Lesley Logan 0:00
There’s a difference between having that want that you want and then judging and shaming your body on every single thing that you do along the way.

Brad Crowell 0:08
Sure.

Lesley Logan 0:08
You can actually love your body in the process and it doesn’t have to be the topic of every conversation. And it also doesn’t have to be how you greet someone. And when people ask what are you up to you don’t have to share it. This can be a personal journey that you just go on.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the powerful convo I had with Jenny Schatzle on our last episode. If you haven’t yet, listened to that one, you’re gonna want to listen to that one at some point, whether it’s before this one or after this one, or with a friend. It is awesome. Especially if you’ve got friends who all they bitch about is how they look, Jenny Schatzle will give you the words to help shut them up because no one goes to lunch to talk about that. Anyways, before we get into that, today is June 6th 2024. So it’s Caves and Karst Day. About this day, Caves and Karst, actually I don’t know what a karst is, but I know what a cave is. So here we go. Celebrated on June 6, is is gradually becoming a significant event in the U.S. and with good cause. And by the way, I look for world ones, and since there are caves everywhere, I figured this could be also a world thing.

Brad Crowell 1:56
Karst is a landscape underlain by limestone, which has been eroded by dissolution, producing ridges, towers, fissures, sinkholes, and other characteristic landforms.

Lesley Logan 2:08
So it’s just like, it’s like the stalactites and stalagmites.

Brad Crowell 2:11
It’s like what you expect to see on the edge of an ocean where like where the water has eroded and it’s got all this funky little designs.

Lesley Logan 2:20
So it’s a karst there and then you go in and it’s a cave. Well, at any rate, thank you for that side trip. The value and influence of cave and karst landscapes on the genetic make-up of the earth as a whole are utterly mind-boggling as more cave enthusiasts across the world explore these underground sites of wonder and beauty. But there’s a lot more to cave exploration than meets the eye. Caves and karst maintain natural diversity both above and below the earth and are home to many of the planet’s most complex and unique ecosystems. The constant flow of water through their bedrocks creates a karst. As a result, sinking streams, caverns, springs, and other unique elements that make caves intriguing and magnificent are formed. So a karst becomes a cave. I’m confused. It’s okay.

Brad Crowell 2:21
I’m just really glad we’re celebrating them today.

Lesley Logan 2:22
We’re celebrating them. It’s a, you know what? If you are in Vegas, you can, you too can kayak like I did for too many miles and there is a cave that you get to kayak under. And it’s emerald. It’s like literally green in there. It’s so beautiful. So you know, go check them out. Also, when I was researching this day, I found out how many caves are in the U.S. We have some of the largest, longest caves in the world. But you know what, even if you don’t live in the US check out a cave near you. They’re pretty magnificent. Upcoming we have Cambodia February 2025.

Brad Crowell 3:40
Yeah, y’all.

Lesley Logan 3:41
You can snag your spots.

Brad Crowell 3:43
October sold out and February is on the docket. We are definitely excited to be going back two times next year. We don’t know the dates for the end of the year yet, but we’re looking at Feb. 25 So if that works for you, make sure you reach out go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. Next up, we got our OPC Summer Tour.

Lesley Logan 4:08
You are hearing it first. It’s announced. It’s announced. We have 12 cities?

Brad Crowell 4:12
13 cities because we’re kicking it off here in Vegas.

Lesley Logan 4:15
Oh, that’s right. We’re kicking off in Vegas. (Inaudible)

Brad Crowell 4:18
It’s gonna kick off I think on August 5th.

Lesley Logan 4:20
It’s a Sunday.

Brad Crowell 4:20
I believe it’s a Sunday. Yeah, pretty sure it’s August 5th.

Lesley Logan 4:24
Sure.

Brad Crowell 4:25
And then we’re gonna be driving up and around. We’re gonna go all the way up to

Lesley Logan 4:29
August 4th is a Sunday.

Brad Crowell 4:31
Okay, August 4th. So we’re gonna drive all the way up to Saint Paul-Minneapolis, and then over to Cleveland and then back through the Midwest.

Lesley Logan 4:38
Saint Paul-Minnesota. Minneapolis.

Brad Crowell 4:43
Yeah, they’re the Twin Cities.

Lesley Logan 4:44
Oh, okay. So you do you say them like that Saint Paul-Minneapolis?

Brad Crowell 4:48
I don’t know which one we’re gonna be at, so.

Lesley Logan 4:50
Okay. I just didn’t know if like you were saying like city-state. You know? Like, I don’t (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 4:55
We’re gonna be in Connecticut, Texas and Pennsylvania, Hawaii.

Lesley Logan 5:02
Yeah, anyways you gotta go to opc.me/tour to check out the amazing spots we’re going to. Snag your spot because you guys, I don’t know when the next time we’ll do the Midwest again, gonna be really honest. We have, we got

Brad Crowell 5:15
We got plans y’all. Year after that we’re thinking to do the West Coast again but (inaudible). Lesley doesn’t know this, but I want to start in Mexico and go over to Canada.

Lesley Logan 5:23
Well, also, Brad doesn’t know but we’ve got to go to the U.K. so we have a

Brad Crowell 5:27
Yeah, we got to go to the U.K. as well.

Lesley Logan 5:28
Yeah. So at any rate, opc.me/tour to snag your spot. Also happening

Brad Crowell 5:33
Or go to Europe. Just do all of Europe.

Lesley Logan 5:35
Okay, don’t, that’s not an option for next year. But we do want to do that. It’s like a 2026 goal. Okay, so eLevate applications are going to open up at pretty soon, actually. We’re going to open them up in the June-July time. We want to make sure that everyone has enough time to set the dates aside for 2025 to also like save, save up the investment for it and everything we can only take 12 people in a group so you want to go to LesleyLogan as L-E-S-L-E-Y-L-O-G-A-N.co/elevate to get on the waitlist because the people on the waitlist get to apply.

Brad Crowell 6:10
Yeah, eLevate is Lesley’s mentorship program. It is the nine-month program, for those of you who aren’t familiar with it. And you deep dive with Lesley. She’s passing on all the information that she learned from her teacher Jay and it’s, it’s amazing. You’re gonna leave that with all the confidence in the world you will never have to class-plan again. It is incredible.

Lesley Logan 6:29
Awesome.

Brad Crowell 6:29
Next up we got Barrels Flashcards. It’s the last chance, y’all, to get on the waitlist.

Lesley Logan 6:34
It’s literally the last chance. (Inaudible) You won’t hear us talk about it. We’re not going to talk about this again. This is it. This is the last chance.

Brad Crowell 6:40
No, we are going to talk about it on next week’s pod but, like a week and a half and the waitlist is open.

Lesley Logan 6:45
Oh my goodness. Okay, well, Brad has been really kind because I was like they know about it now, too, sucks for them, too late.

Brad Crowell 6:52
This is your last chance to get on the waitlist and save some money when we do our presale opc.me/flashcardwaitlist, opc.me/flashcardwaitlist.

Lesley Logan 7:01
And then lastly.

Brad Crowell 7:02
Last but not least.

Lesley Logan 7:03
If you have wanted to try OPC and you’re just like, I don’t know, I want to try it, though. You can.

Brad Crowell 7:08
You can.

Lesley Logan 7:08
Forty days for $40.

Brad Crowell 7:10
Yeah.

Lesley Logan 7:11
That’s $1 a day of Pilates.

Brad Crowell 7:12
That’s right.

Lesley Logan 7:13
Yep. opc.me/forty.

Brad Crowell 7:15
That’s right.

Lesley Logan 7:16
That’s great. I love that. You guys. It’s amazing. You can get into our community, you can come to a live class you can do the weekly classes, you can ask us questions, it’s actually where we answer questions daily. It’s a really fire community and we are no longer in the Facebook world. We are in our own app. Our own app.

Brad Crowell 7:35
Yeah. It’s amazing.

Lesley Logan 7:36
All right, before we get to Jenny Schatzle. What’s our audience question?

Brad Crowell 7:39
All right, Chonnarit L on YouTube asked, “If you already have a reformer what should you buy next?”

Lesley Logan 7:47
I know, I thought this was a great question. I’ve never had anyone ask me and that’s a great question. And also, it kind of depends on your space and what you want. If you already have a reformer, I would say Contrology Mat if you don’t have that yet, because a lot of people don’t invest in the mat and the mat and the ref, if you have those two, you are set, my friend. If you don’t want to do the investment in a Contrology Mat, then a spine corrector, believe it or not, is what I would suggest. Contrology Spine Corrector. I have discount links on all these. And then if you are wanting something a little bit more challenging, because like the spine corrector is really good at helping you build your back bends, especially if you struggle with them. Like that’s why I like everyone to have access to a spine corrector because it teaches an extension. But let’s just say you just want to like power out then get a Wunda Chair. And if you have the Reformer and the Wunda Chair, obviously everyone afforded the mat, you could be an OPC all-equipment member. So there you go. The Wunda Chair doesn’t take up a lot of space and Contrology has a beautiful one, and it’s so amazing.

Brad Crowell 8:47
That’s a good one.

Lesley Logan 8:47
I did a 50-minute workout on it yesterday to film for OPC and I kicked my own ass. So that is what I would say. It just really depends on your practice and your goals and your space. So you know, if you want to take a class with OPC, you, if you already have a Reformer and you have the mat then I’ll get the Wunda Chair.

Brad Crowell 9:02
Sounds like a plan. Great question. If you want to leave us a question that we might read here live on the pod. At the end of this episode, we will tell you our phone number that you can text or you can DM us on Instagram and ask away. All right now let’s talk about Jenny Schatzle. Jenny Schatzle is a passionate speaker, author, coach, and advocate for transforming how women perceive themselves. Her mission is to break the cycle of toxic standards ingrained from an early age and to shift the conversation surrounding appearance. By challenging societal norms and encouraging women to embrace their true selves, Jenny fosters a healthier, more respectful dialogue about body image. Yes. Plus she uses curse words and I love that.

Lesley Logan 9:48
We love that and she does these, like morning, coffee mug chats, just like give you a pep talk. We actually talked about this in the episode but like she had this post it’s like you know don’t sacrifice like 90, like, like 90% of your life just to be five pounds lighter.

Brad Crowell 10:06
Ninety-five percent of your life to be five pounds lighter. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 10:08
So she reposted that quote that she, that she did and the vitriol that she got, oh my god, all from, all from mostly men saying they won’t be able to carry the coffin, like just awful things about the body. And she’s like, okay, we got to talk about this because this is ridiculous. We, that’s not at all what she is saying. Like, people confuse her talking about being kind about your body and not just constantly talking about being smaller and, and sacrificing, making decisions as like, everyone should just be unhealthy. By the way, your size and health do not match up. That’s just not how it works. So it was just, it was just sad to like, read what people are saying. And it’s just like, why are people such dickheads? When did people learn that if you, like, you, you don’t have something nice to say don’t say anything at all? What is going on with people? I think reviews is where it started.

Brad Crowell 11:05
No, I think it’s just the fact that you can post on the internet and nobody knows who you are.

Lesley Logan 11:10
Yeah. Well, she posted their comments. And I think she should have blasted their names that she was nice enough to count them out. But I don’t think you should I think you know what, if you think you’re gonna say some shit, your name should get put up there. So anyways, but here’s some things I love that she said. She said how we show up in our body is energy. And this is so true. If you are not feeling good about yourself, you start to only see the things you don’t feel good about. And then when you go out into the world, like you bring that energy with you, you’re not as excited. And so it’s really important if you can actually give yourself some self-love and truly believe that you are an amazing person you can show up in your life in your body in a much more positive space. And I just really love that. I think we also talked about if you went out and ate the candy bar and had some fries and just like had a milkshake. You don’t have to go oh my god, I’m an asshole. You just go. Okay, I did that. Moving on. And I really because that’s energy, right? If you start to like doubt, like get down on yourself, you take yourself down and not just your body down and it affects the whole day that you have. So every time you show up as your authentic self, you give women around you permission to do the same. And she does this like this is how she like lives her life on social media. But like she truly does this when you are around her you do, I get a surprise all the time that people in front of her would even at all, like be mean to their bodies in front of her I would be so afraid to say something like not nice about myself. And whenever she pops in my feed or I have a talk with her, or we catch up, I am so much kinder to my body just because of her. I’m like she’s got my like shoulder like, you know, it’s okay like to love yourself and just get a different size, buy different jeans. It’s okay.

Brad Crowell 12:48
I love that. One thing that she mentioned, which I thought was pretty ballsy was she texted her whole family over the holidays and specifically requested everybody not talk about bodies, body images, body sizes, weight dieting, loss, all that you look so good, any of those kinds of comments with her kids. And the way she did it, I thought was incredibly thoughtful. And when I first heard the summary of it, I was like, whoa, that’s like, was she like angrily yelling at everybody? But no, that’s not what she did at all. First, she had a three-step approach. And this was gold. Okay, the first thing she said was, she opened the conversation saying, I have struggled with body image my entire life. I’m sure you all know that. The second thing she said is I would like to ask for your help in this because I want to break this cycle. I don’t want my kids to struggle with body image. So I ask you not to talk about bodies, body images around my kids when we come over for the holidays. And she said lastly, the third step of it was to tell them I love you very much. I’m so grateful for your support. I can’t wait to see you all. Right? And I thought, wow, what a tactful way to challenge the family to not talk about something that she’s really intentional about with her kids. And she also said not a single family member responded.

Lesley Logan 14:18
Yeah.

Brad Crowell 14:19
But

Lesley Logan 14:20
It was fine.

Brad Crowell 14:21
It went really well. No one talked about those things. So clearly everybody read it. They, nobody wanted to talk about it. Like oh, yeah, sure, I will, won’t do that. No one actually, you know, said that they would do it. But then they did, they did it anyway, which I thought was really amazing. And she was talking about the way that we were trained as a society, how we were trained to think when it comes to body image and fashion and all the things and you know, if her kids come downstairs and they say, hey, you know, I put on this new outfit. What do you think? Instead of saying, oh my gosh, you look beautiful. Right? Because that’s the first res, that’s the natural response, it’s just kind of the way that we all would would think, you know, would talk. She said there’s, there’s some inherent issues with that response, which are, we are judging them based on how they, you know, the on beauty on this idea of beauty. Right? And so instead she, she says that makes you look really powerful. And then she asked them, how does it feel on your body? Right? Or how does it make you feel? That’s a great way to instill this idea of being in tune with yourself being in tune with like, how does, your own body how does it make you feel? Right, and I just thought it was really cool. I like the way that she approaches that.

Lesley Logan 15:41
Yeah, I really like it too. And I think like, I remember when she, we talked about this in that episode, when she posted, like, I asked my family not to do these things. And here’s what you can prompt your family with. And I was like, wow, that is bold. It’s amazing. I want to know how this went down. Because like, I, like, I was just like, what would my, our family would say? And, you know what, I, here’s what I think, in both sides, I think everyone have complied just like her family. I do wonder what happened when you left the room. I feel like, she made us not talk about our body. Like, I just really wonder because like (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 16:16
I wonder if they like, snarkily went to each other and they’re like, you look so great today. You look so skinny today. Did you lose five pounds? After she left the room?

Lesley Logan 16:24
I wonder, I wonder if they did. Or maybe it helped, it like freed them from like, playing the loop that we all play every year at the holidays, oh, I gotta lose five pounds, oh, I gotta do this thing. So, and by the way, like, if you are on a journey, because you are not excited about how your body is feeling. It is okay. I actually wanted to say like, it’s okay. There’s a difference between judging your body and shaming your body and getting actual information around how you want to feel how you want to be, what that is, and then making a plan for yourself, whether that’s sleep, whether that’s getting your hormones checked, maybe you want to actually add more nutrition to the meals, these are all okay things. And I actually think that Jenny, like, understands that and explains that because when you, when you talk to her about her gym, she owns a gym, and her big thing is like, are you sleeping? Sleep is amazing for self-care, like drinking water is amazing. And so I just want to say that because I don’t want anyone to feel bad. But if you are actually going no, but Lesley, I really do want to lose 10 pounds because I just don’t like the way I look. There’s a difference between having that want that you want and then judging and shaming your body on everything single thing that you do along the way.

Brad Crowell 17:40
Sure.

Lesley Logan 17:40
You can actually love your body in the process, and it doesn’t have to be the topic of every conversation. And it also doesn’t have to be how you greet someone. And it, when people ask what are you up to you don’t have to share it. This can be a personal journey that you just go on. You know, I have girlfriends, we’re getting older, our bodies are changing, and there’s certain things I’m like, okay, I can be okay with that. There’s some thing’s like, not okay with that. I’m actually I don’t like how that feels. I don’t like how that feels on me. But it’s not how we greet each other. It’s not what we talk about at lunch. You k,now, we talk about other things like How’s work going? Like how are you feeling? Like, what do you like, what are you doing for fun? What are your hobbies? You know, so there’s just different things. And I just want to point that out because I do know that like sometimes when these topics come up, people could start to get down on themselves for thinking those things about themselves. It’s good to have awareness and it’s good to understand what’s motivating you.

Brad Crowell 18:33
All right, so finally, let’s talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Jenny Schatzle? She shared her big trick on giving actionable tools when people started to compare themselves or when you’re talking down to yourself.

Lesley Logan 18:53
Oh, great.

Brad Crowell 18:54
Yeah. And I did this today while I was listening to the pod. She said hey, listen, when you catch yourself in that cycle of, you know, shit-talking yourself, or, you know, if you’re in a conversation, if you’re, or if you’re mentally comparing yourself to someone else. She said, hey, take a moment. Put your hand on your heart, and breathe in for five seconds. Hold it for five seconds. And then breathe out for five seconds. And she said do it again. But this time, say here. And then when you breathe out, say now. So say, breathe in, here, hold for five seconds. And then breathe out and say now and the idea is that you’re in the here and now you are here and now and it’s a way to kind of bring yourself back into you know this moment. And instead of you, it will allow you to jumpstart that negative rut of comparison, the negativity, beating yourself up. And instead it brings you back to the moment, the present. I thought that was a really cool little tool.

Lesley Logan 20:08
I really liked it, I liked, I think it’s really great. And I also liked that you can, it, afterwards, you’ll be able to, you’ll be calmer and you’ll be able to figure out how you want to move forward. You know, I think like, if you get all up in your head, you start to you can’t really it’s you go into the way you are ingrained to think about yourself and talk to yourself and, and you go over the thing about the actions you, someone who’s been working on loving yourself, working on being more body positive and kind and also thinking about other things in this world. You know, that, that you can actually take actions from that place, which is really cool. Okay, she actually, this is so cool, I had no idea that she has a journal coming out. And so she said she’ll share it when it’s available. But we have this rule guys, we actually say, if you’re gonna talk about journaling, you have to tell people what to do. So as soon as she said, you’re gonna journal, I was just like, Jenny, we have rules, we have rules, you’re not allowed to talk about journaling, unless you tell people, but she came prepared. She will have a journal prompt that is going to be 90 ways in 90 days. So 90 ways to love your body in 90 days. Which is great. We’ll let you know when that’s available. But in the meantime, you can set a timer for five minutes. And free-write, literally write everything that’s going on in your head. Don’t worry about grammar or punctuation. It literally takes five minutes that can change your life and boosts creativity. And I, we’ve talked about like the artist’s way on a show before and you know, like, everyone’s like it takes me forever to write three pages. I’m like, how does it take you forever? To write three pages, you must be thinking about your grammar, your punctuation, like what to write, you’re supposed to free-right. Free-write is just like a total brain dump. And so it really is really a great way to journal whenever you kind of, if you are starting to feel a little down yourself, you’re starting to shame or judge yourself. You notice that you just had lunch and all your friends talked about what diet they’re on. You can free-write to let that go. Oh, is August giving kisses? It’s a new thing guys. He’s working on it. Normally when he gives kisses he also like bats his head up and maybe tips you with his nose a little bit. But now he’s actually learning how to kiss but it’s the wettest kiss. It’s like the whole tongue has to be part of it, so.

Brad Crowell 22:21
If you’re on YouTube, you can see August He just joined the show.

Lesley Logan 22:24
If you are not on YouTube, we are on YouTube. You can watch it. Yeah, you can. So anyways, though, thank you, Jenny Schatzle for coming back and reminding us it’s been a couple of years since we had you on the show reminding us to love ourselves to change the conversation, to break the cycle. Y’all, please, please, please, like, write down a few different ways to greet your friends that don’t have anything to do with like, like, oh, you’ve lost five pounds. You can say you look powerful. Oh my god, I love the, I love being around your energy. You light up a room. You know, like there’s so many different things you can say that have nothing to do with the person’s actual physical looks. And it’s so true. Jenny was talking about her friend who like, complimented her abs when she was like breastfeeding. And now every time she’s around that friend she like thinks about her abs like she’s self-conscious that she doesn’t have them. Whatever. It is so true. Because I have been in the bathroom when people have talked about me when I’ve been when I was too skinny. I’ve talked about me in the bathroom, you know that when I gained weight and I was in the bathroom, I was so afraid to be in the bathroom with other people because I was just conscious of like, what if they saw me now, they’re gonna, now they’re gonna say I now I’ve gained weight like, so it’s true. We, like these things. leave a mark on us. At any rate, I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 23:32
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 23:32
Thank you so much for listening to us today.

Brad Crowell 23:34
Thank you, thank you.

Lesley Logan 23:36
Please share this with a friend who needs to hear it, a sibling or family member that if you are not wanting to talk about weight with when you come to the next holiday event, you know, Fourth of July is around the corner. And if you’re in the States, if you’re not in the States, and I’m sure you have a holiday coming up, and please do leave us a review. They do mean the world to us at the time of recording this we almost have 100. So it’d be really cool if we had 100 reviews before we hit 400 episodes which is coming up. And until next, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell 24:05
Bye for now.

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Lesley Logan
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Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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Brad Crowell
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Lesley Logan
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Brad Crowell
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