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Ep. 142 with Lesley & Brad

“Having someone further ahead in something that you’re interested in, really helps you feel secure.”

Lesley Logan

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Show Notes

It’s time to level up. If you have doubts about coaching, personal or business you are not alone. Let Brad and Lesley, recap their experience with finding the right coach, the benefits of coaching, and how a mentor can boost your biz.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • The value in hiring a coach and continual growth
  • How to get clear when looking for a coach
  • How to avoid making decisions based in fear
  • The various forms that coaching can come in
  • The signs showing internal chaos

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Transcript

Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the growth oriented convo I had with Chris Goodman in our last episode. I mean, like it could have been the fear fear, like a fear freeing convo, like a … free of fear convo. It was such a fucking great conversation. (Brad: It was amazing.) And one of the first times ever I was with you not listening to the episode but listening to you listen to the episode. And I just smiled because I was like, “Yes, so fucking good.” It was fucking good episode. So if you haven’t yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen that one and then come back and join us. Okay, so today, if you’re listening this in real time, thank you so much for being on top of it. (Brad: Oh yeah.) We are, we are welcoming our new batch of Agency members, which is so fun. They’re actually in what we call like Slack Mini. (Brad: Yeah.) And they are like in a little training playground with each other, like learning how to use the, use of the tools, how to figure out where to find all the things and then they graduate. And so hopefully by tomorrow, most of them are meeting all of our Agency members who are so excited to see them because we we just love when the community grows. It’s so fun.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, so seriously, a big thank you for trusting us and also a big congratulations for believing in yourself and your businesses. And welcome to Mini. Welcome to Agency, I mean.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, welcome to Agency. And then and now, not then, but now. Technically now. We’re literally in the middle of our our retreat here at our house but for Profitable Pilates, this is our business retreat for fitness instructors. And we have the coolest group like it is just a really intimate, awesome group. They’re sharing house together like it’s so freakin fun. Monica is going to be here in a couple of days to take their pictures. Monica from Girl Squad, you’ll know her I think she’s from episode I want to say 13. But I could be if I pulled that number out correctly, I’d be so proud of myself (Brad: I’m not to look.) (Lesley and Brad laughs) Yeah, so anyways, she’s a badass, and we love her. And so she’s our photographer for the retreat, and she’s taken all their headshots. And then while he’s looking that up, we’re like, we’re like, two weeks away from getting on a plane. (Brad: Close.) What was, what was it?

Brad Crowell
Episode 9

Lesley Logan
Oh, oh, it’s so close. It was so weird. As soon as I said 13 that word nine hemline number and as it wasn’t 19 I think that was Clare. Oh, well, I was so close. Well, 13 was great too, whoever that was. It’s amazing. But we’re about to leave for Cambodia for our retreat there and somebody who people have been asking like when it is going to be in 2023. And the truth is, is that I haven’t planned that yet. Because I actually we’re gonna plan a 40th birthday party for myself. And we have a trip to Cabo, which may or may not become the birthday. I’m not I’m not entirely sure in this exact moment. And so we got to plan some vacations before we plan our next retreat, because those are not our vacations. Those are your vacations. And so you want to get on the waitlist for the Cambodia retreat. If you want to know when the 2023 one is.

Brad Crowell
Right, you have to get on the waitlist. So if that’s something you’re interested in, just go to lesleylogan.co/retreat

Lesley Logan
I know I saw you look at me like, “What waitlist for …”

Brad Crowell
They are, no, you said those are your vacations and it took me a minute to put together that you’ve not, we’re working when we go on retreat. (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah. (Lesley: We are.) It’s like (Lesley: You, you…) because you were just talking about our vacations to Cabo, and then I got very confused. (Lesley: Yeah.) But it’s okay. We’re good.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I mean, it’s fun. It’s like the funnest work we could do. But we are…

Brad Crowell
Oh, it might be one of my favorite things to do. But it is full, a very very full week for us …

Lesley Logan
You aren’t running up in downstairs making sure breakfast is ready. Making sure tables are where they need to be like your your cons… you’re like talking to all of our vendors all the time. Like it is beautiful. And I, and when we get to the temples, I am on vacation. And I’m also counting heads. I’m like, “How many heads do we have? Is everyone here? Anyone wander off in the temple? Okay.” (Lesley and Brad laughs) It’s so fun. So anyways, get on that waitlist, so you can be the first to know because our space our house only holds so many people. So we want it to be you. Okay.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, but first, we had an audience question today. And the question was actually about being business owners, you’ve heard us talk about the fact that we constantly have coaches in our corner, constantly reaching out to us or, you know, working with us and we’re, you know, reaching out to them asking questions, all the things and but we’ve been doing that now for many years. And the question was, “Why, why do you keep doing it? And like, if you got coaching, do you need to keep getting coaching?”

Lesley Logan
Well, I love this question. And in fact, I’m gonna use one of our coaches, comments, which is be a product of your product. So if you aren’t what that means is if you’re a coach, you have a coach, if you’re a Pilates teacher, you have Pilates teacher.

Brad Crowell
That was Chris.

Lesley Logan
No, Jill said it to us.

Brad Crowell
Oh, good. Well, (Lesley: Yeah.) Chris, also said it in the interview.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, no, like I (Brad: Yeah.) it’s, and it’s and they keep saying it because it’s true. And it’s, and here’s the reason like, you will, you will encounter, we’ve talked about video games before with like you like, learn some of the little devil guys and then you beat them. And then you learn the next level and you beat them and you see all of them in the castle with the princess and fragment Mario and Luigi, and then you see all the ones you’ve already dominated. And then you have a bigger one that you have the confidence to take on and I got the new level, you have this new level, and there’s like new things, don’t you want a guide to be like, “Hey, use this thing over here instead of this or would you prefer to wander around in circles, trying to figure it out on your own.” So hiring a coach, and you keep hiring them because at some point, unless they’re continuing to grow, you get to a level where they are at, and then they go, “Get out of my nest and go into someone else’s.” And it’s, and it doesn’t happen for everybody because sometimes like we are with one coaching group where like, they continue to uplevel their offerings and services so that as we grow, there’s another level for us, similar for us in Agency, I think we do a really good job bringing in coaches to help our members who’ve been with us for many years to take on their next level in a very cost effective way compared to like with hiring those people could be outside. But I think you if you are a teacher, you have a teacher, right? Like you look at lawyers, they take continuing education, doctors take continue education, why do they keep taking continuing education, because there’s more things to learn.

Brad Crowell
Or also even CC’s if you’re, you know, fitness person, continuing education credits.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, lawyers have to take things, … my mom goes to some sort of educational thing all the time. So the truth is …

Brad Crowell
Yeah, she’s a first grade teacher. Yeah. (Lesley: Most …) Oh, even my, my dad, he’s, he’s an accountant. And he would go to the … (Lesley: Yeah sometimes …) some big accounting work conference every year. Yeah.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So the truth is, is that we, the more we get to help people, and the more we get to see where they’re growing, the more we can see where we’re growing. And hiring coaches to help us get there. Not even necessarily faster, but it is but also with like, less pain and angst of growing like, because they’re like, “Hey, why don’t you try it like this? Instead of but.” I love that idea. It’s a little bit too many things. Like why don’t just get rid of that, go to that you’re like, “Oh, well, thanks for saving me 17 hours building up those things I didn’t need.”

Brad Crowell
I was gonna say, when I was starting my Amazon business, my partner told me, he’s like, “Dude, I know myself. I am the person who is the perfectionist who needs to make sure that I’m not doing it wrong.” Notice, we didn’t say we’re doing it right in there. But there’s that fear, so of not doing it wrong. And he said, “I will be the one who spends 500 hours watching YouTube videos. I would much rather just talked to this guy, who already built a full course, to take a step by step through the process than to spend 500 hours watching videos.” So we spent 1000s of dollars to access this course and then have access to this person who had been where we were, so that he didn’t have to spend, you know, I mean, and I think that’s an incredibly, you know, realistic argument, because he’s not alone in that. And also, he knew himself really well. (Lesley: Yeah.) Yeah.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I think I think the more you know yourself, the easier it is to hire a coach too, because then you know, the right coach they get for yourself, and it’s, and please, please, please, if you’re looking into getting a coach, make sure you’re really clear on what you’re looking for, and ask people around you who are doing the things that you want to be doing, if they work with a coach and who it was. So like, you can just shorten the research process, but you should only get on a phone call with them, or you should be able to read some testimonials by them. And, you know, you you there is a level of trust that you have to have right off the bat with this coach, that is a little bit like scary, because it’s a big investment. You don’t know if this investments gonna be like have the ROI. But if you if you are really if you go all in and you believe you’d be surprised, like how much you can get even from coach or like, I’m not really …

Brad Crowell
I mean, yes 100%. But I don’t even think that that’s, you know, the I have definitely got into skepticism before. No question. But I have certainly believed that that coach has served others very well. (Lesley: Yeah.) Right. They have a track record. Right. And so I think that the most of the question is like, “Is it gonna work for me?” Even when you pull the trigger already and you hire a said coach, the question really comes down, “Is it gonna work for me?” And you know, I can’t speak for everybody else’s program, but I can, I can say that instead of Agency, we are very intentional about accountability. And, you know, some people get frustrated at us, which is I find plenty. I mean, it’s telling, you know, because I’m that person too. I’m like, damn, you know, and …

Lesley Logan
You procrastinate so long, you missed out on the accountability boundary, and then you’re they’re frustrated and frustrated with yourself but you’re frustrated at the process that was holding you accountable in the first place. (Brad: Yeah.) I get that.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. And then anyway, you know, so so most of the coaches that you would be investigating, have a track record, and you can, you know, see testimonials and you could ask them about their experiences. So do that before you sign up if you have any skepticism.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And you know, and, and you don’t, I’m not saying if you go and hire a coach today, or you have to hire a business coach even. But it’s always nice to have we’ve talked about this and I forget which episode and it was James out to share it but Brad never found the episode, but it was definitely him. I’m not going to take it from him. It was plus, equals minus, we all have to people that are above us, we have the people that are level, and we have people below us. Brad and I were just in Nashville we had we were with our coaches who are above us. We, they were taught, they’re guiding the conversation, we were networking with people who are equals, and all of us there have some process program that coaches people who are not where we are yet. (Brad: Right) And so what’s really cool when you’re when you hire someone who is your plus, you take the guessing game out, and maybe it’s in life, and maybe it’s in business, or maybe it’s something else, you know, maybe it’s a meditation could be having someone who is further ahead in something that you’re interested in, really does help you feel secure, even when you feel insecure.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, and it doesn’t just have to be in business. Growing up, I was always a firm believer of a mentor. Right. As opposed to today, I hire a business coach, they’re the same thing. But with a mentor, I was willing to share my life, intimate details of my life with people in authority. When I was really young, it was a pastor, or even a youth pastor. And then, as I got into college, it was my professors, some of them, you know, and then after college is when really, it became more mostly focus about business and less about my personal life, until I hired an executive coach. And he was like, you know, “Hey, look, all that stuff you’re gonna be able to figured out, we need to talk about you.” And I was like, “What?” (Brad and Lesley laughs)

Lesley Logan
But that’s also why you have someone to kind of remind you, “Hey, that’s actually let’s go talk about you.” (Brad: Yeah.) So speaking of coaching, if you don’t work with us, or you hire someone else, maybe you end up falling for Chris’s guidance, and he’s got some coaches on the team. So let’s talk about Chris Goodman.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. When Chris isn’t kayaking, or watching the six, his six month old daughter, Chris Goodman can be found coaching entrepreneurs and CEOs, or recording a new episode for his podcast, Relentless Growth, which we’ll throw into the show notes. He is on a mission to help clients find their own personal vision of freedom, fulfillment and impact on a global scale. He brings 15,000 plus hours of coaching and training to every conversation that he has, and has a reputation for asking tough, transformative questions in an approachable way.

Lesley Logan
Agreed. Agreed on that bio. (Brad: Yeah.) Like I cosign. (Lesley and Brad laughs) Well, one thing I loved was a decision rooted in fear will create results rooted in fear and like, don’t we know this, like, it’s the same thing if you plant, if you plant a seed in soil that is like has no nutrients, it’s not growing, you can water it all you want. It’s not gonna grow. So it’s like …

Brad Crowell
That’s an interesting analogy. I like that. (Lesley: Yeah. So um, so I, I think …) We, you know what, let’s, let’s make that a little bit even more real. We moved into our house a couple years back, and the backyard was completely empty. And it was really, like, actually, annoyingly empty, and I and it was like, we need to plant some stuff here. (Lesley: Looks really weird.) It just a big box. It was so strange. And, and so we started getting palm trees. And my, I asked around, and we found a landscaping guy and I said, “Hey, man, I don’t actually know what I’m doing here. I need help. You know, and would you be willing to come work with us.” And he told me, “Oh, man, palm trees like, you know, they’re, they’re impossible to kill. These things are amazing trees. You can plant them anywhere and they’re gonna survive.” And I was like, “Amazing.” So we ended up getting, I don’t know, a half dozen or a dozen off of Craigslist and Facebook marketplace and like just through word of mouth have like people like, “I don’t want these anymore. Get them out of my yard.” And I was like, “Great.” So we would go and get these trees and plant them. And we put one in the corner in the back of the yard area, and it died. And I was like, “How come all these other trees are blossoming, they’re going just fine. But this, this one just you know didn’t make it.” And because when I planted it, it was like medium height compared to the other ones. It should have been just fine. And I, I was talking to a neighbor one day. And I said, “I don’t get it. This is so weird.” And she said, “I think I know.” She said years ago, there was a pool in this backyard. And that is where all the pool equipment was stored at right next to that. So I wonder if there was chlorine that leaked into the soil.

Lesley Logan
Oh, that’s so fascinating. That is (Brad: So) so fascinating. So yeah, so just to tie that back, you know, when you are making decisions and about anything, if you have fear around them, before you officially make that decision. Can you have a little rubber band around your wrist? Snap it and then like, take a moment because …

Brad Crowell
You need to do something to clear the chlorine.

Lesley Logan
You need to clear the chlorine. (Brad: Yeah.) You need, you do and and you need to get rid of that fear. And maybe it’s meditation, maybe it’s going to take time, maybe it’s gonna go take who knows, but you have you, you can have the best, you can make the best decision. But if you are in fear, when you’re making it, the actions you’re going to take are not going to be the actions that get you the result you want. So I just love that. What did you love that he said?

Brad Crowell
Well, it’s funny, I guess we rolled right into it. He also said, is it possible, he asked is it possible to outlearn fear. And then later on in the conversation, he he said maybe we should say outgrow fear instead of outlearn fear. And he talks about his own experience with his coaches because he’s still, you know, again, he’s a product of his product. And he, he said, you know, when he gets to a new place with his company, where now he’s like hiring coaches and stuff, and he never had that before. So now he’s, you know, encountering new obstacles. It’s, it’s still, you know, he goes through this process of fear. And he said, that’s when he goes back to his coaches, and they sit down and talk. But this idea of outgrowing fear, he said, he’s beginning to recognize it in his own thinking a little bit more today and help him you know, snap that rubber band as it were, to kind of reset, where before he might actually this wasn’t this was really interesting. And I’m gonna, I’m gonna kind of roll this in. I really loved what he said, So should I just not have fear? Should I not feel the fear?” And he said, “No, no, we don’t want to nullify your humanity.” He said, “You should experience you know, all the feels.” Right. Like Lesley says, feel all the fields. You should be happy, sad, angry, afraid, joyful, exuberant, every, you should still feel all the feels. He said, but where we have a choice is how long do you feel the feels? (Lesley: Yeah.) Right. And so if you are, when you encounter fear, how long do you want to stay in that moment of fear? Because it could be I mean, holy hell, I remember with my old job. I, I was effectively in a perpetual state of stress, which is like equivalent to fear. Right. Like perpetual for months.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, (Brad: years) I think a lot of people are, I think a lot of people are for years, they’re constantly afraid the next year is going to drop. And so it’s like, what I love that we talked about in that whole segment was like, sort of notice when you’re feeling that, and then you can speed up the process of getting out of it faster. (Brad: Yeah.) And I and I, I do think that like, you can get to a point where you almost can laugh and that fear comes from like, “Oh my God.” Okay, (Brad: Yeah) maybe and if you have any here, right, here’s what we’re gonna do. And it will be for different fears you may be for some things, I can catch them really quickly when it comes to our business. Oh that’s my fear right there. With other things that might be with like family or health or like that you might still be learning what those signs are. So just give yourself permission to to be aware. So and I think that we’ll go into our BE IT items. So I’m gonna, I’m gonna let us roll into that.

Brad Crowell
Okay, all right. Finally, let’s talk about those BE IT action items. What both, executable, intrinsic and targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Chris Goodman? I think that we, we covered some of this already, but find a coach and commit to it. Right. Be a product of your product. And we especially at the beginning, when we were asked answering the question, “Why do you still have a coach?” I think we cover that pretty intentionally. But, you know, this is, this is something you have to seek out, you have to go actually, you know, look for a coach. And like I said, at the beginning, it doesn’t have to be business coaching, it could be …

Lesley Logan
It could be any mentor, it could be a life coaching.

Brad Crowell
Life coaching. I mean, and the idea of life coaching is always weird, because it’s a very amorphous thing. But if you do have a pastor, who you know, is, you know, relatable, that could be a life coach for you, or that could be a coach for you.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, there’s, there’s so many different kinds out there. And you may have need a coach for different parts of your life. So that’s, I think, I agree with that BE IT item. I loved it.

Brad Crowell
What about you?

Lesley Logan
Learn to witness your own thoughts, which just goes back into what you were talking about, be aware of what is happening inside, you don’t have to live in a state of misery. So, so not… like, notice, sometimes you might not notice the thoughts before you notice the feelings like I, if I start to live in a stressed out state, my body starts to tell me sometimes before my mind does, and so you …

Brad Crowell
Actually breath. (Lesley: Oh) Right. Chris was talking about breath (Lesley: Yeah) and the shortness of breath, and the shortness of your words, the explosiveness of the words.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, if you if you if you are like doing just fine, and then you read something, and then you snap at the next person you talk to, that’s your sign, something that’s going on …

Brad Crowell
If you’re if you suddenly yell at the dogs. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah.) And you were chill a minute before, whatever it is, you know, you’re taking it out on your dogs. Right? Like, yeah.

Lesley Logan
100% 100%. So I think, like, start to just witness if you haven’t, if you’re unsure of what what state is what in your body, just start to, just take a week where like, this is what I’m gonna focus on. I’m just gonna focus on how I’m reacting to things. And you’re not going to fix it overnight. But you get to and as we already talked about, you’re not going to outlearn it, but you are going to be able to speed up the process to which you get out of the state of the misery that you’re in. (Brad: Yeah.) So I’m, I’m obsessed. I really, I’m so glad we got to finally have him on. (Brad: And it was great great great episode.) It was so fun. Chris, thank you so freakin much. Okay, everyone, how are you going to use these tips in your life? What did you use? What were your takeaways, what our takeaways, your takeaways? We want to know tag to @be_it_pod. And, I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Thank you so much for joining us. We are so grateful. Tag us on the pod, write us review. Let us know what your favorite episode is and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.

Lesley Logan
Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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