Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It podcast interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the liberating conversation I have with Giselle Schroer (Brad: That’s right) in our last episode, period. (Brad and Lesley laughs) If you haven’t yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now. Go back and listen to that one. And then come back and join us or listen to this one then go back and listen that one and see if our takeaways match your takeaways, (Brad: Yeah) you do you.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, you know, someone said to me that they listen to the interview first. And then they guess at the interview points that we’re going to cover during our recap (Lesley: That’s fine) the following episode, and they try to figure out if they identify the same things that we’re talking about… I thought that was cool.

Lesley Logan
You know what, somehow we should do a contest and have people like submit their takeaways to see, I don’t know how you do a blind though, because like, I want to make sure that they don’t think that we’re being fishy to see what their takeaways are to make our takeaways but I want people to have to submit, you know, like that marriage, that marriage contest like newlyweds? (Brad: Oh, yeah) Where like they asked a question, but you’d already written your answer down. You flip the card up. I want to do that. How do we do that?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, we’re gonna parking lot that idea for now, but I like it and I’m in…

Lesley Logan
When we do live podcast recaps.

Brad Crowell
Oh, that will be fun. That could be fun.

Lesley Logan
That can be fun. Okay, anyways,

Brad Crowell
Good idea. Let’s talk about that later … (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan
Ideas parking lot. Okay, y’all, Brad,

Brad Crowell
Tell me!

Lesley Logan
I’m so freakin’ stoked. (Brad: Oh, good.) It’s only a few days away that we kick off our fourth 100withme challenge the “Me, Myself and I” themed one… 30 (Brad: That’s right) days of self care, being first in your life, filling your cup first … (Brad: building healthy habits) in a really awesome safe container because I am not going to let you judge on yourself, shit on yourself, beat on yourself. All the negative self talk if you miss a day (Brad: All the self) Yeah, if you miss a day, we are going to change the way that the curves pass in your brain that go from when you miss doing something you wanted to do for yourself to how you think about yourself afterward. We’re changing that. So … (Brad: I like it) Anyways, (Brad: it’s important.) We have hundreds of people signed up.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, hundreds, literally hundreds (Lesley: It’s insane.) Yes. And there’s still room for more. So, if you are not yet signed up, go to 100withme.com. (Lesley: 100) Join us, you don’t want to miss this is actually going to be a huge party. It’s gonna be I think, even more exciting than any of the other ones we’ve had just because we have a lot more people involved (Lesley: We have ton…) So it’s really cool.

Lesley Logan
We have ton of people celebrating their fourth 100withme, (Brad: Yeah, good for them) We got to figure out (Brad: We love them) how to give them an OG shirt but (Lesley laughs) but we want, everyone, we want you to join, too because here’s the thing like, in… when you change your environment, you actually can make changes in your life in a way that actually sticks. And so bring your friends because then you really do change your environment when you’re outside of this challenge. But also, you’ll all be in this environment together. I’m not going to let you like shit all of yourself, I’m going to help you even if it’s five minutes a day, we’re gonna create consistency in your life, even if it’s five minutes a day, because …

Brad Crowell
Yeah, look, the reality is a lot of people – what I’ve noticed, because I’m the numbers guy looking at everything, and I’m literally seeing every post that’s happening is – half the people start. Like if if 100% started and they are posting and it’s exciting. Half of them stop in like a week (Lesley: And then they aren’t …) and they don’t come back … They actually just dip out and they’re like, “I fucked it up, I’m out.”

Lesley Logan
Yeah, they’re and we, and that really bothered me. So, I actually started because I don’t actually if you miss a day, it doesn’t hurt me, my feelings. I don’t even … we just troubleshoot and figure out how to help you do this in a different way. That’s how I see it. But I had I actually had to go study with a behavior scientists to figure out, “Why this happened? Why do people stop just because they missed a day” and what I found out is everybody does this. You’re not alone if you do this. (Brad: Yeah) Everybody is like super highly motivated in the beginning. They do things and then of course, motivation is fickle. We know this it wanes and then they miss a day because life freakin happened. (Brad: Yeah) And they think, “Oh, I just have to stop,” (Brad: which is totally normal and understandable) for they miss a week. And they’re like, I just thought it’s like, actually, no, we figure out what happened so we can make changes. So when life happens in the future, you don’t have to go, “Oh, that’s another thing, I can’t commit to another (Brad: Well…) thing that I didn’t finish.”

Brad Crowell
We could quote Giselle Schroer here, (Lesley: Oh, that’s cool) let’s she actually said, “Every single step, no matter how small, is a step in the right direction.” (Lesley: Frickin love it.) And she said that in the last episode, and so it’s totally applicable here. You know, if you get started in this episo… or in this challenge, and then, you know, in week two, like, you know, something crazy happens in life, and it pulls you completely out of it. Come back and join us for week three, it’s okay, you know, like … We are not here to judge you, we’re not here to like, you know, put you down because you didn’t finish… that’s ridiculous. That’s not what we’re all about, you … know, you know that by now. So, if you’re not, in, or even if you’re like, “I know, I’m gonna be traveling for two weeks,” we don’t care. Join us for anyway, (Lesley: join us for anyways, because…) Yeah. Meet the community, it’s an incredible group of people.

Lesley Logan
100%. And you will also learn how you can do part of something while you’re traveling. So you can keep doing the things that fill your cup first, because (Brad: Yeah) when you’re traveling, because we travel a lot to see family, and I do my my walks, I do my workout to do my things. Why? So that I can hang out my family, and feel frickin’ awesome doing it. So we’re gonna help you figure out ways that work for you in smaller, tiny steps, like Giselle said, so that you can actually feel frickin’ good about yourself and, and live life for 30 days with all this dopamine going on. Like you don’t have to do 30 minute workouts, you can do five minute workouts.

Brad Crowell
Well, … this, this ties right into our audience question, (Lesley: Yeah) which was this week, “What do you do for self care?” And, I know we have a handful of different things. But one of the things that I love to do for self care is travel. And so, you know, getting just changing my environment, whether that is like a quick travel where I’m like, “I want to go work from the coffee shop today.” I used to do that all the time, less so now because it COVID and all the things, but it’s starting to shift again and open up again. Or it’s actually traveling like, like, “Let’s go to Maui, or let’s go to you know, see my folks” like you’re just saying, seeing family, whatever. And you know, what is so awesome is that when you start to build those good habits, those good routines, you can take that with you on the road.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, they’re super good. So let’s talk about this audience question… anyways, before you do that, get your booty signed up for the challenge. (Brad: 100withme.com) Okay, so this question, I really love it. I love that you mentioned travel and stuff like that. And I know that you don’t use travel as a reward for anything. So this isn’t… that answer doesn’t apply to this. But I think oftentimes, a lot of people think of self care things like massages, facials, (Brad: Sure) even like going shopping as like a reward for doing something like, “Oh, you know, I did this thing, I’m gonna go get a facial” and and I don’t believe that self care should be treated as rewards for anything. It should absolutely 100% be kind of like the way you think of how much you have to drink water. Like it’s essential for your survival on this planet. (Brad: Yeah) So one of the things Brad does for self care is like change in his environment and getting out and like in doing those things, he has other things he’ll share. But I do a lot of things for self care. (Brad: Yeah) So, I actually treat my facials as routine, (Lesley laughs) not a reward. But my self care really does start with, I don’t have like, it has to be an hour of this and an hour of that, or twen… It’s like, I just know that my mornings have to be my self care. And then I have other things I do throughout the day. I don’t know if I’ve shared this, but I also have blocks of time that I have, because I’m someone who, if my schedules are blocked off, things get scheduled in it. So there are blocks of time during my day that are just whitespace and then there’s a list of things I can choose from to do (Brad: Yeah) that are self care, some of that’s breathwork, sometimes it’s reading a book. Sometimes it’s going for an extra walk or calling a friend but like I have a list of things that are self care for me and so it doesn’t have to be a workout. It doesn’t have to be facials, massages, but it does have to make you feel energized when it’s over. So, I would just ask yourself like if you’re unsure because I know some of you right now are like beyond the need for self care like you’re you’re (Brad: burnt out, fried) burnt out and the gasoline gauge is like beyond empty and you are on fumes someone is pushing your car up the road to a gas station 10 miles away. Just have to look back at the pictures where you see yourself smiling the most and look at what you’re doing. Put that in your list of thing to do for self care. I promise you, it’s gonna make you feel freakin awesome. Well …

Brad Crowell
Well, I think also it starts with sleep. (Lesely: Oh, Brad … self care) And that’s I’m like, I’m not great at sleep. But I’ve started this past year with COVID. What I decided to do was take a nap when I’m tired. Like, if it’s four o’clock, and I’m done, I’ll close my eyes for 20 minutes. You know, (Lesley: Sometimes you does it at noon) Yeah, it just depends if I’m like completely fried because what I’ve realized is that I’m not, if I can’t think well, I’m not serving anybody. I’m not helping me, I’m not actually getting it done, I’m not helping our team. I’m not writing, I’m not focused, I’m just sitting there doing nothing, it’s better for me to sleep than it is to actually pretend that I can get something done.

Lesley Logan
Well and everything takes longer when you don’t fill your cup. When you are not full, (Brad: Yeah) filled, like, like going back to the gasoline, it takes longer to get gas, if you run out of gas. Like you have to push the car to the place and then you got to fill the whole tank up, not a quarter of the tank, they’ll have the entire tank, our van’s tank is crazy big, it is insanity. So you just, you don’t want to wait until you’re at empty to do your self care when you need it, you do it and if it’s part of your routine, it’s even better.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, yeah, that’s, (Lesley: I love it) that’s an interesting analogy, but we’ll go with it for this one. I think that it’s applicable. It’s a good visual. (Lesley: Well, I’ve run out of gas many times.) (Brad laughs) So, but I (Lesley laughs) but you know, also too, I often, like for me, self care is turning my brain off. And I do that by watching a movie, watching movie I don’t have to think about, you know, so whatever that movie might be the the point is, at the end of my day, instead of like, sitting there, thinking about reflecting back on my day and thinking and like letting my mind continue to mull over the problems I’m trying to solve. I will stop that by watching a movie or entertaining my brain so that it’s just easy not to have to think (Lesley: Yeah) so that’s one of the things that I do for sure.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I want to hear what other people do for self care because … (Brad: Yeah: What do you do for self care?) I want to hear like the craziest, coolest things do you do for self care. There’s, I mean, the list is endless. It’s also super personal. (Brad: Yeah) So, but it should be part of your daily routine… (Brad: No, not daily. Doesn’t have to be daily.) No, I think self care, I think self care is daily.

Brad Crowell
No. Well, sure … I don’t think that all of the self care is daily, like getting your nails done. You don’t get that done daily. Right? (Lesley: Right) Like, so …

Lesley Logan
True. True. True. But but getting your nails done is not a reward for doing something your life is just part of things that make you happy and that’s okay. (Brad: Yeah, exactly.) Okay, so correct. You, self care as a thing on your day is essential. What that ends up being doesn’t have you (Brad: You can change) change. You can change. (Brad: Yeah) Correct. (Brad: Totally) I’m glad we made that clear. (Brad: Yeah) Alright.

Brad Crowell
Okay, now let’s talk about Giselle Schroer. (Lesley: Yeah!) Giselle Schroer is a mom of two boys. She’s they are crazy, crazy, busy boys, as she describes. She’s a health and nutrition coach and she is a certified personal trainer. She helps women to learn to love and nurture their bodies from the inside out through a balanced approach to health and fitness. She started her own coaching programs, working in group settings, and also one on one. And, I think that when I wrote this into, this intro, this bio to her I kind of didn’t really talk enough about food, because for her nutrition is priority number one. And she, well, you know, if you listen to her interview, you know why, because she talks about how the lack of taking care of herself actually did not serve her at all, later on in life. She’s 40 now, I think she said she’s 40. And she, you know, but when she was in her teens and 20s, you know, had had eating disorders and a lot of really food issues with food, a terrible relationship with food, and also over exercising, overworking out. And so today, like roughly 10 years ago, she decided, you know, they wanted to have children and that really changed her path. And she realized, like, “Wow, I didn’t set myself up for this at all (Lesley: Yeah) from a physical perspective.” And so she is now helping women go through that battle of, how do you see food in a healthy way? And how do you see working out in a healthy way? As opposed to the unhealthy portrayal that we get from magazines and TV and movies and blah, blah, blah, you know, and anyway, it just was a really refreshing conversation with her because I think liberating is an appropriate word. (Lesley: Yeah) Because I think that where she came from to where she is today is, it’s a huge win and I’m like, so happy for her. And I thought, like the way she talked about it made it tangible. You know, like, I, wow, okay, maybe that’s like something that we should all be talking about.

Lesley Logan
100%. I, I brought her on, because I’m lucky to be around a bunch of women who are in the fitness and wellness industry. And what I love about each woman that I’m bringing on in that industry is it’s not what the magazines talk about when it comes to, what health and healthy lives and healthy bodies look like, they all are so … such a proponent of like, being your your best self and loving the body that you have. And, and the way she sees food is just such an, it is liberating that’s a good word for it. I love that.

Brad Crowell
Yeah.

Lesley Logan
Okay, so something that I took away from her interview, and I may have shared this in her episode, but if not, I’m sure I’ll share it again. But she talked about being your own health advocate. And there’s something you know, really important about that if you haven’t listened to past episodes, you might not know that I suffered for stomach issues for years. And I went to doctors, and they literally didn’t listen to me, or they kept trying to give me pills that just mask the symptoms that didn’t actually solve the problem. And I, I don’t know who told me that I could tell people, “No,” or just find other doctors. But it’s so important that if you are going through something that does not feel normal in your body, that if you don’t get an answer that actually gets to the solution of the problem that you keep searching. We have so many friends in our lives who have different interesting issues. And so many times doctors don’t really know so well, here’s this pill that’s going to mask those symptoms, but doesn’t solve the problem. And if I hadn’t been my own health advocate, I don’t think I don’t know that I’d be here, I would not be doing this with you. Because I was really, I was really not in a good healthy spot for a long time. So everyone, please be your own health advocate.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, and we are lucky enough that one of our team members, Lindsay, actually teaches people how to be a health advocate, in fact, (Lesley: Yeah. She made a course for us) she she did, she made a course for us at Profitable Pilates and she did a webinar for our coaching group on the power and the value of being your own health advocate,

Lesley Logan
And also how to help others be their advocate. So there’s a lot of tools for like, if you have someone in your life, who you can see is not getting the help that they want or not being seen in the medical industry the way that they want to be seen, teach them how they can do that. It’s really freakin cool.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, check out the course, it’s go to ProfitablePilates.com and look at the courses and you’ll find one from Lindsay, Lindsay Moore. And it’s about how to be your own health advocate. It’s great. Um (Lesley: What do you love?) So, yeah, so okay, so this was interesting. I don’t know if I loved this (Lesley laughs) so much as I related to it. So she talked about how you know, she’s 5’10” and was, you know, underweight, a lot underweight. And she was, you know, for her body, she should have been eating, you know, at least 1500 calories a day, but she was only eating 1200 calories a day. Or maybe she was just using it as an example, I can’t actually remember. But she was talking about how, you know, when you are eating so little, when you do end up eating, you know, the recommended more calories per day then what you’re currently eating, your body doesn’t know what to do with it, because it goes into mode, the mode of like, well, I guess I need to survive on 1200 a day. So when you eat 1500 or 1800 calories and it’s like, “Extra food, I’ll store it as fat!” Right? And it really jacks up your system even though your quote unquote “eating a normal serving,” right. So what (Lesley: You did air quotes there) I did, I did the air quotes, I did that. (Lesley laughs) I also did say quote unquote, I did say that.

Lesley Logan
Okay, you did. (Brad laughs) That’s true quote unquote, (Brad: quote unquote)

Brad Crowell
But basically, she was talking about weight and, you know, weighing, it’s okay to weigh more. (Lesley: Yeah) It’s so in you, you know, eating the appropriate amount of food. And this is counterintuitive, because I know that, you know, when you think about food, generally the generalization is, “Oh, I’m over eating, I’m eating too much.” Right? And I actually, personally had the opposite problem. I wasn’t eating enough and I didn’t even know I wasn’t eating enough. And because I don’t have a scale in my house and I hardly look in the mirror. I would just go to the office and I would always skip breakfast. I was in a very emotionally difficult time in my life. And I was going to the office, I would never eat breakfast and then I throw myself into work, I’d have coffee, and then, you know, all of a sudden it’d be like, “Oh, shit, it’s three o’clock, I gotta leave here at 5:30, anyway, I might as well not even take lunch, I’ll just keep working. And then I’ll leave here at five so that I can get home and I can eat dinner.” And then I’ll go home, and I would eat a whole pizza, or I’d make a steak or whatever. And at the end of the day, the literally the only thing I’d eaten was dinner, which was maybe I was gorging myself, and I was still only eating 1200 1500 calories. Right? And, and …

Lesley Logan
If that I mean, you don’t unders… like it’s hard to eat a lot of calories in one sitting.

Brad Crowell
Right? You know, so and then and then, but but but, you know, compound that by six months of doing that, you know, and I lost 10 pounds, and I didn’t have 10 pounds to lose. But I didn’t even realize I had lost 10 pounds, (Lesley: Yeah) right? And then, you know, a friend of mine was like, “Bro, are you like, are you okay? … like, you look thin.” I was like, “What? No, I’m fine.” And they’re like, “Are you sure? Like go weigh yourself,” I weighed 10 pounds less than what I thought I weighed. And it was actually a legit challenge to learn when and how to eat appropriately, you know, so that I was actually trying to get in roughly 2000 calories a day, right, or at least more than what I was eating before. So it started off with me by getting a calorie counting app, which is something that Giselle talked about. Because I was actually counting… it for me it was a wake up call to how little I was actually eating.

Lesley Logan
And the thing is, is that literally food is your fuel. It really really is and …

Brad Crowell
Coffee is not your fuel. As much as we love coffee. (Brad laughs)

Lesley Logan
I friggin love, it is a superfood. But the the thing that I’ve seen in the fitness industry is just that, like so many of my clients are under eating. And most of my clients are women, my athletes, my athletes were definitely very fueled. We can learn something from them, they are like very intentional about their fueling. (Brad: Right) But so many of the women that I would train, they were under eating, and they were wondering why they didn’t look different or didn’t feel different. And it’s because what we don’t understand is that we have we’re relationship with food. And the… and Giselle talks about that such as negative and positives when it comes to it. And so I just think it’s really important if you are at all interested in making sure that you’re fueling yourself correctly, you definitely want to hire a nutritionist, this is something that like I added I ended up having to do, because after so many years of stomach issues, I was told, “Can’t eat that. Can’t eat that. Can’t eat that,” we got down to like, not, you know, a lot of things… and, and because of how busy my life is that wasn’t good enough for me. Like, I couldn’t live off of that. I didn’t feel fueled. I felt exhausted all the time. I felt (Brad: Yeah) depressed and hangry. And …

Brad Crowell
And you would come home from the studio and go to sleep.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. And so anyways, when I met with a nutritionist, she actually helped me figure out what foods worked for me. And it’s very personal specific thing, this is not something… you don’t want to pull off diets off the internet. And I don’t, and diets don’t mean that you’re going on a diet, diets means the way you eat your food. (Brad: Yeah) So super, super important something that I have stru… I was striving for for so long, and I feel very successful at now is that like, I don’t live on a restrictive lifestyle of how I eat. And I eat for fuel so I can do things like this, I can talk with all of you so I can film, so I can coach, so I can be present. And so I think …

Brad Crowell
Well, let’s talk more about that in the next section.

Lesley Logan
Okay, but anyways, I really do. I did love that she also brought up it’s okay to weigh more, because I also think that we, I think very few women are very confident in how they look and that’s based on how the media tells us what is pretty. And one of the things that I have seen, just in being a trainer is how different sizes can do amazingly awesome things. And so it is not about what you weigh and it’s really all about how you feel. And so (Brad: Yeah) please take that as a note, because it’s really important to me that people just feel good and feel strong in their body.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Well, that’s, that’s one of the things she said about 10 times in the last episode. It’s like, “You don’t even know how good you can feel (Lesley: Yeah) until you know, you feel good. (Lesley: Right) And, and I was like, “Wow, that’s…”

Lesley Logan
… It’s like such a simple things (Brad: so profound) and also so profound. Yeah,

Brad Crowell
Yeah, it’s so liberating.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, yeah. Alright. So um,

Brad Crowell
Alright. Finally, let’s talk about the Be It action items from your convo with Giselle Schroer. What bold, executable intrinsic or targeted actions, can we take away from your convo with her? Why don’t you go first? (Lesley: Oh!) We could pick up that thought.

Lesley Logan
So, hire health coach, (Brad: Right) because as I mentioned, I had a nutritionist, I actually have hired many health coaches to help me out. Y’all, I definitely had some some bad stuff going on. So, I hired somebody, after being my own advocate, I found someone who did these, like 278 tests on my body, and (Brad: 278?) …8 tests (Brad: 278 tests) and I did it twice. And then (Brad: A couple, a couple years apart.) Yup. And then from and then I realized, like, how much better I was doing, I also started working with a holistic doctor who we have coming up on the podcast, and she definitely continued to help me save my own life. And then I also work with a nutritionist, so I could really figure out what foods worked for me, which ones actually made me feel super strong and able to have energy. And, also …

Brad Crowell
I think that’s one of the most like, that’s like, the biggest misnomer or, you know, misunderstanding is like, you know, again, that food pyramid … garbage, the the, you know, this guy who Lesley worked with, designed the diets of astronauts. (Lesley: Yeah) Okay, so …

Lesley Logan
Because they all can’t eat the same thing … They have to have different things, because we’re all different.

Brad Crowell
Well think about it. You know, you say that first off, you say that, like, “Oh, of course, the astronauts have to be at absolutely peak performance optimal, the best they could possibly be, you know, operating,” because, you know, of the mission of going into space, like they don’t get a second try, right. It’s not like you swap them out. So those guys have to have their, their, you know, they have to be operating at the best possible place that could be. And so consequently, they each have their own diet based on their own body and the blood and all the things (Lesley: Yeah) and like all this stuff. So when you say that, it’s like, “Well, of course, why would they not?” But then somehow we forget to continue with that logic … because it’s the same for us. (Lesley: Yeah) You know, why would it be any different for us? Like, I know, we’re not going into space but still, if they’re designing a custom nutrition diet for someone who needs to be opera… operating at peak performance? You know, we could take lessons from that for sure.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I yeah. So, y’all, I mean, just if you are not feeling like you are, like, running at your optimal performance, it’s so like, awareness is key. And then ask around, like, find people who will like who can help you, find a health coach that will help you, find a nutritionist or hire someone to do some blood work on you. Go… (Brad: Or you could talk to Giselle), you could talk to Giselle. I mean, like, honestly, it is, it is really, it’s really, really important to me, because you you are the only person who can do what you do. And you can’t do it if you are not fueled. Can’t do it.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. So, I think you know, hiring a coach to help you through the process is very, very straightforward, obvious step.

Lesley Logan
Also save… Okay, not so obvious because for my stomach issues, because I had so many problems with doctors, I tried to do it myself. And we were like, do you remember the time we stopped cooking with oil?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I remember.

Lesley Logan
We didn’t cook with oil!

Brad Crowell
For six months…

Lesley Logan
I promise you…

Brad Crowell
It was annoying…

Lesley Logan
And it wasn’t even the oil. (Brad: No) So here’s what I’m gonna say. Just I know, it costs money, I know it does. But your time is also money (Brad: Yeah) and your health is not something to screw up with, as you heard from Giselle, like what happened with her and her desire to have children was totally affected by her not being fueled correctly. And by not like taking care of her health. So … (Brad: Right, prior to that. Yeah) prior to that (Brad: Exactly) So, everyone listening, ladies and my gentlemen, too. But ladies, this is not something to DIY. Hire an expert and if you don’t like that expert, find someone you trust. Find someone you like, ask your friends. Listen to the last episode, we talked about your one referral away. You’re wha… I’m literally the people who saved my life are all people I was referred, too. (Brad: Yeah) There you go. What did you like? What was your Be It one?

Brad Crowell
Yeah. So for me, it was about stress. And she said, she was talking about like self image and body image and body awareness, but she said, “Unfollow, and get rid of negativity in your life.” (Lesley: Yeah) Obviously, she’s talking about social media and what she was specifically talking about, like, when you’re, you know, changing the way you, changing your relationship with food. It will, it would serve you to also change the things you’re consuming, you know, in your from your social media. So she talked about getting rid of the things that make you feel guilty, of getting rid of the things that make you feel that shame that (Lesley: Yeah) that start that … conversation of beating yourself up. I I had a different connection with that, in that for me, it was actually quitting my job, was this negativity that was in my life. And it was like a crushing weight of stress. You know, and, you know, guilt and fear and like like to the point were my cell phone would ring and my heart would jump into my throat. You know, and like, I mean, I would wake up in a panic and and I didn’t even know how I got that deep into, like the stress and the fear of that thing. And, and I was just talking with him about this with someone about this just a few days ago, it literally took me six months after leaving that job for my stress levels to, for me to realize what was a, what was a quote unquote “normal amount of stress,” as opposed to the insanely high stress environment that I used to work in, which was unbelievably unhealthy.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. I really love this. She had some great ones actually but this one was really great, because I do think it’s really easy for us to go, “Okay, I’m going to do this for my routine. I’m going to do this for my habits.” And then we open up our Instagram, and we see all these things that like literally make us not feel good about ourselves. (Brad: Sure) And you can mute things on some channels, you can hide for 30 days, like Facebook has, like unfollow for 30 days, or Instagram has like a mute whatever. It doesn’t mean it’s forever. It just (Brad: Yeah) like, I actually think it’s so important that we take responsibility for the things that like put us on a downward spiral. And there was a time when I literally had to, I went into my podcast, and I took all of our news podcasts, and I just literally was like, “Don’t download, Don’t show me, Don’t download … all of them.” And I just went for three months wasn’t even a long time I made this a long time, a lot of people, it was I left one up so I could stay in the know and I just did that. And I’m not kidding, my creativity came back, my energy came back, some things came back. And then when I was able to control my reaction to those things, then I was able to add some of those podcasts back in. And so (Brad: Sure) I think it’s so important for us to go realize that, you know, when you’re not in a great place when the muscles like think of it or like ability to deal with negativity, and all those things, think of it as a muscle, when you go to the gym and you haven’t been to the gym in a long time picking up a 50 pound weight, not good, you might be able to do it not gonna be fun the next day, right, it’s not gonna make you feel good. But if you were to start and get stronger, like sort of five pounds and add 15, whatever, you get stronger, then you got to pick that big amount. It’s like super easy. So once I was able to get myself to a place where I could handle like filtering things that are not embodying the things are making me feel, oh, then I added them back in and I was able to go, that’s that thing. I don’t actually have to take that on. And so I just think it’s really important for us.

Brad Crowell
I think that’s a, that’s like so, such a parallel to the conversation, and to what Giselle was saying about her relationship with food. When she was younger, she was so connected to the way she wanted to look and so she starved herself. She over exercise, she did not eat anything healthy, right, to, you know, to achieve this look and she really damaged her body. And then, you know, but then like, how is it today that she’s like winning? Like, you know, she’s 10 years ago is when she started to change her relationship with food. And her changed wasn’t like, flip the next day. No, it was a slow conversation, a mental battle, right? And so kind of what you’re describing about hitting pause for three months, and then slowly bringing it back in when you’re in a different place and you can think about it differently. That’s kind of what Giselle was talking about, too, (Lesley: Yeah) with how she slowly began to change the way she, you know thinks about food, thinks about exercise.

Lesley Logan
It’s, it’s just amazing. And if you’re listening to this, and you’re struggling with anything right now, please, if you don’t hire a health coach, at least seek out a therapist in the area of (Brad: Yeah) fitness and nutrition, disordered eating, you’re not alone, and especially right now is a, is something that is really happening because what else do we have control over except for like, how much we move or what we eat? And so please do not at all, build shame around that. And if you know someone who’s going through this, (Brad: Yeah) help them be their own advocate. (Brad: Yeah. Amazing!) Alright, I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Thank you so much for joining us today, everyday whenever you listen to this it brings me so much joy, it brings us so much joy. We love talking about the takeaways and your reviews, your reviews are insane. (Brad: Yeah) They’re so freakin heartfelt and I they they make me cry. (Brad: They’re very encouraging) Thank you!

Brad Crowell
Thank you!

Lesley Logan
So, let us know how you’re going to use any of these tips in your life by to screenshoting this episode, posting on Instagram and tag us (Brad: or leaving it and a review) or leave it and a review and and then send us a DM. (Brad: Yeah) We we love hearing from you, love knowing who is listening to this, wherever you’re listening from and we will catch you on the next episode. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell
Bye for now.

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Lesley Logan
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Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Kevin and Bel at Disenyo handle all of our audio editing and some social media content.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all the video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.