How to Overcome

the Limitations of the

Ego Mind

Ep. 311 with Lesley & Brad

“If you feel like you need another certification in order to be qualified, that’s also ego.”

Brad Crowell

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Show Notes

Dig into Christian de la Huerta’s teachings on the ego mindset and its impact on our lives in today’s recap episode. Brad and Lesley discuss how breathwork can be a powerful tool in breaking free from ego-driven limitations and the role of breathwork in achieving a deeper sense of self.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • The possibilities if you are kind to yourself and speak positively about your abilities.
  • Why breathwork and shamanic experiences involve transcending the limited ego mind.
  • Practical steps to overcome and understand how the ego mind works.
  • How breathwork can change your life and help you become more aware of what’s going on within us.
  • Why you should reflect on the lessons learned from past failures as valuable experiences.

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Lesley Logan: One of the things that I love that he said which is actually it goes back to what I was talking about with Sonny Renee Taylor is not only are we wasting our potential in terms what we think about but it’s worse than that we do such a number on ourselves with our negative self talk. We feed the self doubt.


Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.


Brad Crowell 0:56
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life Lesley and I are gonna dig into the restorative convo that she had with Christian de la Huerta in our last episode. If you have not yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this right now and look at Lesley’s face on YouTube because I stole our intro and then go back and listen to Christian and Lesley chit-chatting, which was an amazing episode, like, really funny actually, I literally laughed out loud in the grocery store while I was listening to this, and then come back and listen to this one and join us for this recap. It’s worth it y’all it’s a good one.

Lesley Logan 1:34
Oh my gosh. And you did it so well. It was your first try. Not really irritates me you did it so well. And it’s your first try. I practice, I fuck it up all the time and you did it so random.

Brad Crowell 1:49
You do amazing, love, you do so well. I love it. Today is January

Lesley Logan 1:55
No, it’s my turn. It’s my turn. My turn. It is National Can Do Day. Talk about it. Be it till you see it day. It encourages us to do things we are capable of doing and that we always dreamt of. It motivates us to concentrate our strengths and turn our dreams into a reality through determination and willpower.

Brad Crowell 2:13
Love it. National Can Do Day.

Lesley Logan 2:17
Yeah, I love a can-do attitude.

Brad Crowell 2:19
Yeah. I mean, you know what else? What is? What is be it till you see it? You know, what else is it?

Lesley Logan 2:25
Yeah. I can do it. You can do it. Today, we’re in Sedona, Arizona. Love how that sounds.

Brad Crowell 2:31
That’s the only reason I started remembering Sedona because I kept getting stuck with all the S’s we’ve got Sarasota springs, we’ve got Saratoga, no Saratoga Springs, Sarasota, Florida. And then Sedona couldn’t I just couldn’t bring it up. But until they went Sedona, Arizona and Arizona, I was like it’s in Arizona and Sedona, Arizona.

Lesley Logan 2:53
And also like we had some people were like, I want to have lunch with you. I’m like, I know, but I want to have lunch to this one spot. And they don’t even know if it’s on the route. But I want to have lunch to this one spot.

Brad Crowell 3:02
Sure, we’ll figure it out (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 3:05
So if you want to drive further up the road, then like we’re gonna have lunch in this one spot. Anyways, so excited, it’s the last stop.

Brad Crowell 3:12
Holy macaroni. We have been on the road for 28 days, y’all. And we will be home tonight.

Lesley Logan 3:18
I know. I know. I know. And then I kick off eLevate tomorrow. And so here is the deal y’all.

Brad Crowell 3:24
I guess we better make it home.

Lesley Logan 3:25
Better make it home. (Inaudible) Here’s the deal. If you were like fuck, I was gonna do that eLevate mentorship, I’ve been really wanting that. The kickoff call is something you could miss because we actually start in February.

Brad Crowell 3:38
Yeah, the first weekend workshop is February.

Lesley Logan 3:40
My goal and hope is that this is filled with the 12 Amazing people by the time that this comes out, but it’s possible that you could still get in because actually in round three, we had a girl, Alexis, who listens to this podcast. And she’s like, I wonder if there’s a spot and we happen to have someone had a family emergency drop out. And she got their spot. It’s true one week before we started. So I’m just saying peeps, that could be you. It could be you and my mentorship is for teachers who are tired of burning out tired of pre-planning tired of feeling insecure, low confidence, imposter syndrome. And also we’d like to understand what Joe supplies why behind the what was. I’m gonna teach you that so is what you want to go to.

Brad Crowell 4:21
Do it.

Lesley Logan 4:21
And then in a couple of weeks

Brad Crowell 4:23
Stay tuned.

Lesley Logan 4:24
If you are on the waitlist for the Cambodia retreat.

Brad Crowell 4:27
That’s right. Key detail there. Those who are on the waitlist. On the waitlist.

Lesley Logan 4:34
They get the best deal on the retreat and it will come into your inbox in a couple of weeks, mid-January. And then if there’s any spots left we’ll go public, but you won’t get as good of a deal as it was on the waitlist. You go to plural retreat with an S, if you want to know what plural means, and I don’t know sometimes my words don’t sound right so I was like

Brad Crowell 5:01
You’re nailing it babe. That’ll get you on the waitlist and then we will be emailing everyone in a few weeks. In a couple of weeks, sorry. And you will get the details on when we’re going to Kampuchea, Cambodia.

Lesley Logan 5:04
And then after we celebrate my birthday, it is Agency Mini Number 10. It’s six years of Agency, our coaching group for fitness instructors, Pilates instructors and studio owners. And our agency is now six, six years old. And you wanna know something we have still two of the original members.

Brad Crowell 5:33
You wanna know something.

Lesley Logan 5:34
You wanna know, you wanna know something. We have two, we have two of the original five members. Yes, that’s right. Five people. Five people. And two are still with us. Way to go ladies. And then we have dozens who have been with us for five and then

Brad Crowell 5:53
Four, three, totally.

Lesley Logan 5:54
If you go half our members have been with us for four like four or more. It’s like just fucking awesome. Like, it’s so fun to see what they’re doing. We’ve got folks launching, we’ve got people buying extra studios, we’ve got people, it’s just amazing.

Brad Crowell 6:05
Yeah, courses. Now they’re leading retreats, they’re they’re doing all the things. It’s like, really encouraging and exciting to see them build a solid foundation in their core business and then branch out. It’s awesome.

Lesley Logan 6:18
But if you want seven days of coaching, getting any questions you ever had on your mind answered, honestly. And you want that for $67 or less? Yeah, you heard me right. $67 or less. You want to go to Agency Mini on the waitlist, its

Brad Crowell 6:39 And I I’m not going to spill the beans, but we have a we’ve been making some changes, some very exciting changes in the program, and what it’s going to look like after Mini is over. So I cannot wait to reveal all of that. To the Mini members.

Lesley Logan 7:01
All right. Before we get into the amazing interview that had you cracking up. I’m literally like, what, we were funny? I did love him. We have an audience question to answer.

Brad Crowell 7:10
Yes. What are the latest books that you are reading?

Lesley Logan 7:15
Yeah, I love answering this question. So you can keep saying I answered every several months because it comes through because there’s different books. And Brad is like really into his books. But I’m

Brad Crowell 7:24
Just super into ebooks. In fact, my books have taken over my podcast time and I have not listened to podcasts now in two months.

Lesley Logan 7:32
Wow. I know more than you that’s happening in the world.

Brad Crowell 7:34
Yeah, yeah. 100%. I’m, like completely disconnected, which is really weird for me, because I’m a political news junkie. And I love to stay up on everything. And I have been sucked into these books that

Lesley Logan 7:47
You wanna tell them what the books are?

Brad Crowell 7:48
Yeah. Yeah, I started reading this series when I was probably 10. Maybe 12? I don’t know. I guess I was in middle school. So, 13, 13 because that’s when I got into seventh grade. My friends, we’re reading them. It’s a it’s a series called The Wheel of Time. It’s by Robert Jordan. He is he kind of picked up the mantle of the epic saga that was created by you know, the the Lord of the Rings series and

Lesley Logan 8:18
The hero’s journey.

Brad Crowell 8:20
Yeah, this is this is it’s it goes on and on and on. But this this one is amazing. Robert Jordan really took it to the next level. It’s 15 books in the series. And each book is probably between 500 and 1000 pages pages long. And I’ve been listening to them on audiobooks. And I can’t recommend that enough. It is just an unbelievable journey. And it’s awesome. So yeah, for me, that’s what I’ve been really spending my free time with. And the other day I went and I downloaded a whole bunch of business books, and I looked at him and said, I do business all day for my job. And my listening time is me time. And so I’ve been just enjoying my books.

Lesley Logan 9:08
Yeah. Well, I love that. My books are all probably business.

Brad Crowell 9:14
That’s okay. That’s not a bad thing.

Lesley Logan 9:18
So I should have wrote this down. It’s Tia Graham’s book. Something about happy leaders to Graham. What is her book? She’s gonna be on the podcast.

Brad Crowell 9:28
Be a Happy Leader: Stop Feeling Overwhelmed.

Lesley Logan 9:32
Yes. So she I’m reading her book, or by the time you’ve listened to this I’ve read her book. I’m really excited about it. Also Awakening the Soul of Power is Christian’s latest book and it is also was traveled with me on this tour for me to read into which was already started it before I interviewed him and I’m finishing it. And then I started listening to Money: A Love Swith Kate Northrup, which is an old book but I just heard about it. And it made me think of We Shall be Millionaires. And which I still want. I still want the author of We Shall Be Millionaires on this podcast. My listeners, I need your help. I need her to want to be on my podcast y’all.

Brad Crowell 10:17
Rachel Rogers.

Lesley Logan 10:18
Rachel Rogers. She’s amazing. She’s amazing. And then we’re actually doing the book list for next year’s book club for Agency members, which is completely voluntary, and they’re not allowed to be overwhelmed by being in the book club. They are supposed to be a responsible book lover, which is, you won’t read the book if you’re overwhelmed. And one of the books that we’re actually thinking of bringing in is the Four Agreements, which is old easy, you guys. I read it on a flight to Nashville, and I finished it before the fight was over. And I was a little pissed. But it’s such a great it’s like essential rules to live by. I really love that one. And it makes me think of one more book that I probably mentioned before the holy fucking moly, it’s January, let’s bring it up.

Brad Crowell 11:05
I already know where you’re going.

Lesley Logan 11:06
Do you?

Brad Crowell 11:07

Lesley Logan 11:07
The body is not an apology.

Brad Crowell 11:09
No, that’s not what I thought you’re gonna say.

Lesley Logan 11:11
Well, then you can bring that up what you thought I was gonna say.

Brad Crowell 11:13
I don’t know the name of it, but it’s the one the

Lesley Logan 11:17
The Big Leap.

Brad Crowell 11:17
That one where you pour coffee for two preconceived

Lesley Logan 11:21
Oh, shit. That’s a good one. Okay. Well, let me get to all those in a second. So The Body is not an Apology by Sonya Renee Taylor. I highly recommend the audible on that. She reads it herself. And then I also recommend you listening to her interview on Brene Browns podcast years ago, I listened to it in 2020 might have been 2021. And y’all have got to stop shaming and judging yourself about your body and punishing yourself. Nothing pissed me off more than two days after Thanksgiving. Watching every fitness thing out there going. All right, here’s your workout to burn off that Turkey. We do not work out to punish ourselves for what we did two days ago. We work out to be stronger, to have longevity, to have better posture to have energy, stamina, strength, positivity, confidence, all the things we have to. So anyways, The Body is no an Apology is an amazing book. And I highly recommend that interview with her because it really helps you go whoa, me being distracted by what I think people are staring at, which they’re not, is keeping you from being super powerful in this world. And that’s put the people in power want because then you’re not able to kick their pedestal out. Anyways. You’re talking about the, not The Big Leap, but the other one. Oh, E-Squared, E-Squared, Pam Grout. It’s a little blue. But I think you should do it. Because I poured coffee for two and I have a husband. I’m just

Brad Crowell 12:55
That’s the secret y’all.

Brad Crowell 12:56
That’s the secret.

Lesley Logan 12:57
You automatically, you magically get a husband if you pour coffee for two.

Lesley Logan 13:00
It was like chapter four. That’s actually I don’t know that was in the book. But chapter four or five was like

Brad Crowell 13:05
Pam Grout is gonna be so excited about hearing (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 13:07
Pam Grout, come on the podcast.

Brad Crowell 13:08
Come on the podcast.

Lesley Logan 13:09
How do we get Pam Grout get oh Google alert about us. Pam Grout let’s say it one more time. But she I don’t even know where the if the coffee for two came from E-Squared. But what did come from E-Squared was me writing your name down and hoping that you would like not hoping but like you write the name down and then like the universe makes you call me. So anyways, all those books are amazing

Brad Crowell 13:32
She has a new one. E-Cubed.

Lesley Logan 13:34
It’s not that new. And I haven’t read it yet. But I will. Maybe I’ll read that next.

Brad Crowell 13:41
All right, now let’s talk about Christian de la Huerta. Christian is a renowned spiritual teacher and transformation coach. He’s an award-winning author who has spoken at universities, conferences and TEDx talks. His latest book, Awakening the Soul of Power, explores themes of empowerment, conscious relationships, and spiritual transformation. Listening to him was so peaceful.

Lesley Logan 14:10
I know I want him to do a sleep story. Christian, if you’re listening, do you have a sleep story? If you don’t may recommend that you just read someone else’s stories. Like any story, it can be Baa Baa Black Sheep, whatever it is, and put it on Spotify. I need about eight hours of it and I will out you can just be my sleep. Um, this is my request. This is my you know, like, just love him. And so he’s just a gentle soul. And when I was talking to him, I was like, Oh, where are you? And he’s like, where am I? He was like in Colombia. And he’s living the Nomad life. And I just really love that about him. He’s just, you know, he’s doing his thing and he’s so easy to talk to. His book is full of all this amazing stuff. And one of the things that I love that he said, which is actually it goes back to what I was talking about with Sunday morning Taylor is not only are we wasting our potential in terms of what we think about but it’s worse than that we do such a number on ourselves with our negative self-talk. We feed the self-doubt.

Lesley Logan 15:10
So we are so good at overthinking negative stuff about ourselves. And then it’s, you think it’s just happening in your brain. But y’all, it is happening to your body. And then it is out also affecting how you show up in this world. You are dimming your fucking light so much, people don’t, people don’t get to experience what you are the only person in this world who can do what you do, you’re it. And like you. I was talking to Jessica Pompano today. And she was, we have a podcast episode come out with her, and we’re talking about how she’s in clothing and styling and like women who don’t like a part of their body, they’ll just wear bigger baggier clothes to hide it. And she’s like, that actually isn’t making you feel good either. Because you just wearing a bigger baggier clothes. And her big thing is about highlighting your biggest asset, and what that does for us. And so I just I say this, because if you are sitting here being hard on yourself at any point, in your day you are taking, you’re literally holding yourself back from hitting the goals that you have. Because you’re slowing yourself down. Because why on earth if you judge yourself for how you look? Or how you said something, or how you did something? How is that also going to have the energy to like, take on a new challenge? You’ve killed all your powerful energy. Yeah, you’re like, if you think of a video game, it’s like when you get hit by like, you get that little warning shot where your power goes down. And then like that you did that that’s you talk to you about yourself and like, oh, but I’m going to take on this big powerful like ruler boss, right? You can’t do it.

Brad Crowell 16:57
I mean, I think about like Mario Kart, you know, when you are going full speed and you you got hit by a shell. You’re okay, your momentum is gone and have to work your way back up to that full speed.

Lesley Logan 17:09
It’s so much harder to do it. It’s so much harder. Could you win? Sure. I’ve won many video games that I play with, like my worst little guys. Because like after hours of playing it going, that’s gonna go. But if you if you were actually to be kind yourself, talk yourself up. Imagine what you could do. And I look, if you’re a narcissistic asshole, that’s probably a dangerous thing. But if you listen to this podcast, it’s because you’re not. So I don’t feel bad. And I’m not worried about this information being in your ears.

Brad Crowell 17:41
You know, he talked about the limiting role of our ego. When he was discussing the benefits of breathwork and its healing effects. You guys had a quick super side note here, I thought was really interesting that he was raised in super Catholic family, and then got into, like, the healing nature of breathwork and how much of a problem his parents had with that. And instead of him like, not going to be a doctor, psychologist, I mean, that I thought was really funny. But he said that both breathwork and shamanic experiences involve transcending the limited ego mind and experience a sense of expanding identity. This is a lot too, for me to like, be like, Yeah, I’m excited about that. But

Lesley Logan 18:29
You just said shamanic, which is

Brad Crowell 18:31
I did say shamanic. It’s shamanic.

Lesley Logan 18:33
Yeah. But also like, I never like

Brad Crowell 18:35

Lesley Logan 18:36
Yeah. We just had a shaman on so like, we’re, just a skeptical shaman.

Brad Crowell 18:41
A skeptical shaman, yeah, skeptical shaman, badass. Breathwork and shamanic experiences evolve, transcending the limited ego mind. And I think that’s actually the clutch. The the, that’s the crux of it is the the ego is the limiting factor. Right? We all have ego, whether you are like this, you know, verbose, arrogant, like in your face, like ego, or you’re diminutive and soft spoken. And whatever.

Lesley Logan 19:18
Oh. By the way, being a people pleaser is your ego.

Brad Crowell 19:20
That’s well, that’s, that’s what I mean. It’s exactly it’s the opposite of the, you know, the arrogant fool. But it’s still ego. It’s actually still ego. It’s just the other side of the spectrum of ego. And we all deal with these things. And so he kind of talks about the limited ego mind, which I’ve never heard it phrased that way before, and how breathwork can help break through and shamanic experiences. You know, I didn’t really understand all the things he was talking about with that, but you know, specifically the breathwork part I can can relate to because that is in my life, mostly through you, Lesley, but you know, our ego can dominate everything, it dominates the way that we perceive ourselves the way we perceive others.

Brad Crowell 20:14
And, you know, ultimately, his conclusion is that it’s an illusion, right? Even if, like, I thought it was interesting, like he’d started talking, go like on another level where he’s like, Yeah, you know, you’re Lesley, but even Lesley’s an illusion. And I was like, okay, I might not be there quite yet. But, you know, I understand where he’s going with how the way we perceive ourselves the way we define ourselves, you know, our worldview, like, however you want to call this thing. You know, it’s a story we’ve made up, you know, whether that is a story that we were taught when we were kids, and we adopted and we’re holding that on to today? Or, you know, it’s something that we’ve told ourselves the whole time, you know, or or, you know, I just found it really interesting that his focus on breathwork was to battle ego.

Brad Crowell 20:26
Yeah, well, because the, the actual thing is that trauma leaves the body through movement and breath. So, I’m not denouncing therapy, I fucking love my therapist, but she’s also a somatic therapist. So we did a lot of like, different kinds of things there. But you can talk things out all you want. But if you really want to release some things in your life, it’s probably happening through your movement as well. So if you find yourself crying or frustrated

Lesley Logan 21:08
Well, what’s the book, the body never forgets?

Lesley Logan 21:40
The Body Keeps the Score.

Brad Crowell 21:41
The Body Keeps the Score. Yeah. And that very interesting, because the movement is what release release that the trauma through the like the book that we’re talking about in that book

Lesley Logan 21:53
Actually, just a little side note, we actually have a course on Profitable Pilates that is from a true therapist, licensed therapist. That is, I was really excited to get on our site, because as teachers, you don’t even want to be a teacher, you guys, if you have a friend who just like our family member or something like you’re like, what is happening, like, everything was good, and now you’re crying? And we’re like, It’s okay. You’re okay. Everything’s okay. Like when babies are crying like, you’re okay, you’re fine. What if you actually said, how long have you been feeling this way? How long have you been feeling this way. And that’s what (inaudible) gave us, as teachers to ask people, because I’ve had clients on myself, like you’re just crying. And it’s like, and you’re embarrassed and other stuff, and what the person says next can make you bottle it back up, or let it go. And if you’re someone who’s around someone who’s like, having some sort of release, and oftentimes don’t even know what they’re releasing, because we’re going back to Dr. Bender’s episode, she’s like, don’t try to reason with what you’re feeling. Because logic is probably going to be wrong. If you just say how long you’ve been feeling this way, it allows the person to just like take a moment and pause and actually kind of be with what they’re feeling as opposed to bottling it back in. And as a teacher, it is actually out of my scope to therapize anyone. So the next step, I could say is like, well, you know, if you feel like this is something you are needing to work on, you know, may I suggest a few things, right? So like, and then I can recommend, I actually cannot actually give true, like, go see this person technically. But that is something for those of you it’s a really great response and saying it’s okay, or I’m sorry, those two phrases, actually are not the best phrases as a response for someone who is releasing something from their body. And as a breathwork professional, when someone is crying in breathwork, actually, do try not to actually acknowledge it all. Because I don’t want them to, I don’t know what their tendencies are. So if their tendency is to do things for attention, if I were to acknowledge that then I could be going into that. So it is more important that you just release it, and then we don’t attach anything to it, that you just get to let it go like a cloud going by. So at any rate, I think it’s really important to know it’s okay to feel weird things when you’re moving.

Lesley Logan 22:10
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, uh, it’s been a long time since I’ve experienced that because I remember the reason that I started going to yoga in the first place, you know, because it just felt like trash. You know, in my mind, my body wasn’t like, hurting so much. But my I just felt like a terrible human. And, and it took a long time to work through that. But yoga really helped me in that movement. But just bringing it back to Christian overcoming the ego’s limitation is essential for self-awareness and spiritual growth and how do you overcome the ego? You have to understand how the ego mind works. And he has a book about that. And he actually has practical steps in that book. And the book is Awakening the Soul of Power.

Brad Crowell 24:34
You guys, Gloria Estefan, she wrote a little quote for him. And I’m sorry, Christian, I’m just gonna say this. I saw her name. And I was like, I love Gloria Estefan, so of course, I read your book. But I love it. It’s so good. I’m so glad I’m so grateful for Gloria Estefan.

Brad Crowell 25:58
But But in I thought, I thought what was interesting was that he has practical steps to understand the ego.

Lesley Logan 26:07
Yeah, which we all need to understand because there’s that there’s other there’s tons of books on ego. But

Brad Crowell 26:14
We’ve talked about ego as the enemy before.

Lesley Logan 26:16
Yeah. And also like, I’m sure it’s great. I know you’ve read it. But I also think like, great, it’s the enemy. Now what, what do you do about that? And that’s where I think Christian book comes in, because it’s like, here’s what the ego is, and here’s how you can work with it. And so you guys, if you are struggling with imposter syndrome, if you are people pleasing, if you’re playing small, it’s all ego

Brad Crowell 26:42
If you’re afraid to talk to people to sell them Pilates.

Lesley Logan 26:45
Right. Or if you are afraid to put your, ladies we already know this, the science is in, If you have nine out of 10 requirements for a job, you don’t apply. That’s ego. You think you need that 10th thing before you can apply for something, that’s your ego, you know.

Brad Crowell 27:03
Or if you feel like you need another certification in order to be qualified that’s also ego.

Lesley Logan 27:10
So um, so anyways, Christian is amazing, I really hope we get to run into him. I mean

Brad Crowell 27:17
He’s like bopping around the wall.

Lesley Logan 27:18
Bopping around, but if you have like a retreat or something and like, you know, send your girl a note.

Brad Crowell 27:25
I think he does. He did mention retreats.

Lesley Logan 27:27
Oh, we should go on one. What a vacation.

Brad Crowell 27:29
That’d be amazing.

Lesley Logan 27:30
Let’s do it. I’m in. Okay, I’m in. Whatever it is, I’m in.

Brad Crowell 27:34
All right, so finally, let’s talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items, can we take away from your convo with Christian de la Huerta. He said, deepen your relationship with the breath. Because doing so can change your life. He talked about short, long, breathwork sessions, like could be 30 seconds, it could be 90 minutes. One thing he also mentioned that I thought was interesting was it’s the exhale that people don’t focus on. Because when you don’t exhale enough, you end up taking in you’re inhaling really shallow breaths.

Lesley Logan 28:16
Yeah. And Joseph Pilates was really big on the exhale. He said if you don’t exhale, your lungs are a cemetery for disease and infection.

Brad Crowell 28:24
Well, I mean, it affects everything. You know.

Lesley Logan 28:28
Also shallow breath just starts causing stress. So.

Brad Crowell 28:31
But uh, you know, he said that, it can, if you want, he started talking about putting a timer on your phone, where you can just take a quick evaluation of yourself, like, every hour on the hour, like, use that to be like, how do I feel right now? You know, do I, should I do (inhale-exhale) you know, like, can you how can that like, what happens if you do that? You know, and you also complimented him on how he looks? And he’s like, I attribute it to breathwork 100%.

Brad Crowell 28:31
Because he’s not. He’s young, obviously.

Brad Crowell 28:39
But he’s been doing this for 30 years.

Lesley Logan 28:45
He how old is he? Because I think we (inaudible) his age.

Brad Crowell 28:58
He didn’t say.

Lesley Logan 28:59
Oh, okay, well, I feel like I know. And he looks really good.

Brad Crowell 29:20
Yes. But he said that it’s about becoming more mindful, attentive and more aware of what’s going on within us when you notice your breath. What about you?

Lesley Logan 29:30
Okay, so he said, we talked about missed opportunities, and the things we don’t intend to do because we’re fear of failure. But he actually believes there’s no such thing as failure. Because if you learn from it, then it’s not failure at all. We’re actually becoming better human beings from it. And what I I really love about that is like if there’s anything you feel you failed at, what if you actually just took a look back what you learned from that? And then can you just change that from failure to experience or achievement even, you know like God I fucking I you know what? I’m so pissed at the A’s straight A’s and the F’s from the great I’m not saying I’m for everyone gets a trophy. I’m not that girl. Don’t worry about it. There’s a ton of psychology on how that doesn’t work. But the fact that we are so obsessed as children at a certain age, it happens around Junior High sixth grade with what letter is on your report card, which is just how you test, it has nothing to do with the journey that got you to the test, pisses me the fuck off because it made me this overachiever just fucking stressed case sometimes. Thank God for breathwork and my (inaudible) mat and my red lights and all the things. But I, what I hope as a recovering perfectionist and overachiever, I have been able to do is like, I am very proud of how we do not harp on the goals we’ve missed. We really do go, well, we didn’t do that. Okay, we didn’t do that. We should have done this. Okay, we didn’t do that. Okay, well, what can like we do it as a team, which makes it really helpful. So may I suggest, you don’t need to have a teammate to do this, but before you start harping on yourself about something you didn’t do well, I don’t know. Maybe you introduced yourself, weirdly, or you like stumbled into an interview and like you feel like you embarrass yourself. Just take a moment and go what did I learn from that? And what if that isn’t a failure? And by the way, if your best friend told you about this, would you go you fucking failed? God, you, like you wouldn’t do it. So like, what would you say if your best… jeez, you suck. Like, God, how many times are you gonna fail? Like, what if you treated yourself in that moment, like your best friend went through that and what would you say to that person? Right. So Christian, can we be friends? Okay, sign me up for the next retreat. I’m in. And also, thank you for being here. And this amazing book is just wonderful. And it’s the next read y’all so check out the show notes and get your version.

Lesley Logan 29:44
All right, loves I’m Lesley Logan.

Lesley Logan 32:11
And I’m Brad Crowell and you just missed the hilarious joke.

Lesley Logan 32:16
We’re amazing.

Brad Crowell 32:17
We’re amazing.

Lesley Logan 32:18
So is Christian. So are you. So how are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag the Be It Pod. Tag Christian, he’s gonna want to hear from you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 32:28
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘Bloom Podcast Network’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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Lesley Logan
Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velasquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell
Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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