I even answered that, you know, when when she said that, I remember thinking, “Well, if I could invent a way I would be unemployed, nobody would come to see me.” I mean, I remember thinking it and then I just thought, “Well, maybe not.” And it did the opposite. You know, my practice exploded. I went from seeing 50 people a year to over 500. (Lesley: Yeah) Just by getting them out of the office. It gave me more time to see more people. (Lesley: Yeah) So what is fascia? Okay, so fascia is a stability system of your body under your skin. You have this three dimensional matrix primarily made up of collagen and fluids, which stabilizes, supports and protects everything in your body. It’s completely inseparable head to toe, skin to bones, the only system in the entire body that is completely continuous and has no separation to it at all. And what we know about connective tissue is it doing a lot of things for us, it keeps your skin lifted and toned. It gives you joint shock absorption, it keeps your muscles synergized and connected. But it’s also the system that supports protects every nerve blood vessel and cell in your body. So cells need a stable environment to communicate in and when the environment our cells don’t live in is unstable. This is another way to say we’re accelerating our aging process. It’s not just increasing your chances to pain, it is a primary factor to having dis-ease or disease. It is a system that is trying to stabilize you, regardless of your age activity level, or your mindset, right? It is just everybody has it. And what recent science is starting to understand is that daily living alters the fluid profusion in the connective tissue system. And that in turn, can alter the collagen matrix, it alters its ability to maintain stability, and that wreaks havoc on your nervous system, because of the neurological aspects of our body aren’t stable, you start getting symptoms that seem completely unrelated to like your muscles aching, or your back feeling stiff, it literally can alter your digestive behavior, your sleep issues, and just your overall sense of well being. So when I say fascia is the stability system of your body, I’m not just talking about structural stability, I’m talking about emotional, neurological, psychological, chemical, every aspect of stability that we could define, I could relate fascia to every single other system of your body because it is the system supporting all of the other systems in the body.

Lesley Logan
So here’s the like, of course, my brain goes, okay, so we have all these doctors who are like siloed, right? And you’ve got like issues, and they’re like looking at you like you’re a crazy person, because that was me with my issues. And like they’re like, “There’s nothing wrong with any all these things, are fine.” And it’s like now I’m going home. Maybe some of that probably was my fascia. (Lesley laughs) And like, you know what I mean, but like, people aren’t thinking, “Oh, I have a digestive issue. I should go look at my fascia as well.” You know what I mean? Like, it’s …

Sue Hitzmann
I do. (Lesley: You do.) I mean that that happened to me. I’m not kidding. I mean, I started out with plantar fasciitis and my entire, like, all of a sudden, my leg was bothering me, my jaw hurt, I was fatigued all the time. And then it was emotionally like I was really thinking, “I am, I am, I’m dying. (Lesley: Yeah) Like there’s something really wrong with me.” And and the thing about doctors is you’re right, doctors, are they, you know, thank goodness that we have doctors because we need them. And they are … practice but they don’t practice prevention. They practice cure. And you’re right, they silo. Right. If I’m going to be a neurologist, I’m going to know everything about the nervous system. But if you ask me about what foods to eat to maintain my weight, I’m like, “I don’t know, it’s not my thing.” Right. So they and most of them are smoking and they’re out of shape, too. So you know, you got to question their own lifestyles. I mean, how many times have you been to a doctor and you’re like, “You already fat out of shape person trying to tell me how to be healthy?” Is that really was what their trying to do.

Lesley Logan
Well, and their response, half the time to people with issues is to lose 10 pounds. And it’s like …

Sue Hitzmann
Okay, you should too. (Sue laughs) Okay, doctor …

Lesley Logan
… like how and also how and also should they? But I remember this is like a side note, I had a girlfriend going through jaw surgery, from the top doctors in the world. So he sees everything. And I watched him after her surgery, go out and have a cigarette and I’m like, “Dude, you’ve do surgery on people who have cancer from doing nicotine.” So anyway, we’re not knocking doctors, we’ve had some on here. I love them too. But it is it is … (Sue: We need them.) We need them. You’re correct.

Sue Hitzmann
But they do they are isolated in what they know. And for me, I started out again in the fitness industry, understanding about muscles and bones and how to stay fit and active. Right. How to be more muscularly toned? You know, I want my shoulders to look nice. I want to be fit. But I I think I formed a very early adopted belief that again, if you ate right, and you exercise that was the recipe to lead an active healthy life. (Lesley: Yeah. And that’s …) But by the time I got to 28, I’d made the cover of Muscle and Fitness magazine I had I had international videos, and I was in pain. (Lesley: Yeah.) And that destroyed my mindset. And so when I started learning about fascia, fascia, you know, when I was in school, it was considered a passive inert tissue. It was (Lesley: Yes) it was made up of nonliving matter. I remember hearing someone say this. Why would I have a nonliving matter in my body? Right. It’s confu… it’s confusing.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And that’s, I mean, I remember when I was studying, you know, can’t even remember because I switched degrees, but I was definitely in some sort of sports medicine thing we’re doing, you know, our whatever you call it, what you’re picking a part of body … (Sue: Anatomy?) Thank you. Anatomy, but also … (Sue: Dissection?) Yeah, yeah dissection. Thank you so much. If this is how long I’ve been out of college, everyone. I really loved, I really hated that class. But what you learn about fascia but they’re just like, “Okay, you just cut right through it.” Like …

Sue Hitzmann
I’d said, we would just, we would take the fascia and chuck it in the bucket to get to the good stuff. And I was doing exercise science. So I got those bodies after the medical students did. So it was already hacked apart. And that’s it as you get this idea that there are origins and insertions of muscles and you get this very piecemealed anatomy but that’s what anatomy is. Anatomy is the defa… the Latin root is to cut up, (Lesley: Yeah) to cut up to define things. And that’s valuable, right because if we take things up apart, we can then see the separation of things. But if we don’t then take a bigger step back and say, “Well, how did it all stay together? Oh, we chuck that stuff in the bucket. I guess we’ll get to it later.” Right? And you have to wonder what like, who was it when the salius or any of these other people were were doing dissections? Were they looking at it and had a student say, “What’s that? Packing material, and then kept going or something, that it became irrelevant. And the crazy thing about fascia it is the most abundant material in the entire body that’s been the least studied except for the last 25 years. (Lesley: Yeah) So we have learned more and it’s really because of technology and these incredible researchers who have really uncovered the cellular aspects of fascia, the deeper aspects of what the cells are that produce the collagen, the elastin, the reticular fibers, the hyaluronic acid, the interstitial fluids, we we understand the behavior. And in 2019, Karla Steckel one of the most well known researchers in the field, discovered a new cell in fascia, they’re now calling a fascia site. So think about that, right? We’re 2019 and we’re discovering new cells in the human body. So if people think that doctors know everything, it’s it’s not true. And anybody who calls themselves a fascia expert or a fascia guru, the if you if I sat with them, I would trump them on whatever they’re talking about, okay, because I feel like I know a lot about connective tissue. But what I can tell you is that we are just at the beginning of (Lesley: Yeah) understanding how important fascia is to your nervous system, to your lymphatic system, which is part of your immune functions to how your digestive behavior works, to hormones, to neurotransmitters, it’s all related to fascia.

Lesley Logan
So what, so I’m thinking about this in a couple ways. One, how do we get more people who are not necessarily like we’re still getting people to go lift weights and go do Pilates and go do like we’re still trying to get we’re still getting people to actually understand what the modalities of movement are out there are. How do we get them to even hear the word fascia and learn about it? And then the other thing is, is like, “Oh my gosh, is just the keys to the youth and making sure my college and looks good all of my … Should I avoid the doctor’s office.”

Sue Hitzmann
I’m in my 50s. Yeah, I’m in my 50s. Right. So I you know, I feel like for 50, anytime I’m with people, “They’re like you are not 50.” And so, “I’m gonna show you my license,” you know, and I mean, I’m well in my 50s now so the thing is, you can it fascia is kind of the fountain of youth within the body. And understanding how the fluid profusion of fascia adapts from daily living, is really the secret to uncovering how to keep cell proliferation going and to keep your body healthy on an internal level. And, and it is new science. But I feel like you know, when my book came out in 2013, I got on The Dr. Oz Show when he was super popular. And the book became a New York Times bestseller. And I went on this book tour around the country and up into Canada, and did 150 different events. And it was transformative. To both see the limited amount of knowledge people have and and how far we really have to go as a society to gain better health if the pharmaceutical industry is real, and and the food industry are very big, massive conglomerates that push down progressive science, progressive research, because there’s really not a pill that you can take to heal your fascia or anything. It really comes from daily self care. And the good news about treating connective tissue is it’s very easy to do. And you could just even start by treating your hands and feet, which takes less than 10 minutes a day. And that could help to alleviate compression and unnecessary tension in your neck and low back make you feel better. Because I can tell you, people who are inactive when you ask them why they’re inactive, because they’re tired, and they hurt. And they don’t have time. And I’m like time, pain and knowledge are what are hurting America and the world really, I mean, so we could we could do better for ourselves. But we have to seek outside of the norm to get that information. And I did that too. You know, again, I did 10 years, 12 years in fitness, and thought I was one of the smartest kids in the room. I was presenting all over the world doing stuff about anatomy and physiology and movement, behavior and biomechanics. And when I learned about fascia and understood it on a cellular level, I disappeared from the fitness industry because I was like, “My gosh, I’m teaching people things that aren’t true,” not that aren’t true, that are incomplete, that aren’t quite accurate. And I went four years down this rabbit hole to work with researchers to pull that information in and then to develop a technique that took that science and validated that we could do this without drugs, without surgeries and without expensive have tools or gadgets that just a soft roller and a couple of soft balls and a little bit of time and a little bit of awareness could transform your life.

Lesley Logan
And you know so because I mean, I’ve had the pleasure of of experience and understanding it and this house has balls around all the place like these little foot rollers. Brad’s like the doctor, the chiropractor said, I need to like, massage my foot. I’m like, open up the Cadillac, everyone has my Cadillac hasn’t been has like a treasure box, and I’m like opened up. There’s like 17 things for your feet in there. (Sue: Right. Pick one.) Pick one and you can you can you can, you can do all things. So but here’s, here’s for the cynic, right because I there’s people like I think people think has to be harder than that. I think people think it has to be you know what I mean? They’re like, “I have to be able to go have an hour and a half massage, or it needs I need to be in a foam roller with my IT ban.”

Sue Hitzmann
Ironing yourself like a shirt. That’s the thing that you know, a tool is just a tool, right? If I put a hammer in somebody’s hand who is trying to they might be able to flip the pancake with it, but it’s the wrong tool. And if I don’t teach somebody how to use a hammer, they could hurt themselves, right? (Lesley: Right) So just because you use a tool or you watch some you know, athlete who says, “This trigger thing, I’m gonna jam it into my leg and it’s gonna be I’m gonna become one with the universe because my leg is gonna work but I’m gonna become a better athlete.” You know, we buy into crap and and media and the way we’re taking information in there is a lot of experts out there a lot of gurus a lot of really smart people, apparently, who can kind of tell people that they know things. But when you look at the legacy of what they’ve done, or what they’re really talking about, it’s it’s marketing, they’re just (Lesley: Yeah) marketing something and I get I mean, like, look, I run a business too. I’m the owner and founder of longevity fitness. I have people who work for me, we are on social media, we do have a marketing campaign, we just created a new website, it all costs money, right? So you have to make money. But but when I was first coming out with this idea, to try to share it with people, I mean, for me, I just wanted to help people, but you have to make money to get people to help you to help other people. It’s not for free. And people are like, “Oh, yeah, you can just do things free on YouTube.” And I’m like, “Yeah, but who’s gonna know that I’m out there. Unless I have search engine telling. And I buying ads, and I’m buying key terms.” And like, you don’t know how Google works then, right? So we can shun people who have products that they’re trying to sell. And now you have every gadget. But this is what I think separates MELT from other things is that it is an education. It’s a it’s a methodology, there is a systematic process to it. Anybody can do this, it does not matter how old you are, what your pain points are, it just doesn’t matter, you everybody has healing cells within them, they are called fibroblasts, and they can specialize themselves for whatever the thing is, that’s healing, or that’s hurting you. If you strain a muscle that turn into myofibroblasts, you cut your skin right? What pulls the skin together, not your mind, your fascia does that right? This, these cells bring it together. So I don’t need to, you know, sell something to anybody. This is just a known fact. And anybody (Lesley: Yeah) who doesn’t believe that they have the potential to heal within themselves, is actually failing to recognize that now they’re a victim of their own body. Because when we have to (Lesley: Yeah) seek outside of ourselves to heal our problems, we’re already one step away from getting there. If I have to always rely on my therapist, I always have to rely on my doctor on whatever it is. But the tool that I have, it limits my ability to just become more aware of what’s going on inside my body. And (Lesley: Yeah) like I said, at the beginning, your emotional state, the way you think your brain is anticipating how you want to move, how you want to be because of your history, because of habit, (Lesley: Yeah) because of gestures. Right? So our brain is merely just anticipating how we want to move to get through life. And if you’re moving with compensatory patterns, it just thinks that that’s the way you want to do it. So it’s our job to go in and recognize or learn what is compensation and how can I identify common imbalances in my body that many people possess that are left unaddressed, so that I can start to address them in perhaps feel better? That’s the thing that is separate, I think of MELT compared to a lot of things where they’re just like, buy this tool and do this thing. And there’s pictures and I’m gonna jam it here and I’m gonna roll it there. You know, fascia in your body is a sensitive system. And I think we need to learn to sense and feel ourselves in a more gentle way before we just have at it. (Lesley: Yeah.) And that’s how you we start is just gentle.

Lesley Logan
I think that’s, yeah, it’s like, it’s like getting through to people that it doesn’t have to be a 17 other things that you get. I have a fascia person and coaching group agencies speaking of like the agency that you don’t have to go outward, everything is in you. And she was so frustrated like Lesley, she’s like, “I’m really frustrated because this company that I have trained with with something else, they’re selling all these tools for fascia, and they’re charging all this money.” She’s like, “You don’t even need that, you can use cardboard, like, you don’t even need that.” I’m like, “I know, all of you fascia people have to start telling people that what they’re being marketed to it.” Like, we have like their has, there has to be a draw line in the sand like that is actually that’s not what you need everyone, like, here’s what it is. And I think it’s just getting that word out there. But it also, you know, the other hard part, and the thing that I, that I love about what you’re talking about is, it’s getting people to be curious about their own bodies, and, and have an have the willingness, have a different belief system around what they’re capable of, and what they need, right. And that, that, like, you know, as you’re, as you’re talking, like, you know, we have people here who have these dreams, have these aspirations and can’t take the next step or get stuck on the next step. And, and it’s, you know, I really think it’s their mindset that’s keeping them stuck. And it’s like, “I’m stuck.” So then their brains like, “We’re stuck.”

Sue Hitzmann
Oh, well, I missed it lol. Right. And well, then that’s it, most people, when they feel stuck, what their brain is doing is it’s going back to a past memory about something that they tried and failed. And to me, you’re not getting ahead, if you don’t fail. I mean, I failed so many times, fraud, all sorts of stuff, you know, I I like I could make a list of, well, that wasn’t a good idea. But if if what you do is constantly realize that you’re mostly functioning the past, or you’re fearing the future, because you don’t have the tools. But then again, you’re not like I always say, “Well, what steps are you taking today to gain those tools so that you can have the things that you want tomorrow?” And they’re like, “Oh, well, I don’t know, what am I doing?” Right? You know, so we’re not present. And the only way that you can really transform your future is by realizing that nothing happens in the past. You can’t fix it. And nothing is happening there. It’s over. And it’s done. The only thing that’s important is what you’re doing right at this very moment. And the thought process that you have right now, and coming to this place where you realize, “Am I present? Or am I not?” And you might actually realize that you’re reacting to something that’s coming at you, not because of what’s coming at you, but because your brain has actually experienced this before, right. So the way that the brain works is when danger or information is incoming, your brain is actually going through a process going well have we seen this before? Is this something familiar, and a brain is going through the file cabinet going, “Ah, that’s what we’re going to do, because that’s what happened before.” And whether it’s a relationship or it’s, uh, it’s, you know, trying to get a new job, we have fear around it, and fear will stop you in your tracks. Because the opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is fear. And when we act in fear, we mess stuff up, if you act in love, and I mean that for yourself, I’m loving myself, and I’m doing these things to nurture myself so that I can have a better future, everything will go better, because you’re putting that positive energy out there. And that stuff is real. When you are grumpy and negative in the morning and something goes wrong and how you know, you walk out the door that way and everything will go wrong. Every everybody’s working to slow traffic is terrible. Everything (Lesley: That’s happened to me last night) smells …

Lesley Logan
I was I had like, we had some bad news and I was super pissed. And then the dog’s collar wouldn’t work. And then I got out the door. (Sue: Right) And then this guy yells at me. And then this other person has four dogs barking and I was like, oh, and then I like got across the street and I was like this whole walk can go continue to go the way it’s going. Like we’re just going to come across like 17 more things. Or I can take a couple deep breaths. I could put a new song on and we could have a whole different walk experience and it got so much better. And when I had to come back around to that house four dogs barking and the guy was just sitting there let his dogs bark, they were gone … So you know, it’s like, it’s like whether or not I manifested them leaving or not doesn’t matter. It’s like you it’s you whatever you’re going through, whatever your emotions are, your brain’s gonna seek out all the things to go yep, you’re having a really bad day. Here it keeps going. (Sue: Totally) Well this is, I mean Sue you’re you’re such a wealth of knowledge and I really I feel like our listeners are going to be eager to hear how they can cure themselves and work on their fascia. So in a quick break, we’ll come back and find out where they can dive in on their own bodies.

Okay, so where can people find you, follow you learn about fascia with you? What you got?

Sue Hitzmann
Okay, so they can go to meltmethod.com and you can find all about MELT and find our streaming platform MELT On Demand where you can take live classes with me. There’s 300 different videos on pain, performance and lifestyle. You can also find us at @meltmethod on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, we’re there everywhere.

Lesley Logan
Amazing. Okay, super excited Brad’s going to be doing that … (Lesley laughs)

Sue Hitzmann
And YouTube also, for those of you who are like saying, “I don’t want another product,” go to YouTube and type in MELT Method. And there’s a whole bunch of do it yourself where even if you don’t have the MELT products, you can still learn how to do some of the techniques. You don’t need the product.

Lesley Logan
Amazing. Amazing. Okay, so bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted steps things people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?

Sue Hitzmann
Okay, so this would be my suggestion to anybody is to write down on a piece of paper, “What I’m really wanting to enhance my life is?” And answer the question and then try to seek out things that elevate you. Whether that be, you know, really talking to inspiring friends, stop looking at the trash talk on your social media pages, scroll on and past it. And really start to realize, “Am I, am I living in the present moment or not?” And in this present moment, “Am I doing things that are healthy and good for me? Am I sipping water frequently? Am I eating water filled foods? Am I getting out into nature? Do I have positive affirmations?” Do you call somebody every once in a while and just call somebody out of the blue and say, “I love you. And here’s why.” Right? So bring positivity into your life and try to find those things that elevate you and you will start to realize that you need to take specific actions to get you to that next place but you’ve got to be as present as possible to make it happen and don’t let the past be the thing that limits you on what you could really do in the future.

Lesley Logan
Oh my goodness, that, that was amazing. I’m in love with all of those. I really am, something that I really love y’all is to just text people randomly that I love them or I miss them and it’s (Sue: Yeah) and you know what’s so fun is that they, it really it always comes at the right time for them. So thank you for mentioning that because that is that is key for being present. It’s also key for putting out in the world what you want back into it. So Sue Hitzmann, MELT Method. Oh my gosh, I’m so glad we got to meet this way. I’m sure I’m sure randomly our paths have crossed at different conferences and things like that but I’m glad I get to see you in person at Idea. And everybody how are you going to use these BE IT action items in your life? Tag the @meltmethod, so Sue can see them and tag @be_it_pod so we can see them and let us know and do us a favor, share this with someone because if you are inspired by this if you’re like, “Oh my gosh my fascia could be in charge all these things.” Think about the family members that you have who don’t have access to something like this. Just share the episode so that they can be informed. And until next time everyone, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast! One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the @be_it_pod on Instagram! I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.

Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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