Finding Your Focus When

Balancing Multiple Pursuits

Ep. 305 with Lesley & Brad

“If you are struggling with your motivation, I want you to look at your habits.”

Lesley Logan

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Show Notes

How do you find the balance between self-love and tough love? In this episode, Brad and Lesley unpack the takeaways and action steps from singer-songwriter Janey Brown, highlighting her fearless journey in performing, academia, self-discovery, and why discipline is more important than motivation.

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In this episode you will learn about:

  • Why you need to balance self-love and tough love to achieve your goals.
  • The humbling experience and trying to balance multiple pursuits.
  • Why discipline and not motivation is what you need to help you show up for yourself.
  • The beneficial way to be more in tune with your gut.

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Lesley Logan: Where motivation lacks discipline must live yeah and we have talked about this before if you’ve listened to any via pod you probably have heard someone or myself say there’s like motivation is not going to get you very far fickle friend it’s like a friend and so discipline habits are the things you need to help you show up for yourself.


Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.


Lesley Logan 1:08

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life are going to dig into the per (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 1:14
Did you do that on purpose? (inaudible)

Lesley Logan 1:17
We’re gonna dig into the perspicacious… did you choose this word?

Brad Crowell 1:24
That was right except you laughed so nobody could understand you. So what is the word?

Lesley Logan 1:29
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life are going to dig into the perspicacious convo. Why? Why did you pick this word? I know Bel didn’t pick this word.

Brad Crowell 1:41
I didn’t pick this word.

Lesley Logan 1:43
Bel picked this word?

Lesley Logan 1:44
Bel picked this word.

Lesley Logan 1:45
Bel, I can’t. I have, I went to speech therapy. These are too many S’s and P’s together.

Brad Crowell 1:50

Lesley Logan 1:52
Perspicacious convo. Well, anyways, it was a deep convo I had with Janey Brown in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened to the interview, feel free to pause this now go back and listen to that one and then come back and join us or if you’d like to listen to this one and then go back and listen to that one. That’s great. You can do you.

Brad Crowell 2:09
Do it.

Lesley Logan 2:10
Today, if you’re listening in real time is December 21, 2023, and is the winter solstice. The winter solstice marks a day with the shortest period of daylight, a.k.a. everyone’s worst nightmare, and the longest night of the year in the northern hemisphere. All thanks to the tilt of the earth and in many cultures today is a day of feasting and celebration but even if you’re totally agnostic, you can still find a reason to rejoice because after today, you’ll see gradually shorter nights and longer days, which means it’s better. It’s better when there’s more daylight. It’s better. It’s a real thing. Seasonal Affective Disorder is a real thing.

Brad Crowell 2:49
Oh, I do not disagree.

Lesley Logan 2:51
Thank you. Thank goodness, I have a red light therapy system on SaunaSpace. Check the links in the bio we’ll get you the discount code because you will need it on this day. So we are currently on tour, I believe, as we speak we’re in Brooklyn, tomorrow we’re in Manhattan. We and then we are in Hershey and away a few days off before Greensboro,

Brad Crowell 3:12
North Carolina

Lesley Logan 3:13
Charleston, that’s in South Carolina, Miami, Sarasota,

Brad Crowell 3:20
Austin, Texas, Dallas, Albuquerque, and then

Lesley Logan 3:23
And Sedona,

Brad Crowell 3:24
Sedona, Arizona.

Lesley Logan 3:27
Yes, I’m sure they appreciate how you said that state name. Anyways, after the tour, I’m going to kick off eLevate my fourth round of my mentorship program. So there might be a spotlight when you listen to this.

Lesley Logan 3:39
There might be.

Lesley Logan 3:39
There might be. You definitely don’t want to wait till 2025, just gonna say it.

Brad Crowell 3:43
There’s still time to get in. The kickoff calls on in early January but the first weekend of workshops is actually not until February.

Lesley Logan 3:52
Yeah. So you’ll want to go to for that. Or shoot me a message and we’re gonna call to chat about it.

Brad Crowell 4:00
Why would they do it with a one liner? Why would they do it?

Lesley Logan 4:02
You’re burning out tired of feeling like you don’t know what you’re doing and you pre-plan away too much only for your client to come in with broken arms. So it’s for all of you who are trying to be perfect in your teaching guess what, there’s no such thing and it actually helps you understand the why behind the what because my teacher was one of those Pilates clients.

Brad Crowell 4:21
I love that, understand the why behind the what.

Lesley Logan 4:24
Yeah, it’s not about being a parrot, y’all. Then later in January, we’re going to open up the doors for early bird for Cambodia, the space is super limited and those on the waitlist for that are going to get the best early bird option rate.

Brad Crowell 4:40
Oh yeah, we’re going in October. But we’re going to start the kickoff and all that kind of stuff in January. So stay tuned for that. You can get on the waitlist at with an S.

Lesley Logan 4:53
Yeah. And then in February it’s Agency Mini number 10.

Brad Crowell 4:59
Holy macaroni.

Lesley Logan 5:01
Yeah, dop. What’s 10 in Cambodian? Dop?

Brad Crowell 5:04

Lesley Logan 5:05
Dop, dop, dop. Yeah. So and then the 10th one, and it’s really, really exciting. So Pilates teachers out there that one is for you, if you are wanting to actually get paid, doing what you love. Yeah. So or you want to actually maybe you’re already being paid, but you’re over working yourself. Let’s talk about it.

Brad Crowell 5:23
Yeah. So if you want to get more info about that, get on the waitlist for Mini at

Lesley Logan 5:31
Yeah. Before we dive into Janey Brown’s amazing words for us, do we have audience question to answer?

Brad Crowell 5:38
Oh, we sure do. Today, quite exciting, today is a fun one for us because it’s something that we’re super passionate about. We were asked, hey, love your decks? Do you sell them as a bundle? And what she was referencing is the flashcard decks that are available through OPC We have these epic flashcard decks that I jokingly refer as the most complex off-hand side comment that Lesley ever made, oh, hey, we should make decks and I was like, oh my gosh, I know how to do that. And now it’s been four years and I don’t know, 2000 hours later, at least, you know, to put all these decks together. And we’ve two more decks coming. So do we sell them as a bundle? Today, we do not. However,

Lesley Logan 6:25
However, we will someday.

Brad Crowell 6:27
Tuned in two more years when the last decks are released. And then we’re gonna make a fun little like, pack to hold everything.

Lesley Logan 6:34
Brad wants to make a collector’s box.

Brad Crowell 6:35
I really do.

Lesley Logan 6:36
So if you are waiting on the bundle, because you think bundle equals discount, that’s not happening.

Brad Crowell 6:42
No, it’s gonna be the opposite.

Lesley Logan 6:45
Here’s the deal, guys. It’s not because I don’t want you to save money. I love people making money saving money doing it, I understand all I understand that money is an investment when you buy things, you have to also understand that these decks cost a frickin fortune to make a fortune to make. You have like just a chair deck alone, we had to sell over 300 decks before it paid our investment back. So and that was not the time.

Brad Crowell 7:12
That was just the print.

Lesley Logan 7:13
That was just the print.

Brad Crowell 7:14
That wasn’t the 500 hours at least it took to actually make it. Not that you should be crying for us. But the reality is, you know, these these decks are, they’ve been put together with a lot of love and care. And there’s, I don’t know, half dozen, maybe even more people who are touching every deck before it makes it into your hands. Plus, then we obviously worked with a really amazing manufacturer in Florida. And they’re making them super high quality. So we’re really, really proud of them. And we absolutely want to have a bundle. We’re not there yet. We have two more decks to release before we do that.

Lesley Logan 7:45
Yeah, so at any rate if you are like but I want to save money on your decks here is the secret. Here’s a secret sauce. We only put a new deck on sale when it’s on presale. That’s right. And if you are on the waitlist, you are going to get the presale price. So we actually do not do a public presale. It is a private presale. So you want to go on the waitlist. I think Brad is going to look that up because I actually don’t know what that waitlist thing is. But, but if you’re on that, then you’ll get the best price because we actually give you the presale 30% off with the with the regular price is going to be and we don’t put the other decks on sale generally. I’m not gonna say never, but pretty much not. And they definitely go 30% off ever again. So at any rate, I want you to have these because they’re amazing. I also promise you they are really worth every single penny. Each card is really beautifully made. So

Brad Crowell 8:40
Yeah, so if you if you’re interested in more information about that, you can actually see what flashcards we’re talking about if you go to And if you’re interested in getting on the waitlist for the upcoming beryls deck or the upcoming accessories deck, just chat to us go to And we’ll make sure to add you to those waitlists and you’ll be in the know. Great question. Thanks.

Lesley Logan 9:04
You can send your questions in just anywhere you can get in contact with us and we’ll answer it on the next pod.

Brad Crowell 9:13
Okay, now let’s talk about Janey Brown. She’s a multi-talented individual, a singer, performer and psychology student who has a strong belief in the power of healthy habits and discipline. Janey has faced challenges and setbacks but remains resilient and determined to pursue her goal, even if it means taking a slower path. She values the process of self-discovery and embracing one’s dark side to achieve personal growth and fulfillment.

Lesley Logan 9:41
Yeah, she um I love it. She’s like a multi-hyphenated individual because like it’s really fun to see someone go after something that is so artistic and people might think like, oh my God, you’re made as a musician, then she is actually challenging herself in the next way to like, incorporate all the interests that she has and she you know, one of the reasons we wanted to talk to her is because she she does things, even with the fear, like forcing herself to do things even though she is scared. And for her, it’s actually quite hilarious that academia was the less scary route I thought…

Brad Crowell 10:13
She’s a stage performer, but going to school was scarier than singing on church.

Lesley Logan 10:19
Yeah, which would be like the exact opposite of most people. Most people I find, like, I’ll go back to school because that feels safe and not like, doing the other thing, which feels really scary because you’re usually putting themselves out there. So I just thought it was like a kind of funny irony. Anyways, she for her going academia was outside of her comfort zone. And she, she said she has that she tries to while forcing the fear, she’s also trying to be kind and loving towards yourself. Because I think it’s really easy to get hard on ourselves with these things, we feel like we should be doing something better. But she said, in order to find the best version of yourself, you actually do need to be kind and loving to who you are. And if you’re a perfectionist, she did say you might find you might struggle to do this, because you’re looking for a balance of the right amount of self love, also and the right amount of tough love. And by the way,

Brad Crowell 11:11
Well, if you’re looking if you’re a perfectionist, you’re looking for the exact equation.

Lesley Logan 11:14
Yeah, and I’m just gonna tell you right now, there fucking isn’t one. No. Also, there’s no such thing as balance. Like there are there are objects and bridges and interesting things that are inbound like balanced in their position. They’re also like, because of infrastructure tied the fuck down to make sure they don’t fall over. Like even the Leaning Tower of Pizza, pizza, Pisa, Pisa,

Brad Crowell 11:38
The Leaning Tower of Pisa perspicacious

Lesley Logan 11:41
(Inaudible) isn’t balancing in its lane, there are things that are holding it up. So the reality is, is like balance is just the worst goal you could ever have. So is certainty. And so I think what I really enjoy was like, you know, she just to like sum up, she is nice to herself, but also sometimes be tough with herself to get to do something that she’s scared to do. And then also she acknowledges that like it’s really okay to rest because that might be giving it all you got that day. And I thought that that was a really cool reminder, because I heard somewhere on Instagram. I didn’t hear it. I read it. I read it on Instagram. This this like quote card said, like if you only have 30% to give and you give 30% you gave 100%. And I really loved it because

Lesley Logan 11:41
The effort you could give that day.

Lesley Logan 11:52
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so that and that is what comes to mind when it’s like resting might be giving it your all. So I just thought that she had some really great, honest, vulnerable things we could take away as we’re, if you’re listening, and you’re trying to do something new in your life. What do you love?

Brad Crowell 12:48
Yeah, so to me, this was like, like, right up my alley. She mentioned that, of course, the grass can be greener on the other side. But then reminded us that, you know, the way we see what people are presenting, we’re only seeing what they want us to see. Right. So we have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes and what people are actually struggling with. Right. And so she said countless people were looking at her going back to school saying, oh my God, you’re so lucky. You get to go back to school. Right? And she’s like, Yeah, well, I didn’t feel lucky at all. This was actually super difficult for me to do really challenging for me to do, because they’re comparing it to like they’re bringing their own, you know, story to her conversation. Right. And it wasn’t her reality. Right? It wasn’t reality for her I mean, so they’re saying like, Oh my God, that’s so that’s so lucky, good for you. Lucky for you. And she’s like, actually, I’d rather be singing on stage. But I need to do this right now at this point in my life. So and then she also talked about the humbling experience and trying to balance multiple pursuits, right? How do you go back to school and have your you know, stage performing your career? And how do you balance all that stuff? And how do you treat yourself you know, because the conversation that it’s really easy to again, like right in line with the grass being greener, greener on the other side, is you see what other people are doing? And you’re like, I feel behind, right? And what you you two are talking about which I thought was really quite poignant.

Lesley Logan 14:34
I was waiting for you to say poignant. I love an episode Brad brings up the word poignant.

Brad Crowell 14:39
Is that it’s possible that someone who’s kicking ass doing something similar to you is only doing that thing. Again, you don’t actually know. Right? So if they are able to focus, man, they really could be taking leaps and bounds in the place that you want to be, but you’re doing two things, right? And so maybe you’re not moving as quickly as them or, you know you’re feeling behind. But for the for what’s on your plate, you’re you are actually moving forward at the pace that’s possible when you’re juggling multiple things, right? Yeah. And she said, That’s really tough, especially for high achievers, because the ego kicks in and you really start beating yourself up.

Lesley Logan 15:17
Yeah, well, what’s the race like? What? What’s the hurry? I think as a high recovering high achiever, overachiever, I’m gonna say overachiever as though because I am a recovering overachiever. One of the things I have constantly have to remind myself of is like, No one put the deadline there but me.

Brad Crowell 15:34
Most often, it’s our own deadline, right?

Lesley Logan 15:36
We had in our adult lives in the last three and a half years, there was like one deadline, that was not our deadline that we had to meet goals by.

Brad Crowell 15:47
You’re talking about buying our house?

Lesley Logan 15:49
Yes. Yeah. That was the only deadline that like, yeah, the only real deadline that like we had legit consequences. Every other deadline. It’s like arbitrary. It’s like the end of the year calendar. It’s you know, like these are?

Brad Crowell 16:03
I mean, there’s opportunities with certain deadlines, like, now’s the right time of the year to be marketing this or that.

Lesley Logan 16:09

Brad Crowell 16:10
But it’s not like a hard deadline.

Lesley Logan 16:13
Yeah. And, you know, I was just listening to James Wedmore. He said, he’s got so many coaches that he, he coaches, like so many entrepreneurs that he coaches, that every single one of them has done a sale at one particular time of every week of the year, summer, winter, spring fall, like, yes, there are these like lightning in a bottle dates, that could be awesome. If you make things happen by then. Yeah, but I really have to remind myself like what is for you will not pass you. Like what is for you will not pass you. So if what you’re doing is literally the thing you are like, I should be doing this and everyone should be doing it for me. The results you’re going to get the things you want are not going to pass you by Just because you weren’t ready by some specific Tuesday holiday that really no one cares about. Yeah, like winter solstice. How many of you remember this? It’s the same date, by the way. It’s always 12-21. Always, you can’t like it’s always it’s not like the second Tuesday of every fifth month. It’s like the same day. It is okay to go guess well, we’re doing Cyber Monday next time. Like you just take that pressure off because you’re putting this pressure that there’s this deadline that you made for yourself. Now. I love the deadline because for those procrastinators out there, it’s what you need. But it’s also okay to go well, I hit this obstacle and this obstacle cost me 30 days, well then move the deadline. 30 days, why are you killing yourself?

Brad Crowell 17:35
Yeah. Also, you know, the other thing is to our other coach, Rory, basically says, you know, what you focus on is what’s going to move forward. And if you try to focus on too many things, you’re not going to move much forward. You know, or if you are, you just have to be okay, with knowing that they’re only gonna move forward incrementally. Yep. You know, it’s not gonna be leaps and bounds. So maybe focusing on less things will allow you to really move the needle on that one or two projects.

Lesley Logan 18:07
Yeah, I’m in.

Brad Crowell 18:09
All right. So finally, let’s talk about those be it action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Janey Brown?

Lesley Logan 18:20
I liked I liked this quote she gave where motivation lacks discipline must live. And we have talked about this before. If you’ve listened to any Be It pod, you probably have heard someone or myself say there’s like motivation is not going to get you very far. It’s a fickle friend. And so discipline, habits are the things you need to help you show up for yourself. And we actually are listening to this guy who I’m hoping to get on the pod. I just actually have to reach out to him. I’m sure it’s totally possible. But he was talking about like pushing or pulling. And he’s like, pushing is like willpower. And a lot of us is like put willpower and motivation the same way. Push it, you will get exhausted and it will not be there when you need it. It’s not

Brad Crowell 19:08
It’s great for getting started. But, eventually. it fizzles. Right. You burn out.

Lesley Logan 19:12
Yeah. BJ Fogg says in Tiny Habits, like motivation is really great if the start to doing something is harder. So for example, like you’re trying to push a, you know, a rock up a hill, you need motivation at the beginning to get it going. But after that, it’s going to be your habits that keep it going. So in the other example that we’re talking about with push and pull, pulling are the things that you do, the minds that you have, the actions that you take that help welcome, and kind of pull you along, which is so much nicer, who wouldn’t like to be pulled along? Gotta be honest. One day you pulled me in a wagon. That was a great dogwalk. Loved it. Loved it. Right. So at any rate, if you are struggling with your motivation, I want you to look at your habits. I want you to look at the discipline you have in your life, because that is what’s keeping you from achieving the goals you want and the desires you have. It’s not your motivation. It’s not that you need more of it. What What about you?

Brad Crowell 19:12
Yeah. So, you know, she mentioned, I thought this was really a fantastic follow-up to last week’s episode where we were talking about our gut. Right? Or the what’s the word that we rehearsed? No, the word that we were using in replacement of gut from last one we did on Wednesday?

Lesley Logan 20:36

Brad Crowell 20:38
Yeah. Where she was talking about our gut or our intuition. You know, the follow up from last week’s episode, she also mentioned our heart. And ultimately, she mentioned our nervous system. And I thought this was really interesting, because we were talking about how do we get in touch with our how do we stay attuned, in tune with our gut? And she’s, she mentioned that it’s connected to the nervous system, right? And ultimately, what does it make your body feel like and what I really liked what she said, you know, it actually requires a, or not requires, but you can be more in tuned with your gut, through a physical practice of some way, whether that’s running or Pilates, or yoga, or whatever. I mean, she does yoga, right? And she said, there’s two types of yoga in this in the sense of what we’re talking about here. One is the I’m gonna go in and beat the shit out of myself yoga. And then there’s the other type of yoga where you’re like, actually, like, being grounded and taking it easy and listening to yourself. That’s a really beneficial way to be more in tune with your gut or more in tune with your nervous system. And when you’re willing to listen to your body. Like you’re literally listening to your body. So that’s how you can stay more in touch with your gut. So I thought that was really, I thought that was really practical, helpful advice for something that like I said before, can be sometimes two woo’s but it’s not, it can be one woo here.

Lesley Logan 22:06
So yeah, one woo all the way.

Brad Crowell 22:09
Love it. I thought that was really great.

Lesley Logan 22:11
Yeah. Well, how are you guys going to use the tips in your life? Like which ones were your takeaways? We want to know. We love hearing from you. And it’s so much fun. I our Agency members tell us inside of agency all the time, which is like so fun. In fact, I’ve seen some of them quote people’s Be It actions they’re like hey, did you listen to this episode because that actually might help you here? I’m like, that’s so great. Um, I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 22:32
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 22:33
Thank you so much for joining us today. We are not taking a break during the holiday you’re gonna get your episodes on the same cadence because I know what it’s like to be on a travel trip and zero podcast in fact the day we’re recording this I just want you to know I have one podcast in my Listen Now and I had to save it because I know Brad is gonna listen to it on the dog walk so because I don’t want to leave your Listen Now’s empty. We got some epic interviews, recaps, some FYFs they’re all coming at you. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 23:06
Bye for now.

Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘Bloom Podcast Network’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velasquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell
Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.

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