Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the nomadic convo I had with Rolf Potts in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listened to that episode, go feel, go, go feel free. You should feel free (Brad: Feel go for free.) You should feel like you could go freely to listen to that episode. And then come back and join us for this one. All I know is that Brad listen to it and he’s like, “I think Rolf and I should be friends. (Lesley laughs)

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Yeah. Rolf and I obviously traveled similarly. And, and I loved it. I was like, “I can’t wait to read his book.” Now, I’m not gonna lie.

Lesley Logan
Oh, you should we have it.

Brad Crowell
I know. I saw it on the counter.

Lesley Logan
You can, you can read it. You can read a page a day. You don’t have to read the whole thing.

Brad Crowell
Oh, no, I want to read his first book. (Lesley: Oh) I want to read his like original, this one’s called The Vagabond’s Way. (Lesley: The … Yeah, yeah.) The new one is The Vagabond’s Way and that’s like 366 quotes and advice and stuff like that. No, I’m interested in reading the first one he published about his like stories through Myanmar and stuff like that.

Lesley Logan
Oh, well, you should get that before we go on … I mean, everyone you’re listeners to this after we’ve come back from a trip but Brad you should get it before we leave you. (Brad: Yeah.) … before we go, which speaking of we in real time, literally just got back, by the time you listen to this and your real time of … (Brad: Yeah) listening to this episode. Well, I’ve just got back from Cambodia, (Brad: Yeah) and you can get yourself on the waitlist for the next one because I you’ve had so much FOMO.

Brad Crowell
Oh, you don’t know, you don’t even know this was a, so our retreaters don’t even know what we have planned for them. And they have not yet experienced this but by the time you’ll you’ll be listening to this, they will have experienced an epic waterfall that was dedicated only to the king, only the king and the royal family we’re allowed to go there. And now it’s open to the public. And it’s very much off the beaten path is about an hour and a half outside the city. And this is not something that we usually do but we have an adventurous group with us this time and we (Lesley: Yeah) decided we’re going to we’re going to throw that into the mix …

Lesley Logan
Yeah, well it’s also the to get to this particular place in Cambodia, you cannot take a big van, it has to be (Brad: Yes smaller … ) a smaller car because it is it is like up through the mountains. And then there’s also these apple bananas. This is the craziest thing when I saw they were red bananas. (Brad: Yeah.) Anyways, (Brad: They’re pretty cool.) you can go you can join us next time.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, this this if you haven’t heard us talk about Cambodia before welcome to the podcast. (Lesley: Hi) We talk about it in every single episode.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, yeah, we do we do right now. lesleylogan.co/retreats will get you on the waitlist, we do take limited amount of people and we are only doing one next year. (Brad: Yes) So if you keep going on to the next one …

Brad Crowell
t’s gonna be the fall of 2023 most likely like September or October so anyway, that’s what we’re we’re looking at. So get yourself on the waitlist, lesleylogan.co/retreats, plural.

Lesley Logan
And so we are unpacking our bags, just the pack them back up because we’re going into a different weather. We’re going to Scottsdale Arizona, which you might think is warm, but it’s not it’s …

Brad Crowell
It’s the opposite as Cambodia, possibly.

Lesley Logan
… Cambodia is hot and humid. And we’re gonna go to someplace where our skin is gonna shrivel up, and we’re gonna chap our lips, and we need a coach. Also, my goal is to do the Grand Canyon, and I just heard from the podcast I just interviewed but y’all will listen to later. But you can like do the Grand Canyon in a day. And I’m wondering if we can do that, wonder if we have the time to do that.

Brad Crowell
So there’s a there’s a really interesting Grand Canyon experience that I don’t know if we can pull it off. But if we can …

Lesley Logan
Is it the Glass Bridge thing? Because I don’t know …

Brad Crowell
No the Glass Bridge is on the North side.

Lesley Logan
Okay. I don’t know about that one.

Brad Crowell
Well that’s like you know, terrifying …

Lesley Logan
The Calgary tower was was terrified. It was like two inches of glass and I was like aahhh.

Brad Crowell
This is an eight mile hike down into the … (Lesley: Yeah. I want to do that.) or at the bottom. And then also you can actually stay down there or at least you could pre COVID I don’t know if they’ve opened it back up. But there’s like a hotel.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, we don’t have time for that. We have time for the hike. So we’re gonna do the hike part. And then we’ll if we like it, and we like the digs. We can book it in later or for a future adventure. Let’s just explore it.

Brad Crowell
I will see. Well, we will. This is kind of a perfectly applicable conversation for this episode.

Lesley Logan
I know, I know. But before we get to this episode, super, super quick because people have been asking and we’ve talked about in previous episodes, we are going on the winter Pilates tour. And you’re gonna want to go to onlinepilatesclasses.com to see which cities we’re going to …

Brad Crowell
Most likely OPC/tour. (Lesley: Yeah.) So onlinepilatesclasses.com/tour. But otherwise, you can just go to the website, you’ll find it.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, we’ll put a little pop up thingy on there too. But space is limited in every class for variety of reasons. This space we’re using, and we are just hitting like a couple cities up Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Nashville, look at the site for all cities.

Brad Crowell
Just couple. (Lesley: Just couple.) … Philly area (Lesley: We’re working on that one.) Cleveland, St. Louis …

Lesley Logan
Just a few. But I do hope you come on the tour, we’d love to see you in person. We’d love to teach you. And also, because, you know, I know it’s the holidays, but everybody wishes they had a little workout and escape and the holidays. (Brad: Yeah) So we’re here to provide that for you. Okay (Brad: It’s gonna be a blast.) so we had an audience question that I wanted to make sure that we thought to before we dive into Rolf.

Brad Crowell
Yes. And I put this question into this episode, because because of this conversation with Rolf, and travel and inspiration, and I’m going to modify it. So the question was, why did you first go to Cambodia? And if you’ve listened this podcast at all, you’ve definitely heard me talk about my National Geographic experience. In fact, Lesley briefly mentioned it during the interview. But what I wanted to actually talk about instead was the mentality that I had of wanting to go versus finally going. And so when I first you’ve heard me talk about NatGeo, I was 12, I saw this amazing spread on Cambodia. I said, this is the Jungle Book in real life, I have to go there. And I was 12. But I didn’t go to Cambodia until I was in my 30s. Right. And for me, I lived in Boston, and I was a college student I was working, you know, you know, hourly jobs, I was doing all this stuff. And I just the way I perceived, travel the way I perceived, especially Cambodia, it just seemed like I might as well have been trying to go to another planet. And and that’s just how I, you know, I was like, I will go there one day, someday, eventually, I’ll get there. But I never actually made it a priority. And until when you asked me, Where are we going on our honeymoon, I was like, “Oh, this is it, I finally can do this, we’re gonna go do this.” And that was when the decision was made to go. And that’s when we actually started to plan it. And the thing that was hilarious to me was it was the first time I ever actually looked into going, I always wanted to go, but I never looked into going and when we were looking at our plane tickets, it was cheaper to go to Cambodia than it was to fly to my parents house for fucking Christmas.

Lesley Logan
I know that really (Brad: I’m like …) that’s what we … That’s like, I’m not flying again.

Brad Crowell
What the? But that was the crazy thing was I could not believe how accessible that actually was.

Lesley Logan
Well, I think and we can talk about it, you know, as we get into Rolfs’ episode as well. But I too, because I grew up not traveling. And I grew up every single time travel is expensive. And hearing people say we saved up for like we do a trip every other year, whatever. So just saw that travel was hard, travel is expensive, travel is things that people could do on someday. And you said that the word someday, (Brad: Right) that word bent and just need to get out of the English language because it should be I’m going there. (Brad: Yes) I’m going there. (Brad: Yeah.) And when people say when you can say I’m working on that, I’m gonna get back to you. You don’t have to like you, can you but I think it’s so easy to make someday never. (Brad: Yeah.) And you and you just said it. You didn’t even look to see how much it would cost. (Brad: I never actually look into it.) What a great inserted BE IT action item. Just look at (Brad: Great question.) just look at the place that you want to go or the thing you want to do. What if you just looked it up to see what it was? You could actually …

Brad Crowell
You know, wrap your head around. (Lesley: Yeah, yeah. ) You know, (Lesley: Yeah) because maybe it isn’t accessible tomorrow, but maybe it could be in six months.

Lesley Logan
Mm hmm. Oh, yeah. I mean, I just, we have a girl we’re gonna have on podcast that she’s a mutual friend of ours. Her name is Johanna White. And she is wanting to buy a house in like Greece and a couple other places. And she wants to rent the bla bla bla and she asked me like, well, so that’s what she asked me. She’s like, “How much was like the downpayment you had to have on your house?” And it was a great question for someone who wants to do something someday she’s trying to wrap her head around this goal that she has, right? And so truly, if more of us did that, if more of us just like asked the question to get to the first next step of what we wanted. You could have all the things you want. (Brad: Yeah) You can’t but if you go someday I’ll do this and you don’t ever look at how to even have the thing or do the thing that you want to do. It’s a never day (Brad: Right) not gonna happen.

Brad Crowell
Well, I love it. I love that question. I’m so super passionate about travel and I’ve lots of thoughts and comments on Rolf. So (Lesley: Let’s talk about him.) we’ll be back in just a sec.

All right, now let’s talk about Rolf Potts. As someone who never stays in one place for too long. Rolf Potts is a travel writer who has reported from over 60 countries and for publications like National Geographic and Discovery. He is a proponent of micro adventures, no matter where you are, and uses his curiosity to lead him when he isn’t experiencing experiencing a new location. Rolf is probably with his wife at their farmhouse in Kansas.

Lesley Logan
You know what, I just want to like toot my own horn for a second, I have not had two NatGeo contributors on this podcast. (Brad: Oh, yes.) And what? 152 episodes? That’s pretty like, freaking great. Because it’s like, what is it less than point 2% of people get picked to do NatGeo? Like what …

Brad Crowell
Oh, I can’t remember what the stat was what it’s like …

Lesley Logan
John Mollura’s episode. It was like a very specific (Brad: Right) percentage.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. John the photographer and now we have Rolf the writer.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. So one thing that I loved was he said, make travel an active part of your life, not an escape from your life. Ooh, brilliant. Not an escape from your life, but an escape into your life. And his story that he used was when he, during the pandemic to travel, he did a 22 mile walk in his city, like across his town in Kansas. And, and it’s so true. When you walk places, you start to see things you don’t see when you drive. And they could have been there forever, like, Oh, my God, look at a store. It’s like, Yeah, you don’t see it when you’re driving, because you’re trying to hit another car, when you’re walking, you get to take time to like, see it all and take it in, you can make it an adventure. And I do think a lot of people go on vacations to get a break from their life, but what they (Brad: Yeah) end up doing is like getting sick. And, and not really the way that they prioritize a trip is an escape from their life. So they’re not actually seeing how they can apply any of their trip into their life. You know, like, I that’s something I do over there. It’s not something I do here.

Brad Crowell
Yeah, I think it’s, we have this very, a couple of comments first about the walking across the town, I’ll, I’ll comment on that in a second. But this idea of the vacation being the moment that you can take a breather, the moment that you can like, Okay, finally I’ll be able to rest or whatever. That’s not really that’s like, that’s not necessarily reality trip, you know, like, when you go to a place I know, there’s two types of travelers, the person who gets there with an itinerary of 400 things they want to do in a day. And then the person who doesn’t want to do a single thing, and they just want to sit in the room or sit on the beach and read a book, right? In the thing, the thing with making it an active part of your life. What he was also getting at with walking across town, is he said, Look, when we were in the pandemic, we weren’t allowed to fly, it wasn’t an option? We could do that. So how can I keep traveling, even though I’m, I’m right here. And he his curiosity, which we mentioned during his bio, drove him to drove that’s ironic to say that word, coincidence to say that word, what I mean is, instead of him driving his life from one town to the next, you said he had his wife decide to walk, he said it took seven hours 22 miles, but along the way, they got to see and experience and like feel this town that they’ve known forever, in a completely different way. And it was incredibly revealing. He talked about seeing these lovely fields and seeing pastures and you know, sheep and people and like little stands on the side of the road. And suddenly his curiosity was you know, lit on fire again. And he didn’t even have to do any crazy travel expenses or anything like that. They just took a day and walked.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, and I I think he said it somewhere in the episode like your your vacation can also start in like planning of it like you can you don’t have to like wait till you get to the place be like no, I’m on my trip, you can actually be part of the whole thing can be part of the vacation. So …

Brad Crowell
Yeah, we talked about making a habit out of travel and this because this is an example of that. But you’re exactly right. Like it could be how can you start practicing? Like when you get to a place and you’ve like, come up with your itinerary and all the things what if you came up with that itinerary in your hometown and tried a new restaurant locally, and you know, did a new park or a new hike or a new I don’t know, like go test drive a car, something that you wouldn’t normally do in your hometown. You can start that habit now. And then when you get to where your destination is, then you’re there and you’re already in the habit of being curious exploring.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I love it. What did you love that he said?

Brad Crowell
Yeah, okay, so the idea of skipping the commercial travel itinerary. And letting curiosity guide your travel is one of my favorite things, right? There’s different, like, there’s different, quote unquote, types of travelers and the one that’s FIT, Free Independent Traveller, the FIT traveler, is the person who’s like, “Don’t tell me what to do, I can figure it out on my own.” Like, if they can do it, then I can do it. And I, I really embraced that mentality. I said it kind of in a little sarcastic way. But I like the when you go to a place where we’re talking about escapism versus experiencing it, I keep thinking about, I don’t know, Cancun, when you go to Cancun, you’re effectively flying to a casino on the beach. But like, it’s perfect, air conditioned, you’re completely isolated, they just hand you tequila for four days straight, right, and there’s food and there’s turtles on the beach, and it’s quite lovely and beautiful. But you have no connection at all, to Mexico in that space. You have no connection to Cancun, no connection to the people, you might engage with a taxi driver from the airport to the massive resort that’s on the beach. Right? And, you know, look, there is a time and a place. Sometimes that is the trip that is the vacation, but that’s definitely not like travel. Right? And and when you instead go to a place with the intention of meeting people and experiencing their food, experiencing their culture, seeing how they live, all of that being revealed to you, man, it is a completely different experience. And you went to the same place.

Lesley Logan
Yeah. Well, I think you know, some people that kind of itinerary and those kind of things make an area feel safe. And the irony is, a lot of the stuff that happens to people happens in the tourist area.

Brad Crowell
Oh, yeah. Well Rolf talks about that, where it’s like, where are the pickpockets going to hang out, they’re going to hang out with the tourists are, (Lesley: Yeah) they know, (Lesley: They know) they know where you are. But if you walked 10 minutes to the side of where that tourist areas, you probably won’t find pickpockets because they’re not hanging out there waiting to find you.

Lesley Logan
Do you remember, we found that really cool. What was the name of that restaurant that we go to? It’s it’s got the treehouse and the wine, the drink scope and the thing and we actually were in one part of the town. (Brad: Wild) Wild. Yes. So we were, we were in one … (Brad: This is in Siem Reap.) where this interesting part wasn’t WaPo was a neighborhood near WaPo. And, you know, we just gotten like our, you know, a massage and really went to a really sweet restaurant locally, like just they’re trying to teach people how to make Cambodian food, it was really sweet place to to eat. And we’re walking, or like, oh, what’s down this hallway over here. So we go through this hallway. And it’s it’s not even it’s like a, so it’s not a hallway of a business. It’s a hallway between businesses. And it’s, well, it’s got these lights, and it looked really cool. And we’re like walking, walking, walking, we fell upon a entire restaurant (Brad: Oh yeah) that we had driven past for years, actually. But because when we drove past it, sorry for my dog, when we drove past it, that it was closed during the day. So we didn’t know that on the other side of this gate was this beautiful evening restaurant that you can just go sit out there, these different parents we can like lay down. So if we hadn’t, if we hadn’t done like, see seeing where curiosity led us, we would never have not we love those owners. And they’ve done some (Brad: Yeah) amazing stuff.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. So they’re lovely couple, and they they’re employing an incredible team. And also, PS, when your dad and I were there, we found a beautiful space just behind them, too. In another alleyway that again, if we hadn’t been curious and just explored off the beaten path wouldn’t have known was even there. (Lesley: Yeah.) So anyway, the idea of skipping the commercial travel. I’m not saying like maybe stay in the hotel, that’s fine, especially if you are concerned about safety. But the truth is that you will, as long as you aren’t like getting drunk and stumbling through the streets, just like in the United States, like you could get in trouble there too. (Lesley: Yeah) Not necessarily with the law, but like someone could come along and take advantage of you because you’re not thinking you don’t have it together. What if you’ve got your mind together, you’re probably going to be just fine. Don’t do stupid things. Don’t get in a fight with people, don’t be drunk and running around. And wherever it is that you’re exploring, you know, chances are high that you’re going to be just fine, especially when you’re off the beaten path. Because really, they’re just as curious about you as you are about them. (Lesley: Yeah) And I know you told the story about me with the ceremony … in the bowl. (Lesley: I love that story so much.) It’s it was so funny, but But I remember the first time that we went like I don’t, it was so it was so incredible because they were just as excited that we were there as we were excited to be there. And that actually felt very warming to me. And I actually I wrote down something that Rolf said, he said, this holds true from Kansas to the other side of the world. If you take an interest in people, people will be flattered that you’re taking an interest in them.

Lesley Logan
It’s true. (Brad: Yeah) We’ve talked about before, like, if you want people to be interested in you be interested in them. And like, it’s kind of in Dr. Benders episodes, you talked about that. So we could talk about travel and Rolf all the time …

Brad Crowell
Well, I have one more thing I want to say. I have one more thing this is this is something that has, this is very much a passion. It’s a belief of mine, actually.

I am convinced with every fiber of my being with all of the experience that I’ve personally had traveling, that getting out into the world, traveling is the best possible thing that you can do to broaden your perspective, about life, about people, about places. It travel removes fear, it creates empathy, it creates curiosity, it creates connection, it’s the best gift that you can give to yourself. It’s the best gift that you can give to your family, your kids, when you travel, it will completely hijack the way that you were originally thinking. It will allow you to see people, are people everywhere, even though they do things differently than you do them. Or we do them. You get there and see. Well, I guess they’ve been doing it like this forever. So there’s got to be something to that as well, even if it’s not how I do things. And it has just changed the way that I see the world.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, I agree. I concur on that. I think that’s uh, I wish more people would would travel because I think that it would actually it would change their life for the better even if it was just us a small trip here and there, like doesn’t have to be anything big, just even even going if you’re in the states in going from north to south, south to north. (Brad: Yeah) Like it’s really kind of incredible how that can change your perspective on yourself and on others. (Brad: Yes)

Brad Crowell
All right. So finally, let’s talk about those BE IT action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your conversation with Rolf Potts?

Lesley Logan
I’m gonna go first. (Brad: Do it.) I’m gonna jump on in. So he said the dream trip you’ve been thinking about it, it really started me decide it’s going to happen. So we talked about it a little bit briefly, but like it and so instead of saying someday, or like I have a dream to go in here, like, it can start now. It can start with you, you like thinking about the kind of trip you want to have when you get there and how long you want to be there. And you don’t have to just like wait to plan it, you can actually start start it today. That way, if you fall upon a couple extra weeks, like what am I going to go do? I’m gonna go here? You know what I mean? I think we look at people who can pick up and go, we think, oh, must be so easy for them. No, they’ve just been thinking about it. They’ve been …

Brad Crowell
They’ve been, they’ve been, well, I think actually goes back to the question that we had at the beginning, and making that decision of just simply exploring what it actually like, actually, would costs, actually would look like, you know, my brother went to Belize with his wife when they did their honeymoon. And I thought, “That’s amazing. I want to go to Belize.” I’ve never even thought about going to Belize, and I didn’t know that he thought about going to Belize, but they just looked into it and sure enough, they were able to make it happen and what an incredible opportunity.

Lesley Logan
Yeah, and I I think you know I want it, I love that you took it back to the question. I really want people to be a part of being it till you see it is not waiting until it happens to do it. Like part of being it till you see it is is thinking about that dream trip as if it is happening and taking steps and tuning your eyes and ears to seeing possibilities for that trip to happen. (Brad: Yeah) And because that’s what they do, we’ve talked about this before. So I think actually, his tip is actually such a be it till you see it thing. So I hope I hear takeaways on this because I would love to see pictures of you on your dream trip now.

Brad Crowell
I love it. My biggest takeaway is kind of two …

Lesley Logan
You really loved this episode.

Brad Crowell
It was great, this is really amazing. Give yourself permission. Okay, and then slow down and enjoy the experience. Okay, so with the permission, regardless of how I think especially, I was talking about those two different mindsets of travel, you either have like 800 things you need to do, what? Or you’re like, I don’t want to do anything, leave me alone. Give yourself permission for your trip to change. Okay for you not to do 800 things, for you not to just sit alone by yourself. What if it did, you know something cool could come along, or you meet another guest and they say, “Hey, we’re gonna go have dinner down there on the beach, along the beach? Do you want to come with us?” Or, “Hey, we’re gonna walk across town, just something fun to explore.”

Lesley Logan
I love this. I actually went … I went to a soccer game, you know I don’t like soccer. But I went in Brazil, because like they’re so big on soccer. So I went to one of their professional things. And I was in this was a tour group that was put together. But I met this couple and I said, “Oh, what are you guys doing for dinner tonight?” And they said, “Oh, we’re gonna go to one of those places where they serve food. And there’s music. It’s they have bossa nova.” And I said, “Oh, okay, I’ll meet you.” So I ended up like, I took one plan thing, and I allowed it to create curiosity on the rest of the trip. And it was so much fun to do it that way. I would never have taken myself to that bossa nova and then I would have missed out on all the things that I learned there. So I do think it’s (Brad: I love it.) important to do that. And we had done this. Remember when we found that that farm that had like the bikes and like, we had found that bison stuff and like we’ve had some meats, because we’re just driving, we’re like, “Oh, what’s this over here? Let’s take a pause on this drive. And like, go do that.” And we found this coffee shop (Brad: Where we?) It was Colorado. (Brad: Oh, oh I was … Cambodia.) And we found we found this (Brad: Yeah) coffee shop. And then you guys here’s what’s so crazy. Two years later, we’re on this drive. And we left me severity, just need coffee. And we’re driving like, Oh, I saw I saw the meet play signs. And I was like, “There’s a coffee shop nearby.” And he’s like, there is like, we are next to it. It’s right over here.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Also, too, you know, I think that we become, you know, we become trapped by our preconceived notion of our, of what our experience is supposed to be. Okay, and very short story. But my, my brother, and I got lost in Maui. (Lesley: Oh, yeah …) But you know, I’m not going to tell the whole thing but short story, we were in a national park and we stepped off the path and we got lost in the jungle. And five hours later, we find our way back. Now, here’s a lot of fear there for me and my brother, also from my parents and my family. Right. But my, my, some of the people in my family were so angry at us, because we made them miss another waterfall that was on the checklist of the itinerary on fucking trip. And I was like, “Okay, I’m alive. I’m glad I’m alive. B) definitely made a mistake. Didn’t mean to do that. But really a waterfall that like you’re angry because we miss the waterfall. Like, I get it. I want to see this stuff, too. But what if instead, the trip had changed, and something else really amazing happened?” Right? And I think that, you know, I think that we allow ourselves to get bent out of shape, as in that kind of moment. And instead of experiencing where we’re at, and being present, and enjoying what’s in front of us, we’re like, “Damn it, I didn’t get to this thing that was on my list. I missed this specific restaurant … whatever.” And, you know, that’s like …

Lesley Logan
Do you know how many times… Japan, we’ve had amazing … times.

Brad Crowell
We still haven’t been a damn fish market.

Lesley Logan
And we have been to the fish market, nor have we been to the one sushi guy. And we keep trying. (Brad: Yeah) But we have never said, “Damn, we didn’t go to the fish market.” Like we just like …

Brad Crowell
I guess I’ll just go home now. (Lesley: I guess … go home.) No, it’s like, “Well, what are we going to do instead?”

Lesley Logan
Yeah, we did. We found some …. We did some really … (Brad: Amazing stuff) We found that one amazing shopping area with great restaurants. (Brad: Oh yeah) We found the cherry blossoms there and like, you know we would have missed that.

Brad Crowell
We found a little hole on the wall sushi bar next to the fishing market.

Lesley Logan
… Oh that guy was great. (Brad: Yeah) Yeah. And we would never and he had so much fun hearing about us and sharing about his restaurant and (Brad: Yeah) his family and like, we would not have gotten that the fish market. No. So anyways, y’all get Rolf’s book if you have not experienced travel like this if you’re like, “This all sounds too foreign to me.” Good. Go get his book, read a page a day. If you want to be like Brad has her book kill… Brad because her book club around the first book. (Brad: Oh geeze.) I know he’s like, “No, don’t do that. I’m already doing the Pomodoro method from last week.” Anyways, how are you gonna use these tips in your life? I want to know. I’m Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell
And I’m Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It’s really amazing. I can’t believe this is episode 152. We couldn’t do this without you.

Brad Crowell
Yeah. Big thanks to Rolf.

Lesley Logan
Yes and to Rolf for writing some amazing books because of this amazing conversation. Make sure that you DM, DM your questions and your bold moments to the @be_it_pod on Instagram. We are on all the things, we’re on the YouTube, we’re on the TikTok. So wherever you enjoy watching or listening to podcasts or following and engaging with us, we want to do that with you there. And until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Brad Crowell
Bye for now.

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Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

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Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘As The Crows Fly Media’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, produced, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell. Our Associate Producer is Amanda Frattarelli.

Lesley Logan
Kevin Perez at Disenyo handles all of our audio editing.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to our designer Jaira Mandal for creating all of our visuals (which you can’t see because this is a podcast) and our digital producer, Jay Pedroso for editing all video each week so you can.

Brad Crowell
And to Angelina Herico for transcribing each of our episodes so you can find them on our website. And, finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.