From Overwhelm

to Acceptance

Ep. 251 with Lesley & Brad

“You can have passion and purpose that are expressed in different ways.”

Lesley Logan

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Show Notes

Overwhelm or overload? Brad and Lesley break down Sunitha Sandeep’s approach to understanding life’s pressures. Discover the difference and find your path to acceptance. Through personal anecdotes and expert insights, they offer a roadmap to navigating life’s most challenging moments.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Why doing something solely for money can kill your passion for it.
  • How passion and purpose can be expressed in multiple ways.
  • The difference between “being” versus “doing”.
  • Why feeling overloaded is different from feeling overwhelmed.
  • How a change of environment can help you get past feeling stuck.
  • The positive results of changing your definition of a win.

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Lesley Logan: Because for the first time in my life, there’s so much possibility for me because I’m not stuck on what was done to me. Yeah, I am literally in a place where I can make change. I can make decisions, I can make different things happen. And I made it a point to do everything differently based on accepting where I exist. I was in that moment.


Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.


Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the harmoniously profound convo I had with Sunitha Sandeep.

I just want to say I said it very well, in our last episode, if you haven’t yet, listen to this interview, to that interview, this interview, whatever. Feel free to pause this now go back and listen that one and then come back and join us. Sorry, my brain was thinking about, like, if there’s a speech therapist who listened to this podcast, or probably like this girl, just want you to know, I did speech therapy. It’s gotten a lot better. You should have heard it before. Thank you, I had a lot of like permanent teeth removed. I have a very small mouth and a big tongue. It’s like, it’s everything. I do not have a list. Okay, so we’re working on it.

Brad Crowell 7:05
Anyways, okay. Well, I’ve

Lesley Logan 7:07
Well, I’ve been to speech therapy. And I just can tell sometimes I can’t get some of those sounds together. So thanks for the people who put words together. I’m like, well, here we go. Today is August 17, national nonprofit day. So go support your favorite nonprofit. If you don’t have one, I’ve got two for you. I actually have a few for you. So Bloom organization helps and what girls who have been bullied, handle how to handle that bullying and also prepare them to like understand have empathy for bullies that are out there and rise above that.

Brad Crowell 7:40
Now we support Bloom with OPC.

Lesley Logan 7:42
Yes. And then the cupcake girls are doing some badass shit when it comes to sex workers rights and support. And also that involves actually supporting people human traffic because human trafficking exists. Because the reality is we make sex work illegal, and then pimps get involved and shit happen. So go check out the cupcake girls and really understand that kind of work. I think it’s going to really change your mind around how sex work exists, why it exists, and how we can be more kind and loving to those in that industry.

Brad Crowell 8:20
We support the cupcake girls with Profitable Pilates.

Lesley Logan 8:22
Yes, we do. And they’re just doing some awesome stuff. So shout out to both of those. However, if you’re like, Well, what about the homeless Lesley? Hungry? Remember hung? What was the one in LA? It’s just left my mind.

Brad Crowell 8:39

Lesley Logan 8:41
No, it was it was lunch on me, lunch on me.

Brad Crowell 8:45
It’s an LA based one, but they have (…)

Lesley Logan 8:48
They have more locations and they’re doing some really great work. I really love them. people’s concern does work with homeless communities. If you have

Brad Crowell 8:56
If you have a if you have a favorite charity, you know, today’s national nonprofit day. Yeah. So support your local nonprofits.

Lesley Logan 9:03
And we’ll post this on Instagram, as well. So just like this episode, just like toss your favorite nonprofits in there because we’re always looking for different nonprofits to support so yeah, I love to explore. And then we are still on tour…(Brad: We’re still on tour right now.) Thanks. Balance body. We’re still on tour. Yeah. We are currently in Idaho.

Brad Crowell 9:24
17th. Yeah, we just finished Spokane. We’re in Idaho, and we’re gonna be heading to Whitefish in two days.

Lesley Logan 9:30
We’re just hanging out. So there’s no class. You’re not missing anything. My Idaho wins. I love you. But we’ll be in Whitefish. Hi, Delia. In a couple days I’ll be in Salt Lake. And then we’ll city and Utah and they’ll be in St. George Utah. And I just love how often we get to go to St. George because there’s just a favorite little cafe that I love to hit up and I’m like, they’re just so great. I’m so and that then I come home for like seven maybe not even days and I’m in Poland. So you can take privates with me there you can some take some workshops. with me there I am bringing some flashcards there. I don’t know that’ll be in Poland next year you all, so this is like this is it for a bit, then we’ll come back. And literally a couple days later rock our seven day Coaching Program Agency MINI of Profitable Pilates program. It’s our ninth iteration of this program. So it’s just like a ninth edition I should say edition. And we it is a really awesome one. So you’re gonna want to make sure you go to

Brad Crowell 10:26
If you are on the waitlist, at this point, it’s available. So jump in, yeah, jump in.

Lesley Logan 10:33
And then we wrap it up, hang tight for a couple weeks hanging out with our Agency peeps, our OPC peeps plan some stuff. And then we go to Cambodia, which some of you I’ve just found out, I just heard that we’re doing Cambodia, so hi we’re going to Cambodia. I’m super excited about that. And then you can go to November, at the time that we’re recording this, we’re still working on the details, it’s possible that those details have like manifested themselves. So you know, if you are curious, go take a look at what we’ve got going on. And then December, we’re back on the road for our winter tour, which we don’t have all the details yet. But don’t worry. By September, we will have a lot of things locked and loaded. So my dear before we go on to Sunitha. What is our audience question?

Brad Crowell 11:19
Yeah. So today, we had a double header here. What are your favorite things to take on tour? And what are the things you miss the most about home while you’re on the road?

Lesley Logan 11:30
Yeah, so this is super fun. Because obviously, we are on tour right now and people are like, because it’s a long time to be on the road. And we are living out of our van. So obviously we’re missing some things. So Babe, what are you missing?

Brad Crowell 11:45
Well, I’m gonna cleverly answer one thing for both questions. And that is the dogs.

Lesley Logan 11:51
We take the dogs when we can and we miss the dog. And we can’t That’s right. Yes,

Brad Crowell 11:55
yeah. Or that and also, I miss our latte machine. Yeah, yeah, I do miss that.

Lesley Logan 12:02
I’m still trying to figure out how that’s coming on the road with us being recorded. I have high hopes for this. But it’s, it is possible. It is not with us and we are stopping at random random places. But that’s what makes it that’s also what’s so fun on the road except for West Texas. You got to get it together. I’m just going to call you out right now. Also, West Kansas, East Colorado. You all need new latte places. I’m just saying it. Okay, but we do like our latte machine, but I’m working on it. I don’t want to piss people off. But I’m just gonna say it’s a lot of cows or fields that could have them and there’s no milk. There’s no lattes. So anyways, I will say my favorite things to take on the tour. Obviously, I love to take the dogs when we can take the dogs it really (…) it’s so fun. I hate leaving them behind Bayon looks at me every time I leave the house and I’m like I found you. I found you. I did not figure this out. But I also I miss my red light therapy. I miss my (…) I miss the equipment because sometimes I’ll take a when a chair or a former or a spine corrector so when we can take those things and I can actually take them out and do them I feel really great. But like on this tour it’s not like we can just like unload equipment everywhere we’re going we’re like literally sleeping in a parking lot so I am missing like access to my studio whenever I want it. I also will say this I do when I’m on more out on the road. I actually sleep really well. We don’t have the dogs sleep really good. When we’re on the road with the dog I sleep better than when I’m at the house. Because they don’t get up in the car. They stay there they have nowhere to go so they sleep better in the moment. We should sit with them now with the dogs like maybe that’s the thing. Anyways, other things that I love to take on tours or traveling I should say I have a sensate. We actually have a discount code for the sensate I haven’t created an ad for it yet but I take my sensate it helps me fall asleep whenever I need to. It’s just really calming. And it’s just like a little thing you lay on your chest and just helps like your vagus nerve and I just love taking that when I travel. And that’s why I miss my red light therapy and my (…) mat because sometimes I use my sensate with both of those things. I also miss our cactuses I miss our backyard. I was thinking about that I miss our I actually miss our regular schedule. I love going to the gym at the casino. I think it’s fabulous. I think it’s so fun. I love our people we work out with so of course I missed those people. And I miss our house and our bed. So I missed a lot of things we’re on the road I’m really honest. I missed convenience for sure. But to take on the tour, I do think work and equipment can sensate I take I take any work and equipment I might need or I get a gym membership and those things and then it’s Oh chocolate collagen and AG1. AG1 for the win. They’re also a sponsor of the podcast. So put the link below. But that if I can have AG1 in the morning, so my chocolate called in my latte at some place that has oat milk, and my sensei feels and I can get some steps and I feel like we’re good. We’re good to go.

Brad Crowell 15:15
I love it. Okay.

Lesley Logan 15:16
Anyways, thanks for those questions. You can send your questions in to the Be It pod. We love answering them. It’s kind of fun to think about, like, what is our favorite thing? So thank you.

Brad Crowell 15:40
Okay, now let’s talk about Sunitha Sandeep. Sunitha is a thought provoking transformational coach who helps women find their authentic selves, guiding them towards mindful awareness, acceptance, and a deep sense of balance. Sunitha was it was really interesting to hear. You know how she works with people. She was talking a lot about the somatic.

Lesley Logan 16:07
Yeah, third somatic person. Cymatics are like the thing.

Brad Crowell 16:12
Yeah, well, also, I think when you, I think that this whole conversation about overload and overwhelm, and how it’s connected to Cymatics. I thought it was really interesting. You know, like, I don’t think I ever even heard of Cymatics until like a year ago. So

Lesley Logan 16:30
I know, two good friends who are like very famous, amazing Cymatics people, but I, you already I can’t talk about what I love. Like I love some of you love but we’ll talk about in a second. So I’m going to ask really quick. She said, she talked a little about your livelihood doesn’t equate to your passion and purpose. And I thought this was really interesting, because there’s so many people out there that are like, what did you love as a child? That’s what you want to do as an adult? Or like, like all…

Brad Crowell 16:57
What are you passionate about, you should do that, you should ge paid for it.

Lesley Logan 17:00
And like, she said, it works for some people. But it doesn’t have to work for everybody. And I couldn’t fucking agree more.

Brad Crowell 17:08
Yeah, I’m, I mean, I’ve talked about this before, a couple of episodes ago, where, you know, when I was younger, I thought I will do whatever it takes to do a job to get paid the money I want to get paid so that I can do the things that I want to do. And the example I gave was, I would shuffle shit from one corner of the barn to the other corner of the barn, if that was what brought in the money. And at the time, I said, I don’t, I’m not in on that. And I’m still not in on that. But I also think that you know, doing something that you’re passionate about can actually destroy your passion for it if you’re doing it for the money, right?

Lesley Logan 17:50
Well, that’s like, hello, read the Book of Big Magic. Like a lot of people you see making money off of a talent or a gift or a passion that they have. They didn’t start out trying to make it make money.

Brad Crowell 18:06
That’s right.

Lesley Logan 18:07
They like the woman who wrote Big Magic. Eat, Pray Love. Her name is coming to me. I’m sorry, guys. You’re shouting at me, as you’re driving, and Elizabeth Gilbert. Wow. So she was like, she did not actually give up her job as a professor at a university. Even after Eat Pray Love (…). She didn’t give it up until after she like, even after she sold it to a movie. Like she did not give it up until she knew that like she wouldn’t have to stress her gift, her passion to make money she like it would be okay. And I loved her doing. I loved her sharing that because I think it’s so easy for us to think oh my god, I read a book and I saw it as a novel. And then it’s this thing. And I actually taught another national best selling author and I watched her. I had to see her negotiate that she loves what she does. And also there’s all these demands that come with it. And like it’s this thing. So Sunitha said, like, Oh, I’m passionate about dancing, so I need to dance. And she said, No, you’re passionate about expressing. And dance is just one form of it. You can express it anywhere. And I loved that as well. Because what if you injure yourself? And then you’re like, oh my god, I can’t dance anymore. So I’m nothing.

Brad Crowell 19:21
And it well, also, I think she said that, 100% there, you know, you could hurt yourself. But she also said that your passion changes throughout your life. Yeah. So if you’ve locked yourself in on this thing, because you’re passionate about it, what happens in five years when you’re not as passionate about it? I mean, this I feel like this happened for me with music. What I realized is that actually what I’m passionate about are people and building relationships and, and the puzzle, I’m passionate about puzzles. The puzzle of building a business, building a company was a similar puzzle as music, but I thought that like music was the the end all be all, and I have to be doing that. And I, you know, and but my, my. So I went literally all 100% towards music. And after 10 years of pursuing that, I began realized, like, I don’t necessarily need to be doing music. As much as I love the act of doing music, I actually need to be building relationships, and I need to be solving puzzles. And that’s when, you know, and that was, that was not really clear to me at the time.

Lesley Logan 20:28
Yeah. So I think it’s just like, she, I just really enjoyed how she talked about that. Because I do think we put a lot of pressure on like, what’s my passion, what’s my purpose. And like, I just keep coming back to like, there are plumbers in Boston making a million dollars. I am not sure that all of them were like, I’m so passionate. Plumbing is my purpose. Right? But they are successful plumbers. And they are doing something. And so it’s, I just think it’s, I think she says it’s a problem that we have for this passion, to figure out our passion and our purpose, because that’s what we’re supposed to do for a living. No, you can do a lot of things for a living. And then you can have passion and purpose that are expressed in different ways I put so much pressure, I find myself like when I’m around like a teenager, I’m like, okay, so what do I talk to them about? Because I definitely don’t ask them like, what do you want to be when you grow up? Because I fucking questions terrible. It’s too soon, we should really be letting people explore, like, what excites them, and showing them all the ways that that thing that excites them can be expressed in multiple different ways, not just through dance. Yeah, not just through whatever it is.

Brad Crowell 21:41
I think her ultimate point about this was about being versus doing…(Lesley: Oh, you are correct). You know, we end up doing because we think, Oh, I’m passionate about this, I’m gonna go do this thing. And she her argument here is what if you be the thing instead of do the thing?…(Lesley: Well, I mean, hello.) And it’s possible for them to overlap. But they don’t necessarily have to.

Lesley Logan 22:09
Yeah. Yeah. So while you’re being until you see it, if you I listen to podcast. That’s right. Oh, please. I mean, it’s why I have run. Okay. What did you love?

Brad Crowell 22:19
Alright, I thought this was really profound here. so profound.

Lesley Logan 22:23
Hold on, take your notepads out, pull over.

Brad Crowell 22:27
Pull over, hold the phone. Okay, so we’ve all experienced overwhelm, right? Where you just like completely, just shut down. You want to bury your head in the sand, you’re all the things. And she said, Hey, there’s a, there’s a very different… Well, there’s a distinction as a better way to say between being overloaded and being overwhelmed. And she said that being overloaded was basically you have too much on your plate, you got too many tasks, too many things you got, you can’t you have so much, you can’t even keep it on your head, as opposed to being overwhelmed, which is an internal state that persists regardless of the situation that you’re in. And the example that she gave on that was, well, I want a vacation and I came back, I still feel terrible. That’s overwhelmed. As opposed to you know, like, in the moment, there’s too much to do right now to prepare for the thing that’s overloaded. Yeah, you know, and I thought, wow, that’s really interesting. I think we often misconstrue the two where we feel I’m overwhelmed. But maybe you’re actually overloaded. And once this, whatever it is that’s happening passes, you’re actually (…)

Lesley Logan 23:38
I also think that burnout gets titled for both of these. So I like talking about the agency members, when they take a couple days off, like I feel better, I took a break. I said, Congratulations. You are just overloaded, you have too many tasks. So let’s do this. What can we take off the plate right now? Like you took a couple days off, like, what can just be pushed to a different deadline. But if they take a couple days off, and they’re like, I’m still burned out, then it’s an overwhelm. And that’s a couple things like, that is how you are internalizing. And she said, how are you handling stress? If you’re someone who thinks that, like if you take a break, everything’s gonna crumble. That is a state of being as she said, like we this is where you actually do want to consider some sort of like somatic therapy or therapy in general, redefining how you actually engage with your work and the people around you. Because when we go on vacation, oh my god, as soon as we’re on the fucking plane, I’m like, Ah, and I always feel great about like, Okay, I just a little overloaded, good. But if I can’t get my mind to turn off, I’m like, Oh, I’m stepping back into some old patterns that I have wanted to let go, what’s going on and like it’s a sign for me that I have some work to do.

Brad Crowell 24:59
Hmm, yeah, she I mean, she actually talks about people who feel stuck, and how they, how do you move past feeling stuck? Because it’s easy to say this. But, you know, I think one thing you pointed out, which I thought was great was you’re like, Well, that sounds so lovely to just like, not be overwhelmed and not be overloaded anymore. But I still have all the fucking things that I got to do in life. And it’s not like they’re going to stop. You know, she said, yeah, people often feel stuck. And how do you move through that? How do you pass feel like stuck. And she said, it could involve adjusting your environment, because we may associate negativity and trauma with environment. Also, with PTSD, it’s, you know, like can also be, you know, changing your environment can be beneficial in that. And she said, a little bit of neutralizing in that, and that will give you a better foundation to build from moving forward. So sometimes that could be a vacation actually. Because you’re not in your consistent like routine.

Lesley Logan 26:08
You know how good I got at being not overloaded. So Saturday, when you call me and you’re like, Hey, babe, are you on your way to the airport? I said, Yeah, I’m gonna have a (…). And you’re like, you should be at the airport now. And I was like, Oh, I got so relaxed. Yeah, I’m so why’d you call? I really would have missed that flight. I think like, Y’all, if you normally listen the recaps, and then decide what to listen to. I’m going to be really honest. She has a TED Talk. This girl is a girl. She’s human. She is really sharp. She explained things away. I gave her some really like I did. I felt like I have no clue what the hell we’re doing. Now. If we like something like, what are we going to do here I saw that she had to do and she really had a great way of handling that. And I feel like I have always wanted to know. And this interview I did this month ago, and I have been so impacted by a change my whole way of understanding my own life. The things I’m doing, I was like, wow, I found a therapy session. So I feel good about it. I think you should check out her shit.

Brad Crowell 27:16
Yeah, I mean, she has a program. She’s a coach. She’s an executive coach. And she works you know, I guess you don’t have to be executive to do it. But she has a program with the pillars of awake A W A K E, which the stands for awake awareness within action, kindling and engagement. And if you’re interested in her process, you can listen to the last episode, where she does explain kind of each step obviously not like the nuances of each step. That’s why you would work with her but like the over the bigger picture review of what those steps are,

Lesley Logan 27:50
I mean, I got so much out of just the interview.

Brad Crowell 27:53
Yeah, I mean, she, her her help. Her purpose is to help you connect more with your authentic self because we ended up just getting busy with life and commitments. And like we talked about yeses and noes, you know, in last episode, and so the you know, she helps you dig through that connect more to yourself and then decide, you know, how do you how do you enjoy life more, you know?

All right. Let’s talk about those Be It action items what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items. Can you take away from your combo with Sunitha Sundeep? She said go through the path of acceptance that the number one starts from acceptance period. And this was interesting. It’s because out of context, that sounds a little strange. But basically, in order for us to move forward from being stuck in the thing that we are overwhelmed. overload, I guess it would be overwhelmed really, because overload is like short term, it’s, it seems like in order to move, you have to accept where you are. And that is a hard thing is to accept where we are, okay, this thing is out of my control, and it’s happening and I have to do the things to whatever, but when you accept your current state, it helps you mentally, emotionally, and somatically.

Lesley Logan 29:24
Oh, 1,000% 10 years ago, when I was homeless, and then I totaled my car leaving that house that I was no longer living and then the studio call to like, chain none of this happened the same day guy that kind of like happened over a few weeks. At any rate, I just remember going okay. Okay, I’m not gonna blame anyone. I get it. I’m accepting that I’m in this place. I somehow made decisions that got me here. And so what do I do next? And it was the fucking best thing in my life. People literally thought I was a lunatic when you do this, people are gonna say you are crazy person, you guys, like my friends were like, are you okay? I’m like, I’m phenomenal. Because for the first time in my life, there’s so much possibility for me because I’m not stuck on what was done to me. Yeah, I am literally in a place where I can make change. I can make decisions, I can make different things happen. And I made it a point to do everything differently based on accepting where I exist. I was in that moment, not making excuses, just like this is where I am. What can I get where I am, I’m part of this and it changed. I had you guys I was fucking couchsurfing. And I had the best days of my life. People were straight, like very worried. And I was like, you be worried. I’m not worried like it was. It’s the best thing if that’s all you take from this, it’s like, except where you are, like, really truly see what happens when you just do it for one day.

Brad Crowell 30:51
Yeah, and it’s not easy to do. No, you know, but when you when you can, and when you do that. You know, and you actually take a step and look, look at yourself from the side, it leads to awakeness, okay, which is her A W A K E, her process. So, you know, it helps you, it’s going to help you like reevaluate things and find a different path.

Lesley Logan 31:18
And just really quick, it’s also not easy to be doing the life you’re doing if you’re feeling stuck.

Brad Crowell 31:23
That is very true. And I think I think we keep doing the things that we’re doing even if they may be detrimental to us because we feel safe with what we know and (…)

Lesley Logan 31:36

Brad Crowell 31:37
All right. What about you?

Lesley Logan 31:40
I wouldn’t mean with all love, okay? So of course, need to shift she emphasized need to shift definition of success and wins. Listen to FYF people I promise you every Friday, when we that’s tomorrow, when this episode comes out, it’s the next day. I share people’s wins. Some of them are huge. And some of them are like little like I told someone No, today, I freaked out a little bit, but I didn’t back down. You have to redefine your definition of a win. Yeah, you have to redefine it and have success and you know, it’s kind of crazy. It’s like, I, I hate like, what is your definition of success? I’m like, I’m living it. So like, why don’t you ask me why I’m successful? Because I am. And some of you are some of us because we’ve been trained, like, what’s your definite success as if you’re never gonna reach it till you retire. And the truth is, you may have already but you haven’t taken the time to understand the wins you’ve made. And so like I of course, there’s changes I want to make, those are things I want to do. There’s still some things I want us to have and with our business and the impact we want to make, but we’re very fucking successful right now. Because I’ve changed the definition of what success looks like. So do that. And then there’s a couple things. She encouraged us to see the act of trying itself as a win. Yes, yeah. Sorry, Yoda. You’re wrong. And I all my all my Star Wars people. Katie don’t hurt me. We love Rachel, I love you. Who else I’ve apologized to?

Brad Crowell 33:07
Well, you know, I think this goes to habit building too. You know, like, even if you attempted the thing, but you didn’t do the thing. You still attempted the thing.

Lesley Logan 33:15
If you remember the thing, right? That you want to do. It’s a win is a win. The shift that needs to happen is it’s a win. It is because I tried. So win because I tried. So I, I hope that you we really need to come up with a journal paper. Meredith, we need a journal. We need a wins journal. So our listeners can have a winning journal and that every day they can just write a win of the day down. Maybe the win is You didn’t forget on yourself. Maybe the win is that you hit traffic and you didn’t yell the car next to you. I don’t care what the winners, we have to start acknowledging on all the wins that are happening because there is this happens in aÁgency somebody rose posted like a rant and it was totally fine. Like whoever will listen I’m like, absolutely as was for and then I went to the wins channel, and they had not posted and I had to go back and say illegal. Illegal. I’d say thank you so much for sharing this. You gotta go post a win, because not everything is shit. Thanks. And she did. And it was a great win. But it’s so important that you understand that the universe is balanced. It really is. But if you focus on your wins, you see them everywhere. It’s like I when I focus on desert flowers, I see different flowers everywhere, everywhere. Anyways, I’m Lesley Logan,

Brad Crowell 34:34
and I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 34:35
Thank you so much for listening. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Are you ready to redifine success for yourself? I hope so. Let us know what your new definition is by dragging the Be It pod, tag Sunitha and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 34:46
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan
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Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘Bloom Podcast Network’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velasquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell
Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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