Lesley Logan: What a dream to work at a company where HR is actually like, valued. Like, it’s almost like the Venn diagram of the company’s needs, and the employees needs. And the human HR is like in the middle going, hey, how do we make sure everyone gets happy? So the job gets done?

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Lesley Logan
Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I’m Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I’ve trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it’s the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring Bold, Executable, Intrinsic and Targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It’s a practice, not a perfect. Let’s get started.

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Lesley Logan
Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the people centric convo I had with Ryan-May McAvoy in our last episode. If you haven’t yet listen to that interview, feel free to pause this now, go back and listen that one, and then come back and join us. Who would have thought that a conversation with the head of HR could have been so fun?

Brad Crowell 0:31
She’s a riot.

Lesley Logan 0:32
Try it.

Brad Crowell 0:32
Yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:33
It’s like, ah, I mean, like, she came totally like, I love the person who referred her, so, like, I’m in. Many of our listeners actually work for a company. Not everyone is meant to be like someone who like, you know, works for themselves. And she feels like an entrepreneur because she, like, has so many great ideas. And she’s like, how do I take these amazing ideas, and then make it work with a company, but also like, I just really loved the permission she gave to anyone listening like a will help you whether you work for yourself, or you work for someone else. I just, I went way long, and I’m okay with that.

Brad Crowell 1:05
It was a good interview. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 1:08
Today is June 22. If you’re listening in real time, which is World Rainforest Day. I just want to like take a little brief side journey in the scenic route. It’s also like National Kissing Day. And last week was like sneak a kiss day and I’m not sure who’s making the days but like, apparently June is all about kissing. It’s also pride month. So like we didn’t actually announce at the end the month but I just wanna say Pride Month is going on. And I saw this amazing meme that says “Pride Month. I hope all the people who are homophobic have a super uncomfortable month.” And I’m like, Yes, I hope you have a super uncomfortable one. Happy Pride Month. But also world rainforest day is as important as pride month because you guys the rainforests are why we get to breathe air. It’s true. Whether or not you live near rainforest, you rely on the rainforest. So please do your share, to rock your life so that the rain forest can rock yours. So…

Brad Crowell 1:59
Yeah, I think I was just looking at the statistics. The you know, with deforestation happening down in Brazil, it’s really changing the dynamic of air quality around the world. Yeah, it’s kind of insane. And I don’t know why that’s not seen as as like an important priority.

Lesley Logan 2:26
Maybe outside the US people are talking about a lot. But like, I just know that what I’ve heard from the stuff that we like you and I have dove deep into, it’s like, people are trying to get, you know, Brazil’s government to like take care of its rainforest. And I don’t know what the new person is doing. So I don’t want to knock that person but the person before was a bit of a dick. And some shady fires were happening that. Oh, well, now we get to farm here. So at any rate, like Brazil, I love you. I love visiting you. I think it’s amazing. You’re also not the only rainforests. So I don’t

Brad Crowell 2:59
They’re just the largest. And I wonder, since it’s obviously like, an international resource. Like and their argument is like, you know, we need to do industrial stuff. I wonder if like we could buy their non-destruction of the rainforests?

Lesley Logan 3:18
I don’t know. That’s an interesting question. We’re not that podcast, though. So I’m gonna say like, y’all…

Brad Crowell 3:26
This has been something that’s been on my mind since I was in fourth grade.

Lesley Logan 3:29
Brad has had this on his mind for a long time. So here is the thing, this is where you have to like pick and choose your thing that you’re gonna dive into. And so you know, there’s a million problems, at least on this planet, pick the problem that you’re most dedicated to donate your money to that and, and you know, and then make people aware of this amazing day. And maybe they’ll donate to this too. Anyways, wellbeing for state take care of the rainforest near you. And so also we are about to do a really fun, virtual OPC event with our OPC teachers with myself with some contributors. If you are into Pilates, you love to nerd out about Pilates, you want to do it online, then July is your best chance to do that with us. And so you want to go to opc.me/event. Speaking of July, we will actually be in the UK with an amazing business workshop and Pilates workshop. And at this point, probably will have opened up the doors for the few single ticket ala carte workshops you can buy. So you’ll want to go to opc.me/uk to check out those options. Brad is going to join me, he’s teaching the business workshops with me.

Brad Crowell 4:42
I’m excited about that, it’s going to be a lot of fun!

Lesley Logan 4:44
So excited. They’re gonna love your accent. August, this summer tour, our West Coast tour, Hello, West Coast best coast. We’re coming up your alley and we are going all the way to the top. So make sure you go to opc.me/tour to get all the information. And hello Poland. Hi, Poland, hello Europe. Basically, if you don’t want to join me in the UK, then you need to join me in Poland. And by the way, the workshops are totally different. So you, you could do both. And it’s going to be a lot of fun. It’s my first time in Poland in over four years and we have the Contrology Conference, go to contrologypilatesconference.com to get your spot, there are limited spots available. And then October we will be in Cambodia. And it’s lesleylogan.com/retreat for the retreat info because I’m really, I’m just so stoked. I’m so excited. I cannot wait to get back there. I gotta be honest, I love shay shui, but I was like, should we get flown to Cambodia instead? You know, like, I get to see the rest of the world too. But like, I miss going there several times a year, so I cannot wait to be there on this retreat, and then I get to hang out longer. So I’m super excited about that. Anyways. Yeah, before we dive into Ryan, we have an audience question to respond to.

Brad Crowell 5:54
We do. This is from Megan (…). And she said, Hi, a while ago, I remember the link for the red light LL uses being in the show notes, but I couldn’t find which episode that was in. It’s the most beautiful red light I’ve ever seen. And if I’m going to relax and stare at a light, I feel like it should look beautiful. I was thinking of adding it to my wish list. Do you know the name of that company?

Lesley Logan 6:16
I love this you guys, you can ask us any question you want. And this question is not even a long answer some super like, love. Ah, you should look beautiful in your red light and your light to everything you own can look beautiful, you do not have to have ugly red lights. So I do love this red light and you can go to beitpod.com/saunaspace. So sauna like a hot sauna space. And that will take you to the red light company that I got my red light from and I use it pretty much everyday we’re in this house. Yep, she does. And when Brad is like, I don’t know, like, you should sit in front of the red light.

Brad Crowell 6:56
It’s very calming. It also like helps with skin rejuvenation. They use it a lot for recovery for injuries and stuff for like, you know, skin injuries and stuff.

Lesley Logan 7:05
It’s why we don’t look like we’re 40 When we are.

Brad Crowell 7:07
Yeah, so it’s great for your face.

Lesley Logan 7:10
I mean, there’s a bunch of other awesome stuff with it. I just I love how I feel when I’m done.

Brad Crowell 7:15
Yeah. And also like helps with your mind. You know, there’s a lot of interesting stuff.

Lesley Logan 7:20
Yeah, sometimes I play video games in front of it. And I don’t even meditate. I just sit there and I’m like, this is what I want to do right now. But I’ll be honest, like it has saved me from days where I feel like I just want to, which is actually gonna go into like this whole conversation we’re about to have about Ryan, like, I just want to quit myself. Oh, can’t do that. Well, I’ll better turn this light on. And like 20 minutes later, I’m like, you know, it’d be really amazing. Let’s do these five things. It’s like, oh, it’s like, whoa, we just switched, we literally flipped a switch. So

Brad Crowell 7:48
Yeah, it’s super calming. So if you’re working in a stressful space, or you have a lot of stress in your world, getting a red light, you know, can actually be really beneficial for you and also like your mindset. So we are big fans of the one that we have called from sauna space. So go to beitpod.com/saunaspace.

Lesley Logan 8:09
Yeah. And also Amy Ledin, who is Episode Five, Episode Seven, Episode Five, she actually has one of their setups as well. She is recovering. Like she’s always in recovery of the cancer that she’s had. Because it’s come back a couple of times and so she every single day stands in front of her whole red light setup from them so there’s a couple of different options you have.

Brad Crowell 8:31
Episode Five. I’m impressed.

Lesley Logan 8:39
Every time we do this, guys, you have to, I wish you could see it, like, if you’re watching me on YouTube you can but like I literally say a number and then Brad Google’s to see if I was right and then he’s always like, I’m if I’m ever wrong. I’m like, either an inverted number off or one off. I’m like so close. It’s never, like, wow, (…) 100 episodes off. Anyways, Megan, put it on your wish list. Get this for yourself. It is awesome. And you will use it at this point. It cost me no money because I’ve always, I’ve used it every day. So anyways, you can send in your questions to the Be It Pod. I actually don’t know where the email is. So just you know, DMS on Instagram or they’ll put it in the show notes, I’m sure.

Brad Crowell 9:20
Yeah, just sign up for the weekly newsletter and there’s a link in there. Yeah.

Okay, now let’s talk about Ryan-Mae McAvoy.

Lesley Logan 9:42
What a name!

Brad Crowell 9:43
It’s great name. I always get confused if it’s MacAvoy or McAvoy because there’s not an AC or this still pronounced exactly the same.

Lesley Logan 9:55
It’s a great question for her. You should ask it when I interviewed her.

Brad Crowell 10:00
Can you confirm it’s Ryan-Mae.

Yeah, it’s Ryan-Mae.

Yeah, I know, but you never mentioned her last name during the interview, it’s like, Okay, that’s all right. With a diverse HR background, she offers a fresh perspective on human resources but recognizing the untapped potential in corporate environments, she is dedicated to driving positive change from the inside out striving to cultivate a workplace where employees are valued, supported and inspired to reach their full potential. So first thing before we even jump into our ideas on like, what we liked about the conversation, I just thought it was great to define HR. And this was the first time that I used

Lesley Logan 10:45
I used to go Oh, my God, HR is coming, HR is calling, fuck my life.

Brad Crowell 10:49
Right? Yeah, it’s like, it’s, I be in fucking SVU. Like, you know, the internal, you know, like, they’re coming to get you. Internal Affairs. No, HR, the way she defines HR is that it’s human operations. So anything that has to do with the humans in the company, and the operating like, operations around them. So, you know, she’s talking about, obviously, like, the insurance side of things, and all the paperwork and all that kind of stuff, but also like, the mental well being. And she gave a couple of examples that I’m drawing a blank out at the moment, but I thought it was like, Oh, that’s a different way to think about, you know, there should be somebody in the company, who is looking after the well being of the people in the company.

Lesley Logan 11:40
I, because the the first corporation that I was at didn’t have HR, like the CFO was kind of like, also acted as HR. And so we didn’t really have an HR, like, if I wanted to complain about my boss, it was to my boss, so super fun. Doesn’t work. And then, and then, when I worked for a high end fitness company, there was HR, but like, man, it was like, you talk to them, like, I have to write this person up. That’s not good enough, right? (…) You haven’t read them up every time like, and like, but since I’ve left, I’ve since heard that they have like, they have opportunities for life coaching, they’ve added in some amazing resources, it’s very much more human centric. So when Ryan describe this, like I, oh, my God, what a dream to work at a company where HR is actually like, valued. Like, it’s almost like the Venn diagram of the company’s needs, and the employees needs. And the human HR is like in the middle going, hey, how do we make sure everyone gets happy? So the job gets done? And I just thought, I just really enjoyed her, like, how fun is she? I don’t even want to work for a SaaS company. And I actually don’t even know what they do. But I want I would like her to be my HR person.

Brad Crowell 12:56
Yeah, well, after listening to her talk about how, like her approached HR, and how it’s incorporated in their company, it actually reminded me a lot of our friend Eddie, because he actually, in his role, like he works for a security company. So it’s a lot of, you know, men in, like, private security, where they’re taken care of super high profile people. It’s like, militant, you know, where the, it’s effectively like police, but like, private, like privatized, and, you know, so all of the expectations that you might have around that idea, and his role in the company is to make sure that the people are able to function as human beings, you know, and so he goes around, and he, you know, can, he has the authority to give someone a week off if they need it, like, whatever it might be, or, you know, take someone out to lunch or whatever, and dig in and have these conversations, but I never actually, I always thought like, wow, what an epic role to play in a company, but I never thought about it as HR. And so actually, I think it might be aligned with HR.

Lesley Logan 14:11
Yeah, well, I’m gonna dive into what I love. She talked about your relationship with yourself being it’s the most permanent relationship to have. And so going back to the red light, it’s like, sometimes I just wanna get the fuck away from myself. I’m like, I’m annoyed. I’m annoying myself. I am, but I can’t leave me as far as this lifetime is a concern. So she said, it’s really powerful, they’ll walk away and like, and she talked about, like, so being the most permanent means that you’re not like, you’re not stuck. You’re not concrete. You’re not stuck as who you are, but you don’t get to leave you so. So you really do need to take time to get to know yourself and she is really focused on self-improvement, like making sure that every year she focuses on like, acknowledging what’s going on and learning about how her wasn’t her best self, what were her mistakes and then building up the good stuff and like acknowledging what the good stuff is like, the other day I was teaching my eLevate group and someone goes, I don’t want to say like, I know that sounds really weird, but I want to say I’m so proud of myself. And I’m like, it should not be weird to say, I’m so fucking proud of myself. Like, it should be like, seen as like a Hurrah. Like, that’s amazing, right? So I just love that she actually brought up like, getting to know yourself and being like, in this, really being amazing with the relationship with yourself as being awesome. And being it should be a priority. And you know, when you work for someone, or you maybe work for yourself, like sometimes you and I both at separate times, like I’m gonna get the hell out of here. Like I, I am not serving anybody in this moment. Like I need to go away. And it should not be like a strike on your amazingness at the job that you’re at, it should be seen as like, okay, way to acknowledge that you aren’t titrating right now you are not showing up in this amazing thing. And like, you need to go take yourself away. So you can like love, like, figure out what you need right now, what you need to like, take care of yourself right now. Titrate. This is what Brad’s looking at right now. So titrate is like, do I need a walk right now? Do I need to take on more responsibility right now? Do I need to take on less responsibility right now? Here’s how I’m going to use it in a sentence, because that’s what everyone’s gonna want to have. So I have these ag one, vitamin D drops. And I can put in a drop, or I can titrate and put in more drop, I can give myself more drops? Should I feel like I need them? It’s called titrating. It’s like, it’s like a

Brad Crowell 16:40
it’s a science word for sure because there’s not a single definition that talks about it in the way you are. Although there’s a parallel.

Lesley Logan 16:48
Yeah, no, I learned it at my breath work. And I also learned it from AG1 when they’re like titrate, between one and five drops. So like it is a word people use, it’s like a measurement.

Brad Crowell 16:55
It says to ascertain the amount of a constituent in a solution by measuring the volume of a known concentration of reagent required to complete a reaction with it.

Lesley Logan 17:12
AKA, acknowledge if you need more or less time in the space that you’re in, and go get yourself what you need (…)

Brad Crowell 17:20
Yeah, so it looks like the sample is titrated at a pH near 10. With EDTA solution. (…) Oh, it is it is totally because the sample is titrated. You know, so it’s hydrated, meaning it’s, it’s diluted, or it’s you know, there’s something that’s being added into the thing. Yeah. So in this instance, you know, you were talking about

Lesley Logan 17:43
giving yourself more or less of other things, so you can become the best version of yourself.

Brad Crowell 17:48
you know, you’re inserting something into the middle of the thing. Like taking a breather.

Lesley Logan 17:53
The best the best word I could have used. I love that. In this example is great. Thank you. Yeah. What did you love?

Brad Crowell 18:02
Okay, so she said to speak your truth. vocalize what you’re not comfortable with. And I think that it’s, especially in the corporate environment, it’s easy to get, you know, like the, the tomatoes thrown to the person who stands up above the crowd, or the things everyone’s to be Daisy, all that stuff. You know, and I mean, I worked in a very volatile environment where you just kept your fucking mouth shut.

Lesley Logan 18:29
Your environment stressed me out, and I wasn’t in there.

Brad Crowell 18:31
Yeah. Because if you, you know, and unless it was like, you know, that it was very infrequent that someone would ever push back because it was not really welcomed. And it just created stress. And that stress was never fun. So, but she said, you need to, it’s important to, you know? She said, we need to speak up inside corporate walls to create change because there are misconceptions about HR, that they only care about the company. And she said, it’s not true, because she’s also an employee of the same company. So like, how can the employee of the company be only for the company and not for the employees who wouldn’t be for herself? Right? So that’s like the weirdness.

Lesley Logan 19:23
I think that’s like such a great like comeback to people who are like have a neg on HR, it’s like, okay, but then I would literally be doing a disservice to my own self.

Brad Crowell 19:33
Right. So obviously, you know, there’s an ulterior motive because if she makes rules that don’t make sense, then they’re not gonna make sense for her either. So anyway, she said there’s a human element what they do, and they deal with difficult situations, such as layoffs, terminations, performance issues, etc. But people don’t get to those points without there being like, things along the way that will take them to the point of a layoff, termination or performance issue. And she said she can’t solve problems that she doesn’t know about. And so it’s so important as a person who’s working in an organization that has HR to go and speak to HR and say the things that need to be said, you know, and it’s not a bitch best, but like, it’s a, you know, again, just like we were talking about a week ago, with, you know, relationships, it’s communication that’s going to allow the easing of tension, the easing of stress. And what’s really lovely about having someone who’s in HR is that, you know, that you can schedule a meeting with them, and you can sit down and have a conversation about something that is bothering you.

Lesley Logan 20:42
Oh, my goodness, you know, what the last company I worked for, outside of a courtroom, because I got subpoenaed. I was not working for them anymore. But I got subpoenaed, I had to go in. And I was sitting out there waiting to be my witness self. Trust me, I tried to get out of it. And the person who sat down next to me was the head of HR for the West Coast. And I was like, your job, just, I’ve just, like, felt like it fucking sucks. He’s like, Well, this is not the highest point of my job (…) I was just like, can you just lose my number, like, just please do not call me in for this ever again. But I saw him as a human, I think for the first time ever. And I remember thinking, gosh, I wonder how my job would have been different if I had seen him as a human being? (…) I think I probably wouldn’t use them in a different way. I think I probably would have stuck up a navigator for myself in a different way. And like, that’s not his fault. Like, I had this like negative look on HR. And maybe like, it’s part like, maybe we’ll both take responsibility, like, he could have explained how he could have saved like, saved my ass some time. So that would have beeen nice. But I also like, when it comes to laying people off, just so you all know who are employees. It fucking sucks for the employer too. It costs so much money to hire train someone. It is way, way cheaper to have an employee who’s with you for a really long time.

Brad Crowell 22:15
And well, I mean, aside from that, and yes, of course, the financial side of it. The reality is that when you build relationships with team, so, you know, like, the dynamic of the whole team is gonna change. And, you know, especially if you like the person that you have to let go, like, that sucks.

Lesley Logan 22:33
Yeah, like sometimes you’re letting someone go, not because they’re an idiot, or a bad human being, it’s like, this is not the right role for you.

Brad Crowell 22:41
Or, I mean, it could be like, we know, we tried this initiative, and we’re not gonna do it anymore.

Lesley Logan 22:49
Do you, like, our friend Michael, we were like getting on a podcast with him. And he’s like, Oh, hold on. I just had to fire someone. Let me take a moment. And we were like, Oh, no problem. I’ve been there before. And he’s like, my whole goal is that I like people know that they’re getting fired like they should. It should not be a surprise, you know, and like. So typically, if your HR, your company or your boss has been doing their job, they’ve been getting feedback along the way. It’s not a surprise. It should not be a surprise, but it’s so sorry. This isn’t working out. No, it still sucks. It still stings. It’s so awful. But but you know, I just Ryan, love you. I wish I could have you on my HR team. I wish I could have an HR team. I think she offered her services and elecard. We’ll get there. We’ll get up, we’ll get Ryan someday because she is not Ryan dreams like you are the standard. You are the I Want To Know Your Strength Finders and all the things you can write a description for the person that I’m hiring. Anyways, yeah, I loved it. It’s so good. Let’s do the Be It Action Items.

Brad Crowell 23:54
Yeah, we’ll be right back

All right. Now let’s talk about those Be It action items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Ryan-Mae McAvoy. Do not label yourself as just one thing. She was talking about being a multifaceted human being. We’re not robots, we aren’t only doing the thing that we do at work all day long. No matter what your employer may want. You know, she said serve the version of you at the moment that serves you best. So, for example, she said, yeah, during the day at my job, I’m Ryan-Mae, the HR person, but I’m also you know, a wife. I’m also a cat lady. And I love Netflix with some mac and cheese.

Lesley Logan 25:02
We have gluten free dairy free mac and cheese.

Brad Crowell 25:04
Like it’s amazing.

She said it’s the seed of the garden to being more than just your job.

Lesley Logan 25:15
Yeah, I think that’s beautiful. Like, some people like they just like work themselves. 24/7 because they think that that’s going to make them better at the job. But really, it’s like your multifaceted self that makes you bet the best at the job.

Brad Crowell 25:29
Yeah, it’s it’s very weird. I’m, I like fall straight into this trap. You know, for me, it’s like, if I could work on the thing, 24/7 that I think that it’s going to be, you know, I’m gonna move the ball forward or something like that.

Lesley Logan 25:42
I love that I caught you watch a superhero movie on your lunch break today. I think that’s great. I think it like you need those pauses, you need to have any interest because it allows you to draw inspiration in different ways. And also like, you’re not a fucking robot. You’re a human being.

Brad Crowell 26:00
It was also the weekend and we were working all weekend. But I did. I know I’m out this week. And that’s why I was doing it.

Lesley Logan 26:06
Yes, a little asterisks, hold on one second, one little moment. We do not work all weekend every weekend. Particular work weekend was a planned work weekend because of vacations prior to and after. Yeah. So there we go. Okay. Go back to your point.

Brad Crowell 26:23
I don’t think they’re judging us. It’s okay.

Lesley Logan 26:25
No, I just think it’s important for people to actually understand that, like you, it’s part of you. We plan these things in so you (…)

Brad Crowell 26:33
We work because we work for ourselves. You know, we and we want you know, y’all know, we went to Korea, we tagged on the because we were already over there was like, well, let’s go take four days and actually take a break.

Lesley Logan 26:46
And it ended up being six days.

Brad Crowell 26:48
Well, right (…) The island of Jeju was was we were there for four days. Yeah. So the point is, we actually weren’t working then, which would have been during the week. And so yeah, this week, and we’re home. So like, Alright, let’s do this.

Lesley Logan 27:03
Let’s get some stuff done. So break and go camping. Yeah. So I do love that Be It action item. I thought that was really great.

Brad Crowell 27:11
So, I mean on that, what was your biggest takeaway?

Lesley Logan 27:13
So she said, acknowledge and honor, even the bad parts, and I actually like, like, bad and air quotes, because she’s like, acknowledged what these are, and learn what these parts are about ourselves that we’re not gonna love. And then the more you deny the layers of yourself, that’s what she said, the more you deny the layers of yourself, you become less authentic, in each version, and you can also become easily consumed. So she let her job consume her because, like she wanted to be liked. And so where there’s a lot of work to be done, like, there’s easy reasons for this. And it’s like, you know, there are parts of ourselves that we’re not the most excited to share that we’re like, oh, God, people are gonna see this. But like, if you deny that part of yourself, or you hide it, or you like, whatever it is, it is easy to become more and more or less authentic.

Brad Crowell 28:01
I mean, even in the day to day, it’s not necessarily something you’re like permanently denying. If you’re having a shit day, it’s okay to know that you’re having a shit day.

Lesley Logan 28:11
And also, like, I acknowledge at this point, like, I am not like, I don’t like, I did not like who I was in one of the most recent finance means, I’m like, I don’t want to be here. I don’t like who I am. I want to go take a walk and I can’t leave this meeting. I’m not enjoying it. Is this meeting over? Okay, it’s done. Okay, thank you. Let’s all try to figure out, I gotta figure out how to like myself in this meeting. I love for us and making sure that this meeting can be more fun. So anyways, be who you need to be in that moment and accept that sometimes it’s not the best version of yourself. You know, that’s a good quotable. I hope our team put it on a card so we can share that shit because it is okay to not be 100% amazingly awesome all the time. You can titrate and be the best version of yourself that you can be in that moment.

Brad Crowell 29:20
You can titrate

Lesley Logan 29:25
Ryan-Mae thanks for being the bestest. So excited. You guys. We actually have another HR person coming up in the lineup, and it’s a whole different topic. And I got to connect the two of them and I’m like, sick. I’m like, okay, but hold on. Did you chat what’s going on? Like, I’m really excited about it. Because it’s a whole it’s a whole new topics all about grief, which I’m super stoked about. So thank you, Ryan for setting the stage for what HR could look like in this world. Thank you for being amazing. Keep us posted on everything you’re doing. Everyone else, How are you when you use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag the Be It pod, tag Ryan-Mae, she’s like huge on LinkedIn. So, you know, head over there. Until next time, Be It Till You See It.

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Lesley Logan
That’s all I’ve got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate this show and leave a review. And, follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over on IG at the @be_it_pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us help others to BE IT TILL YOU SEE IT. Have an awesome day!

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Lesley Logan
‘Be It Till You See It’ is a production of ‘Bloom Podcast Network’.

Brad Crowell
It’s written, filmed and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan
It is produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.

Brad Crowell
Our theme music is by Ali at APEX Production Music. And our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan
Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals and Ximena Velasquez for our transcriptions.

Brad Crowell
Also to Angelina Herico for adding all the content to our website. And finally to Meridith Crowell for keeping us all on point and on time.