What You Do
When “Life Lifes”?
Ep. 88 with Lesley & Brad
“Life is uncertain and change is inevitable.”
Clarity leads to confidence. Clarity leads to process. Laugh along with Brad and LL as they talk about clarity and how to find it amidst life’s changes.
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In this episode you will learn about:
- How to begin in the collaborating world
- Soul mapping and tracking your improvements
- “Life Lifes” and how you deal with the change
- Getting clarity to move forward
- Recognizing why you are hurrying to relax and prioritize.
- Retreat: profitablepilates.com/retreat
Lesley Logan 0:01
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.
Lesley Logan 0:47
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co hosts in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the abundant convo I have with Tori Gordon in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened that episode, stop this now, go back and listen to that, or listen to this and then go listen to that. Or, you know, listen to some and then some of the other, whatever you want to do. If you do you, this is the life that you’re being it till you see it. So have fun and just see how it goes. Well, we are really close to The WE+LLthy Mindset with Erika Quest kicking off. And (Brad: Oh yeah) I’m really excited because this is something we only do annually. So it’s like we work on it for a year. (Brad: Yeah) Percolates, sits there, she and I work on it for a year and then we do it. So I’m just really excited to actually like do the thing. But then I’m gonna have sadness, because then we’re done with the thing. So anyways, that kicks off soon. And, Brad, isn’t it so exciting, our retreat doors are open… (Brad: To the public. Yeah) For the for the fitness business studio owner and teacher (Brad: Yeah) retreat.
Brad Crowell 1:45
So this is Profitable Pilates, if you are running a fitness business and you’re feeling stuck, or you feeling like you’re just kind of in a hamster wheel, where you’re, you’re like, just managing all your clients, and you know that whole, like, take a look back, look back at the last six to 12 months and be like, like, “Did you move the ball forward?” Right? And if the answer that is, you’re feeling frustrated, and you’re not really sure how you’re moving it forward. Come join us (Lesley: Yeah) in, you know, in October. So it’s going to be amazing. The first one we had was a couple of weeks back. And I’ll tell you it was incredible experience we had, like 24 ladies (Lesley: Yeah) out of place (Lesley: none on zoom and 24 in person) Yeah. Wow. It was really ama… an incredible experience. I’m sure you’ve heard us talk about it multiple times. But if you want more information about that, just go to profitablepilates.com/retreat. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) And you will see everything there. If you have any questions, you can just send us a DM or, you know, ask any questions, ask all the questions. (Lesley: Yeah) I’m actually even happy to jump on a call with you. (Lesley: Yeah) So let us know.
Lesley Logan 2:58
Yeah, we’re I’m, I just I can’t wait to see who else signed up for that we’re already pretty much half filled, or at least at the time of recording this actually, we could be filled by the time you hear this. So …
Brad Crowell 3:00
That’s also true.
Lesley Logan 3:04
Lesley: That’s also true. (Brad laughs) But the people …
Brad Crowell 3:09
In that case, get on the waitlist.
Lesley Logan 3:11
Yeah, the people who have signed up already that I’m just like, I can’t even wait to have them here and like, get my hands on them and their business and in all the best ways, all the good ways. So what is our audience question?
Brad Crowell 3:24
This is a fun one. So if you haven’t heard Erika Quest has been coaching inside of Agency. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) And she only makes her coaching available inside of Agency now. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) And that is Lesley and I feel super honored that she that she’s here with us, and that she’s coaching instead of Agency, because she’s brilliant. (Lesley: Yeah) And the question was, “How did you start collaborating with someone as amazing and, you know, (Lesley: Yeah) famous as Erika Quest?”
Lesley Logan 4:00
Yeah, yeah, like, and also like, because I’m assuming the person is wanting to also figure out ways to collaborate. And, you know, I’ll say like, I’ll tell you my story, you can see yourself in it, and then I’ll give you some tips. So, Erika actually reached out to me, because I was putting out content around business advice. And she was doing the blogging for business advice for Bounce Body. And so, you know, she, she was looking for people who were doing what she was needing that for. And then she reached out to me, we did not become fast friends. We just became acquaintances. And then we would see each other on the like tours at the, thing, but it was a slow going like we’d see each other twice in one year and then like, we talked in between a little bit and then we had a phone call and I asked her for some advice. She asked me for some advice. So as we like, built a friendship, and then I was very clear with her what my goals were, and she was clear with me on her goals were and we support each other. And that has led to a collaboration. And so what I would just say is like, collaborations come, it’s like dating, everything goes back to dating. (Brad: Yeah, right.) You can not go to bed with someone on the first night and expect amazing collaboration. Some people get married on the first date. And yes, there are stories that works out. Not everyone who got married, the first date does that. We’ve all seen 90 Day Fiancé. So my point is … (Brad laughs)
Brad Crowell 5:26
Except for Brad, but yeah, sure.
Lesley Logan 5:28
He haven’t seen it but he has, he can envision it. So the point is, like, warm up to people, share, be vulnerable, tell them what your goals are, ask them what their goals are, and then see where your goals align, and then do little things together. Not a full on retreat, not a full on program, like an hour long thing. (Brad: Right) And then maybe a two hour long thing and really see if you like to work with the person, if you like their values for work or their work ethic, because we have had collaborations that monetarily were successful. But on the other side, were not as successful. And so not everyone’s gonna be the right partner. But you know, and also again, took time, I think she must have reached out to me in 2017. Yeah …
Brad Crowell 6:12
Wow. I mean, that was (Lesley: Yeah) before we were doing. That was like, Agency started in 2018.
Lesley Logan 6:18
Yeah, so she reached out to me when we were just blogging (Brad: Hmm) cuz it was just my blogs and my book. (Brad: Right) And I’ve been (Brad: Wow) doing that for a while.
Brad Crowell 6:26
And then she didn’t join us as a coach until 2021. (Lesley: Yeah) So years later.
Lesley Logan 6:32
Yeah. (Brad: Wow) Yeah. And we didn’t do WE+LLthy Mindset together until 2021. We did another thing together in 2020, with Mychele Sims and Tosh Edwards. (Brad: Right) Um, and that was our first like, actual four way… (foray?) (Brad: foray) foray. (Brad: foray) I’m also say it four way because it was but not that kind. (Brad laughs) But like it was, so that was our first time working together and actually, like, marketing something together and with some other people. And so again, test it out (Brad: Yeah) before you like, really like, before we like sign on deadlines of contracts. We tested a lot of things out. (Brad: Yeah) So collaborations are amazing. But you know, it’s okay, if one didn’t work out. It’s like dating. You didn’t marry your first boyfriend or girlfriend either. Maybe you did and lucky you. (Brad laughs)
Brad Crowell 7:19
Okay, awesome. Now let’s talk about Tori Gordon. From finally reaching a breakthrough to recognizing how to express her grief. Tori Gordon has now made it her life’s mission to provide tools to transform lives. Tori is an Award-Winning Content Creator, Founder of The Coachable Podcast, Trauma Informed Breathwork Facilitator. She’s a Master Coach and your biggest supporter to helping you achieve your highest potential.
Lesley Logan 7:52
Yeah, so she, you know, what’s crazy is I someone introduced me to her and said, “You two should do a podcast swap.” (Brad: Ha!) And then Amber Shaw, our dear friend. (Brad: Yeah) She said, “Oh my gosh, I have to introduce you my friend Tori.” And I was like, “I’m already having a call with her. We are already having a call.” (Brad laughs) So it’s just kind of funny how like, the world is so small. (Brad: That’s funny.) Yeah. (Brad: I didn’t know that.) And, Tori went to the same Breathwork Training that I am finishing up. So
That’s I was wondering, so yeah, cuz Trauma Informed Breathwork Facilitator sounded familiar. I was like, “Wait a minute.” (Lesley: Yeah, yeah.) Light bulb.
Same here. But yeah, so it just like, I mean, she went through, you know, a several years ago. So but it’s it’s just like, like attracts like, somehow you’ll just actually meet people by putting yourself out there and asking for what you need. (Brad: Right?) So, yeah. So what I love one of the she said so many things.
Brad Crowell 8:46
Yeah, there was, this is like, packed. (Lesley: This is a packed podcast.) Yep. (Lesley: Um, and …) I literally listened to it twice to prepare for the recap, because I was like, “Woah!”
Lesley Logan 8:56
Yeah, there’s some really great stuff. And, and one of the things she talked about was her soul mapping. And she actually made a freebie for y’all. So it’s in the show notes. But …
Brad Crowell 9:05
It’s in the show notes on the last episode, we’ll put it in this one too.
Lesley Logan 9:08
Okay. Look at that, just making it easy. So she talks about soul mapping and what that means, like tracking and bringing attention to your improvement. And I just love this because I really don’t think that we, as a human, society actually focus on what we did do. And we don’t give credit on on any improvement because like, we we think that like the finished like, it has to be X high to get the gold star. And if it’s halfway there, then it’s not a gold star. And it’s like actually, especially in the beginning, little, little improvements are very compounding, you know, like, they’re just, they’re just very compounding. And we can’t, we can’t discount that. So like yeah, maybe you didn’t run around the whole block, but you ran at the corner. (Brad: Yeah …) And the more you do that’s gonna be easier.
Brad Crowell 9:57
I’m not gonna lie. I’ve been experiencing this myself. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, you know where I’m going with this. (Lesley: Yeah, Brad and I went for a run.) Yesterday, I decided to go for a run (Lesley: Yeah) for like the first time in like, years. (Lesley: How far did you go?) I made, I set a timer. I thought, “Alright, I’m gonna do 20 minutes, and I’m gonna run one direction for 10. And then when the timer goes off, I’ll set the timer again. And I’ll run 10 minutes back.” And I made it about two blocks. And then I walked. (Brad laughs) (Lesley: Yeah, so you walk until your timer) And then I started running (Lesley: went over) and then I started walking. And then I started running and then I started walking. And I thought, “Damn, I’m out of shape.” But I also thought, “Alright, you know, like I can, I can dig it.” You know, I mean, I remember when I was younger, like being out on the soccer field and having no subs. You had a run for 90 minutes. I don’t know how I did that, then, you know.
Lesley Logan 10:53
Youth. But also (Brad: Yeah, youth) like, also consistency. But so what you … (Brad: Yeah, consistency was certainly part of it.) What you can do now as you can pick another day to go for a run and do the same route. And if you run a little further than two blocks, you can track that. And then if (Brad: Yeah) you walk a little less, so this is something like …
Brad Crowell 11:12
But then I can celebrate it and be like, “Hey, I made it two and a half blocks or I made three blocks.”
Lesley Logan 11:16
You can celebrate that you even went outside, the intention is still there, whether (Brad: Yeah) you do it or not, is actually the extra credit. And, and and for my overachievers listening, I promise you this is life changing. But you know, I don’t run once it gets hot in the morning. So then when it gets cool in the morning, I have to start a new and …
Brad Crowell 11:33
Oh, so literally, you’re doing this every year.
Lesley Logan 11:36
… every year now that we’re in Vegas. (Lesley: Yeah) I run from the house until I like give myself a mark. And then I walk the route we’re gonna run. And then you know, a week later, I tried to go half a block longer or a block longer or two like and then all of a sudden, we’re running around three blocks longer. It is (Brad: Hmm) crazy how compounding it is. But you got to give your muscles the ability to get strong, to get ready so that you’re not so sore. The next day, you don’t want to do this, it’s gonna be working out. It could be anything, it could be writing poetry, sitting down for three (Brad: Yeah) hours, write poetry is going to be exhausting if you’ve never sat down and wrote wrote poetry for three hours. But eventually, you get in this flow state. I was talking with Claire the other night about she was, she was just like, “I’m gonna write for 30 minutes.” And, and she ended up writing for an hour and a half. But that’s because she’s been practicing writing for 30 minutes. (Brad: Right) So, tracking and bring attention to your improvements and celebrating that you did. That is so so important. You will actually go further if you pat yourself on the back more often.
Brad Crowell 12:36
Yeah, celebrating is is, I feel like it’s the key.
Lesley Logan 12:42
Yeah. (Brad: You know) Yeah, it is. It’s free dopamine, by the way. It’s free. You don’t have to, you don’t have to scroll on Instagram to get it. You can actually get to yourself. (Brad: Yeah) What did you love?
Brad Crowell 12:51
Well, yeah, so she said something that made me laugh really hard. She said, “Life lifes.” And I thought that’s, that’s, that’s fucking brilliant. (Brad laughs) Effectively, that life is uncertain and that change is inevitable, right? And, for me, it’s the reason I connected with this is because I’ve always said, “Change is good.” Like, forever, I said that since I was yea big, “Change is good. Change is good.” Right? And, but she she kept coming back to this idea of like, being in the moment. And, and being willing to able, willing and able to roll with it when life lifes. Right? Because what do we say, “Oh, life got in the way.” Yeah, you know, like, “Shit, I hit the fan. Life got in the way or whatever. COVID.” Like, (Lesley: Yeah) you know, we just say that we now that become these like blanket statement terms. And I just thought it was so funny, life lifes, (Lesley: Yeah) you know. And I was like, “Wow, brilliant.” So you know, being able to allow for change to happen that is unexpected, right? Like we all want some kind of change to happen in our lives in a good way. Because we got up we got a strategy, we got a plan, we’re going in a direction, right? But what if you don’t actually, what if something derails that plan or, you know, whatever, like, for example, you’re going to hear this in a couple of weeks and interview that (Brad laughs) that’s coming up, where were one of your guests was talking about being on the way to a gig, and then three of the horses had to go to the vet five hours away. (Lesley: Yeah) And that really complicated things. And then you’re like, “Oh, what are we gonna do?” Well, you got it life lifes, so you got to do… (Lesley: Yeah) you got to deal with it.
Lesley Logan 14:34
Yeah. (Brad: You know) It’s, I mean, and that’s, and that’s something like if you fight it, you waste more time. (Brad: Yeah) Like if you fight life lifing you are actually just like, it’s like, it’s like trying to push a boulder up a mountain when you could just turn around and let the boulder roll down. You know, like, and then you know, do the other, I don’t know, but I’m just I just think that like, ask yourself why you’re resisting that change and uncertainty so much because that would be and like, that’s a good place to (dog noise) journals.
Brad Crowell 15:03
Yeah, (Lesley: Hi Gaia) life is, life is uncertain and change is inevitable. So, you know, generally, if you can embrace the change, it will, well, it’ll make it easier.
Lesley Logan 15:15
Yeah, I think it does. I think it’s like eating the vegetables you don’t like, (Brad: Yeah) you know, (Brad laughs) if you actually eat this, but I know, if you eat them when they’re hot, they taste way better than when they’re cold. (Brad laughs) So anyways, that’s a 9 year old Lesley telling you … (Brad: That’s a quote right there.) (Brad and Lesley laughs) That’s a quote Amanda put it on there.
Brad Crowell 15:32
Alright, so finally, let’s talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Tori Gordon? I’m going to jump in. She said, “Become clear on what you want.”
Lesley Logan 15:48
Yeah, I … (Brad: You know. And I …) Clarity is so key. If you’re like, also, because sometimes we want things because they sound good. So you like I remember writing down on my goals that I wanted to do a yoga teacher training. “What? Why would I do that? Why did I want to do that?”
Brad Crowell 16:05
I thought (Lesley: It’s like …) about that, too. Like, like, pretty seriously thought about doing that.
Lesley Logan 16:08
Yeah. And I realized that I actually just wanted to know the exercises more not actually become a teacher, which saved me thousands of dollars. So
Brad Crowell 16:16
For me, it wasn’t even about the money. It was about the, you know, minimum nine months that it was gonna take me to go through the program. (Brad laughs) You know, like, like time. Right?
Lesley Logan 16:26
Yeah. But yeah, but you have to be clear on what you want. Because like, if you were like, “Well, I definitely want to teach this.” You might have been like, “Okay, well, nine months is like short and the grand scheme of how long are we teaching it.” (Brad: Sure) But if you actually just wanted to know the movements better than like, you know, talking about my BE IT action items. I was like, “What are you in a hurry for?” And, you know, so like, why does the nine months bother you? If it bothers you, because you just want to like, actually, like, nerd out for a little bit. And you don’t, then then you can be more clear on what you should be searching for. So, so you know, I just what I did, I totally jumped ahead. So what would you like to finish?
Brad Crowell 17:03
Well, yeah, I mean, being clear on what you want, will allow you to also evaluate the the changes that we’re talking about where life lifing you know. If you know, if you know exactly what you’re going after, or going for or that, you know, that actual path, and then life gets in the way. It will allow you to roll with it, whatever it is a little bit easier. Because here’s a perfect example …
Lesley Logan 17:36
Are you talking about our wedding?
Brad Crowell 17:37
I am. (Lesley: Oh, my God.) How did you know? (Lesley: I know.) That is so crazy.
Lesley Logan 17:40
This is so good. You’re in my brain.
Brad Crowell 17:43
So when Lesley and I were planning our wedding, we were reading the book, what’s it called? (Lesley: A Practical Wedding) A Practical Wedding. We were reading that book, and the beginning of the book, it says, “Pick three things that are actually important.” Only three things, right? (Lesley: Yeah) Of all of the things that are gonna happen or going to be involved with this wedding, “What three things actually matter to you?” And we said, “All right, the people, the food and the music.” (Lesley: Yeah) Those are the three things that are important to us about this wedding. And what did we not pick? We did not pick the venue, right? Because for us, the venue was less important or not really important at all the… then the other three things. And you know what happened? I’m sure you’ve heard the story. Five weeks before we were getting married. Our venue canceled us. (Lesley: Yeah) And that was like, well, that was actually like really, like rock the boat, really actually made us really angry. And it was like, incredibly frustrating people that already bought hotels, rooms. And they were like, you know, like, they’d rented cars or not rent cars because of it. There was so much to like, then that limited where we could go because we couldn’t move across town. Because, you know, people were already there. So it was, it was really, really frustrating. And what the only thing that really allowed us to roll with it, you know, to allow life lifing was because we we took a step back and we said, “This isn’t one of our three things,” (Lesley: No) you know, and because we were clear with what was important to us. When that hit the fan. It was still something we had to deal with and it wasn’t fun. But it allowed us to kind of move forward without it (Lesley: Yeah) like, really, you know, making things implode.
Lesley Logan 19:34
Yeah, no, we actually the wedding didn’t have a venue for a week. That was it. Because we actually were able to go, “Well, we just this is what was important to us. So we just need to find a place that allows us to do those things.” And we found a better …
Brad Crowell 19:45
Yeah. We found a super amazing, (Lesley: a better thing) it probably better, I would argue that it is better. Yeah.
Lesley Logan 19:50
Yeah. Well, everything happens when it’s supposed to. So yeah, thank you … that’s a fun story. So anyways, (Brad: Yeah) I think you know nothing can but if you’re you have to be clear what you want. Otherwise you don’t on how to solve a problem when life lifes.
Brad Crowell 20:01
Yeah, totally. So you already kind of spilled the beans here. But (Lesley: I know) you said your biggest takeaway.
Lesley Logan 20:07
“What are you in a hurry for?” So, I’m impatient. Hi, I see you too. (Brad laughs) And the truth is, is that I love deadlines on goals, because they actually force you to take action. (Brad: Sure) But it’s okay if you don’t hit a deadline. As long as you evaluate why that was it? Why why didn’t you meet the deadline? Did you do need more time to work on this thing? Did you actually work on the thing? Why didn’t you work on the thing? Just like getting some clarity around it. Because when you ask yourself, like, “Why does this have to happen on this date?” You can actually get some information like, is it because you just want it to happen? And you want to have a now? Does it, like could it happen at a later date? Would that make it better? Just knowing why you’re, what you’re in a hurry for will actually allow you to understand like, “Why are you making a deadline of launching a website in a week? Like, what is there a reason?” Now there might be, there might be a reason, but then at least you know.
Brad Crowell 21:07
Yeah, I mean, are … is the timeline arbitrary? Did you create the timeline? And that can be a good thing. It can also just be an incredible amount of stress. (Lesley: Mm-hmm) If there isn’t truly a reason, like I used to work for a company that the the boss was like, “When do you want it?” You know and the answer was always “Now.” Always for every single thing and …
Lesley Logan 21:31
Right. Which is also not okay, because then everything is a priority, which means nothing’s a priority.
Brad Crowell 21:35
Yeah, that mean … Yeah. You didn’t let me finished exactly that point. But yes, yes. So the point was then that it was a clusterfuck. Everything was like a super crazy hurry. Right? For no reason, literally no reason. And so then it was like, “Well, you didn’t know actually what the, what I should be working on.” And, and then it to make it even worse, you didn’t know what question you were going to be asked about what project. So it was, it was incredibly stressful, and it caused unnecessary stress. And so I think that writing out what you’re in a hurry for is a two fold thing. First, it will allow you to focus on like the things that actually matter. But two, it will allow you to calm the fuck down, you know, (Lesley: That’s a quote.) because if you’re like, “I gotta, I gotta … I gotta get this done.” You can like write down, “What is it that you’re actually like stressing about? What are you in a hurry for?” Right? And you can then take a step back from that and go, “Okay, is this actually time sensitive? Does this really have to happen this exact second?” You know, and you’ll be able to figure that out in a different, a different manner.
Lesley Logan 22:41
Yeah, I think it’s great. And I also just think, the more clarity, again you have around all the things you want, all the things you’re wanting to do, the easier it is going to be for you to see help when it’s there. The easier it is for you to see a door opening when it’s there, the faster things will actually go. But if you’re just making blanket statements, blanket goals without any actual curiosity around them, exploration around them, understanding of what it is that you want. It’s just going to make you feel like you’re running in circles or maybe you’re actually like just missing the turnoff. I’m thinking of National Lampoon when they’re just going big … Like, “Hey, kids, Big Ben.” And they just like, they just like can’t got out of the turn about (Brad: They’re going in circles …) you know because… Yeah, cuz he has no clarity around where he’s going. Right? So anyways, I love Tori. She’s great. We’ll have to have her back. You can check out on The Coachable Podcast. I’m Lesley Logan.
Brad Crowell 23:32
And I’m Brad Crowell.
Lesley Logan 23:33
Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to use these BE IT action items in your life? Tag me at the @be_it_pod and Tori Gordon to let us know. Also just you know, whenever you share a podcast you are literally helping the podcast continue to grow even if you (Brad: Yeah) text it to one person. And so whether it’s this podcast or any other podcast you like, currency to them is actually you sharing their podcast, (Brad: Yeah) writing reviews. And so please check her out. Check us out and (Brad: Yeah) share …
Brad Crowell 23:58
That person that you just thought, “Wow, they should hear this message.” Send them the pod.
Lesley Logan 24:02
Yes, please. (Brad: Yep) And and and it will actually continue to change everybody. Right? (Brad: Yeah) And then that makes it easier for you to be more curious if everyone around you is more curious. So anyways, until next time, Be It Till You See It.
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Join Lesley and Alice as they discuss the essence of daily happiness, the art of nurturing joy, the role of perspective, and the significance of human balance, all while navigating life confidently...